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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Prin apo ligo o paraithqeis yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Zafeiropoylos, ejhgwntas analytikotera toys logoys ths paraithshs toy kai tis qeseis toy, ejefrase th bebaiothta toy oti to PASOK qa odhghqei stis epomenes ekloges kai endexomenws kai sth nikh, me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo. Hqela na rwthsw, an yparxei amfisbhthsh entos toy PASOK, entos ths kybernhshs ws pros to poios qa hghqei twn eklogwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydemia amfisbhthsh yparxei. To PASOK stis ekloges qa paroysiastei ston ellhniko lao me Prwqypoyrgo kai ypochfio Prwqypoyrgo ton Kwsta Shmith. To qema ayto exei kleisei kai idiaitera meta kai apo to prosfato Synedrio mas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opws lene oi plhrofories, xqes, yphrxe ena jespasma toy k. Laliwth sxetika me tis -qa elege kaneis- allepallhles epikritikes epishmanseis kybernhtikwn paragontwn poy epikrinoyn thn taktikh toy Grammatea toy PASOK. Anaferontai kai sygkekrimena onomata, opws toy k. Mpenoy kai toy k. Pasxalidh.

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema ayto afora tis sxeseis metajy twn stelexwn toy PASOK kai oxi thn kybernhsh kai thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

GARGALAKOS: Wstoso, otan emplekontai kybernhtikoi paragontes se kritikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti afora sxeseis metajy stelexwn toy PASOK kai oxi thn kybernhsh kai thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Qa mporoysame na systhsoyme se ola ta stelexh na parameinoyn sthn paraqesh twn apocewn toys mesa sta organa toy kommatos.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gnwrizete na mas peite mhpws stoys kolpoys ths kybernhshs yparxoyn "omades", "omadoyles", "omadarxes" poy prowqoyn apo twra thn ypochfiothta toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy, toy Giannoy Papantwnioy, opws grafoyn oi efhmerides kai anaferoyn ta sxetika reportaz;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn tetoies "omades", oyte tetoioi "omadarxes", oyte tetoies ypochfiothtes. Qa hqela na epishmanw, oti to PASOK exei Proedro ton Kwsta Shmith, prosfata eklegmeno apo to Synedrio toy, kai malista me to poly megalo pososto 71%. Proxwroyme me ton Kwsta Shmith, o opoios qa einai kai stis ekloges toy 2004 epikefalhs toy PASOK kai meta th nea nikh mas kai pali Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras.

Ejalloy, ypotiqemena zhthmata diadoxhs den exoyn na kanoyn me thn pragmatikothta. To PASOK proxwra mprosta panta me ton Proedro toy.

SOYGLERHS: Sas rwthsa xqes, an yparxoyn kai alloi yfypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs poy diafwnoyn me toys ypoyrgoys toys. Shmera ta reportaz anaferoyn oti se dyo akomh ypoyrgeia yparxoyn entones diafwnies metajy yfypoyrgwn kai ypoyrgwn. Exete kati neotero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kati neotero, oyte yparxei tetoio qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes eixame enan neo toyrkiko paralogismo. Eixame parabiash toy enaerioy xwroy toy Aigaioy kai malista thn wra poy o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas kateyqynotan pros thn Lhmno kai th Syro. Anagkasthkan ellhnika aeroskafh, opws jerete, na anaxaitisoyn ta toyrkika. Ti qa ginei me ayth thn ypoqesh; Qa ta antimetwpizoyme siwphrws ayta ta pragmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ta antimetwpizoyme siwphra. Kaqe fora poy yparxoyn parabiaseis kai parabaseis probainoyme stis sxetikes energeies. Emeis epilegoyme to poy, kai to pws dinoyme tis maxes mas. Einai mia epoxh idiaitera eyaisqhth, giati emeis epilejame -kai orqa epilejame- na anoijoyme ta megala qemata. Ejasfalisame mesa apo thn politikh poy askoyme kai thn piesh ths dieqnoys koinothtas na anadeixqoyn qemata, opws einai h epilysh toy Kypriakoy kai h poreia entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.

