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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Ayth thn wra, o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ton ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas Gianno Papantwnioy. Stis 11.15, qa episkefqei to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, opoy qa exei synanthsh me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy. Qa apeyqynqei pros toys ypallhloys toy ypoyrgeioy kai qa yparjei kai teleth gia thn apokalych protomhs toy Giannoy Kranidiwth. To apogeyma stis 7, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwsta Skandalidh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Filippo Petsalniko. Mia wra argotera, qa episkefqei to ktirio ths Troxaias Aqhnwn, opoy qa parakoloyqhsei thn ejelijh ths efarmoghs toy sxedioy gia thn odikh asfaleia. Qa pareyreqoyn kai ta melh ths diypoyrgikhs epitrophs gia thn odikh asfaleia. Stis 12.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton Arxiepiskopo Tiranwn kai pashs Albanias k. Anastasio, o opoios pragmatopoiei epishmh episkech sthn Aqhna. O Arxiepiskopos Tiranwn qa synodeyetai, ws eiqistai, apo ton Arxiepiskopo Aqhnwn k. Xristodoylo. Sth 1.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa exei synergasia gia qemata toy kommatos, me to Grammatea ths K.E. toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema thn poreia kai tis proteraiothtes toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Stis 2 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias Ismahl Tzem, o opoios pragmatopoiei episkech sthn Ellada. O k. Tzem qa exei sxetikes synergasies me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, apo to opoio exei hdh anakoinwqei to sxetiko programma toy k. Tzem.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei sth Boylh, se epikairh erwthsh. Opws gnwrizete, to poia epikairh erwthsh qa syzhthqei, qa apofasistei thn Tetarth. Sth 1 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa symmetasxei sth synedriash ths K.E. toy PASOK, h opoia qa synedriasei gia deyterh fora meta to Synedrio, me qemata sxediasmoy kai ekloghs twn grammatewn twn epitropwn toy Kinhmatos.

Th Deytera kai thn Trith (12,13/11), o Prwqypoyrgos qa pragmatopoihsei epishmh episkech sth Slobakia.

To deytero eisagwgiko qema gia to opoio qa hqela na sas parakalesw na me akoysete exei na kanei me tis "kaqares sxeseis" metajy mas. Bebaiws, exete dikaiwma na krinete kai na katakrinete thn opoiadhpote energeia moy. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw, omws, na mh xrhsimopoioyme pragmata poy den einai alhqh se dhmosieymata toy Typoy. Gia paradeigma, yphrje ena dhmosieyma sto opoio yposthrizei o synadelfos sas oti rwthse to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai toy eipan oti den egine kamia energeia gia tis toyrkikes parabiaseis, enw gia to qema twn epistolwn den egine diabhma, alla synanthqhke o politikos Dieyqynths k. Skopeliths me ton k. Miler. Kai prosqetei o synadelfos sas "oyte diabhmata, oyte tipota, alla dioxeteyoyn ston Typo kai sthn oysia einai kotes". To qema einai oti yphrje diabhma diamartyrias, opws akribws sas eixa enhmerwsei. To exw edw. Einai thlegrafhma toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, to opoio exei titlo "Diabhma diamartyrias pros to toyrkiko ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn", me thn hmeromhnia poy sas eixa pei. Opws, epishs, einai diabhma, dioti egine kai katopin entolhs h synanthsh toy k. Skopelith me ton k. Miler. Ean o synadelfos sas exei ws phgh ton klhthra h thn kaqaristria toy ypoyrgeioy kai ypepese se laqos, exei kalws. Alla ean den symbainei ayto, einai safes oti eipe cemata. Qa hqela na tonisw, gia na exoyme "kaqares" sxeseis metajy mas, oti dexomai opoiadhpote kalopisth kritikh. Eimai diateqeimenos na ypostw thn opoiadhpote kritikh. Den qa hqela, omws, na grafontai pragmata poy den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Kai se ayto oloi mas prepei na exoyme mia sxetikh eyaisqhsia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, poia einai h epishmh apanthsh ths amerikanikhs presbeias sto diabhma, to proforiko, poy egine gia to problhma poy anekyce me ton anqraka.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje to diabhma toy k. Skopelith ston k. Miler. O k. Miler anagnwrise thn yparjh toy problhmatos enhmerwshs kai desmeythke oti qa yparxei synexhs synergasia kai enhmerwsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Ayto, ejalloy, pragmatopoihse xqes, ylopoiwntas th desmeysh toy. Yphrje plhrhs synergasia me ta armodia ypoyrgeia.

