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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei anaptyxqei oloklhrh filologia, oti diafora ejwpolitika kentra kinoyntai esxatws gia thn apostaqeropoihsh ths kybernhshs, metaxeirizomena, endexomenws kai eswterikes dynameis toy PASOK. Qa qelame thn apoch sas, th qesh ths kybernhshs kai ean yparxei pragmatikh bash sto qema ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ti qeloyn oi alloi. To qema einai ti prepei na kanoyme emeis. Eimaste kybernhsh dhmokratika eklegmenh. Kybernhsh poy yposthrizetai apo ton ellhniko lao. Kybernhsh poy proxwra me ena sygkekrimeno ergo. Ayto to ergo qa prowqhsoyme. Qa kinhqoyme mazi me ton ellhniko lao pros thn kateyqynsh ylopoihshs twn programmatikwn desmeysewn mas. Kai qa kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao.

IWANNOY: Xqes, o k. Xrysanqakopoylos eipe arketes fores oti o idios aisqanetai boyleyths toy PASOK, oti einai PASOK kai qa parameinei se ayto ton xwro. Wstoso, prosdiorise oti den qa perimenei, gia para poly megalo xroniko diasthma, to pws qa kinhqei to komma. Qa hqela na moy peite ean to PASOK prosanatolizetai sthn kateyqynsh na epanentajei stoys kolpoys toy ton k. Xrysanqakopoylo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti, xqes, estalh epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Proedro ths Boylhs, h opoia anegnwsqh sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio.

IWANNOY: Den yparxei tetoio endexomeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epistolh eixe anakoinwqei thn Paraskeyh kai xqes estalh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayta einai ta gegonota kai nomizw oti miloyn apo mona toys.

TAKHS: Na kanw to akribws antiqeto erwthma, k. Ypoyrge. Epeidh, o k. Xrysanqakopoylos, milhse xqes gia stoes, gia synomwsies, gia anqrwpoys ths kybernhshs poy exoyn metoxes, bibliaria, poy ploytisan, ekanan biles k.a., mhpws ejetazei to PASOK to endexomeno na ton diagracei kai apo to komma, opws zhthse, emmesws plhn safws, o k. Pagkalos, xqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai qema poy prepei na krinei to idio to PASOK kai den mporw na topoqethqw ep` aytoy. Apo kei kai pera, synhqizw na topoqetoymai se sygkekrimena qemata.

