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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno qemata Asfaleias. Gnwrizete tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta to peras ths synedriashs.

O Prwqypoyrgos ypogrammise oti to qema ths asfaleias einai panta epikairo, oti exei ginei megalh proodos ta dyo teleytaia xronia, oti h egklhmatikothta exei perioristei. Panta, omws, yparxoyn shmantika problhmata gia ta opoia anhsyxei idiaitera h koinwnia kai prepei na dwsoyme idiaitero baros gia thn antimetwpish toys. Epishmane tria shmeia, sta opoia estiazetai h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs:

Einai h laqrometanasteysh, h asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn kai h antimetwpish ths tromokratias, parallhla, bebaiws me thn pagia prospaqeia mas gia thn prostasia toy polith kai th dhmioyrgia aisqhmatos asfaleias sthn koinwnia.

Sthn eishghsh toy o armodios ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs, paroysiase tis oloklhrwmenes draseis kai toys stoxoys toy ypoyrgeioy gia thn asfaleia. Stoxoys poy arqrwnontai toso se atomiko, oso kai se syllogiko epipedo kai sygkrotoyn to oliko systhma asfaleias. Oi draseis aytes, se atomiko epipedo, se o,ti afora dhladh th zwh toy kaqe polith, exoyn ws proteraiothta th meiwsh kaqe morfhs egklhmatikothtas, thn odikh asfaleia, thn prostasia ths zwhs kai ths perioysias kaqe polith. Oson afora to syllogiko epipedo, proteraiothta didetai se ena synolo drasewn kata toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, ths tromokratias, ths paranomhs diakinhshs anqrwpwn, ths diakinhshs kai emporias narkwtikwn, kaqws epishs kai se draseis poy aforoyn thn antimetwpish fysikwn katastrofwn, ektaktwn anagkwn kai newn apeilwn apo bioxhmika opla.

Yphrje koinh diapistwsh olwn twn melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy oti h xwra mas paramenei mia apo tis pio asfaleis xwres, oti h Ellada einai mia asfalhs xwra, para ta tragika gegonota poy sygklonizoyn olo ton kosmo. Stoxos mas einai na diathrhsoyme kai na enisxysoyme ayto to systhma se olh th xwra. To oliko systhma asfaleias, ayth h oloklhrwmenh strathgikh proseggish toy megaloy aytoy problhmatos, ajiopoiei syndyasmena tis dynatothtes kai toys poroys poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas kai sthrizetai sth qelhsh ths koinwnias, na parameinei h Ellada mia asfalhs xwra.

Prin mpoyme sto qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs, o Prwqypoyrgos anefere oti xqes to brady ypegrafh kai h teleytaia prajh gia tis armodiothtes. Etsi, ikanopoieitai to endiaferon meridas toy Typoy, gia to ti qa ginei me tis armodiothtes. Molis, mia ebdomada meta thn analhch ths eyqynhs apo ta melh toy neoy sxhmatos toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy oloklhrwnetai to qema twn armodiothtwn. Ypegrafh kai h teleytaia prajh, plhn ekeinhs toy k. Zafeiropoyloy, gia ton opoio, opws gnwrizete, xreiazetai eidikh nomikh diadikasia, giati prokeitai gia metafora armodiothtas apo ypoyrgeio se ypoyrgeio. Qelw na epishmanw oti ayto egine se xrono rekor. Bebaiws, o Prwqypoyrgos epishmane oti oi armodiothtes einai to typiko meros ths katanomhs ergasias. Yparxei, omws, kai to oysiastiko, to opoio apaitei synergasia gia thn proodo oloy toy ergoy toy ypoyrgeioy kai kalese ypoyrgoys kai yfypoyrgoys na exoyn ayth th synergasia. O kaqenas, loipon, ston tomea drashs toy qa exei nees kai polles eykairies na prowqhsei to kybernhtiko ergo pros ofelos twn Ellhnwn politwn, pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Shmera, exoyme oles tis dynatothtes gia na doylecoyme swsta.

O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe oti gia tyxon allages proswpwn qa prepei na prohgeitai synennohsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy mazi toy. Synennohsh kai oxi prwta dhlwseis pros ta ejw.