FILHS: Plhroforhqhkame oti to apogeyma qa yparjei synanthsh toy k. Miler mazi sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Einai, omws, programmatismenh poly prin apo to qema poy anekyce me ton anqraka kai th gnwsth ayth istoria, poy oloi gnwrizete thn ejelijh ths. Einai programmatismenh synanthsh gnwrimias. Epanalambanw, programmatismenh prin apo to gegonos gia to opoio yphrje kaqysterhsh sthn enhmerwsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Kai gi ayto egine kai to diabhma.

FILHS: Qa ginoyn dhlwseis apo sas kai ton k. Miler, meta th synanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to krinw skopimo. Den nomizw oti yparxei kati idiaitero. Einai synanthsh gnwrimias.

FILHS: Epeidh symmeteixate, ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, sto Synedrio ths POESY, qa akoysate oti yphrjan anhsyxies apo thn POESY gia parembaseis ths amerikanikhs presbeias ston Typo, sthn Ellada. Protiqeste na metaferete ayth thn anhsyxia twn Ellhnwn dhmosiografwn, sth synanthsh mas me ton k. Miler shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei gnwsh kapoias tetoias parembashs, oyte qa dexotan kapoia tetoia parembash. Apo kanenan -egw prosqetw kai apo kanena Meso- den exoyme kapoia sxetikh plhroforia epwnymws. Ean yparxei tetoia plhroforia, exw parakalesei -to lew kai shmera- na mas katateqei kai bebaiws qa ginoyn ta deonta apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Alla, mexri ayth th stigmh poy milame, oyte yparxei tetoia kinhsh pros thn ellhnikh pleyra, oyte qa dexomastan kati tetoio.

FILHS: Epikalesthka to synedrio ths POESY poy hsastan parwn kai yphrjan sygkekrimenes anafores.

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete oti apo to synedrio ths POESY anagkasthka na fygw poly nwris, logw toy ektaktoy gegonotos poy mesolabhse. Qa erqw se epafh me thn hgesia ths POESY ki an kati tetoio katateqei, eyxaristws na parembw.

KACIWTHS: Xqes to brady, sthn perioxh ths Malakasas, dekades xiliades polites ths xwras emeinan egklwbismenoi kai malista yphrje kai kindynos gia kapoies gynaikes kai paidia. Xreiasthke, malista, na ginei h metafora toys me peripolika ths Astynomias. Gi` ayth thn katastash, poy dhmioyrghqhke xqes to brady, exei na dwsei kapoia ejhghsh h kybernhsh, poios eyqynetai kai ti qa ginei se mia analogh periptwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn periptwsh ths Malakasas exoyme, gia mia akomh fora, to "Idoy ta erga kai oi hmeres ths N.D.". Jerete oti to 90% toy ergoy eixe kataskeyastei thn periodo 1990-1993. Yphrxan kakotexnies. Ta stoixeia gia tis kakotexnies aytes exoyn diabibastei hdh sth dikaiosynh. Proxwra h meleth, h opoia apaitei bebaiws kai gewtexnikes diereynhseis gia na ginei mia plhrhs apokatastash toy ergoy. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth yparxei mia desmh apostraggistikwn ergwn. Ayth exei proxwrhsei. Kai ekeino poy exoyme pei emeis einai oti, se synennohsh me thn E.E., qa apokatasthsoyme oles aytes tis kakotexnies. Hdh, exoyme proxwrhsei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

