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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Eimai ypoxrewmenos na epanaferw ena qema poy teqhke xqes kai exei anastatwsei ton politiko kosmo ths Kyproy. Anaferomai sthn aparadekth prwtoboylia toy Amerikanoy Proedroy, ths amerikanikhs presbeias, na dhmioyrghsei neo ktirio sta katexomena kai malista na dwsei dejiwsh me tragoydia kai kalesmenoys Toyrkokyprioys politikoys kai ton Ntenktas. Ayth h qesh krybei poly megales epidiwjeis apo thn pleyra twn Amerikanwn. Foboymai, mhpws odhghqoyme se anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys kai einai ayto poy anhsyxei kai thn politikh hgesia ths Kyproy. Xqes, dwsate mia, qa elega, lith apanthsh. Dhladh, eipate oti symfwneite me ton k. Papapetroy. Qelw na paijei to rolo ths, se ayth thn periptwsh, kai h Ellada, wste na mh symboyn ta xeirotera, thn wra malista poy arxizei o dialogos se mia poly epikindynh kamph. Den mporei na menei ametoxh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmeiwnw me idiaitero endiaferon tis anhsyxies sas. Qelw, omws, na pw oti epeidh akribws einai poly eyaisqhth periodos kai exei arxisei hdh o dialogos, h kalyterh taktikh se aytes tis periptwseis, eidika gi` ayth thn periodo, einai na yparxei panta synennohsh kai na symbadizoyme me tis kinhseis ths kypriakhs kybernhshs. Epomenws, h plhrhs sthrijh poy dwsame stis kinhseis ths kypriakhs kybernhshs kai h taytish mas me tis dhlwseis toy k. Papapetroy, ayto ton tono erxetai na dwsei: Oti h Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei, hdh, kinhqei se ayth thn kateyqynsh poy eipate. Exei kanei, hdh, tis diamartyries ths. Ejefrase thn apoch oti oi prwtes ejhghseis poy phre den htan ikanopoihtikes. Qa synexisei ta diabhmata ths. H plhrhs sthrijh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ekfrasthke xqes kai einai dedomenh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Otan eipa oti qa prepei na paijei to rolo ths h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ennooysa to ejhs: Oti qa eprepe kai eseis sthn E.E., stis HPA, sth Megalh Bretania, poy einai oi "arxitektones" aytoy toy skhnikoy na paijete to rolo sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti, hdh, exoyme paijei to rolo mas kai qa ton synexisoyme. Dioti, se kaqe dieqnh epafh tiqetai qema Kypriakoy. Prosfata, stis synanthseis mas kai me ton Proedro Mpoys kai toys kyrioys Paoyel kai Ramsfelnt, alla kai me to G.G. toy OHE Kofi Anan, eteqh h anagkaiothta na enisxyqoyn oi prwtoboylies gia thn ejeyresh lyshs toy Kypriakoy. Zhthqhke na yparjoyn oi anagkaies parembaseis gia thn kamch ths toyrkikhs adiallajias. Na eiste bebaios oti se opoiadhpote dieqnh epafh ginetai, to qema tiqetai me ton pio apofasistiko kai entono tropo. Dioti, mas endiaferei na breqei lysh sto Kypriako. Me aformh ayto, epitrecte moy na pw oti kai oi dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy ypoyrgoy anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn kai armodioy gia kapoia eyrwpaika qemata k. Gkioylem poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas, symfwna me plhrofories, den einai se qetikh kateyqynsh. Epanaferoyn epoxes plhroys adiallajias. Ekeino poy qeloyme na epishmanoyme einai oti h adiallajia den prokeitai na wfelhsei thn Toyrkia. H adiallajia apodeixqhke oti thn odhghse se apomonwsh se mia seira qemata. Tetoies adiallaktes dhlwseis, poy deixnoyn na mhn katanooyn oti olh h dieqnhs koinothta qelei na breqei lysh sto Kypriako kai oti h Eyrwph sthrizei thn poreia entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E., mas gyrizoyn pisw. Den symbaloyn kai dhmioyrgoyn akomh megalytera problhmata, oxi mono gia thn perioxh, alla kai gia thn idia thn Toyrkia. Qa prepei h toyrkikh kybernhsh na parei to mhnyma twn kairwn, to mhnyma ths dieqnoys koinothtas kai na akoloyqhsei mia diaforetikh poreia, na exei mia diaforetikh stash.