KONTOPOYLOS: O k. Xrysanqakopoylos, omws, proseqese -``paramenontas'' melos toy PASOK- oti hrqe h ``wra toy G. Papandreoy''. O G. Papandreoy einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths kybernhshs. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Xrysanqakopoylos eipe thn proswpikh toy apoch, kai h apoch ayth den nomizw oti ephreazei to kybernhtiko ergo gia na th sxoliasw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Arxizoyme dialogo me thn Toyrkia gia to Aigaio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati einai sobaro to qema, alla oxi oti arxizoyme ef` olhs ths ylhs dialogo me thn Toyrkia, opws biasthke na "diapistwsei" o k. Paylopoylos, se shmerinh topoqethsh toy, se radiofwniko staqmo. Ektos, ean einai mia prospaqeia ths N.D. na dhmioyrghsei qema ekei poy den yparxei. H kybernhsh xeirizetai me idiaitera ypeyqyno tropo ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Sas enhmerwsame kai xqes oti qa analhfqoyn prwtoboylies diereynhtikwn epafwn me thn toyrkikh pleyra gia ta qemata poy emeis anagnwrizoyme oti mas xwrizoyn. Ena tetoio qema -to mono poy yparxei sto Aigaio- einai ayto ths yfalokrhpidas. Ean, loipon, telikws, mesa apo tis diereynhtikes epafes -oi opoies qa jekinhsoyn se yphresiako epipedo, alla kata kairoys qa ginontai kai synanthseis twn k. Papandreoy kai Tzem- diapistwqei oti yparxei dynatothta na syntaxqei to synyposxetiko kai na pame gia oristikh dieyqethsh toy qematos ths yfalokrhpidas sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, opws akribws problepei kai h apofash toy Elsinki, qa einai mia ejelijh poy ejyphretei ta symferonta ths xwras kai qa dinei th dynatothta gia peraiterw prwtoboylies sta alla qemata. Ayto qa fanei, bebaiws, mesa sto epomeno diasthma. Emeis, me baqia pisth sthn yperaspish twn ellhnikwn symferontwn, qa paroyme tis anagkaies prwtoboylies gia th diereynhsh twn dynatothtwn poy odhgoyn se lyseis ta eqnika mas qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Diabazw se kybernhtikh efhmerida...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn kybernhtikes kai mh kybernhtikes efhmerides. Yparxoyn efhmerides, radiofwna kai thleoraseis kai einai ola sebasta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Diabazw: "Se dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs gia ta qemata toy Aigaioy, symfwnhse h ellhnikh pleyra". Einai alhqeia ayto; Pame se dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs h mono gia thn yfalokrhpida; Einai periodos twra, me parabiaseis kai parabaseis, na ginetai o dialogos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis kaqorizoyme ta pedia toy dialogoy. Emeis kaqorizoyme tis prwtoboylies mas kai to xrono poy prepei na analhfqoyn. Ayth th stigmh, exoyme petyxei na anoijei -kai malista na proxwrei me entatikoys ryqmoys- o dialogos gia to Kypriako. Na prowqeitai h diadikasia gia thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. Kai bebaiws, na exoyn anadyqei qemata poy syndeontai me thn ypoxrewsh ths Toyrkias na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, symfwna me tis apofaseis toy Elsinki. Menei akomh h ylopoihsh mias apofashs poy lhfqhke sto Elsinki kai dinei th dynatothta -an qelete xarazei mia kateyqynsh pros tis dyo xwres, sto qema ths yfalokrhpidas poy anagnwrizoyme ws diafora sto Aigaio- na ginei ena synyposxetiko kai na pame sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Gi` ayto to qema prepei na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies dialogoy, wste na diapistwqei ean pragmati ayto mporei na ginei. Den to jeroyme ayth th stigmh. Yparxoyn kapoies kat` arxhn dhlwseis toy k. Tzem, alla katalabainete oti apo tis dhlwseis, mexri th syntajh toy synyposxetikoy, xreiazetai mia oloklhrh proergasia. Ti prepei na kanei mia kybernhsh poy pragmati kineitai me ypeyqyno kai apotelesmatiko tropo ston krisimo tomea twn eqnikwn qematwn mas; Prepei na diereynhsei tis dynatothtes. Ayto akribws qa kanoyme. Prepei na synomilhsei gia na anadeixqoyn oi dynatothtes kai oi qeseis kai ths allhs pleyras. Efoson diapistwqei oti proxwroyme, symfwna me tis dikes mas apoceis, qa kanoyme kai tis sxetikes kinhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tzem den milhse mono gia thn yfalokrhpida, alla kai gia alla qemata, anoije kai alla qemata. Pws pate se dialogo, otan leei kai ta ypoloipa qemata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe pleyra exei dikaiwma na exei tis dikes ths apoceis. Den mporoyme na poyme emeis sthn toyrkikh pleyra poies apoceis qa exei. Exoyme, omws, kai emeis dikaiwma -kai to throyme panta me apolyth synepeia sthn politikh mas kai se o,ti exoyme pei ston ellhniko lao- na poyme ti anagnwrizoyme ws diafora sto Aigaio. Emeis, loipon, anagnwrizoyme oti yparxei qema orioqethshs ths yfalokrhpidas kai eimaste etoimoi na proxwrhsoyme sth syntajh toy synyposxetikoy gia na pame sth Xagh. Den qa dexqoyme syzhthsh se allo qema, anejarthta an oi alloi exoyn tis dikes toys apoceis. Ayto einai poly safes. Exoyme tis dikes mas qeseis kai tis yperaspizoyme me tropo poy na katalhgei yper twn eqnikwn qematwn, na ta anadeiknyei, na dhmioyrgei qetikoys oroys sth dieqnh koinothta kai na odhgei sth lysh toys.