KACIWTHS: Epeidh, omws, to kratos exei mia synexeia kai lete oti einai apo to `93-`94 exoyn perasei epta-oktw xronia. Ta prohgoymena epta-oktw xronia den mporese na ginei kati gia na mh fqasoyme se ayth thn katastash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti oi kakotexnies aytoy toy ergoy paroysiasthkan molis perysi. Oles oi kakotexnies den paroysiazontai amesws, opws gnwrizete. Idoy "ta erga kai oi hmeres ths N.D.". Emeis proxwroyme, se synennohsh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, stis anagkaies epidiorqwseis kai ta nea erga poy prepei na ginoyn. Alla, apaitoyntai kai qa prohghqoyn oi sxetikes gewtexnikes meletes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete, apo "perysi". Jerete apo pote einai etsi h Malakasa poy exei thn parakampthrio; Ti perysi; Exei boyliajei apo polla xronia. Den einai perysi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Parakalw, thn erwthsh sas kai oxi ta sxolia sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw. Den einai perysi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai erwthsh ayth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epimenete oti perysi boyliaje h Malakasa;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eyxaristws, an ekana laqos, na moy peite pote paroysiasthke gia prwth fora to problhma twn kakotexniwn. Alla, parakalw poly tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To 1995 boyliaje kai egine parakampthrios apo tote kai den exei ginei tipota. Olo oti qa th ftiajei leei h kybernhsh kai den exei ftiajei mexri shmera tipota. Giati kaqysterhse; Ayto rwtame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anagnwrizete epomenws oti yphrxan kakotexnies sto ergo epi N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, to anagnwrizw, den exw kanena problhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei se epafes me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Jerete oti ta erga ayta xrhmatodotoyntai. Exoyn proxwrhsei oi anagkaies synennohseis kai synergasies. Exei proxwrhsei h desmh apostraggistikwn ergwn. Exoyn proxwrhsei oi gewtexnikes meletes. To ergo qa diorqwqei kai oi kakotexnies qa apokatastaqoyn. Bebaiws, exoyn paei kai ston eisaggelea.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Miler poy eipate oti egine diabhma. Exete thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn; Mila gia diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh eseis to gracate...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, egw. Den exw kanena problhma na pw oti to egraca.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, den exete kanena problhma, giati qa prepei na elegxete tis phges sas prwta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtw, egine diabhma; H anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn leei oti o k. Skopeliths ejefrase thn anhsyxia. Den mila gia diabhma poyqena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto legetai diabhma, opws diabhma diamartyrias legetai -ayto, omws, epigrafetai- gia to toyrkiko ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio anaferetai sto shmerino keimeno sas. Qa sas parakaloysa, gia logoys kaqarwn sxesewn metajy mas, na yparjei diorqwsh ayrio. Qa sas parakaloysa, den eiste ypoxrewmenos.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ektos apo ta osa synebhsan sth Malakasa, eixame plhmmyres kai edw sthn Attikh. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ton tropo poy kinhqhkan oi yphresies, otan malista eixe teqei kai se synagermo h politikh prostasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti pragmatika yphrje mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn shmantikhs diarkeias kai entashs kairikwn fainomenwn. Einai xarakthristiko oti eixan proeidopoihqei apo hmeres oi genikoi grammateies ths perifereias, kai gia ta kairika fainomena kai gia thn anagkh plhroys etoimothtas gia th lhch metrwn, apo to armodio ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. Epishs, qewroyme oti h doyleia poy egine apo th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias, alla kai apo oles tis armodies arxes htan idiaitera shmantikh. Bebaiws, yphrxan problhmata. Mias tetoias entashs kairiko fainomeno panta dhmioyrgei problhmata. Me thn eykairia, qelw na ekfrasw th lyph mas gia ta qymata. Pisteyw, omws, oti h kybernhtikh doyleia kai h etoimothta poy yphrje apo tis armodies arxes htan pragmati poly shmantikh. Oi armodies yphresies antapokriqhkan, kata ton kalytero tropo, sta megalhs entashs problhmata poy dhmioyrghse h kakokairia. Gia to skopo ayto synedriazei shmera, stis 5 to apogeyma, ypo thn proedria toy k. Skandalidh, h Epitroph Syntonismoy Politikhs Prostasias, sthn opoia qa ginei anaskophsh ths katastashs kai apotimhsh ths prospaqeias poy egine apo tis armodies arxes.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Merida twn MME kai xqes kai shmera, ypainissetai oti ta osa synebhsan me thn ypopth epistolh sthn amerikanikh presbeia, htan mia eswterikh askhsh etoimothtas kai antoxhs, toso ths diplwmatikhs apostolhs edw, oso kai twn ellhnikwn arxwn. Qelw ena sxolio ep` aytoy kai an h kybernhsh symmerizetai mia tetoia apoch, dioti kai apo thn prosfath dhlwsh sas epi toy qematos, fainetai oti h kybernhsh einai enoxlhmenh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata th gnwmh moy yphrje enas idiaitera kakos xeirismos sto qema ths enhmerwshs apo thn pleyra ths presbeias twn HPA. Yphrje mia safhs kaqysterhsh sthn enhmerwsh twn armodiwn arxwn. Ayto epishmanqhke. Ayto exw epishmanei kai egw apo thn Paraskeyh kai bebaiws, einai mia pragmatikothta. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporw na yioqethsw alles apoceis, oyte senaria. Pisteyw oti ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

