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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOYATAR: Telika ti qa ginei me toys laqrometanastes sth Zakynqo; Qa parameinoyn sto ploio, ti problepetai na ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei plhrhs syntonismos twn kybernhtikwn parembasewn. Gi ayto egine syskech, h opoia oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligh wra, ypo thn proedria toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh kai me th symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn Emporikhs Naytilias Giwrgoy Anwmerith, Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, toy yfypoyrgoy Pronoias Dhmhtrh Qanoy kai toq Genikoy Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Sabaidh. H syskech egine gia na antimetwpistei oloklhrwmena ayth h pragmatika eyaisqhth, apo anqrwpistikhs pleyras, istoria. Qelw na tonisw ta ejhs: H kybernhsh, hdh, exei kanei tis anagkaies kinhseis, wste na ekfrastei h prospaqeia mas gia thn periqalch aytwn twn anqrwpwn. Einai xarakthristiko oti exoyn katebei apo to karabi oikogeneies me paidia kai exoyn lhfqei ola ta anagkaia metra, prokeimenoy na doqoyn oi prwtes bohqeies. Bebaiws, epilambanomaste kaqe problhmatos poy prokyptei. Me thn eykairia ayth tiqetai kai ena sobaro zhthma, dioti gnwrizete oti h xwra mas dexetai megalo ariqmo laqrometanastwn. Gi ayto to logo qelw na kanw dyo epishmanseis:

H prwth afora tis politikes poy prepei na efarmostoyn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Gnwrizete oti sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy, poy qa ginei me th lhjh ths Belgikhs Proedrias, exei eggrafei ws qema hmerhsias diatajhs h anazhthsh koinhs politikhs sta qemata ths laqrometanasteyshs. Kai qelw na sas pw oti qa yparjei ellhnikh prwtoboylia, poy qa ekfrastei dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, wste na yparjei ena plaisio, me bash to opoio qa lhfqoyn oi apofaseis. H Eyrwph, einai anagkh, na exei koinh politikh, apofasismenh mesa apo ta organa ths, gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy prokyptoyn apo th laqrometanasteysh.

H deyterh epishmansh, afora thn katadikh olwn aytwn, poy emporeyontai ton anqrwpino pono -kai nomizw oti se ayto oloi qa symfwnhsoyme- olwn aytwn poy energoyn dikhn doylemporoy kai analambanoyn aytes tis "apostoles" me xrhmata bebaiws.

Omws, yparxei kai ena allo qema. Einai h anagkh ths analhchs ths eyqynhs apo thn toyrkikh pleyra, h opoia ofeilei na antapokriqei stis ellhnikes protaseis me ena symbatiko, desmeytiko plaisio, mia symfwnia, h opoia qa bohqa sthn antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy kai sth ryqmish olwn twn qematwn poy syndeontai me thn epaneisdoxh twn laqrometanastwn aytwn sth xwra proeleyshs toys. Tetoies sxetikes prwtoboylies exoyn analhfqei apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. H Ellada qa synexisei na ergazetai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MPOYATAR: Sygkekrimena den apanthqhke, to ti qa ginei me aytoys poy einai sto ploio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn apanthsh poy edwsa, einai safes oti antimetwpizetai kai to qema ths epaneisdoxhs toys sth xwra proeleyshs.

MOYRTHS: To qema ths epanaprowqhshs afora oloys h mporei na yparjoyn kapoies ejaireseis, giati maqainoyme oti gyrw sta 250 paidia exoyn sobaro problhma ygeias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia tis periptwseis aytes, einai safes oti qa yparjei eidikh merimna. Den einai tyxaio ayto poy sas eipa oti ayta ta paidia me tis oikogeneies toys exoyn katebei hdh apo to karabi. Kai gi aytoys qa yparjei eidikh merimna. Qa ejantlhqei kaqe bohqeia poy mporei na toys parasxeqei. Eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi sta qemata poy sxetizontai me aytoys toys ftwxoys anqrwpoys. Yparxei kaqe diaqesh gia bohqeia poy prepei na toys doqei. Kai ayto qa ginei. Milhsa kai gia dyo sygkekrimenes politikes prwtoboylies, mia se epipedo E.E. me th Synodo Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy kai allh mia poy exei na kanei me th dhmioyrgia enos oloklhrwmenoy symbatikoy plaisioy, desmeytikoy xarakthra, me th geitona xwra.