FASOYLAS: Qa hqela na sxoliasei h Aqhna thn plhroforia poy eide xqes to fws ths dhmosiothtas, oti kapoioi eyrwboyleytes noikiazoyn sta katexomena biles, enanti toy geloioy posoy toy enos dolarioy to xrono, prokeimenoy na sthrizoyn tis qeseis toy ceydokratoys sto Eyrwkoinoboylio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na topoqethqw epi plhroforiwn, epeidh einai sobaro to qema ayto. Gnwrizete oti se aytes tis periptwseis xreiazontai kai onomata kai sygkekrimena stoixeia. As kanoyme, loipon, th sxetikh ereyna kai apo ekei kai pera, ean kati diapistwqei, qa kanoyme oles tis aparaithtes energeies.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Parola ayta, h kybernhsh skeftetai na energopoihsei to Symboylio Ejwterikhs Politikhs h qa synexisei na ferei thn eyqynh toy xeirismoy twn eqnikwn qematwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh gia to xeirismo twn eqnikwn qematwn. Gi` ayto, ejalloy, thn ejeleje o ellhnikos laos. Gnwrizete, omws, oti panta kai enhmerwnoyme kai lambanoyme ypoch tis apoceis poy ekfrazontai apo ta kommata. Gia paradeigma, otan gyrise apo tis HPA o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, phre thn prwtoboylia kai zhthse synanthseis me toys arxhgoys olwn twn kommatwn, toys opoioys enhmerwse gia ta symperasmata twn epafwn mas me thn amerikanikh pleyra. Aytes oi synanthseis exoyn hdh pragmatopoihqei, me ejairesh th N.D. poy h synanthsh egine me thn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh. Epishs, gnwrizete oti yphrje kleisth synedriash ths Epitrophs ths Boylhs, sthn opoia o k. Papandreoy enhmerwse gia thn ejelijh twn eqnikwn qematwn kai egine idiaiterh syzhthsh gia ta ellhnotoyrkika. Den kanoyme, loipon, kamia, opws eixe pei o arxhgos ths N.D., mystikh diplwmatia. Leitoyrgoyme me bash ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy. Leitoyrgoyme, prowqwntas tis qeseis ths Elladas, exontas petyxei, me tis prwtoboylies mas, kai th dieqnh katajiwsh ths Elladas, alla kai thn anadeijh twn eqnikwn qematwn se olo ton kosmo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na symperanw oti ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, eidikotera ths meizonos, yioqetoyn kai krinoyn thn politikh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa ayto. Dioti, kat` arxas, den mporw na milhsw ek meroys toys, ara, pote den qa pw kati tetoio kai deyteron, dioti kata kairoys exoyn ekfrasei alles qeseis. Eipa oti emeis feroyme thn eyqynh. Bebaiws, toys enhmerwnoyme taktika kai antallassoyme apoceis. An yparjei kapoia qetikh apoch poy symballei, den exoyme kanena logo na mhn thn yioqethsoyme.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo oti fainetai pame se kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn gia kleisimo twn eqnikwn dromwn. Kai to erwthma einai, h kybernhsh qa epitrecei kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Ypoyrgos Gewrgias Giwrgos Drys eixe xqes, opws kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, mia seira epafwn me ekproswpoys twn agrotikwn enwsewn kai katedeije me sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies poy anelabe, ayto poy eixame pei kai xqes, oti dhladh h kybernhsh prospaqei na ejantlei tis dynatothtes ths gia na dwsei lyseis sta problhmata. To gegonos oti h kybernhsh ekane apodektes tis systaseis peripoy 9.500 bambakoparagwgwn gyrw apo tis apodoseis twn kalliergeiwn toys kai to gegonos oti o k. Drys epanelabe kai xqes oti qa antimetwpisei me katanohsh stremmatikes dhlwseis poy exoyn deijei apodosh megalyterh apo kaqe prohgoymenh xronia, einai endeiktiko toy pws xeirizetai h kybernhsh to qema, dinei ton tono toy sebasmoy me ton opoio proseggizoyme ta pragmatika problhmata twn agrotwn. Qelw na diabebaiwsw, oti ejantloyme oles tis dynatothtes mas gia na dwsoyme lyseis sta problhmata poy antimetwpizei o agrotikos plhqysmos. Omws, ekeino poy epishs qeloyme na tonisoyme, einai oti katanooyme pws exoyn dikaiwma, toso oi agrotes, oso kai oi agrotikes enwseis toys na kanoyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys. Ayto einai anafaireto dikaiwma toys. H Kybernhsh katanoei oti ena tmhma toy ellhnikoy laoy -kai idiaitera ena toso megalo tmhma- exei to dikaiwma mesa apo tis enwseis toy na qesei ta aithmata toy, na epilejei ton tropo twn kinhtopoihsewn toy.