Einai logiko, otan briskontai se ejelijh toso sobara qemata na dhmioyrgeitai kai mia dyskolh periodos. Alla emeis paramenoyme staqera sthn politikh mas, h opoia fernei apotelesmata kai den qa allajoyme tis proteraiothtes ths, opws -akribws- isws qelei h toyrkikh pleyra.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epitrecte moy, kaqhmerina ginontai parabiaseis kai parabaseis toy ellhnikoy enaerioy xwroy@

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh dhmioyrgoyme mia eikona poy den yparxei. Eseis, eiste panta para poly prosektikos@

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Den mpainoyn kaqhmerinws kai ginontai parabiaseis kai parabaseis toy enaerioy xwroy; Ayto einai to erwthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme fainomena parabiasewn kai parabasewn kai ginontai amesws oles oi sxetikes energeies. Qelw na pw, omws, safws -kai na eimai eilikrinhs mazi sas, opws panta- oti ayto exei na kanei me thn prospaqeia ths toyrkikhs pleyras na metaqesei to endiaferon apo ta megala prwteyonta zhthmata poy ejelissontai se qemata deytereyonta, pisteyontas oti qa th feroyn se kalyterh qesh kai oti etsi qa apoprosanatolisei apo ta qemata idiaiterhs shmasias. Den prepei, loipon, na kanoyme to laqos na apantoyme stis toyrkikes proklhseis me ton idio tropo. Bebaiws, diamartyromaste, probainoyme se oles tis apaitoymenes energeies, prostateyoyme plhrws ta eqnika symferonta mas. Tonizw kai pali oti emeis qa epilejoyme poy qa dwsoyme tis kyries maxes mas. Den qa mas kaqorisei h Toyrkia ta pedia.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Gargalakoy, symfwna me plhrofories o k. Laliwths, xqes, den eipe monon ayta. Eipe akomh oti yparxei kindynos na gyrisei to PASOK, to kybernwn komma -kai gi` ayto rwtaw@

PRWTOPAPAS: Na sas diakocw, den akoysa kamia dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Den yparxei dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth. Yparxoyn plhrofories apo mia syskech. Kai epeidh anaferomai sto kybernwn komma kai polles fores edw exete anaferqei kai eseis, par` oti Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, se qemata ths epikairothtas kai poy aforoyn thn kommatikh drasthriothta, an symmerizetai o Prwqypoyrgos kai ti protiqetai na kanei, an h apanthsh einai katafatikh, sto endexomeno h kybernhsh kai to PASOK na gyrisoyn se mia epoxh pro toy Synedrioy, thn epoxh ths eswstrefeias, opws htan ayto poy akoysthke xqes sth sygkekrimenh synedriash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa kanoyme se kanenan th xarh na gyrisoyme sthn pro toy Synedrioy epoxh. To Synedrio milhse kai kala qa kanoyn oloi na akoysoyn th fwnh toy. To mhnyma toy Synedrioy einai safes kai den einai diapragmateysimo. O Kwstas Shmiths einai o Proedros toy PASOK, einai o prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Me ton Kwsta Shmith epikefalhs qa pame stis ekloges. Ayta einai pros oles tis pleyres safh. To Synedrio, omws, zhthse kai enothta, zhthse kai strofh sto kybernhtiko ergo. To Synedrio mas zhthse na milame ligotero kai na doyleyoyme perissotero. Pisteyw pws oloi prepei na akoysoyn ta mhnymata toy. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporw ejeidikeymena na topoqetoymai se dhmosieymata. Topoqetoymai se sygkekrimena pragmata.

SOYRMELIDHS: Prosanatolizetai h kybernhsh na diaxwrisei to xrono twn dhmotikwn eklogwn apo to xrono twn nomarxiakwn; Yparxoyn dhlwseis toy k. Skandalidh xqes, kai anakoinwsh toy nomarxh Qessalonikhs k. Papadopoyloy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges einai prosdiorismenes gia ton Oktwbrio.