SOYGLERHS: Na eikasw, meta apo ayto poy mas lete, oti thn ellhnikh pleyra th symferei, xronika qa elega, oi syzhthseis aytes na arxisoyn isws thn periodo qa exei thn Proedria sthn Koinothta; Einai etsi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anamfibola den einai etsi. Den exei na kanei mono me to qema ths Proedrias sthn E.E. Emas mas symferei na dinontai qetikes lyseis, eite doqoyn twra, eite ligo argotera. Qewroyme oti orismena apo ayta ta qemata exoyn wrimasei. H dieqnhs koinothta, gia paradeigma, einai me to meros mas, sthn prooptikh epilyshs toy Kypriakoy. Otan emeis paleyoyme gia ta eqnika mas qemata kai dhmioyrgoyme qetikes antilhceis sth dieqnh koinothta gi` ayta, tote prepei na synexizoyme tis prwtoboylies, wste na odhgoymaste se qetikes lyseis. Katanooyme oti yparxoyn panta eyaisqhsies kai tis sebomaste. Qelw, omws, na diabebaiwsw oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh xeirizetai ta eqnika qemata mas kata ton kalytero tropo kai me prwtoboylies poy mporei na odhghsoyn se qetikes lyseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oi dhlwseis Tzem einai safeis. O k. Tzem leei oti qa syzhthsoyme epi olwn twn qematwn. Se osa symfwnoyme qa ta synypogracoyme. Se osa den symfwnoyme qa ta odhghsoyme sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Ayta leei o Tzem. Ean emeis ta aporricoyme twra, arxikws einai swsth h qesh mas. Ean, omws, ta afhsoyme kai na proxwrhsoyme sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, shmainei oti apodexomaste oti pragmati yparxoyn kapoia alla qemata pros syzhthsh sto Aigaio. Kai ekei einai h pagida ths Toyrkias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sebomai pragmatika thn eyaisqhsia sas. Omws, na eiste bebaios oti oi xeirismoi ginontai me tropo poy ejyphretei apolyta ta eqnika symferonta mas. Qeloyme na diabebaiwsoyme ton ellhniko lao oti den yparxei kanenas ef` olhs ths ylhs dialogos gia to Aigaio. Exoyme tis apoceis mas kai qewroyme oti to periballon einai eynoiko. Bebaiws, kai h allh pleyra mporei na exei tis dikes ths apoceis, alla einai safes oti ekeino poy anagnwrizoyme ws diafora einai h orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas.

BITALHS: Akoysa, xqes kai shmera, analytika thn epixeirhmatologia mas. Einai arketa katanohth. Wstoso, ejakoloyqw na exw mia aporia. Akribws thn idia dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Tzem proxqes to brady, akribws ta idia logia eipwqhkan ligo meta thn krish sta Imia apo ton k. Gilmaz. Eipwqhkan, kat` epanalhch, sto parelqon. Ayto poy anarwtiemai einai to ejhs: Ti sas odhgei, apo th stigmh poy den exei epi ths oysias metablhqei h toyrkikh qesh, na xarakthrizete ws proodo thn teleytaia dhlwsh toy k. Tzem kai na ektimate oti shmera yparxei kati to qetiko gia na mporesoyme epiteloys na syzhthsoyme me thn allh pleyra, estw kai ena zhthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin apo ligo, eixame sxoliasei, kai malista me aysthro tropo, dhlwseis adiallajias, dhlwseis epiqetikes ths toyrkikhs pleyras, se baros ths xwras mas. Einai orath h diafora. Den shmainei oti fqasame se lysh. Ayto einai mia dyskolh ypoqesh. Miloyme gia mia poreia poy prepei na jekinhsei diereynhtika. Apo xqes exw dieykrinisei oti prokeitai gia diereynhtikes epafes. Den eipame oti exoyme fqasei se lysh. Gi` ayto to logo xreiazetai kai eqnikh omocyxia kai stash eyqynhs, alla kai idiaiterh prosoxh apo oles tis politikes dynameis. Dhlwseis san tis shmerines twn stelexwn ths N.D. den symballoyn.