Ekfrazoyme th bebaiothta oti qa epikrathsoyn wrimes skeceis, alla qa hqela na epishmanw oti kamia kinhtopoihsh den mporei na dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn omalh poreia ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs zwhs twn politwn. Kamia kinhtopoihsh den prepei na strefetai kata toy koinwnikoy synoloy. Epanalambanw oti oles oi kinhtopoihseis einai sebastes, alla den qa prepei na dhmioyrgoyn meizona koinwnika problhmata, na diatarassoyn thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh.

H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na prostateysei thn omalothta ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs zwhs kai pisteyw oti ayto einai xreos ths apenanti se oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Nai, loipon, sthn epilysh twn problhmatwn. Nai sto sebasmo twn kinhtopoihsewn, me tropo omws poy h ellhnikh oikonomia kai h koinwnia qa mporoyn na leitoyrghsoyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eji xronia twra, me kybernhsh ypo ton k. Shmith, kaqe xrono, exoyme tetoia gegonota, tetoies diamartyries kai kaqe fora pyrosbestika didontai orismenes lyseis. Mporei na mas pei h kybernhsh an qa lysei rizika to problhma twn agrotwn gia na mhn epanalambanontai kaqe xrono tetoia fainomena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na eiste bebaios oti an diaqetame magiko rabdaki gia na ejafanisoyme ta problhmata, qa ta eixame ejafanisei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den milw gia mageies@ To programma sas poio einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: To programma mas einai sygkekrimeno kai basei aytoy badizoyme. Se mia epoxh ragdaiwn allagwn ston agrotiko tomea dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Allazei to kaqestws epidothsewn, gia paradeigma. Dhmioyrgoyntai neoi antagwnismoi sth gewrgia. Gia paradeigma, einai se ejelijh enas anoiktos antagwnismos se mia seira apo agrotika proionta. Ayta epiferoyn problhmata kai ta problhmata ayta kaqe fora me ton analogo programmatismo epixeiroyme na ta antimetwpisoyme. Jerete posa apo ayta ta problhmata exoyn dieyqethqei; Jerete poses sygkekrimenes apanthseis exoyn doqei; Den qa eixan perioristei oi kinhtopoihseis se orismenoys tomeis, an den eixame dwsei lysh sta problhmata. O agrotikos plhqysmos apotelei ena poly megalo pososto toy oikonomika energoy plhqysmoy ths xwras. To gegonos oti den parathreitai ena genikeymeno problhma ofeiletai akribws sthn prospaqeia poy kataballetai apo thn kybernhsh. Den qa isxyristoyme oti lysame ola ta problhmata. Qa isxyristoyme, omws, oti doyleyoyme swsta kai sobara, me programma kai proseggizoyme ta problhmata toy Ellhna agroth.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos xqes kata thn parembash toy xarakthrise "exqrikh prajh" thn kinhsh twn "45" gia to Asfalistiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje tetoios xarakthrismos. Qa parakaloysa kai pali oloys na diabasoyn jana to keimeno apo th xqesinh politikh enhmerwsh.

KONTOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw ean o k. Xrysanqakopoylos paramenei sth qesh toy, meta tis xqesines apokalyceis toy k. Triantafyllopoyloy. Epishs, an h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos skopeyoyn na zhthsoyn thn apoxwrhsh toy apo th qesh toy Proedroy ths Epitrophs gia ta tyxera paixnidia kai an ayth h apokalych, na paizei dhladh tyxera paixnidia, enw o idios einai Proedros mias epitrophs poy diereyna to qema ayto, synista hqiko kai politiko qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqyneste ston kybernhtiko ekproswpo, o opoios exei xreos na enhmerwnei gia qemata poy sxetizontai me thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. To idiaitera lyphro ayto qema, den sxetizetai me thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Qa moy epitrecete, loipon, na mhn topoqethqw.

POYLIDOY: Exw dyo erwthseis. H mia afora mia fhmh poy yparxei shmera oti o Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai na zhthsei chfo empistosynhs apo th Boylh. An exete kati ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. An anafereste sth shmerinh synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, h synergasia ayth aforoyse to genikotero programmatismo, oson afora thn kataqesh twn nomosxediwn sto Koinoboylio. Prokeitai gia mia synhqismenh synergasia anamesa ston Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Proedro ths Boylhs.

POYLIDOY: Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai, an gnwrizete to logo ths shmerinhs episkechs toy k. Miler sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, giati oi kairoi einai ponhroi, giati o k. Papandreoy xqes synanthse ton Palaistinio antiproswpo, epikeitai h syzhthsh gia ton Eyrwstrato, ara yparxoyn polles eikasies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth synanthsh toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Miler h syzhthsh peristrafhke gyrw apo ta apotelesmata ths prosfaths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA, enw syzhthqhkan kai tropoi enisxyshs ths dimeroys synergasias.

MPOTWNHS: Sthn erwthsh toy k. Kontopoyloy, an akoysa kala, eipate ``lyphro qema''; Apo poia pleyra einai lyphro;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto qema plhrws.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate, nai, sthn epilysh twn problhmatwn, oxi sto kleisimo twn eqnikwn dromwn. Qelw na moy peite, ean pisw apo aytes tis kinhtopoihseis poy ginontai kaqe xrono tetoia epoxh, diablepei h kybernhsh, qa legame ena kommatiko xeri, daktylo h einai mono mia aytoysia prajh twn agrotwn gia ta problhmata toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na janagyrisoyme se ayth th qewria peri ``kommatikwn daktylwn'', giati pisteyw oti den wfelei kanenan. Emeis qeloyme na koitame toys agrotes sta matia. Kai toys leme oti sebomaste tis kinhtopoihseis. Bebaiws, prospaqoyme na dwsoyme lyseis sta problhmata toys. Ayto toys leme. Akomh kai twra, akomh kai thn paramonh, o ypoyrgos Gewrgias G. Drys, htan se poleis ths perifereias kai edine lyseis sta problhmata. Kapoies agrotikes enwseis mporei na exoyn mia allh apoch. Ekeino, omws, poy leme einai oti ayth h apoch, ayth h kinhtopoihsh prepei na sebetai kai toys alloys Ellhnes polites.

FASOYLAS: Gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh: Eixe enhmerwqei -kai me aformh bebaia ta osa sas katamartyrei shmera h N.D., me anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy ths- prohgoymenws h kybernhsh, prin h ka Aggelopoyloy proxwrhsei se apolyseis koryfaiwn stelexwn toy ``AQHNA-2004'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den exei ayto kamia sxesh me thn kybernhsh. Ayta poy leei h N.D. einai ek toy ponhroy. Prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei qema ekei poy den yparxei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh apofeygete na apanthsete stis erwthseis twn synadelfwn gia ton k. Xrysanqakopoylo, qa hqela na sxoliasete....