MOYRTHS: H qesh ths Genikhs Grammatews ths Perifereias, ekfrazei thn kybernhsh; Einai h qesh, na bgoyn anoikta pali me to ploio sta dieqnh ydata me ena akybernhto ploio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh olo ayto ton kairo mporei na exoyn ginei polles dhlwseis, sas anefera thn kybernhtikh qesh. Sas eipa oti yphrje eidikh syskech sthn opoia meteixan oloi oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi gia na exoyme mia sygkrothmenh kai apotelesmatikh politikh antimetwpishs kai twn dyo ptyxwn toy problhmatos.

MPOYATAR: Milhsate gia epaneisdoxh. Problepetai omws apo toys dieqneis kanonismoys oti aytoi oi anqrwpoi exoyn th dynatothta na ypobaloyn aithsh asyloy. Problepetai mia tetoia ejetash, edw, poy briskomaste; Dhladh, prepei na mpei h Astynomia panw sto ploio, prepei na kateboyn oi anqrwpoi, ayto problepetai apo toys dieqneis kanonismoys, prin milhsoyme gia na toys steiloyme pisw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai gia politikoys prosfyges.

KOYIN: Sthn teleytaia syskech ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, paroysiase kapoioys ariqmoys, oson afora toys laqrometanastes sthn Ellada. Eipe sygkekrimena, oti fetos anamenontai peripoy 210-250 xiliades laqrometanastes, einai enas terastios ariqmos. Persi, eipe oti eixan katafqasei 260 xiliades, propersi eixe pei gia 250 xiliades, milame gia sxedon 1 ekatommyrio atoma. Ti exoyn ginei oloi aytoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti polloi apo aytoys akoloyqhsan tis diadikasies poy isxysan gia toys alloys laqrometanastes. Epishs, polloi apo aytoys exoyn epanaprowqhqei sth xwra proeleyshs toys. Alla, prepei na yparxei staqerh politikh sto qema ayto. H Ellada exei zhsei to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs ola ayta ta xronia kai jerete oti exoyn katablhqei polles kai megales prospaqeies gia thn antimetwpish toy. Exoyme deijei thn eyaisqhsia mas me tis diadikasies nomimopoihshs twn laqrometanastwn kai me thn ekdosh -stis dyo eykairies poy doqhkan- prasinhs kartas. Prepei na yparjei mia oristikh ryqmish kai mia eniaia politikh, gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy, apo oloklhrh thn E.E. To qema ayto, opws sas eipa, exei eggrafei sthn hmerhsia diatajh ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy. Qa yparjei ellhnikh prwtoboylia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Pera apo ayto qa epimeinoyme kai pros thn toyrkikh pleyra, h opoia prepei na analabei tis eyqynes ths, gia ena oloklhrwmeno symbatiko plaisio poy qa ryqmizei ayta ta zhthmata kai ton tropo epaneisdoxhs twn laqrometanastwn sth xwra proeleyshs toys.

ANANIADHS: To qema ths epanaprowqhshs kai genikws ths perifroyrhshs twn synorwn ths xwras h ths E.E. einai katanohto. Twra pia, omws, meta thn enarjh toy polemoy, to qema exei parei ekrhktikes diastaseis, exoyn allajei ta dedomena. Poia einai h stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs Antimetwpizei pragmatika to qema panw se nees baseis; H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei arxisei na syzhta me thn E.E. thn periptwsh mias entelws diaforetikhs logikhs; Giati nomizw oti qa symfwnhsete pws einai entelws nea ta dedomena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, prin apo ligo ayto eipa, oti prepei na yparxei mia oloklhrwmenh...

ANANIADHS: Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw, prin apo ena mhna kai parapanw h kybernhsh sthrizotan mono sto deytero skelos ths epanaprowqhshs. Twra, isws kai sxetika kaqysterhmena, leei oti qa analabei prwtoboylies sthn epomenh Synodo Koryfhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ektimw oti leitoyrghsame kaqysterhmena. Biwsame ena fainomeno, deijame se oles tis periptwseis kai thn katanohsh kai ton anqrwpismo mas. Anaferqhka, hdh, kai sta paidia, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh aytoy toy karabioy. Hrqe h wra na yparjei mia synolikh antimetwpish. Qa hqela, omws, se ayto to shmeio na perimenoyme th Synodo Koryfhs, dioti ekei qa ekfrastei kai h qesh olwn twn etairwn.