GARGALAKOS: Th Deytera, kata pasa piqanothta, jekinoyn kapoies agrotikes kinhtopoihseis kai qa hqela na moy peite th qesh ths kybernhshs ep` aytwn twn kinhtopoihsewn poy proetoimazontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Proetoimazontai pragmati kapoies kinhtopoihseis. Opws gnwrizete, omws, epeidh akribws mas endiaferei na exoyme mia stenh sxesh me ton agrotiko kosmo kai na dinoyme lyseis sta problhmata toy, antimetwpizoyme ta dedomena kai ta aithmata poy exoyme mprosta mas me ton idio tropo, opws kai prin apo merikoys mhnes, kai prospaqoyme -opws kaqe fora- na dwsoyme tis kalyteres lyseis. Ta problhmata oysiastika einai dyo: To ena exei sxesh me th sygkentrwsh toy bambakioy sth Qessalia. H sygkentrwsh toy bambakioy proxwra me ton tropo poy eixame ejaggeilei. Throyntai oloi oi kanonismoi poy yphrxan kai apo thn E.E., oles oi prodiagrafes kai desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei. Gnwrizete oti, efoson h diadikasia ejelixqei omala kai kanenas nomizw den zhta, oyte na paranomhsoyme, oyte na paraboyme ton kanonismo, qa diasfalistei mia idiaitera ychlh timh, kata kilo, gia to bambaki. Opws gnwrizete, qa yperbei shmantika tis 300 draxmes. Elpizoyme oti h diadikasia ayth -kai pros ta ekei ergazomaste, me ayto ton tropo kinoymaste- qa ejelixqei idiaitera omala.

To deytero qema poy antimetwpizoyme -kai prospaqoyme idiaitera gi` ayto- einai h antimetwpish twn arnhtikwn synepeiwn poy yphrjan apo to xioni kai ta akraia kairika fainomena poy antimetwpise h xwra mas, to prohgoymeno diasthma. Gnwrizete oti amesws -kai dinw idiaiterh emfash sth lejh "amesws"- oi anqrwpoi toy ELGA phgan stis perioxes aytes kai katagrafoyn kai malista me ejeidikeymeno tropo, tis zhmies, wste na doqoyn oi sxetikes apozhmiwseis. Gnwrizete oti o ypoyrgos Gewrgias Giwrgos Drys eqese, hdh, qema sthn E.E., wste me bash tis sxetikes synennohseis na yparjoyn koinotikes enisxyseis gia na enisxyqoyn ekeinoi poy ypesthsan zhmies. Einai gnwsto oti kinoyntai oles oi sxetikes diadikasies kai malista xwris kamia kaqysterhsh, xwris kamia xronotribh h grafeiokratia. Ara, loipon, o tropos poy antimetwpizoyme ta aithmata, einai na lynoyme ta problhmata. Kai se ayto epimenoyme.

SOYGLERHS: Kai sto xwro ths Paideias apo ayrio mpainoyn se kinhtopoihseis ta TEI Patras, Larisas, Qessalonikhs kai hdh einai kleista ta TEI toy Peiraia. Exete kati na mas peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto xwro ths Paideias den yparxoyn eniaia aithmata gia kinhtopoihseis. Yparxoyn kapoia TEI kai kapoies alles kathgories ekpaideytikwn me alla aithmata. Kaqena apo ta aithmata ayta antimetwpizetai mesa apo tis prwtoboylies toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Paideias P. Eyqymioy. Oi prwtoboylies aytes einai idiaitera shmantikes kai se qetikh kateyqynsh. Gnwrizete oti exoyn egerqei kapoies amfisbhthseis gyrw apo thn ajiologhsh twn kaqhghtwn. Omws, h ajiologhsh einai pros to symferon twn kaqhghtwn, pros to symferon twn paidiwn mas kai toy ekpaideytikoy systhmatos. Ta eidikotera qemata poy yparxoyn, opws sas eipa, den aforoyn ena eniaio aithma gia oles aytes tis diekdikhseis. Antimetwpizontai kata periptwsh kai malista me idiaitera qetiko tropo apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias. Prospaqoyme na dinoyme lyseis, mesa sta oria bebaia toy dynatoy kai pantote me bash th genikh kateyqynsh kai thn politikh mas gia thn anabaqmish toy ekpaideytikoy mas systhmatos.