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn akribeia, den apofeygw. Sebomai to leitoyrghma moy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dikh moy ejhghsh. Ean sas ikanopoiei ayto to klima poy epikratei aytes tis hmeres, ej aformhs toy qematos toy k. Xrysanqakopoyloy, na blepoyme se mia topikh koinwnia @kai ayto symperainetai oti mporei na symbainei kai se mia megalyterh- ayth th sxesh, opws askeitai, kai twn dhmosiografwn kai twn politikwn. Sas ikanopoiei ayto; Giati, eiste kai ekproswpos Typoy, sxetikos me tis dhmosiografikes organwseis. Ayto olo to symplegma twn epafwn twn dhmosiografwn me toys politikoys, me ta diaplekomena, me toys epixeirhmaties, me ton tropo ekfrashs kai paroysiashs aytwn twn gegonotwn, peripoiei timh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy qetete mia erwthsh poy pragmati einai shmantikh. Qa pw, omws, oti parabiazete anoiktes qyres, giati exoyme frontisei na kinhqoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Gnwrizete oti mesa se mikro xroniko diasthma, gia paradeigma, oloklhrwqhke mia idiaitera systhmatikh kai sobarh diadikasia xorhghshs adeiwn stoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Analogh diadikasia ginetai kai gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Oti exei yparjei mia nomoqesia, h opoia qa symplhrwqei me thn kataqesh toy sxedioy nomoy gia to basiko metoxo, h opoia frontizei kai epiballei -an qelete- na mhn yparxoyn sxeseis metajy oikonomias kai MME, toylaxiston oson afora th leitoyrgia toy Dhmosioy kai th sxesh me to dhmosio tomea. Yparxei, loipon, mia seira tetoiwn nomoqetikwn parembasewn, ena tetoio nomoqetiko plaisio, poy kata th gnwmh moy diasfalizei thn anejarthsia twn MME, ws plaisio. Qa elega, oti me tis prosqetes parembaseis poy qa ginoyn kai poy elpizw na yparjei plhrhs omofwnia twn kommatwn, sto plaisio twn apofasewn ths diakommatikhs epitrophs, qa yparjoyn kai kinhseis poy qa apokatasthsoyn kai thn anagkaia anejarthsia, spazontas thn opoia sxesh me to legomeno ``politiko xrhma'', metajy oikonomias, MME kai politikwn. Etoimazoyme ena plhres nomoqetiko plaisio gia ton tropo me ton opoio qa leitoyrgoyn oi politikoi kai kata thn proeklogikh, idiaitera, periodo kai th sxesh toys me ta MME kai ta opoia oikonomika symferonta. Mpainei tajh se ola ayta ta zhthmata. Ejasfalizetai h anejarthsia ths politikhs kai bebaiws, ejasfalizetai kai h anejarthsia twn MME. Milate, loipon, se mia kybernhsh poy exei frontisei na yparjei mia seira parembasewn poy dhmioyrgoyn ena ikanopoihtiko kai qa elega kai prwtoporo nomoqetiko plaisio ston tomea ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai gia ton k. Tsoykato ej aformhs ths erwthshs toy k. Gargalakoy, sas rwthsa xqes kai perimenw mia apanthsh. Apo tote poy dhmioyrghqhke to problhma, ti synebh me ton k. Tsoykato. Moy eipate oti den mporeite na apanthsete se ena tetoio qema. O k. Tsoykatos yphrje ek twn aporrhtwn kai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa oti den mporw, eipa oti den me afora...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poios htan o logos poy o k. Shmiths ton ediwje h poios htan o logos poy paraithqhke o k. Tsoykatos; Gia na exei ajiopistia kai h kinhsh twn ``45''. Poion na pistecoyme twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn ajiopistia toy kaqenos frontizei o idios. Apo kei kai pera, qa topoqethqw ekei poy epibaloyn ta kaqhkonta moy ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos. Den qa sas pw proswpikes moy apoceis.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dwsate prohgoymenws mia apanthsh gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro ths Boylhs Ap. Kaklamanh. O Prwqypoyrgos, omws, eide kai ton k. Geitona. Mhpws exete kapoia apanthsh kai gi ayth th synanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti o k. Geitonas einai kai antiproedros ths Boylhs, einai kai stelexos toy PASOK kai grammateas oikonomikoy toy PASOK. Einai logiko o Prwqypoyrgos na synantatai me stelexh kai malista epilekta stelexh toy kommatos.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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