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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Gnwrizete oti synedriazei shmera h Kentrikh Epitroph, sthn prwth synodo ths, meta to prosfato Synedrio toy PASOK. Epishs, gnwrizete, opws exei anakoinwsei o Prwqypoyrgos oti aytes tis hmeres qa probei se allagh toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw en taxei gia to programma toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, kata tis epomenes hmeres, giati den qa einai edw se diafores ekdhlwseis, prokeimenoy na mh dhmioyrghqei kamia parejhghsh:

-Thn Tetarth qa pragmatopoihsei epishmh episkech sthn Oyggaria

-Thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh qa labei meros sthn Eyrwmesogeiakh synergasia poy ginetai sto Maroko. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata sxetika me to dialogo metajy politismwn kai qrhskeiwn.

-Th Deytera qa symmetasxei sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, sto Loyjemboyrgo. Epishs, prosdioristhke h episkech toy sto Iran, sthn Texeranh, stis 2 kai 3 Noembrioy. Opws antilambaneste, exete, oson afora ton anasxhmatismo, thn prwth eidhsh gia to kybernhtiko sxhma.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes akoysame ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs k. Karamanlh, na yposthrizei oti o k. Shmiths brisketai pisw apo tis epiqeseis poy kanei o k. Laliwths, dhladh oti o k. Shmiths exei sxediasei aytes tis epiqeseis. Epishs, ton akoysame na kanei ena anoigma sthn Aristera kai na leei oti oi pragmatikes, proodeytikes, dhmokratikes dynameis prepei na apanthsoyn se ayth thn ojythta ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Emeis qa epiqymoysame h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh na antiparatiqetai sthn kybernhsh me qetikes protaseis, me ena sxedio programmatos gia ta megala problhmata ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Anti gi ayto, eyriskomenoi se adynamia h Nea Dhmokratia kai o hgeths ths, strefontai enantion ths hgesias ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK, brizontas, sykofantwntas, xrhsimopoiwntas ekfraseis poy den exoyn sxesh me thn politikh diapalh. H N.D. epixeirei mia metamfiesh, para to oti exoyme megalh xronikh apostash apo tis apokries. Ayto poy epixeirei, na emfanistei ws proodeytikh dynamh, oses prospaqeies ki an kataballei, den qa to epityxei. Einai mia poly dyskolh metamfiesh ayth gia th N. D.. Den mporei na jegelasei ton ellhniko lao. Kata ta alla, exoyn teqei erwthmata, ta opoia prepei na apanthqoyn. O k. Laliwths einai poly sygkekrimenos sta erwthmata poy exei qesei. Se ayta den exoyn doqei apanthseis. H siwph, polles fores, isodynamei me enoxh. Ayto einai to symperasma poy bgazei kaqe kalopistos poliths. Se mia periodo sthn opoia h perilalhth diafaneia exei ginei diakhryjh koryfaia, metajy twn allwn kai gia th N.D., den einai dynaton ta erwthmata poy tiqentai apo thn pleyra toy k. Laliwth na antimetwpizontai me siwph h ypekfyges. Ola ayta qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn me ypeyqyno tropo. H istoria fainetai oti ekdikeitai opoioys epixeirhsan na ekbiasoyn tis politikes ejelijeis. Thn wra poy kapoioi emfanizontan san arxaggeloi ths kaqarshs, thn idia wra -twra pleon einai gnwsto se oloys- eixan epidoqei se mia prospaqeia ekkaqarishs twn politikwn antipalwn toys, me kaqe tropo, aqemito, antisyntagmatiko, pragma to opoio h istoria -epanalambanw- den mporei para na to ferei sto fws. Ola ayta einai gnwsta. Ayto poy den einai gnwsto einai ti symbainei gyrw apo ta zhthmata poy exoyn erqei sto kentro twn syzhthsewn, meta ta erwthmata poy eqese o k. Laliwths. Ti symbainei, loipon, me ola ayta, prepei na mas to pei h N.D., oi prwtagwnistes ayths ths ypoqeshs. Kai ayto den to kanoyn mexri twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Laliwths epikalesthke mia etaireia thn Ernst & Young. Xqes, bghke o genikos dieyqynths ayths ths etaireias, o k. Giannakopoylos, kai eipe oti den exei kanei kamia apotimhsh kai kamia ekqesh. Poios thn exei kanei ayth thn ekqesh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h sygkekrimenh etaireia exei kataqesei thn ekqesh ths. H ektimhsh ayth einai dedomenh. Einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy. Apo to periexomeno ayths ths ekqeshs, prokyptei pragmati oti to ellhniko Dhmosio exei wfelhqei ayto to shmantiko poso twn 100 disekatommyriwn draxmwn, me th nea symbash poy ypografhke to 1995.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti o genikos dieyqynths bghke, xqes@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h Ernst & Young exei kataqesei thn ekqesh ths, h opoia exei dhmosieytei kai einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to jerei o genikos dieyqynths ths etaireias@

