Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-12-11

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Dekembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia to qema toy Eyrwstratoy. Sygkekrimena gia to eggrafo poy estalh sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai den to edine sta kommata. Ayto dhmosieyqhke shmera se efhmerida. Toso aporrhto htan kai den to dinate sta kommata kai to dhmosieyei o Typos; Giati den to dinate sta kommata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eprepe na yparjei h anagkaia proetoimasia apo ellhnikhs pleyras. Na ejetastei prosektika to keimeno. Na ginoyn oi dieqneis synennohseis kai diaboyleyseis kai na oristikopoihqei h diapragmateytikh grammh kai h genikoterh stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Bebaiws, den exoyme dwsei to keimeno ston Typo. Gnwrizete oti to exoyn para polloi kai einai eykolo na doqei apo kapoioys. Ayth th stigmh exoyn arxisei oi syzhthseis. To keimeno hrqe, xqes, pros syzhthsh sto Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Genikwn Ypoqesewn stis Bryjelles.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den to dinete sta kommata; Giati den analambanei thn prwtoboylia h kybernhsh na enhmerwsei ta kommata, ta opoia zhthsan ayto to keimeno; Dhladh, apo ton Typo qa enhmerwnontai ta kommata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den enhmerwqhkan apo ton Typo. To keimeno hrqe xqes sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E. Yphrje h antidrash toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, o opoios zhthse sygkekrimenes allages, poy na diasfalizoyn plhrws ta eqnika symferonta panw se ayto to keimeno. Egine syzhthsh kai to qema parapemfqhke sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio toy Laaken. Eidikh enhmerwsh twn politikwn kommatwn qa yparjei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, thn Pempth to prwi, prin apo thn anaxwrhsh gia tis Bryjelles.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti na thn kanoyn, twra exoyn enhmerwqei; Einai katopin eorths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai katopin eorths. To keimeno, exei parapemfqei sth Synodo Koryfhs, ekei qa doqei maxh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn ellhnikh antiproswpeia. Prin jekinhsei ayth h syzhthsh qa yparjei h analogh enhmerwsh apo ton YPEJ pros ta politika kommata, sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Antilambanomai oti den yparxei kamia apofash, oyte apo thn E.E., oyte apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. H ellhnikh pleyra prospaqei na allajei ayto to keimeno poy exoyn ftiajei oi aggloamerikanoi. To erwthma einai: Ean telika oi ``14'' den allajoyn rota kai epimeinoyn se ayta poy yparxoyn, ayth th stigmh, qa qesei h Ellada ``beto'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa symfwnhsoyme se ayto to keimeno me th shmerinh morfh toy. To keimeno prepei na ypostei allages, prokeimenoy na eimaste plhrws diasfalismenoi, oson afora ta eqnika mas symferonta. Exoyme zhthsei aytes tis allages. To qema eteqh sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn Genikwn Ypoqesewn. Apo th dikh mas pleyra qa teqei sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio toy Laaken, me ton idio akribws tropo.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxoyn oi gnwstes dhlwseis ths kas Miler, poy askoyn kritikh sthn apodosh twn ellhnikwn diwktikwn arxwn. Mhpws, exete kapoio sxolio ep aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh synomilei kai synergazetai me tis HPA kai ton edw presbeyth ths k. Miler, o opoios parenebh xqes epi toy qematos. Synexarh thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia tis prospaqeies ths kai anaferqhke se ena idiaitera eyaisqhto qema, to opoio -opws tonise- parathreitai se oles anejairetws tis xwres toy kosmoy. Oi qeseis twn HPA den ekfrazontai apo tis syzygoys twn presbeytwn.