FASOYLAS: Aytes oi diereynhtikes epafes metajy twn dyo xwrwn qa epikentrwqoyn apokleistika sto qema ths yfalokrhpidas h sto trapezi qa mpoyn kai alla qemata, as poyme xamhlh politikhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan jekina enas dialogos kai exeis diapistwsei oti yparxoyn kapoia qemata poy qeleis na ta syzhthseis, den einai kako na ta syzhtas. Den moy aresei h lejh "xamhlh", giati ola ta qemata exoyn th shmasia toys. An kati gia mas exei mikroterh shmasia, gia kapoioys alloys mporei na exei poly megalh shmasia. Yparxoyn kai qemata poy oloi apodexomaste oti prepei na syzhthqoyn. As mhn ta qewroyme xamhlhs politikhs. Einai poly shmantika. Kaqe ti poy bohqa tis sxeseis synergasias kai kalhs geitonias, kaqe ti poy bohqa na apoklimakwqei h entash, xwris bebaiws na qigei se tipota ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas, pisteyw oti einai idiaitera kalo.

FASOYLAS: Qa mporoysame na eikasoyme oti ena apo ta qemata, metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, einai kai to Oikoymeniko Patriarxeio, h Sxolh ths Xalkhs. Qa mporoysan tetoia qemata na mpoyn se enan tetoio dialogo;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei thn atzenta toy, poy proxwra me ikanopoihtiko tropo. Sas eipa sto qema toy Aigaioy poia einai h qesh mas. Bebaiws, yparxoyn kai alla qemata poy prepei na syzhthqoyn. H syzhthsh aytwn twn qematwn symballei sth dhmioyrgia enos kaloy klimatos epikoinwnias, synergasias kai apoklimakwshs ths entashs.

KAPPOS: Orqws epimenete oti o dialogos qa einai diereynhtikos, orqws epimenete oti to monadiko qema pros dieyqethsh einai ayto ths yfalokrhpidas. Ti nohma exoyn ola ayta, omws..;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milate mono gia to Aigaio.

KAPPOS: Nai. Ti nohma exoyn ola ayta otan einai pagia grammh twn ekastote Ellhnwn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, oi opoioi exoyn, kat epanalhch, pei oti opoiadhpote ajiwsh exei h Toyrkia sto Aigaio, na prosfygei sth Xagh. Dhladh, to katalhktiko shmeio toy dialogoy, to opoio qetei kai o k. Tzem, einai h piqanothta ths Xaghs. Exoyn proyparjei dhlwseis twn proistamenwn ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs, basei twn opoiwn gia opoiadhpote ajiwsh exei h Toyrkia h qewrei oti exei, as paei sth Xagh. Ayto einai to erwthmatiko moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hdh, exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas. Oi prohgoymenes apanthseis moy pisteyw oti sas kalyptoyn.

KAPPOS: Den nomizw oti me kalyptoyn. Paroysiazetai enas diaforetikos orizontas apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, o opoios leei oti ta panta mporei na pane sth Xagh. Ayto einai to erwthma moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi prohgoymenes apanthseis moy exoyn kalycei to erwthma sas. To synyposxetiko, an bebaiws syntaxqei, qa afora to qema ths yfalokrhpidas.

KAPPOS: H diafora einai -kai se ayto epimenw- oti exoyn proyparjei dhlwseis twn proistamenwn kai ...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oles oi dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei, kata kairoys, apo toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas, perilambanoyn ayta poy sas proanefera.