TAKHS: Xqes to brady, kata th syzhthsh toy proypologismoy ths Boylhs, sxedon to synolo olwn twn boyleytwn apo ola ta kommata diatypwse thn apoch oti qa prepei na ayjhqei h boyleytikh apozhmiwsh h oi opoies dapanes twn boyleytwn, dioti diaforetika oi boyleytes anagkazontai na briskontai se "gkise" polyeqnikwn h megaloergolabwn, opws eipan arketoi. Yparxei kapoia proqesh ths kybernhshs na antimetwpisei ayto to qema, dedomenoy oti tis teleytaies hmeres ginetai syzhthsh gia "mayro politiko xrhma", gia diaplokh jana k.t.l., otan oi boyleytes lene oti oysiastika ta oikonomika toys toys odhgoyn sth diaplokh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrjan kapoies topoqethseis synadelfwn sto Koinoboylio.

TAKHS: Aytoi poy den to eipan entos, to eipan ektos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dikio. Eipwqhke apo arketoys synadelfoys. Qelw, omws, na epishmanw to ejhs: H kybernhsh protiqetai na labei ola ta anagkaia metra gia thn antimetwpish aytoy poy legetai "politiko xrhma". Kai gnwrizete oti prin apo ligo kairo, h tote ypoyrgos Eswterikwn B. Papandreoy, eixe kataqesei gia dialogo me ta politika kommata ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio gia th ryqmish seiras qematwn poy syndeontan me ton proeklogiko agwna kai ta ejoda twn ypochfiwn, dioti ekei einai ta perissotera ejoda. Proteinontan para polla kai malista aysthra metra. Einai proqesh ths kybernhshs na antimetwpisei, oso mporei pio apotelesmatika, ayto to aparadekto fainomeno toy "politikoy xrhmatos". Qa proxwrhsei, loipon, o dialogos sto Koinoboylio, bebaiws kai me ola ta politika kommata, gia ta qemata aytwn twn ryqmisewn. Kai qelw na pisteyw oti qa katalhjoyme se symperasmata poy na mas enwnoyn kai oloi mazi na ergastoyme, wste tetoia fainomena na mhn epanalhfqoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei mia seira ryqmisewn stis opoies exei proxwrhsei to Koinoboylio, gia th dieykolynsh twn boyleytwn. Qelw na pw oti exei yparjei seira ryqmisewn, wste na mporoyn oi boyleytes na kanoyn akwlyta to ergo toys. Ean xreiazontai kai alles, qa ejetastoyn. Qelw na qymisw oti apo thn 1/1/2003, meta apo ena nomo, o opoios qa chfistei se efarmogh toy Syntagmatos, qa yparxoyn kai shmantikotatoi periorismoi sthn askhsh epaggelmatos apo pleyras twn boyleytwn.