Eidikh anafora egine sto qema ths synenwshs ths Eqnikhs Trapezas me thn Alpha Bank. O Prwqypoyrgos epeshmane oti prokeitai gia ena gegonos me terastia politikh, oikonomikh kai koinwnikh shmasia kai akoloyqws edwse to logo ston ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh, poy ekane mia analytikh enhmerwsh, bebaiws, oxi gia toys logoys gia toys opoioys phran tis apofaseis oi dyo Trapezes, alla gia tis synepeies ayths ths synenwshs, poy qa einai idiaitera qetikes sthn ellhnikh oikonomia.

O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn tonise oti h synenwsh den dhmioyrgei monopwlia. To qema, bebaiws, qa erqei sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy, alla h ektimhsh poy yparxei apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra einai oti den dhmioyrgei monopwlia. Kai ayto dioti den yparxoyn empodia gia thn eisodo ston trapeziko xwro kai allwn epixeirhsewn. Me th nea trapeza poy dhmioyrgeitai -mia oysiastika mesaia eyrwpaikh trapeza, qa einai sthn 25h qesh twn eyrwpaikwn trapezwn- enisxyetai idiaitera h oikonomia ths xwras, to ellhniko trapeziko systhma kai h antagwnistikothta toy, mesa sthn eniaia eyrwpaikh agora.

Qelw na epishmanw oti h prajh ayth einai mia idiaitera qetikh energeia, mia idiaitera qetikh kinhsh poy qa exei shmantika qetikes epiptwseis sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai to ellhniko trapeziko systhma. Qelw na tonisw oti den einai monon ayth. Einai mia synexeia energeiwn, to teleytaio diasthma. Prin apo ligo kairo oloklhrwqhke h idiwtikopoihsh twn Nayphgeiwn Skaramagka. Prin apo elaxistes hmeres anakoinwqhke o telikos pleiodoths kai h metafora ths ETBA ston idiwtiko tomea, ston Omilo ths Trapezas Peiraiws. Twra, exoyme to trito megalo egxeirhma -poy kai ayto me th seira toy enisxyei to ellhniko trapeziko systhma kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia- poy einai h synenwsh ths Eqnikhs me thn Alpha Bank.

Ekeino poy qelw, epishs, na ypogrammisw -kai pisteyw oti ayto hdh exei katastei safes- einai oti h synenwsh ayth qa apaithsei mia poreia arketwn mhnwn, ews otoy lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis, me xroniko orizonta ton Ioynio toy 2002. Alla qa apaithqei kai ena sxetika makry xroniko diasthma, prokeimenoy na organwqoyn plhrws oi sxetikes leitoyrgies. Na ginei, dhladh, h synenwsh prajh kai sthn teleytaia ths leptomereia.

Einai safhs h proqesh ths kybernhshs, alla to idio exoyn diakhryjei kai oi Dioikhseis twn dyo Trapezwn gia thn plhrh diasfalish olwn twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn. Stoxos mas einai na diasfalisoyme ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn stis dyo Trapezes, na diasfalisoyme plhrws thn apasxolhsh sth nea trapeza poy qa dhmioyrghqei.

Sth lhjh ths shmerinhs synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos kleinontas kai afoy diapistwse th symfwnia poy exei prokycei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, panw sthn eishghsh poy ekane o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, tonise oti poly syntoma, isws thn meqepomenh ebdomada, qa ginei eidikh syskech kai proetoimasia gia th synedriash toy armodioy kybernhtikoy organoy, poy qa asxolhqei me ta genikotera qemata ths metanasteyshs kai laqrometanasteyshs.

-Se syntomo xroniko diasthma qa sygklhqei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia ta narkwtika, poy exei apofasistei se synedriash prohgoymenoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

-Qa ginei, epishs, mia eidikh syzhthsh, thn proetoimasia ths opoias o Prwqypoyrgos aneqese stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys, gia thn antimetwpish ths diafqoras sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh.

Telos, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti prepei na prowqhqei h synergasia anamesa sta ypoyrgeia Eqnikhs Amynas, Dhmosias Tajhs kai Emporikhs Naytilias. Ergazomaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, wste na katartistei ena plhres plaisio synergasias twn triwn ypoyrgeiwn, gia thn perifroyrhsh twn synorwn ths xwras, idiaitera meta ta problhmata poy paroysiazontai, ton teleytaio kairo, logw ths laqrometanasteyshs.