MIXAHL: Anejarthtws to ti kanei kai gia poio logo to ekane h k. Miler, yparxei ena pragmatiko problhma, to opoio estw kai me ton akomco ayto tropo mas to eqije. H kybernhsh ti exei na pei epi toy sygkekrimenoy, dioti to problhma blepoyme oti h diogkwnetai h paramenei toylaxiston se ena plaisio poy den mas armozei san xwra, as moy epitrapei h ekfrash, na kanoyme apo ``emporio'' paidikhs porneias kai leykhs sarkos, mexri kai plhrh ekmetalleysh kakopoihshs se orismenes periptwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Emfanisate ta qemata pio ychla apo to shmeio opoy briskontai. Yparxei pragmati ena problhma. Qelw na tonisw oti exoyn ginei ston tomea ayto megales prospaqeies apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Poly syntoma qa yparjoyn kai nees prosqetes ejaggelies metrwn apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton teleytaio kairo yparxoyn fwnes Ellhnwn ths Xeimaras, oi opoioi kataggelloyn kai thn ellhnikh kybernhsh oti toys exei egkataleicei kai toys gkremizoyn ta spitia. Qa ginei kapoia epafh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gi ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ginei, edw kai para polloys mhnes epafes gi ayto to qema. Yphrje synexhs syzhthsh kai eginan parembaseis. Apo o,ti fainetai den prokeitai gia metra kata twn Ellhnwn ths Xeimaras. Einai poleodomikoy xarakthra parembaseis poy kanei h albanikh kybernhsh se mia seira apo poleis ths, oi opoies aforoyn zhthmata ayqaireths domhshs apo polites, poy den anhkoyn mono sth meionothta. Den dexomaste kamia diakritikh parembash se baros ths ellhnikhs meionothtas. Alla ap o,ti fainetai den yparxei kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono ta spitia twn Ellhnwn gkremizoyn. Ayth h parembash -kata laqos, den gnwrizw- pairnei ta ellhnika spitia mono.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Ayto ginetai se polles poleis ths Albanias. Exoyme parakoloyqhsei stena to qema, prokeimenoy na mhn yparjei kamia diakritikh metaxeirish se baros ths ellhnikhs meionothtas. Yparxei mia seira apo parembaseis poleodomikoy xarakthra gia ayqaireth domhsh, se poleis ths Boreias kai Notias Albanias. Bebaiws, kapoies apo aytes tis parembaseis aforoyn kai kapoia ayqaireta melwn ths ellhnikhs meionothtas, alla ayth h parembash den exei xarakthristika se baros ths ellhnikhs meionothtas. Efarmozetai enas nomos poy afora toys pantes. Ereynhsame prosektika to qema kai apo o,ti fainetai den mporei kaneis na isxyristei oti exoyme parembash. Bebaiws, yparxoyn zhthmata poy sxetizontai me alla qemata, me apozhmiwseis k.lp., gia ta opoia exoyme merimnhsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oi Proedroi olwn twn Syllogwn ths Xeimaras lene cemata; Ekanan dhlwseis kai lene ayto to pragma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den isxyristhka kati tetoio. Ayto poy tonizw einai oti to qema ayto to exoyme ereynhsei, edw kai arketoys mhnes, yphrjan synexeis synennohseis, anablhqhke polles fores h efarmogh ths sxetikhs nomoqesias. Gnwrizete, omws, oti h Ellada den mporei na epibalei se mia allh xwra, na mhn efarmosei ena nomo, poy exei genika xarakthristika kai afora oloys toys polites. Prokeitai gia ena geniko qema ayqaireths domhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai giati anablhqhke, poy lete ``anablhqhke polles fores''; Gia na anaballetai paei na pei oti prepei na yparxei kapoio dikio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti, eteqh apo thn ellhnikh pleyra to qema oti prepei na einai mia genikoy xarakthra parembash kai oxi na afora th meionothta. Einai safes oti eginan oi sxetikes synennohseis. Den yparxei qema diakritikhs metaxeirishs se baros ths ellhnikhs meionothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ara, opws moy lete twra yphrje enantion twn Ellhnwn ekei proteraiothta, gkremisma se spitia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa to antiqeto. Epeidh eimaste genikws eyaisqhtoi se qemata twn ellhnikwn meionothtwn, prosejame idiaitera, ws ofeilame, na mhn yparjei diakritikh metaxeirish. Ayto einai to kaqhkon mas.