POYLIDOY: Prin merikes hmeres eixate sxoliasei oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn stis Bryjelles, qa paroysiasei prwtoboylia gia to qema toy eyrwstratoy. Qelw na rwthsw, an exete kati sygkekrimeno na mas peite gyrw apo ayth thn prwtoboylia kai, en pash periptwsei, ti antapokrish eixe ayth h protash, thn opoia ypoqetw ekane o k. Papandreoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: H syzhthsh gia to qema exei anoijei. Yphrjan oi prwtes epafes, toso me ton k. Solana, oso kai me ton k. Pike. Einai logiko oti h epilysh enos toso sobaroy qematos den prokyptei panta apo thn prwth syzhthsh, h opoia polles fores exei diereynhtiko xarakthra. Shmantiko einai oti h ispanikh Proedria katanohse oti prepei na symbalei kai ayth sthn prospaqeia ejeyreshs lyshs. Ara, einai logiko oti sto epomeno diasthma qa yparxoyn oles oi anagkaies diaboyleyseis, wste na epiteyxqei lysh sto qema ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H Toyrkia exei qesei ws ``aitia polemoy'' to endexomeno na epekteinei h Ellada ta xwrika ths ydata sta 12 milia, opws dikaioytai apo to Dieqnes Dikaio. H Toyrkia exei arei to @casus belli@ kai an oxi, pws pate se dialogo; Giati yphrxe mia proypoqesh apo toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn oti qa prepei h Toyrkia na aposyrei to @casus belli@ gia na proxwrhsei opoiadhpote proseggish.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milwntas qewrhtika -giati kaneis den mporei na gnwrizei se ayta ta poly lepta qemata poia qa einai h telikh katalhjh- fantazomai oti oloi katanoeite oti an lynotan to qema ths yfalokrhpidas me to sygkekrimeno tropo, qa eixame mia poly megalh apoklimakwsh ths entashs sthn perioxh. Pisteyw oti ayto to katanoeite.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sas rwthsa an h Toyrkia exei arei to @casus belli@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Katalabainete poly kala ti eipa.