TAKHS: H kontra twn panepisthmiakwn giatrwn me to ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai ton ypoyrgo Ygeias A. Papadopoylo fainetai pws qa fqasei sta akra. Yparxei mia anataraxh, egxeirhseis ginontai me thn epithrhsh h oxi astynomikwn organwn. Pws blepete ayth thn istoria, pws qa ejelixqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai apla gia kontra panepisthmiakwn giatrwn me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias. Prokeitai gia thn efarmogh ths metarryqmishs gia thn ygeia. Qelw na to tonisw ayto. Exoyme ejaggeilei kai to ellhniko Koinoboylio exei chfisei ena nomo. O nomos aytos den epiferei aplws kapoies allages. O nomos periexei mia oloklhrwmenh filosofia gia thn anabaqmish ths parexomenhs dhmosias ygeias, kaqws kai toy systhmatos ygeias, to opoio to kratos prosferei stoys polites. To kentriko endiaferon mas einai na proxwrhsei h metarryqmish sthn ygeia. To kentriko endiaferon mas einai h parexomenh dhmosia ygeia na einai poiotikh. Kai me ayto ton tropo, qa proxwrhsoyme sthn efarmogh toy nomoy. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh proxwroyme. Mas endiaferei na efarmostei o nomos, oxi apla kai mono ws mia diadikasia, alla ws mia prosfora pros ton Ellhna polith. Stoixeio toy nomoy einai kai ekeinh h diatajh poy perilambanei thn apokleistikh apasxolhsh twn panepisthmiakwn giatrwn sta nosokomeia. Einai mia swsth diatajh, h opoia qa syneisferei shmantika sthn anabaqmish ths poiothtas sthn ygeia. Gnwrizete oti exei prosferqei kai h dynatothta se giatroys kai eidika anqrwpoys poy exoyn mia proyphresia kai briskontai chlotera stis baqmides ths empeirias kai ths ierarxias, na ergastoyn kai sta apogeymatina iatreia, ep` amoibh. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti htan safes edw kai arketo kairo oti prepei na klhqoyn oloi na epilejoyn. O nomos perilambanei th rhtra ths apokleistikhs apasxolhshs. Ayto einai gnwsto. Me bash ayto, klhqhkan na epilejoyn. Polloi epelejan na synexisoyn na prosferoyn tis yphresies toys sta dhmosia nosokomeia kai tis panepisthmiakes klinikes. Orismenoi den to epelejan. Apo thn wra poy den to epelejan, apo thn wra poy ekanan thn epilogh toys, einai safes oti prepei na proxwrhsoyn, me bash ayto, kai na pane kapoy alloy.

MOYRTZHS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na dwsei th lista twn mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn poy xrhmatodotoyntai, ta krithria gi ayth th xrhmatodothsh kai genikotera thn ajiologhsh aytwn twn mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den xrhmatodoteitai akomh kanenas. Sto arqro 1...

MOYRTZHS: Sto parelqon eixan xrhmatodothqei, einai gnwsto ayto. Kaqe xrono ginotan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Polles mh kybernhtikes organwseis xrhmatodotoyntai apo polla ypoyrgeia. Gnwrizete oti h xrhmatodothsh toys problepetai stoys genikoteroys kanonismoys ths E.E. sto G@ KPS kai sth bash twn dedomenwn poy exoyn na kanoyn me toys foreis poy epilegontai. Yparxoyn eidikes rhtres kai metra poy exoyn na kanoyn me th xrhmatodothsh -panta gia sygkekrimenes drasthriothtes kai me sygkekrimenoys elegxoys- twn mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn. Anoigw mia parenqesh, legontas oti kai sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias -epeidh gnwrizw poly kala to Eyrwpaiko Koinwniko Tameio- yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diatajeis, metra, draseis kai diadikasies symfwna me tis opoies xrhmatodotoyntai -kai malista dhmosiws kai me prokhryjeis- mh kybernhtikes organwseis, gia sygkekrimenoys skopoys. Opws, gia paradeigma, oi ekpaideytikoi skopoi, h anaptyjh toy anqrwpinoy dynamikoy k.lp. Den einai kati, loipon, poy qa prepei na mas kanei entypwsh. Ginetai edw kai polla xronia sthn Ellada kai malista apo oles tis phges, poy exoyn na kanoyn me to xeirismo twn eyrwpaikwn porwn, dioti akribws to qelei kai h E.E. Einai mesa sth logikh, th filosofia ths. Mh dhmioyrgoyme, loipon, problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