GARGALAKOS: Eixame xqes kai shmera mia geysh apo mploka ek meroys twn agrotwn. Kai, ap o,ti fainetai, oi agrotes etoimazontai na klimakwsoyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys. Ayto to endexomeno anhsyxei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mas enoxlei kai den mas anhsyxei opoiadhpote kinhtopoihsh apo opoiadhpote koinwnikh omada. Exoyme anoikta ta aytia kai ta matia mas sta problhmata olwn twn koinwnikwn omadwn kai bebaiws twn agrotwn poy einai kai h polyplhqesterh koinwnikh omada toy plhqysmoy mas. Qewroyme oti exoyme dwsei ikanopoihtikes lyseis sta problhmata toys. Ayto poy exoyme tonisei einai oti xreiazetai na synexistei o dialogos, opws tonisan o ypoyrgos Gewrgias G. Drys kai to kybernhtiko kai kommatiko klimakio poy episkefqhkan tis perioxes ths Qessalias, aytes tis hmeres. Xreiazetai na yparjei peraiterw dialogos gia ton programmatismo toy epomenoy etoys, wste na exoyme prolhch kai oxi na antimetwpizoyme ek twn ysterwn problhmata. Na mporoyme na programmatizoyme swsta th bambakoparagwgh, wste na petyxoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma. Den exei ekdhlwqei mexri twra apo kanenan agrotiko syllogo proqesh h protash gia kleisimo twn dromwn. Elpizw h idia synesh kai fronhsh na epideixqei mexri to telos. Den einai dynato na metaxeirizetai kaneis morfes kinhtopoihsewn, oi opoies strefontai kata toy koinwnikoy synoloy, parempodizoyn thn omalh oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths xwras kai en telei strefontai enantion twn idiwn twn agrotwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To dialogo me toys agrotes qa ton kanei h kybernhsh h to komma; Giati eidame ``kapelwma'' ths kybernhshs apo to komma, apo ton k. Laliwth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai diaforetikos kai diakritos o rolos ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos. Merikes fores yparxei kommatiko klimakio sto opoio symmetexoyn, ypo thn kommatikh idiothta, kai kybernhtika stelexh. Polloi apo emas eimaste melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK. Otan metexoyme se ena kommatiko klimakio metexoyme me thn kommatikh mas idiothta. Bebaiws, mporoyme na enhmerwsoyme kai gia to xwro eyqynhs mas poy exoyme metexontas sthn kybernhsh. O dialogos ginetai me thn kybernhsh, ginetai me ta armodia ypoyrgeia poy lambanoyn apofaseis. Ta armodia ypoyrgeia epiqymoyn -kai to exoyme diakhryjei apo oloys toys xwroys kai me oloys toys tonoys- prin paroyn tis apofaseis na exoyn ena anoikto, kaqaro, entimo dialogo, epidiwkontas synainesh me ta mazika kinhmata. Bebaiws, to komma mas lambanei kai tis dikes toy prwtoboylies. Einai logiko to komma na einai anoikto sto lao, na qelei na exei mia amesh sxesh mazi toy, na anaptyssei mia amfidromh sxesh allhloplhroforhshs, na mporei na antapokrinetai se ayta poy o laos qelei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den phge jexwrista to komma, phge mazi kai ``kapelwse''....

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati proxwroyn kata th gnwmh sas aytes oi kinhtopoihseis kai pame sta mploka, opws eipe kai o k. Gargalakos, kai exoyme dei kai qa doyme@

PRWTOPAPAS: Biazeste.

MPOTWNHS: Den katalabainoyn oi agrotes ayta poy toys leei h kybernhsh h h kybernhsh einai elliphs sthn enhmerwsh; Giati, yparxei ki ena "mploko" edw sthn enhmerwsh. Dhladh, oi agrotes den dexontai sxedon tipota apo osa toys lete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa apodeixqei sthn prajh to ti dexontai h den dexontai oi agrotes. Ejelissontai ta gegonota kai ofeiloyme oloi na ta ajiologoyme. Ta gegonota einai safh: Petyxame tria xronia paratash gia thn epidothsh twn kapnoparagwgwn kai mia idiaitera ikanopoihtikh timh gia to bambaki. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti ayta den eginan tyxaia. Eginan meta apo thn antapokrish ths kybernhshs stis fwnes agwnias poy ekdhlwqhkan apo toys bambakoparagwgoys kai toys kapnoparagwgoys, me thn idiaitera kaqoristikh parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton koinotiko Epitropo k. Fisler, kaqws kai me tis prwtoboylies poy aneptyje to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias Den mporei na ginei tipota allo. Den yparxoyn alla periqwria apo thn E.E. gi ayth th xronia. Kai ayto poy xreiazetai einai na koybentiasoyme kai na synergastoyme, wste na programmatisoyme tis kinhseis mas gia to mellon, na diasfalisoyme ayto to mellon. Emeis den dhmioyrgoyme problhmata kai den prokaloyme deytereyoyses antiparaqeseis, gyrw apo tis kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn. Qeloyme na akoyme th fwnh toys. Qeloyme na akoyme tis anhsyxies toys gia to mellon kai na synergazomaste gia na antapokrinomaste se aytes. Ekeino poy tonisame einai pws den einai nohto na paroyn mia apofash, h opoia se telikh analysh strefetai kata toy koinwnikoy synoloy, twn idiwn twn agrotwn. Kai qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti oi fwnes syneshs kai eyqynhs qa ejakoloyqhsoyn na epikratoyn.

PITTARAS: Prin apo ligh wra, se ena synedrio gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes o k. Zaxaropoylos, symboylos toy "Aqhna 2004", anaferomenos sth xrhmatodothsh twn olympiakwn ergwn eipe oti ayth basizetai sto daneismo, poy ypodhlwnei ayjhsh toy dhmosioy xreoys kata thn olympiakh periodo, to opoio anamenetai na apoplhrwqei apo ayjhmena forologika esoda apo thn kybernhsh. Isxyei kati tetoio h an einai sto plano ths kybernhshs sthn periptwsh poy bgei ejw apo@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na topoqetoymai epi qesewn symboylwn kai allwn tinwn, toys opoioys kai den gnwrizw.

MOYRTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o dioikhths kai proedros toy OTE k. Manashs kathgoreitai gia apath se baqmo kakoyrghmatos. Qa parameinei sth qesh toy h mhpws prepei na teqei se diaqesimothta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete gia to qema ayto exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh.

MOYRTHS: Me sygxwreite, egw rwthsa an o ychlobaqmos dhmosios leitoyrgos, otan kathgoreitai se baqmo kakoyrghmatos, egkaleitai apo th Dikaiosynh, prepei na paramenei sth qesh toy h na tiqetai se diaqesimothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: To logo exei ayth th stigmh h ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Emeis den bgazoyme dikastikes apofaseis. Yparxei mia diwjh, to qema exei parapemfqei sth Dikaiosynh, h opoia exei epilhfqei. H Dikaiosynh qa krinei ti qa ginei me ayth thn ypoqesh. Bebaiws thn parakoloyqoyme kai analoga me tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs qa prajoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prepei na katadikastei, dhladh, gia na ton diwjete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa parakoloyqhsoyme thn ejelijh ths ypoqeshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta apo tria xronia qa teleiwsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ginei o,ti problepetai apo toys nomoys kai to Syntagma mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prepei na teqei se diaqesimothta@

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoiosdhpote antimetwpizei mia kathgoria, den shmainei oti einai kai enoxos. Kai den qewreitai enoxos symfwna me to ellhniko dikaio, opws jerete. An enas eisaggeleas sas apeyqynei ayrio kapoia kathgoria gia opoiodhpote logo, den shmainei oti eiste enoxos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, alla mexri tote, otan einai se dhmosia yphresia kai exei dikaiwma ypografhs den mporei aytos o anqrwpos na paramenei kai na exei dikaiwma ypografhs, afoy exei parapemfqei ews otoy dialeykanqei h ypoqesh. Qa prepei oi armodiothtes toy na ekxwrhqoyn se kapoion allo mexri na bgei h apofash toy dikasthrioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai kai qema toy kaqenos. Einai safes oti leitoyrgoyme me bash thn ellhnikh eswterikh ennomh tajh. Oydeis einai enoxos mexris apodeijews toy enantioy. Apo ekei kai pera ekkremei mia ypoqesh gia thn opoia exei epilhfqei o armodios eisaggeleas. Opws blepete, den parembainoyme. Afhnoyme thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh anephreasth na proxwrhsei thn ereyna, na kanei th doyleia ths.

MIXAHL: Kati to opoio sas afora oxi monon ws kybernhtiko ekproswpo, alla kai ws ypoyrgo Typoy: O prokatoxos sas k. Reppas, fainetai na einai ypeyqynos, symfwna me plhrofories poy dhmosieyontai, gia thn paraithsh toy k. Asprogeraka poy eixe ftasei sto telos th moriodothsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, bebaiws. Ti na sxoliasw; Th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs; Opws gnwrizete oi aithseis aytoejaireshs entassontai sth diadikasia leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs.

MIXAHL: To problhma den einai an qelete na sxoliasete, to problhma einai oti o idios leei pws ej aitias toy prokatoxoy sas odhgeitai se ayth thn apofash. Dhladh, den einai oti monon kapoios parenebh kai eipe zhtw thn aytoejairesh moy, onomatizei poios einai aytos kai giati akribws dexthke.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh topoqethqei.

BITALHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean exete ypoch sas an qa thrhqei to xronodiagramma paralabhs ths fregatas "Mpoympoylina" apo toys Ollandoys kai epishs ean qa thrhqei to xronodiagramma paralabhs twn allwn eji fregatwn poy exoyme paraggeilei stoys Ollandoys kai an alhqeyoyn shmerina dhmosieymata poy kanoyn logo gia amerikanikes pieseis, na parataqei o xronos diapragmateyshs me toys Ollandoys enocei kapoiwn amerikanikwn oplikwn systhmatwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn plhroforoymai apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, h ellhnikh shmaia qa anarthqei stis 14 Dekembrioy. Yparxoyn kapoia grafeiokratika problhmata gyrw apo thn paralabh ths fregatas, ta opoia anamenetai na epilyqoyn kai h fregata qa paralhfqei, meta apo synennohsh me tis armodies ellhnikes arxes. Ekeino, pantws, poy endiaferei einai oti h ellhnikh shmaia qa anarthqei stis 14 Dekembrioy.

BITALHS: Gia tis ypoloipes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia tis ypoloipes qa thrhqoyn ta sxetika xronodiagrammata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an paramenei sth qesh toy, an askei ta kaqhkonta toy h exei paraithqei o ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Alekos Papadopoylos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena problhma. Exoyme topoqethqei apo xqes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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