FASOYLAS: Qa hqela na moy peite, poia einai h apanthsh ths Aqhnas stis xqesines dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios epanhlqe sto qema prosarthshs twn katexomenwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia seira dhlwsewn apo thn toyrkikh pleyra. To qema ths prosarthshs twn katexomenwn poy dhlwqhke, erxetai se eyqeia antiqesh me tis apofaseis, ta chfismata kai th genikoterh drasthriothta toy OHE. Kai qelw na to epishmanw ayto. Opws, epishs, qelw na epishmanw oti yparxei ena dieqnes qema kai ayto einai h poreia dieyrynshs ths E.E. Sthn poreia dieyrynshs ths E.E. h Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei enan apo toys prwtoys logoys. Kai ayto, diapistwqhke kai sthn prosfath episkech sth Leykwsia toy k. Pronti kai toy armodioy Epitropoy gia qemata dieyrynshs k. Ferxoigken. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei oti h epilysh toy Kypriakoy einai eyktaia kai epiqymhth -kai ergazomaste gi` ayto- alla, se kamia periptwsh, den apotelei proypoqesh gia thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na mas jekaqarisete kati sto qema toy k. Miler. O presbhs twn HPA phre thlefwno thn ellhnikh kybernhsh prin h meta apo th stigmh poy bghke sta ellhnika MME to gegonos. Dhladh, phre thlefwno otan bghke h eidhsh h prin;

PRWTOPAPAS: Phre arga to apogeyma ekeinhs ths hmeras, me o,ti shmainei ayto. Gnwrizete poly kala oti otan yparxei eidhsh sto "tade" h sto "deina" kanali, merikes fores to maqaineis kai ligo prin yparjei. O k. Miler phre arga to idio apogeyma.

KOYIN: Kai gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs, prokeitai na syzhthqei toylaxiston to qema, otan erqei edw o k. Tzem; Giati apo o,ti jeroyme, yparxei allh mia periptwsh shmera, me ena ploio me xilioys laqrometanastes kai apo o,ti fainetai ayto to problhma oso paei kai xeirotereyei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa teqei to synolo twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn tis dyo pleyres apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, o grammateas toy PASOK edwse nea stoixeia, toylaxiston kata thn ektimhsh toy, gia th gnwsth ypoqesh me th liberianh etairia kai tis sxeseis ths me th N.D. O ekproswpos ths N.D. xarakthrise ta stoixeia ayta ws "janazestamenh soypa". Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Prwton, an h kybernhsh yioqetei ayth thn taktikh toy grammatea toy PASOK kai deyteron, ean yparxoyn kai alla tetoia stoixeia sto kybernhtiko komma kai an prokeitai na ta dwsei sth dhmosiothta kai pote; Kai triton, giati meta apo epta xronia, h kybernhsh kai to kybernhtiko komma epanerxontai se ena qema to opoio eixan tote kleisei. Ekanan laqos tote poy to ekleisan, epanejetazoyn th qesh toys, exoyn prokycei nea stoixeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: To oti se ena qema den yphrxan poinikes diwjeis, den shmainei oti den yparxei ena meizon qema hqikhs kai politikhs deontologias. Einai allo to ena kai allo to allo. Tote ektimhqhke na mh dwsoyme poinikh synexeia sto problhma. Ayto, se kamia periptwsh den shmainei oti h N.D. den einai hqika kai politika ekqeth. Yparxei mia pragmatikothta. H N.D. eipe tria cemata. Kai qa anaferqw se ayta. Alla, qelw na dhlwsw oti mexri prin apo ligo kairo o k. Mhtsotakhs mas dhlwne oti den exei idea gia th liberianh etairia. O k. Roysopoylos -kai exw th dhlwsh toy stis 18/10/2001- dhlwne epishmws oti h N.D., oyte eixe, oyte exei kryfoys logariasmoys, oyte sxeseis me off-shore etairies. Kai o k. Ebert dhlwne kati sxetiko se kanali, stis 23/10/2001. O ekproswpos kai ta stelexh ths N.D. eipan treis fores cemata:

-Eipan cema, giati h N.D. eixe kryfoys logariasmoys.

-Eipan cema, giati h N.D. eixe sxesh me off-shore etairies kai einai xarakthristikh h liberianh etairia.

-Eipan cema, giati h N.D. den eixe diafaneia sta oikonomika ths.

Gennioyntai idiaiteres apories, giati se mia epoxh diafanoys dhmokratias ta oikonomika ths N.D. den xarakthrizontan apo diafaneia. Eipwqhkan, loipon, tria megala cemata apo th N.D. Einai swstes oi energeies toy grammatea toy PASOK, o opoios anaferetai se ayta kai idiaitera apo th stigmh poy dexqhke sxetikes epiqeseis. Qa elega oti exoyme koyrastei na akoyme stelexh ths N.D. na ejapolyoyn epiqeseis lasphs. Kapoia stigmh, omws, otan petas lasph, h lasph gyrizei se sena. Kai ayto exei symbei kai ayth th stigmh. Exoyme tria cemata apo th N.D. kai toys kaloyme na apanthsoyn. Eixan kryfoys logariasmoys se jenes trapezes; Eixan sxesh h oxi me off-shore etairies; Xarakthrizontai ta oikonomika toys apo adiafaneia kai giati;

Kai qelw na tonisw, epishs, oti yparxei kai mia seira dhlwsewn apo to boyleyth ths N.D. k. Kefalogiannh. O k. Kefalogiannhs, mesa sthn agwnia ths probolhs, fainetai oti energei ws eparxiakos dikolabos kai kindyneyei na ejelixqei se kaq` ejin sykofanth. Blepw oti ayth einai mia symperifora poy den kalyptetai, oyte apo to komma toy, oyte apo toys boyleytes ths N.D.

MOYRTZHS: Exoyn diabibastei ston ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, stoixeia ths antitromokratikhs yphresias, oti 15 atoma exoyn labei meros se bombistikes energeies;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia tetoia plhroforia den yparxei. O ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs mas diabebaiwnei oti den exoyn perielqei se gnwsh toy tetoia stoixeia.

XRISTAKOS: H kybernhsh gnwrize gia th xqesinobradinh synanthsh sto Londino, twn kyriwn Mpler, Srenter, Sirak kai sth synexeia me toys kyrioys Aqnar kai Solana; Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh ayth th synanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy qelw na epishmanw einai pws kaqe kybernhsh exei dikaiwma na kanei tis synanthseis poy epilegei kai ayto den mporei kaneis na ths to apagoreysei. Omws, otan metexoyme sthn idia Enwsh kai otan qeloyme h Enwsh ayth na diadramatisei ena rolo kai se dieqnes pedio, otan oloi milame gia thn anagkh isxyropoihshs ths sta dieqnh qemata, opws ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai amynas, tote qa prepei aytes oi diadikasies na ginontai mesa sta qesmoqethmena organa ths E.E.

ALEJAKHS: O k. Ferxofstrar poy symmeteixe sth syskech enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia ta apotelesmata ayths ths synanthshs; Qa yparjei kapoia epafh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh topoqethqei.