Teqhke, akomh, to zhthma twn kanonwn deontologias poy prepei na akoloyqhqei gia na mhn yparxoyn skhnes bias apo thn thleorash, idiaitera, kata thn paroysiash thleoptikwn ekpompwn. Qa analhfqoyn sxetikes prwtoboylies gi ayto to skopo, alla qelw na tonisw oti den qa einai nomoqetikoy xarakthra. Qa jekinhsei mia syzhthsh, gyrw apo to qema ayto, me prwtoboylia twn ypoyrgwn Typoy kai Paideias.

Epishs, qa epanenergopoihqei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, h opoia exei prosferei poly shmantiko ergo, me th nea politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, gia thn prowqhsh twn qematwn twn tsigganwn, meta to pragmatika, poly shmantiko ergo poy epitelesthke epi ypoyrgias ths, ths kas Basws Papandreoy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Exw dyo erwthseis. Mia dieykrinistikh sta osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos twra sth Boylh. Sygkekrimena eipe oti "h symperifora twn Organwn ths Astynomias qa prepei na einai idia gia oloys toys polites". Qelw na moy peite, ean ayto sxoliasthke h eipwqhke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai an afora thn periptwsh toy Zefyrioy kai to qanato enos katoikoy ths perioxhs apo astynomiko. Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai, ean syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, an exete kapoia plhroforia gia to an exoyn ginei syllhceis ypoptwn gia th "17N".

PRWTOPAPAS: H apanthsh moy sth deyterh erwthsh sas einai "oxi". Opws me enhmerwse o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs den exoyn ginei tetoies syllhceis. Oydeis exei syllhfqei. Den yparxoyn prosagwges kai ayth th stigmh oydeis krateitai. Ayth einai h apanthsh poy didetai gia to dhmosieyma shmerinhs efhmeridas kai gia thn erwthsh sas.

Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, qelw na epishmanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia ena qema gia to opoio kai o idios, alla kai to synolo ths kybernhshs exoyn idiaiterh eyaisqhsia. Ta organa ths tajhs prepei na symperiferontai me ton idio tropo se oloys toys polites. Den mporei na yparxoyn diakriseis. Oydeis anexetai diakriseis. Se ayto to shmeio, h kybernhsh sto synolo ths qa einai idiaitera aysthrh.

MIXAHL: Qelw na sas rwthsw, sxetika me th frash poy eipe o k. Xristodoylakhs, opws mas enhmerwsate, gia thn plhrh diasfalish twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn sthn Eqnikh kai thn Alpha Bank, oti qa ginoyn kapoies prospaqeies kai qa doyme to apotelesma. Omws, eseis epeidh gnwrizete to xwro, logw ths palias epaggelmatikhs idiothtas sas, yparxei ena praktiko problhma poy afora prwtistws thn kybernhsh. Oti, ayth th stigmh, emfanizontai oi ergazomenoi stis dyo trapezes, afoy sygxwneyontai, na einai asfalismenoi se pente tameia. Ayto qa to lysete mesa apo th diadikasia toy asfalistikoy h qa kanete kapoia eidikh ryqmish gyrw apo ayto to qema. Kai epeidh einai polyploko to qema kai to jerete kala, me endiaferei na moy peite gia thn proqesh ths kybernhshs. To ti qa kanoyn oi dioikhseis twn trapezwn einai diko toys qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti kai to asfalistiko qema qa antimetwpistei, wste h sygxwneysh na petyxei apo oles tis pleyres. Allwste, einai mia krisimh erwthsh poy qetoyn oi ergazomenoi kai stis dyo trapezes. Ontws, yparxei to qema oti oi ergazomenoi anhkoyn se polla tameia. Qa antimetwpistei egkaira kai swsta meta apo dialogo mazi toys.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an yphrje proanaggelia kai allwn sygxwneysewn kai an h kybernhsh exei kata noy h sxediazei alles sygxwneyseis ston trapeziko xwro -giati, yparxoyn trapezes poy anhkoyn ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea- h sygxwneyseis se alles megales epixeirhseis stis opoies exei symmetoxh kai to Dhmosio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Th sygxwneysh den th sxediase h kybernhsh. Bebaiws, enhmerwqhke gia th sygxwneysh, dioti, opws gnwrizete, diorizei to dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas. H sygxwneysh sxediasthke apo tis dioikhseis twn dyo trapezwn. Kai qelw na to epishmanw ayto: Einai poly shmantiko oti h agora leitoyrghse. Ayto erxetai na dhmioyrghsei kai ena neo topio, giati eixame kairo na doyme ena tetoio fainomeno. Einai anamfibolo -gia osoys gnwrizoyn kala oikonomika- oti h kinhsh ayth trofodotei kai nees ejelijeis. Alla, ayto den to sxediazei h kybernhsh. Einai ena symperasma to opoio ejagetai apo th gnwsh twn oikonomikwn kai twn synqhkwn leitoyrgias ths trapezikhs agoras.