TAKHS: Kata synepeia, ejetazetai to qema ths ayjhshs ths boyleytikhs apozhmiwshs, dedomenoy kai toy asymbibastoy poy qa yparxei apo to 2003;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete oti ayth h syzhthsh exei jekinhsei sth Boylh. Qa ejetastoyn ola ta metra, wste na mporei o boyleyths na kanei swsta to ergo toy. Kai se ayto, qelw na eimai safhs. Omws, den mporw na sas pw, ayth th stigmh, poioi sygkekrimenoi tropoi qa epilegoyn. O boyleyths prepei na askei swsta to leitoyrghma toy, alla se kamia periptwsh den prepei na afhsoyme periqwria -kai den qa afhsoyme- gia thn epanemfanish toy fainomenoy toy politikoy xrhmatos. Se ayto qa eimaste kaqetoi.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora ayto poy eipate xqes kai eseis kai o k. Laliwths, me thn idiothta toy prwhn ypoyrgoy PEXWDE, oti to 100% ths eyqynhs gi` ayto poy synebh sth Malakasa anhkei sth N.D. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exete staqmisei ta pososta eyqynhs gia to fainomeno sto aerodromio twn Spatwn. Ti pososto eyqynhs analogei sto PASOK kai ti pososto eyqynhs analogei sth N.D.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anefera pososta, xqes. Anefera ena sygkekrimeno gegonos gia thn kataskeyh enos sygkekrimenoy ergoy. Oyte pososta eipa, oyte exw tetoia logikh. Apo ekei kai pera, moy dinete thn eykairia na tonisw, oti leitoyrghse kai kinhtopoihqhke o kratikos mhxanismos gia thn antimetwpish ayths ths qeomhnias. Qelw na shmeiwsete oti htan mia qeomhnia megaloy megeqoys. Qa elega oti mesa se dyo hmeres epese nero, to opoio peftei synhqws se dyo mhnes. Par` ola ayta, yphrxe mia megalh kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Eixe prohghqei kai h egkairh prognwsh. Katablhqhkan oles oi anagkaies prospaqeies gia na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghse h kakokairia. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn epishmane kapoies kaqysterhseis poy htan poly liges. Apo ekei kai pera, sto synolo toy o kratikos mhxanismos kai prospaqhse kai doylece, lambanomenoy ypoch bebaiws kai toy megeqoys ths katastrofhs, opws kai twn problhmatwn poy dhmioyrghqhkan, meta tis pyrkagies poy eixan prohghqei kai poy opws gnwrizete apoteloyn mia apo tis basikes aities gia tis plhmmyres. Hdh, proxwrei mia amesh diadikasia katalogismoy twn zhmiwn, wste na kinhqei h diadikasia twn apozhmiwsewn kai ayto qa ginei to dynaton taxytera. Opws, epishs, yparxei h prosqeth problech egkatastashs eidikwn gia kalyterh leitoyrgia toy Kentroy Epixeirhsewn sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Leitoyrghse, bebaia, ikanopoihtika kai egine mia megalh prospaqeia, mia poly megalh kinhtopoihsh. Lambanontai, omws, kai prosqetes probleceis, me paroysia eidikwn, wste kaqe fora poy qa yparxei sxetikh prognwsh na yparxei amesws egkatastash kai kinhtopoihsh enos eidikoy diypoyrgikoy epiteleioy sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw, einai na moy peite poios exei thn eyqynh gia to gegonos oti ayto to terastio ergo sthn perioxh twn Spatwn, opws pistopoioyn, kataggelloyn, anaferoyn, oles oi dhmotikes arxes kai oi katoikoi ths perioxhs, ftiaxthke xwris apoxeteytiko systhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanenas Ellhnas den prepei na einai symfwnos kai den prepei na toy aresei h prospaqeia ypobaqmishs h mhdenismoy aytoy toy terastioy ergoy poy exei ginei sth xwra, ta teleytaia xronia. Emas ws kybernhsh, mas endiaferei na prowqhsoyme kai na oloklhrwsoyme ta megala erga, me akribeia kataskeyhs kai poiothta. Gi` ayto to logo, jerete oti exoyme kanei polles kai megales qesmikes parembaseis, prokeimenoy na ejasfalistei ayth h poiothta. Anaferw xarakthristika pente parembaseis:

-Exei dhmioyrghqei o qesmos twn Symboylwn Diaxeirishs kai twn Symboylwn Kataskeywn.

-Dhmioyrghqhke kai leitoyrgei o qesmos twn Epiqewrhtwn twn dhmosiwn ergwn.

-Exei dhmioyrghqei kai leitoyrgei o Eidikos Symboylos poiotikoy elegxoy.

-Yparxei o qesmos twn prostimwn. Gnwrizete oti exoyn epiblhqei prostima peripoy 4,5 disekatommyriwn draxmwn, kyriws ston PAQE, alla kai se orismena alla erga.

-Yparxei, telos, kai h Genikh Dieyqynsh Poiothtas Ergwn, sto YPEXWDE.