TAKHS: O Toyrkos ypoyrgos Epikrateias, poy einai armodios kai gia qemata Kyproy, ekane mia dhlwsh kai eipe oti h Kypros einai ``antro tromokratwn'' kai ekei jeplenetai to mayro xrhma olhs ths Mesogeioy. Qa hqela ena sxolio gi ayth th dhlwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Katalabainete poly kala oti ayto se kamia periptwsh den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia.

TAKHS: Epeidh einai mia proklhtikh dhlwsh kai epeidh yparxoyn kai oi xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Etsebit kai ola ayta entassontai se ena...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata qa teqoyn armodiws apo thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy, kata th diarkeia synomiliwn, poy qa exei me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias Ismahl Tzem.

TAKHS: Sto qema gia ton k. Laliwth. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Ola ayta gia ta ``cemata'' ths N.D., opws eseis anaferate, htan gnwsta sthn kybernhsh fantazomai apo to 1993 kai nwritera apo tote poy yphrxan ta dhmosieymata. Giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh epilegei na kanei shmera aytes tis apokalyceis, tosa xronia meta; Epeidh dexqhke epiqeseis o k. Laliwths h yparxei kapoios allos logos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti ayta htan gnwsta apo to 1993. Alla tote kriname gia kapoioys logoys, oti den xreiazetai na yparjei poinikh synexeia. Ayto, omws, se kamia periptwsh den shmainei oti den yparxei ena meizon hqiko kai politiko qema gia th N.D. Giati ta epanaferame; Qa sas diabasw dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy kai ajizei ton kopo na thn prosejete, dioti o k. Roysopoylos einai Ekproswpos Typoy ths N.D. Dhlwnei, stis 18 Oktwbrioy 2001, epishmws oti: ``H N.D. oyte eixe, oyte exei kryfoys logariasmoys se ellhnikes h jenes Trapezes, oyte bebaiws eixe kai sxesh me off shore etaireies''.

TAKHS: Ayth h dhlwsh prohlqe, dioti prohgoymenws o k. Laliwths eixe anaferqei sth sygkekrimenh etaireia. Egw lew gia thn arxh ayths ths istorias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean o k. Roysopoylos stis 18 Oktwbrioy 2001 omologoyse oti to komma toys eixe sxesh me off shore etaireies, estw sto parelqon kai oti epairne xrhmata me adiafanh tropo, mesw aytwn twn off shore etaireiwn kai oti apo ayta ta xrhmata xrhmatodotoysan ton proeklogiko toys agwna kai oti yphrxan kai kryfoi logariasmoi kai pws ayto den prokeitai na epanalhfqei sto mellon, qa htan mia eilikrinhs dhlwsh. H dhlwsh, thn opoia ekane, den htan eilikrinhs. Epishmainoyme tria cemata ths N.D. kai einai logiko na anaferomaste se ayta, dioti exoyme kai mnhmh kai gnwsh.

FILHS: Giati qewreite aytonohto oti apotelei ylh ths politikhs enhmerwshs se ayth thn aiqoysa mia kommatikh antidikia gia to parelqon, anamesa se dyo kommata, sto PASOK kai th Nea Dhmokratia. Se ti proagei thn enhmerwsh gia to kybernhtiko ergo, gia ta problhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn, ayth h ``xortastikh'' anafora sas kai shmera, se mia kommatikh antidikia toy parelqontos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti prwton, den einai mia kommatikh antidikia poy den afora ton ellhniko lao. Otan leme oti yparxoyn adiafaneis synallages, otan kathgoroyme politika kommata, otan erxetai o k. Kefalogiannhs kaqe ebdomada -opws eipa, kai me ton tropo poy to kanei, ws eparxiakos dikolabos- kai kathgorei oti to PASOK empleketai dhqen me off shore etaireies, einai logiko oti kai to komma mas kai h kybernhsh kai ta politika proswpa qa antidrasoyn. Dioti kaneis mas den prepei na qelei na yparxei mia skia panw apo ta politika proswpa. Kaneis mas den prepei na apodexetai aytoy toy eidoys thn yponomeysh, th dhlhthriash toy politikoy bioy ths xwras. Otan dhlhthriazoyme ton politiko bio ths xwras, dhmioyrgoyme ena problhma, poy afora oloys mas, ola ta kommata, oloys toys politikoys. Loipon, prepei na jekaqarizoyme ta pragmata, na ta bazoyme sth qesh toys, gia na eimaste eilikrineis metajy mas kai na dhmioyrgoyme swsth kai eilikrinh sxesh me toys polites. Bebaiws, o isxyrismos sas qa eixe bash, ean den yphrxe taytoxrona kai prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Emeis, opws exete diapistwsei, prowqoyme prwta ap ola to kybernhtiko ergo. To kyrio melhma mas, einai ta problhmata toy polith. Alla den mporoyme na afhsoyme anapanthtes epiqeseis lasphs. Pisteyw oti kaneis den qa to ekane.