KARGOYDH: Exw thn entypwsh oti ayth h sygxwneysh odhgei antikeimenika se idiwtikopoihsh ths megalyterhs mexri protinos kratikhs trapezas. Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh epimenei sto na diathrhsei mia megalh kratikh trapeza sthn ellhnikh politikh kai oikonomikh zwh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti stis synqhkes eleyqeroy antagwnismoy den yparxei o klasikos oros "kratikh trapeza". Epishs, gnwrizete oti h Eqnikh Trapeza elegxotan emmesws kai oxi amesws apo to kratos, me thn ennoia oti oi metoxoi htan kai einai mia seira apo asfalistika tameia. Kai sth nea trapeza poy qa prokycei, ta asfalistika tameia qa exoyn ena pososto. Ayto to pososto ypologizetai peripoy -giati den mporw ayth th stigmh na gnwrizw ti qa ginei me tis diapragmateyseis- sto 15% me 20%. Pisteyw oti den yparxei kanena problhma. Den xreiazetai na yparxei pia apo thn kybernhsh h ennoia toy elegxoy sto ellhniko trapeziko systhma. Ekeino poy xreiazetai, ws kommati pleon toy eyrwpaikoy trapezikoy systhmatos, einai isxyrh antagwnistikothta kai sebasmos stoys kanones leitoyrgias toy yparxontos. To ellhniko trapeziko systhma, oi ellhnikwn symferontwn trapezes, qa pane kalytera, oso einai pio isxyres, pio antagwnistikes kai oso kalytera "stekontai" mesa sthn eniaia eyrwpaikh agora. Oso mporoyn na antagwnizontai eyqews, koitazontas toys alloys sta matia. Kai pisteyw oti me ayth thn kinhsh epitygxanoyme ayto to stoxo. Me ayto qa pame mprosta.

ARGYROS: H prwth erwthsh einai, ean emmenei h kybernhsh oti den pwloyntai h Agrotikh kai h Emporikh Trapeza kai h deyterh erwthsh afora, opws mas eipate, thn parathrhsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos pros toys ypoyrgoys, na mh ginontai allages prin synennohqoyn mazi toy. Einai ayto momfh pros kapoion ypoyrgo; Giati, apo o,ti gnwrizw, monon o k. Papantwnioy exei anakoinwsei kapoies allages.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai momfh pros kanenan. Einai h epanalhch, dioti eimaste sthn arxh ths leitoyrgias ths kybernhshs me to neo sxhma ths, mias parathrhshs poy eixe kanei sto prwto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai einai poly fysiko, giati yparxei mia kinhtikothta gyrw apo ta zhthmata ayta. Exei to xarakthra ths ypenqymishs.

Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, hmoyn safhs. H kinhsh ayth trofodotei kai nees ejelijeis. An me rwthsete shmera "poies", qa sas apanthsw "den gnwrizw". Kai den gnwrizw, giati h agora den exei kinhqei akoma. Alla, einai ejisoy safes oti oi kinhseis poy enisxyoyn thn antagwnistikothta twn ellhnikwn trapezwn, poy dhmioyrgoyn isxyroys omiloys eyrwpaikoy epipedoy kai eggywntai thn omalh poreia ths entajhs kai twn ellhnikwn trapezwn mesa sth synolikoterh oikonomikh prospaqeia poy ginetai, qa einai qetikes. Kai eimaste qetikoi se opoiadhpote kinhsh symballei sthn antagwnistikothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayth thn tetraetia prepei na kerdisoyme th maxh ths antagwnistikothtas. Monon tote qa milame gia mia Ellada poy exei mellon, gia mia oikonomia poy exei mellon, gia epixeirhseis poy exoyn mellon kai gia thn antimetwpish toy efialth ths anergias.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Me dedomeno oti yparxei prohgoymeno sto xwro ths E.E. sygxwneysewn toy idioy h megalyteroy megeqoys allwn jenwn trapezwn, ekei, omws, eixan na antimetwpisoyn to problhma pollwn apolysewn kai ayto exei ginei. Shmera, eipate kai eseis oti kai h kybernhsh, mazi me tis dioikhseis twn trapezwn, qa merimnhsei panw se ayto to qema. Mporeite na mas peite, ean yparxoyn kapoies kyries kateyqynseis, an oxi ejeidikeymenes draseis, panw se ayto to qema kai pws prokeitai na antimetwpistei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ginoyn oi anagkaies synennohseis. Stoxos mas einai h diasfalish ths apasxolhshs, twn qesewn ergasias kai twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn. Gia to skopo ayto qa ginoyn oles oi anagkaies synennohseis apo ta ypoyrgeia Ergasias kai Oikonomikwn me tis dyo Trapezes. Pantws, kai stis prwtes ejaggelies toys, alla kai tis synennohseis poy eginan shmera me toys antistoixoys syndikalistikoys foreis, oi dioikhseis twn dyo trapezwn edeijan thn idia proqesh. Qeloyme na proxwrame mprosta me plhrh sebasmo toy paragonta "anqrwpos", me plhrh sebasmo twn koinwnikwn dynamewn kai plhrh sebasmo ths apasxolhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh eginan parabiaseis twra kai tis gnwrizete, qa ginei diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn, hdh, ginei oles oi anagkaies kinhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egine diabhma apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh; Mporeite na mas peite poies einai aytes oi "anagkaies kinhseis" poy eginan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ayta poy perilambanontai stis anagkaies kinhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh; Ektos apo to diabhma, yparxei h parastash, o epitetrammenos, ti akribws egine, mporeite na moy peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kinhqhke kanonika h diadikasia, mesa apo toys armodioys foreis, mesa apo to armodio ypoyrgeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati gia tis armodiothtes: Qa mas tis dwsete; Yparxoyn, qa mas moirasete tis armodiothtes poy doqhkan, opws lete, stoys epta yfypoyrgoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi armodiothtes doqhkan se oloys, anejairetws, toys yfypoyrgoys. Den tis exoyme emeis, dioti den aforoyn to ypoyrgeio Typoy. An, omws, tis qelete, na tis zhthsw apo th grammateia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Estalhsan, xqes, sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhshs, gia dhmosieysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai. Exoyn arxisei kai stelnontai. Oi teleytaies ypografhkan xqes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai stelnontai -piqanon oxi oles mazi, alla tmhmatika- sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhshs gia dhmosieysh. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse oti ypegrace kai tis teleytaies xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioi htan oi logoi gia thn allagh toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos gia th genoktonia twn Ellhnwn ths Mikras Asias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epifylassomai na sas apanthsw sthn ayrianh politikh enhmerwsh mas, dioti den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Kai ektimw oti den egine shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, alla twra to emaqa, twra dhmosieyqhke kai to maqame kai katateqhke kai sxetikh erwthsh sth Boylh. Etsi to maqame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Efoson exei katateqei kai erwthsh sth Boylh, qa yparjei kai analogh apanthsh. Alla, kai gia dieykolynsh sas, qa sas apanthsw sthn ayrianh synanthsh mas.

MOYRTHS: Mhpws jerete toys logoys ths episkechs toy k. Tomi Miler ston arxhgo GEEQA, dyo hmeres meta thn episkech toy ston ypoyrgo Amynas;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Miler exei zhthsei synanthseis me polloys anqrwpoys apo thn politikh hgesia ths xwras mas, se kybernhtiko, alla kai se allo epipedo. Qa episkefqei kai to ypoyrgeio mas, opws qa episkefqei kai alla ypoyrgeia. Meta apo kaqe synanthsh, yparxei enhmerwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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