Einai qesmikes parembaseis poy leitoyrgoyn -kai exei shmasia to "leitoyrgoyn"- prokeimenoy na diasfalisqei h akribeia kataskeyhs kai h poiothta sta megala erga. Kai ayto einai to endiaferon mas, ayth einai h agwnia mas, ayth einai h prospaqeia mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti yparxei politikh eyqynh gia thn katastash poy diamorfwqhke prin dyo hmeres sth xwra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti paei na pei "politikh eyqynh"; Ean ennoeite, dhladh, oti h kybernhsh exei eyqynh gia th qeomhnia, bebaiws h apanthsh einai "oxi". Ean ennoeite oti h kybernhsh ofeilei kai exei thn eyqynh na antapokrinetai, oso kalytera mporei, sta apotelesmata mias qeomhnias, tote bebaiws emeis exoyme thn eyqynh. Panta h kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh na antapokrinetai oso kalytera mporei kai oso to epitrepoyn oi mhxanismoi poy diaqetei gia na antimetwpizei qeomhnies kai problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai stoys polites. Einai safes oti dhmioyrghqhkan problhmata stoys polites. Peri aytoy, den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Kai qelw kai pali na ekfrasw th lyph mas gia toys nekroys, alla kai gia tis opoiesdhpote katastrofes perioysiwn. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na pw einai oti, apo ta dedomena poy exoyme sygkentrwsei kai apo tis ektimhseis poy ginontai apo oloys toys foreis, h kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy htan idiaitera ikanopoihtikh. Yphrje mono mia kaqysterhsh sthn periptwsh ths Malakasas, opws eipe xqes kai o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti, oxi mono h antapokrish htan idiaitera ikanopoihtikh kai labame ola ta anagkaia metra, alla proxwroyme kai meta th qeomhnia. Exei kinhqei h diadikasia toy ypologismoy twn zhmiwn kai twn apozhmiwsewn kai exei lhfqei eidikh merimna, otan erxontai prognwseis gia dysmenh kairika fainomena, gia akomh kalyterh kai apotelesmatikoterh leitoyrgia toy Kentroy Epixeirhsewn sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean gia ta problhmata poy yphrjan sto aerodromio, diapistwnontai kakotexnies. Poy ofeilontai ta problhmata; Einai eji mhnwn ergo. Kai ena deytero erwthma, sxetika me ayto poy eipate gia tis apozhmiwseis: Yparxoyn plhmmyropaqeis perasmenwn etwn poy den exoyn akoma labei tis apozhmiwseis toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: To deytero to opoio lete, den to amfisbhtw bebaiws, efoson exete th sxetikh plhroforia, alla qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn aytes oi periptwseis. Na doyme poies einai kai na anaferqoyn stoys armodioys, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn qetika kai kata to dynaton taxytata. Gia paradeigma, egine mia syzhthsh to prwi se kapoio radiothleoptiko Meso, opoy ena politiko stelexos kommatos anefere kati sxetiko ston k. Mpeno. O k. Mpenos me enhmerwse oti to qema ayto exei antimetwpistei teleiws diaforetika. Prepei, loipon, na doyme poies einai oi periptwseis aytes kai oloi oi foreis na synergastoyn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn amesa kai qetika ta opoia problhmata exoyn oi polites.

Oson afora to prwto erwthma, jerete poly kala oti exei kinhtopoihqei h armodia dieyqynsh, oi epiqewrhtes dhladh twn dhmosiwn ergwn. Exei doqei entolh ths ypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy h Epiqewrhsh twn Dhmosiwn Ergwn na elegjei oles aytes tis kataggelies kai ola ta problhmata poy anaferqhkan. Oi epiqewrhtes qa kanoyn th doyleia toys kai qa mas enhmerwsoyn oloys gia to ti problhmata dhmioyrghqhkan kai poy ofeilontai. Einai safes oti, ean yparxoyn kakotexnies, aytes qa katalogistoyn stoys armodioys ergolaboys.

MOYRTHS: Prin apo pente-eji xronia eixe etoimastei ena nomosxedio poy qa ryqmize th domhsh konta sta remata. Mhpws jerete ti exei ginei, exei chfistei h pote qa chfistei; Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Sxetika me thn eikona poy eidame proxqes, akoysa ton armodio yfypoyrgo k. Tsaklidh se ena thleoptiko kanali na leei oti to YPEXWDE exei thn armodiothta gia thn kataskeyh twn yponomwn, h EYDAP ton kaqarismo toys kai oi Dhmoi ton kaqarismo gia tis sxares. Mhpws kapoia tetoia pragmata kanoyn thn kybernhsh na skeptetai th qespish mhtropolitikwn leitoyrgiwn se ayto to lekanopedio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Poly ejypna me pate se allo qema, wste na bgei eidhsh gia toys mhtropolitikoys dhmoys. Omws, exw pei oti ayth th stigmh den yparxei tipota. O armodios ypoyrgos Eswterikwn meleta ta sxetika zhthmata kai otan einai etoimos qa kanei tis eishghseis toy sthn kybernhsh.

Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, qelw na tonisw oti eginan poly megales prospaqeies. Yparxei katanomh armodiothtwn. Jerete poly kala oti mas endiefere na sthrizoyme kai to ergo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Dinontai para polla xrhmata gia na dieykolynqei ayto to ergo. Xarakthristika sas lew oti exoyn doqei dyo disekatommyria draxmes se 18 mhnes gia ton kaqarismo freatiwn kai rematwn. Oyte, loipon, adiaforia yparxei, oyte mporei na pei kaneis oti den exoyn kanei th doyleia toys oi armodioi foreis. Qymizw oti eixe prohghqei fysikh katastrofh apo megales pyrkagies, idiaitera sthn perioxh ths B.A. Attikhs, oi opoies eneteinan to fainomeno. Exoyme na antimetwpisoyme ola ayta ta problhmata.

Oson afora to erwthma sas gia to nomosxedio to kratw gia ayrio.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, o opoios zhtei kai apo thn kybernhsh kai apo ton k. Laliwth na dwsoyn peistikes apanthseis gia ta megala dhmosia erga;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws genikh parathrhsh, oti xreiazetai, dhladh, na dinoyme peistikes apanthseis gia ola ta megala qemata, einai koina apodekth. H kybernhsh pantote epixeirei na dinei peistikes apanthseis se opoiodhpote erwthma dexetai gia ola ta megala problhmata poy apasxoloyn ton polith. Einai pagia arxh mas.

TAKHS: O k. Kefalogiannhs, xqes, epemeine stis anafores poy ekane gia syndesh ths sygkekrimenhs ayths kypriakhs etaireias me to YPEXWDE. Kai malista, apantwntas kai stis dikes sas topoqethseis ekane logo gia "arxontoxwriath toy Molieroy" kai ola ayta ta pragmata. Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai an protiqetai h kybernhsh na jekaqarisei ayto to qema gia na teleiwnoyme toylaxiston apo th mia pleyra me tis etaireies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti aresei ston kosmo na anaferoyme o enas gia ton allon titloys typwn apo tis molierikes kwmwdies. Qa mporoysa ki egw na to kanw apo thn kwmwdia poy omilei gia ton "kata fantasian asqenh", sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh gia ton "kata fantasian kataggelonta". Alla den mporw na parakoloyqhsw pleon ayth thn istoria. Ean o k. Kefalogiannhs exei kati sygkekrimeno gia thn kypriakh etaireia na mas to pei. Me to na dinei ena onoma etaireias kai mia dieyqynsh den katalabainw ti prospaqei na apodeijei. Adynatw na ton katalabw kai na ton parakoloyqhsw. Kai nomizw oti afhnei kai pagera adiaforo ton ellhniko lao.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti h kataggelia toy k. Kefalogiannh einai sygkekrimenh. Leei oti mesw ths sygkekrimenhs kypriakhs etaireias sthnontan oi diagwnismoi gia ta dhmosia erga toy YPEXWDE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei epaneilhmmena. Exw pei oti aytes oi kataggelies einai anypostates, den isxyoyn kai briskontai sth fantasia toy kataggelontos. Apo ekei kai pera epi polles hmeres blepw dyo anakoinwseis toy k. Kefalogiannh kaqe mera, poy anaferontai se ena onoma kai mia dieyqynsh etaireias. Den afora thn kybernhsh, den afora to YPEXWDE. An afora kapoion allon dikos toy logariasmos. Den einai dikos mas. Kai den einai kati poy afora ton ellhniko lao.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi ayto to perifhmo geyma toy k. Mpler apo to opoio h Ellada htan apoysa.