FILHS: Sygnwmh poy epimenw, giati einai ena qema yfoys ths enhmerwshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Parakalw, kanete erwthsh kai oxi sxolia.

FILHS: Erwthsh kanw. Protiqeste na synexisete aytoy toy eidoys thn ekproswphsh toy PASOK kai oxi ths kybernhshs, sthn politikh enhmerwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekproswpw thn kybernhsh kai qelw na qymhqeite oti thn Paraskeyh yphrxe kai eidikh anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh gia to qema ayto. Apo kei kai pera, proqesh moy einai na enhmerwnw gia to kybernhtiko ergo kai gia ta megala problhmata toy laoy kai toy topoy. Omws, otan dexomaste epiqeseis, apantame.

MPOTWNHS: Prin apo liges hmeres sas eixame rwthsei gia ton proypologismo twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Mas eixate pei oti mporei na yparjoyn kapoies apokliseis -poy einai logiko na yparjoyn- alla...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai eixa ejhghsei to giati, an qymaste.

MPOTWNHS: Nai, wstoso, h N.D. kanei logo gia diplasiasmo aytoy toy proypologismoy kai oti den eiste se qesh na to peite, dioti fysika qa tinaxqei ston aera olh ayth h diadikasia. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixa pei pro hmerwn -to epanalambanw kai twra giati epanhlqe to qema apo th N.D.- oti se ola ta olympiaka erga kai oson afora th genikoterh drasthriothta gia toys O.A. o proypologismos exei pleon kleisei. Bebaiws, exoyn prokycei kapoies diaforopoihseis ap o,ti eixe problefqei stis arxikes meletes twn ergwn. Dioti, otan ypologizeis kapoio ergo sta xartia, xwris na exei prohghqei meleth -anaferomai ston arxiko proypologismo, polla xronia prin- ypologizeis oti qa exei ena ``x'' kostos. Otan, sth synexeia, oloklhrwqei h meleth toy ergoy, symfwna me tis prodiagrafes kai lambanontas ypoch tis anagkes twn dieqnwn omospondiwn twn aqlhmatwn, gia to ergo ayto, endexomenws, na prokycei ena allo kostos. Yparxei panta mia diafora. Se ayth th diafora anaferqhkame kai se tipota allo. Kai prokeitai gia mia diafora apo toys arxikoys proypologismoys, oi opoioi eginan gia na exoyme mia tajh megeqoys. Sth synexeia akoloyqhsan oi meletes, oi prodiagrafes, oi dhmoprathseis. Ola ayta diamorfwsan ena sygkekrimeno kai teliko kostos. Qa hqela na epishmanw oti se ayto to qema h N.D. prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei ena eidos politikhs ekmetalleyshs. Epishs, qa hqela na ypogrammisw oti ayto to qema einai eqniko, einai qema poy afora oloys mas kai den prosferetai gia politikh ekmetalleysh. Ayth thn politikh ekmetalleysh prospaqhse na synexisei h N.D. dia toy arxhgoy ths k. Karamanlh me th gnwsth epistolh ths Paraskeyhs. Qa yparjei apanthsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Yphrxe, yparxei kai qa yparxei kai enhmerwsh, se takta xronika diasthmata, apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Politismoy Eyaggelo Benizelo, sthn Epitroph Morfwtikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs. Omws, epishmainoyme oti to qema ayto den prosferetai gia mikrokommatikh ekmetalleysh. H N.D. prepei na staqei ypeyqyna se ena qema meizonos eqnikhs shmasias.