REPPAS: Den jerw poios einai aytos poy milaei ek meroys ths etaireias. Gnwrizw, omws, oti h idia h etaireia, epishmws, exei kataqesei thn ekqesh ths. An h ekqesh ayth den ekfrazei kapoio stelexos ths, ayto einai eswteriko qema ths etaireias. Exoyme sth diaqesh mas thn ekqesh, to porisma mias etaireias, me thn ypografh kai th sfragida ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias, ths Ernst & Young.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai sigoyro ayto;

REPPAS: Malista. To keimeno einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai den to jerei h etaireia;

REPPAS: Gi ayto den eyqynetai h kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Kamenos, milwntas sthn Kentrikh Epitroph ths N.D. eipe oti den mporoyn orismenoi na kalyptontai pisw apo nees biles amfisbhtoymenhs idiokthsias sthn Ekalh kai th Mykono, oyte na feygoyn apo thn plainh porta toy Polytexneioy, xrhsimopoiwntas diplwmatika aytokinhta, afoy eixan karfwsei toys syntrofoys toys. Mporeite na moy peite, poioi einai aytoi apo to PASOK;

REPPAS: Prepei na apeyqynqeite ston k. Kameno na einai pio sygkekrimenos. Opws oloi miloyn me sygkekrimena stoixeia, anaferomenoi se sygkekrimena peristatika, to idio prepei na kanei enas poliths, poly perissotero otan einai boyleyths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anaferotan ston k. Laliwth.

REPPAS: Kaleitai, loipon, o k. Kamenos na milhsei sygkekrimena. Ayth h meqodos ths lasphs apenanti se ena stelexos to opoio epaije "korwna-grammata" th zwh toy se dyskoles stigmes, gnwrizete oti einai mia dokimasmenh kai apotyxhmenh meqodos. H istoria mas einai gemath apo tetoies prwtoboylies laspologwn. Pisteyw oti aytoy toy eidoys h epixeirhmatologia einai ... kamenh apo xeri.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pantws, ston k. Laliwth anaferotan.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayth h epixeirhmatologia, aytoi oi isxyrismoi einai ... kamenoi apo xeri.

MIXAHL: Ypoqetw oti sas endiaferei san kybernhsh kai san komma, kai qelw na maqw se poio baqmo, oi diergasies poy ginontai stp gewgrafiko platos toy politikoy mas fasmatos, toso ws pros ta dejia sas me thn anastolh ths leitoyrgias toy kommatos twn Fileleyqerwn kai thn proswrinh dhlwsh toy k. Manoy oti den qa janaeinai me aytes tis synqhkes ypochfios, oso kai stis diergasies poy ginontai kai pros ta aristera sas me tis entones diafwnies poy katagrafontai sto eswteriko toy Synaspismoy. Se poio baqmo sas apasxoloyn kai pws proseggizete ayta ta fainomena sto politiko topio;

REPPAS: Asfalws, parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis stoys alloys politikoys foreis. O Synaspismos einai mia proodeytikh dynamh. Ta qemata poy ton apasxoloyn qa ta antimetwpisei me bash tis dikes toy eswterikes diadikasies. Oson afora ton k. Mano, einai enas sebastos politikos antipalos mas. Bebaiws, kaqenas prosferei sth leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias mas, diatypwnontas thn apoch toy. Exoyme anagkh apo tis diaforetikes fwnes. Pisteyw, omws, oti o ellhnikos laos einai kyriarxos kai einai aytos, se teleytaia analysh, poy epilegei kai apofasizei gia to poia prepei na einai h tyxh twn politikwn forewn kai twn politikwn paragontwn.

MIXAHL: O k. Laliwths kai alla stelexh toy PASOK kai eseis poly amydra, stis omilies sas sto Synedrio toy PASOK qijate ena qema: Tis sxeseis me ta kommata ths eyryterhs Aristeras. Ektimate, pia, oti sth nea pragmatikothta poy yparxei sto kybernhtiko stratopedo, dhladh to neo E.G. poy eklegetai shmera, alla kai to neo kybernhtiko sxhma tis epomenes hmeres, janaerxetai sto proskhnio ayth h prwtoboylia epafhs me to xwro ayto;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti ayto einai ena apo ta qemata poy qa apasxolhsoyn to Kinhma kai to E.G. Sto plaisio toy sxediasmoy gia thn epomenh periodo, metajy twn allwn, mporei na syzhthqei kai ena tetoio qema. Gnwrizete oti einai, kat` epanalhch, katagegrammenh h proodeytikh pleiochfia sto eklogiko swma. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai to PASOK, ws dynamh eyqynhs kai ejoysias, na exei anoikth thn epikoinwnia toy me tis alles politikes dynameis, idiaiterws me ekeines tis dynameis me tis opoies mporei na prokycei mia programmatikh symfwnia gia th diaxeirish twn ypoqesewn poy aforoyn to Eqnos kai ton ellhniko lao. Ayto, omws, einai ena qema poy qa to antimetwpisei to PASOK, me ton tropo poy qa apofasisoyn ta organa toy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela sto genikotero sxoliasmo sas gia to politiko skhniko kai ta nea dedomena, na prosqesete kai ena sxolio h mia proseggish ths kybernhshs gia th dhlwsh toy k. Abramopoyloy na diekdikhsei to Dhmo ths Aqhnas, efoson ginei Mhtropolitikos, kai an ayto prosqetei nea dedomena sthn politikh skhnh.