Oson afora to nomosxedio, to opoio xqes paroysiase o Prwqypoyrgos kai brisketai sto stadio sylloghs ypografwn, prokeimenoy na erqei sth Boylh, perilambanei kai th dynatothta xrhmatodothshs mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn. Qelw, omws, na tonisw oti yparxoyn oloklhrwmenes diadikasies apofasewn, prokhryjewn kai elegxoy gi ayta ta kondylia. To idio to nomosxedio orizei aytes tis diadikasies, wste me plhrh diafaneia, me elegxo, alla kai apotelesmatikothta sth xrhsh twn porwn, na prowqoyntai oi skopoi twn parembasewn kai na symballoyme sth genikoterh anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs kai twn xwrwn ths N.A, Eyrwphs. Ara, loipon, se ayto to shmeio den yparxei kanena problhma, apo ekeina poy akoyme na epikaloyntai orismenoi. Bebaiws, qa exoyme thn eykairia kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs, sthn olomeleia toy sxetikoy sxedioy nomoy, sthn Epitroph kai sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, na anaptyjoyme oloklhrwmena th filosofia mas.

KAPPOS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti allo ena nomosxedio ths, ennow to nomosxedio toy ypoyrgoy Paideias, xqes to brady, perase sth Boylh xwris na sygkentrwsei thn pleiochfia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK kai anagkasthke na prosfygei se boyleytes allwn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na yperchfistei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas den prosfygame se kanena.

KAPPOS: Kala ! Den prosfygate, sas hrqan...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto Koinoboylio ginetai pantote syzhthsh. H Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK den einai loxos. Se sygkekrimenes diatajeis kai epimeroys zhthmata mporei na yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis. Oi apoceis aytes ekfrazontai kai kalws ekfrazontai, giati aytos einai o qesmikos rolos toy boyleyth. Ejalloy ayto epitassei kai to Syntagma mas. Sto sygkekrimeno arqro, sto opoio anafereste, yphrjan ontws diaforetikes apoceis se olo to politiko fasma. Opws gnwrizete orismena politika kommata ekrinan skopimo kai xrhsimo na chfisoyn th sxetikh diatajh. Ola eginan basei toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs. H sxetikh diatajh chfisthke, elabe malista se ariqmo chfwn panw apo thn apolyth pleiochfia twn melwn toy Koinoboylioy. Den yparxei kanena problhma.

KAPPOS: Dyo dieykriniseis, ean epitrepete, se prohgoymenes diatypwseis sas: Eipate prin ``den qa kanoyme se kanena th xarh na gyrisoyme sthn pro synedrioy epoxh''. Eipate oti, ayth h diatypwsh apeyqynetai pros kaqe pleyra, kaqe apodekth. Mporw na eikasw basima oti kaqe pleyra kai kaqe apodekths h mallon mia apo aytes tis pleyres einai kai stelexh toy kommatos sas. Qa mporoysate na mas dieykrinisete kati ep` aytoy, dhladh, poioys ``fwtografizete'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Pros kaqe pleyra kai kaqe apodekth.

KAPPOS: Menw se ayto kai zhtw, mia deyterh dieykrinish se allh diatypwsh sas. Milhsate gia ``dyskolh periodo sta ellhno-toyrkika'', mia diatypwsh thn opoia eixe xrhsimopoihsei toylaxiston dyo fores o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, se ayth th xronia. Poio einai to xeirotero endexomeno, to opoio apeyxetai se ayth th dyskolh periodo h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti den katexw th mantikh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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