KAPPOS: Einai se qesh h kybernhsh na probei se kapoia ajiologhsh toy prwtoy kymatos drasthriothtwn toy k. Miler, an ayta synadoyn me thn idiothta toy diplwmath kai ean en pash periptwsei qa mporoyse h ellhnikh kybernhsh, an qa epetrepe se ena diko ths diplwmath na xeirizetai qemata me ton tropo poy ta xeirizetai o k. Miler. An qelete na ginw elaxista pio periektikos, na mpainei se ypoyrgeia opoia wra qelei kai afhnw aposiwphtika gia ola ta ypoloipa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn enhmerwsh, exw tonisei oti egine diabhma. Ta ypoloipa, dhladh gia tis epafes poy ginontai, qewroyme oti einai sto plaisio ths gnwrimias toy me toys ypoyrgoys, me toys opoioys qa prepei oytws h allws na exei kapoia epafh gia to leitoyrghma toy.

KAPPOS: Kai katopin twn xqesinwn dhlwsewn Etsebit, gia thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na isxyei h palia dhlwsh - politikh qesh poy eixe diatypwsei o Andreas Papandreoy oti h opoiadhpote allagh sto status quo sthn Kypro synepagetai orismena pragmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyoyn oles oi qeseis poy exoyme diatypwsei. Tipote den exei allajei. Oles oi qeseis, toso toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oso kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn isxyoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh, aytos o eparxiakos dikolabos, o k. Kefalogiannhs, exei anaferei ayth thn of shore kypriakh etaireia kai leei oti "esthne" toys logariasmoys toy YPEXWDE, ti apantate se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi xarakthrismoi h ta epiqeta poy xrhsimopoihsa -an kai den to synhqizw- exoyn na kanoyn me aytes tis synexeis dhlwseis, dioti kaqe mera exoyme kai dyo dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei ayth h etaireia; Th gnwrizei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na yparxei etaireia. Omws, den exei kamia sxesh me thn kybernhsh, kamia sxesh me to YPEXWDE. Den jerw an exei sxesh me th N.D., me ton k. Kefalogiannh. Ayto einai ena qema poy den mas afora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh poy qelw na rwthsw. O k. Staqopoylos bghke xqes se dyo efhmerides kai edwse synenteyjh kai milhse oti ton "efagan" ta diaplekomena symferonta kai kapoioi ekdotes h dhmosiografoi. Ti apantate se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ta eipe etsi o k. Staqopoylos. Milhse, bebaiws, gia diaplekomenoys isxyroys paragontes, alla eipe oti aytoi mporei na qeloyn ypoyrgoys Dikaiosynhs fila proskeimenoys se aytoys. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den eipe "me efagan" h kati tetoio. O k. Staqopoylos dhlwse kat epanalhch oti sthrizei thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Dhlwse oti kamia parembash den toy egine kai oydemia parembash ekane. Se ayta ta zhthmata htan apolytws safhs kai isxyoyn aytes oi dhlwseis toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo sas rwthsa. Den milhsa gia tis palies dhlwseis poy tis anaskeyase otan phge ston eisaggelea, ston anakrith, alla aytes tis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes gia to poioi ton "efagan".

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe tetoio pragma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati toys anefere aytoys; Oti aytoi ton "efagan", ton ediwjan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti den eipe tetoio pragma.

KOLLIOPOYLOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to skopo toy tajidioy toy k. Shmith sth Slobakia kai me poioys qa synanthqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai epishmh episkech. H Slobakia einai ena eyrwpaiko kratos poy diadramatizei ena genikotero rolo sthn perioxh kai einai logiko o Prwqypoyrgos na thn episkefqei kai na exei synomilies me to synolo ths politikhs hgesias ths xwras ayths. Panta yparxoyn oi dimereis sxeseis ths Elladas me eyrwpaika, alla kai alla krath. Analambanontai prwtoboylies pros oles tis kateyqynseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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