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellada den klhqhke gia thn akribeia. Emeis pisteyoyme staqera -kai ayto einai baqia pisth mas kai qeloyme na eimaste synepeis se ayto- oti ayta ta problhmata syzhtioyntai kai epilyontai mesa sta qesmoqethmena organa ths E.E.. Qeloyme mia E.E. poy na analambanei prwtoboylies sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai amynas. Qeloyme mia E.E. me to diko ths logo kai th dikh ths fwnh. Kai gi ayto to logo epishmainoyme oti tetoies energeies den prowqoyn ayto to stoxo. Einai safes oti qa yparjoyn oi anagkaies epishmanseis kai ta sxetika diabhmata apo thn ellhnikh pleyra.

KOY@I@N: Yparxei skech gia koinh diamartyria twn xwrwn, oi opoies apokleisthkan apo ayth th synanthsh; Dhladh, na diamartyrhqoyn koina;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai kai ayto ena apo ta endexomena.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, eixame sthn Toyrkia eji nees dolofonies. Me dedomeno oti ayrio erxetai sthn Aqhna o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias k. Tzem, qa hqela na jerw ean protiqetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos proswpika, o opoios qa synanthsei ton k. Tzem na qesei ayto to qema ths banayshs katapathshs twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn poy oysiastika isodynamei me politikes dolofonies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai alhqeia oti epaneilhmmena exei epishmanqei apo thn E.E. to elleimma -prokeitai gia ena sobaro elleimma- poy yparxei se sxesh me to sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn sthn Toyrkia. H Toyrkia qelei na ginei mia eyrwpaikh xwra. H Ellada qelei thn Toyrkia sthn E.E. Gia na ginei, omws, ayto yparxoyn kapoioi oroi poy exoyn teqei sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Oi oroi aytoi prepei na thrhqoyn. Metajy twn allwn stoys oroys aytoys -giati opws gnwrizete yparxoyn kai alloi- symperilambanetai kai to qema toy sebasmoy twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn se ayth th xwra. H Ellada qa epimeinei staqera se ayth th qesh.

BITALHS: Exoyme pali, k. Ypoyrge, seira problhmatikwn dhlwsewn. Sas ypenqymizw th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Etsebit peri dyo kratwn sthn Kypro, ws monh prooptikh lyshs. Deyteron, exoyme tis dhlwseis toy k. Skroyts poy epanerxetai sto qema toy stratopedoy toy Layrioy. Ayta ta qemata qa epishmanqoyn ston k. Tzem kai poly perissotero qa epishmanqei oti h opoiadhpote peraiterw proodos stis ellhnotoyrkikes qeseis, opws einai pagia h ellhnikh arxh, syndyazetai me mia proodo sth diadikasia epilyshs toy Kypriakoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta sxetika zhthmata kai ola ta qemata poy anaferate, kyriws omws ta zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn prooptikh entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E. kai ta problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghsei oi sxetikes dhlwseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras, einai safes oti qa epishmanqoyn kai ston k. Tzem kata thn episkech toy edw. Einai, epishs, safes -opws exw tonisei kai alles fores- oti h epilysh toy Kypriakoy einai eyktaia, ergazomaste gi ayto, alla se kamia periptwsh den apotelei proypoqesh gia thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. Kai bebaiws h Toyrkia qa prepei na sebastei tis apofaseis, ta chfismata kai tis energeies toy OHE.

BITALHS: Gia to deytero qema den phra apanthsh kai einai arketa sobaro apo th stigmh poy ena kommati toy stratiwtikoy kosmoy ths Agkyras xrhsimopoiei ayto to qema sthn propaganda ths. Milaw gia to stratopedo, to opoio qewroyn ws stratopedo tromokratwn. Me ayto to qema ti qa ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti sthn Ellada den yparxei kanena stratopedo tromokratwn. Ayto einai gnwsto kai sthn toyrkikh pleyra. Kai bebaiws qa epishmanqoyn oi sxetikes anafores. Drattomai, omws, ths eykairias, poy moy dwsate me thn erwthsh sas, gia na ypenqymisw tis prosfates anafores, oi opoies eginan apo orismena praktoreia kai orismenes arxes gyrw apo th drash kai th syndesh toy Mpin Lanten me kapoioys anqrwpoys sta katexomena edafh ths Kyproy. Kai ayto einai ena qema poy prepei na ereynhqei apo tis dieqneis arxes. Sthn Ellada den yparxei kanena stratopedo tromokratwn. Ayto einai gnwsto kai to jerei olos o kosmos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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