Se ayto to shmeio, qelw na shmeiwsw sxetika me to qema twn agrotwn: Opws tonisa kai xqes h kybernhsh kataballei megales prospaqeies gia na antimetwpisei qetika ta problhmata twn agrotwn. Omws, kai pali xqes emfanisthke h diglwssia ths N.D. Thn idia wra poy apo xeilh stelexwn ths N.D. apokleiotan to ``kocimo'' ths Elladas sta dyo, alla stelexh toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs -einai xarakthristiko to paradeigma toy k. Xatzhgakh- yioqetoysan tis pio akraies lyseis. Qelw na epanalabw oti, epiteloys, to komma ths N.D. prepei na analabei tis eyqynes toy. Poia einai telika h apoch toy; Oti prepei na kopei h Ellada sta dyo h oxi, opws eipan alloi xqes, metajy twn opoiwn kai o k. Soyflias; Edw, exoyme mia diglwssia. Den einai h prwth fora poy diapistwnoyme oti einai pagia taktikh ths N.D. Kapote -kai elpizw na to kanei shmera- qa prepei na labei ypeyqynh qesh. Epishs, den pisteyw oti mporei kapoios na symfwnhsei, estw kai an orismenoi to antilambanontai ws epikoinwniako trik, na emfanizontai fwties, eite se mesa poy exoyn amesh sxesh me thn paragwgh toy agroth, opws ta trakter, eite sthn idia thn paragwgh, opws to bambaki. Proqesh mas -kai pisteyw qelhsh olwn twn Ellhnwn- einai na prostateysoyme toys agrotes kai thn perioysia toys. Me ta metra poy lambanoyme prostateyoyme kai toys agrotes kai thn perioysia toys. Ayto exei ginei eidika me to qema toy bambakioy. Epishmainw -den jerw ean kapoioi endiaferontai gia th fwtia- oti emeis endiaferomaste gia thn prostasia kai thn anodo toy biotikoy epipedoy twn agrotwn. Qa meinoyme staqeroi se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h kybernhsh qelei na kopei h Ellada sth mesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei Ellhnas poy na mhn katanoei oti prepei oyte h Ellada na kobetai sth mesh, oyte na parempodizetai h omalh oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh. Qelw, omws, na sas pw oti yparxoyn apoceis poy -opws fainetai- sto bwmo kapoioy mikrokommatikoy ofeloys den distazoyn se tipota. Den qelw na taytisw oloklhro to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs me aytes tis apoceis. Perimenoyme na apanthsei h N.D. kai na mas pei tis qeseis ths. Einai me thn apoch: Na mhn kopei h Ellada sta dyo h symfwnei me ekeinoys, oi opoioi piqanon gia logoys chfoqhrikoys h mikrokommatikoys, yioqetoyn tis pio akraies qeseis; Einai wra, ola ta politika kommata na staqoyn sta problhmata twn agrotwn me eyqynh, sebasmo kai synepeia. Emeis to kaname, to kanoyme kai qa to kanoyme. Kalo qa einai, omws, kapoioi na katalaboyn oti ayta ta sobara qemata den prosferontai gia mikrokommatikh ekmetalleysh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy h kybernhsh den qelei na kopei h Ellada sta dyo, tote giati den lynete ta problhmata twn agrotwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diabaza me idiaiterh prosoxh ta aithmata poy exoyn diatypwsei oi sygkekrimenoi syndikalistes poy drasthriopoioyntai stis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis kai emfanizontai sthn thleorash. Prepei na sas pw oti ta aithmata poy diatypwnoyn kai kata th gnwmh toys den exoyn antimetwpistei akoma, eite einai idiaitera makroproqesma -gi ayto eipa xqes oti prepei na doylecoyme mazi gia to mellon- eite proypoqetoyn thn apoxwrhsh mas apo thn E.E. h estw se prwth fash apo thn Koinh Agrotikh Politikh. Ayto qa htan katastrofiko gia ton idio ton Ellhna agroth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati den lynei ta problhmata twn agrotwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena wraio synqhma na akoygetai, alla se kamia periptwsh den mporei na ginei prajh. Se kapoioys piqanon na aresoyn oi fwties sto trakter, poy einai to meso toy Ellhna agroth h sto bambaki poy einai h paragwgh toy. Sthn kybernhsh aresei h prostasia toy bambakioy. H kybernhsh epidiwkei na exei kalo eisodhma o Ellhnas agroths gia na mporei na agorazei kai na xrhsimopoiei ta kalytera trakter. Aytes einai oi diafores twn dyo antilhcewn.

SOYGLERHS: Mhpws to epikoinwniako marketingk ths kybernhshs, tosa xronia, apenanti stoys agrotes den einai to katallhlo kai prepei na allajei ton tropo symperiforas kai na breqoyn lyseis; Giati eiste polla xronia sthn ejoysia kai dystyxws kaqe xrono tetoia epoxh oi agrotes briskontai stoys dromoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimaste apo monoi mas polla xronia sthn ejoysia. Kapoios mas eklegei. Qa hqela na to tonizw kaqe fora, dioti kapoioi to qewroyn fysiko fainomeno. Den einai fysiko fainomeno. Kapoioi fantazomai oti qa oneireyontai diaforetika. Panta sthrizomaste ston ellhniko lao. Me ayton proxwroyme kai mono. Apo kei kai pera, to qema twn agrotwn den einai epikoinwniako. H prosfora mas den einai epikoinwniakh, einai oysiastikh. Qa prepei na pw oti diafwnw me orismenes diapistwseis stelexwn ths N.D., oti meiwqhke to agrotiko eisodhma ta teleytaia xronia. Ta stoixeia poy exei to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, deixnoyn oti se polles periptwseis -kai qelw na to tonisw ayto- me ta metra poy pairnoyme kai thn prospaqeia poy oloi mazi kanoyme, exei ayjhqei shmantika to agrotiko eisodhma. Bebaiws, prepei na synexisoyme. Alla, prepei na synexisoyme oloi mazi me programmatismo gia to mellon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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