REPPAS: Oson afora th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy neoy sxhmatos, toy legomenoy Mhtropolitikoy Dhmoy, einai poly prowro na poyme otidhpote. Den einai toy parontos. Exoyn, kata kairoys, diatypwqei diafores skeceis. Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash. Den eimaste sto shmeio ekeino poy mporei na pei kaneis oti exoyme katalhjei se mia qesh, h opoia einai kai pros anakoinwsh. Afoy, loipon, ola ayta einai akomh sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn, den mporei na topoqethqoyme gia ena qema poy einai metagenestero. Ena qema poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme amesws meta, opws einai h epilogh twn proswpwn, efoson prokycei ayto to neo sxhma. Einai prwqystero, einai poly prowro na syzhthsoyme gi` ayto. Gnwrizete oti o k. Abramopoylos einai politikos antipalos mas. Emeis, tis epiloges poy kanoyme, oson afora to xwro ths Aytodioikhshs, tis kanoyme me gnwmona to symferon toy kratoys gia thn kalyterh leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn kai thn ejyphrethsh toy polith. Oles aytes oi allages poy syzhtoyntai, den prepei na xrhsimopoioyntai ws stoixeio enos politikoy h kommatikoy sxediasmoy. Ola ayta, qa prepei na ta aposyndesoyme, na ta doyme xwris to ena na ephreazei to allo. An prepei na paroyme mia orismenh apofash, qa thn paroyme me krithria poy den exoyn sxesh me tis kommatikes ejelijeis. Exoyn sxesh, mono me thn epiqymia mas na ejyphreteitai apo tis yphresies, poly kalytera apo o,ti shmera, o poliths kai tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws twra poy feygei ayth h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos emaqe poy phgan ta 50 disekatommyria toy Kthmatologioy poy mas zhta pisw h E.E.;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei gi` ayto to qema. Den yparxei apofash, toylaxiston mexri twra, wste na ypoxreoytai h Ellada na epistrecei ayto to poso sto opoio anafereste. Einai ena qema poy apasxolei thn kybernhsh. Qa ajiopoihsei ta mesa poy exei sth diaqesh ths. Pragmati, yparxei ayth h sxetikh epibarynsh, oson afora th mexri twra efarmogh toy sxedioy gia to Eqniko Kthmatologio. Ayto, omws, den exei na kanei se tipota me qemata diafaneias kai orqhs diaxeirishs. Exei apolyth synafeia me oti to programma ayto einai prwtognwro, exei enan pilotiko xarakthra. Epeidh, prwth fora efarmozetai ena tetoio programma, antimetwpisthkan dyskolies. Bebaiws, h peira poy apokta kaneis, efarmozontas gia prwth fora ena programma, apotelei ena kefalaio to opoio ajiopoiei se kaqe neotero programma ths idias h allhs morfhs. Ayto to opoio exoyme na kanoyme twra, einai na proxwrhsoyme kai na oloklhrwsoyme to Eqniko Kthmatologio, pragma to opoio einai apofasismeno. Exoyme pei oti oi poroi den qa leicoyn. Qa yparxoyn ta aparaithta kondylia gia na petyxoyme ayto to stoxo. Ola ta alla qemata poy aforoyn th sxesh twn ellhnikwn yphresiwn, me tis armodies yphresies ths E.E., qa antimetwpistoyn ypo to pneyma ths yperaspishs twn symferontwn ths xwras mas. Kai exoyme polla mesa sth diaqesh mas gia na epityxoyme, me ton kalytero tropo, to stoxo ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixate pei, omws, otan jekinhse to Kthmatologio, oti den qa plhrwsei o ellhnikos laos draxmh. Twra bazete 20 xiliades se kaqe forologoymeno Ellhna.

REPPAS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra, poy anakoinwsate oti qa ginoyn me eswterikoys poroys.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti etsi kai alliws, ayto to megalo programma se ena baqmo xrhmatodothqhke kai apo eqnikoys poroys. Kata ta alla, ayto poy prepei na krathsete twra, giati ayto einai to oristiko epi toy opoioy mporoyme na exoyme aposafhnismenh qesh, einai toyto: H Ellada petyxe na entaxqei sto G` K.P.S. ayto to megalo ergo, to Eqniko Kthmatologio, thn idia wra poy oi "Kassandres" ths antipoliteyshs proeblepan oti h E.E. den prokeitai na dexqei thn entajh toy Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy sto G` K.P.S. Kai monon oti exoyme ayth th qetikh ejelijh, epibebaiwnei oti eimaste sto swsto dromo kai oti oi epiloges mas ginontai me tropo ypeyqyno kai me bash to symferon ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy eipate poso qa epibarynqei kaqe Ellhnas gi` ayto to Kthmatologio;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh oikonomia, xarh sthn politikh poy akoloyqoyme, exei isxyres baseis kai mia ygihs ragdaia anaptyssomenh oikonomia mporei na antapejelqei se tetoies proklhseis, opws einai, epiteloys, h syntajh enos Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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