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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me antikeimeno tis prowqoymenes diarqrwtikes allages ston tomea armodiothtwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs.

Sthn eishghsh toy o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs anaferqhke sthn prowqoymenh idiwtikopoihsh ths ETBA. Gnwrizete oti exoyn katateqei dyo prosfores: Mia apo thn Agrotikh Trapeza kai h allh apo thn Trapeza Peiraiws. H ektimhsh gia tis prosfores aytes odhgei sthn epilogh ths epanalhchs, gia mia teleytaia fora, aytoy toy kykloy ypobolhs beltiwmenwn prosforwn apo thn pleyra twn dyo endiaferomenwn Trapezwn, prokeimenoy etsi na proxwrhsei ayth h diarqrwtikh allagh, efoson, bebaiws, oi nees -elpizoyme beltiwmenes- prosfores qa antapokrinontai se ayto to opoio prepei na diasfalistei gia na oloklhrwqei h idiwtikopoihsh ths ETBA. Meta to deytero kai, epanalambanw, teleytaio ayto kyklo h kybernhsh analogws toy periexomenoy twn prosforwn qa proxwrhsei stis epiloges ths.

Oson afora to qema ths DEH, poly syntoma, stis arxes toy Dekembrioy -kai bebaiws pantote ejetazontas tis dieqneis oikonomikes ejelijeis, to klima poy epikratei stis dieqneis agores- problepetai h eisagwgh sto Xrhmatisthrio me th metoxopoihsh enos posostoy, toylaxiston 10% toy synolikoy metoxikoy kefalaioy ths epixeirhshs. H DEH exei kanei shmantikh proodo. Antimetwpisthke kai lyqhke, se prohgoymenh fash, to asfalistiko problhma twn ergazomenwn. H DEH paroysiazei shmantikh, ychlh kerdoforia, poly ychloterh ayto to etos se sxesh me to 2000. Xarakthristika mporw na anaferw oti h kerdoforia ths DEH to 2000 efqane ta 12 disekatommyria draxmes, enw to 2001 fqanei ta 95 disekatommyria. Einai qeamatikh h ayjhsh twn kerdwn ths. Analogws, loipon, toy klimatos kai twn ejelijewn stis dieqneis agores kai symfwna me thn eishghsh toy Symboyloy, h DEH qa proxwrhsei me bash to sxedio poy exoyme ejaggeilei.

Oson afora ta Ellhnika Petrelaia, gnwrizete oti eimaste se anazhthsh strathgikhs symmaxias gia anaptyjh twn drasthriothtwn toys stis dieqneis agores. Exoyn ekdhlwsei to endiaferon toys, meta thn arxikh prosklhsh endiaferontos, treis foreis: O O.M.V ths Aystrias, h Koinoprajia PETROLA -LOYKO'I'IL kai h etaireia GIOYGKOS, rwsikwn symferontwn. Qa akoloyqhsei enas neos kyklos kata ton opoio oi foreis aytoi qa klhqoyn na kataqesoyn, pleon, sygkekrimenh prosfora, h opoia qa perilambanei afenos to timhma kai afeteroy to epixeirhsiako sxedio toys gia th leitoyrgia kai thn peraiterw anaptyjh ths etaireias ayths.

Oson afora thn etaireia Fysikoy Aerioy, th DEPA, gnwrizete poly kala oti sto metoxiko kefalaio ths symmetexei se pososto 35% h etaireia Ellhnika Petrelaia. To ellhniko Dhmosio exei ena pososto para poly ychlo. Qa doqei h dynatothta se foreis -kai h DEH mporei na ajiopoihsei ena pleonekthma poy exei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh- na apokthsoyn ena shmantiko pososto toy metoxikoy kefalaioy ths DEPA.

Epanalambanw oti h politikh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn epiqymoyme na proxwrhsei symfwna me tis ejaggelies mas. Bebaiws, oi xeirismoi mas gia epimeroys qemata qa ginoyn analogws kai toy klimatos poy epikratei stis dieqneis agores. Gnwrizete oti meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh stis HPA exei ephreastei dysmenws to dieqnes ependytiko kai oikonomiko klima.

Oson afora ton tomea twn aerometaforwn -gia ton opoio egine enhmerwsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, meta th symmetoxh toy sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Metaforwn ths E.E.- exw na pw ta ejhs: Anamenetai mia peraiterw kamch stis drasthriothtes twn aeroporikwn etaireiwn, giati twra thn periodo meta ton prwto mhna apo thn tromokratikh epiqesh, fqanoyn o apohxos kai oi synepeies ayths ths epiqeshs kai stis aeroporikes etaireies me poly pio entono tropo. H krish poy antimetwpizoyn oi aeroporikes etaireies proerxetai apo th meiwsh ths kinhshs, apo thn elleich endiaferontos ek meroys praktorwn na daneiodothsoyn drasthriothtes aeroporikwn etaireiwn, apo thn antidrash twn asfalistikwn forewn na ayjhsoyn se poly ychlo pososto ta asfalistra -kai gnwrizete oti elabe sxetikh apofash h E.E. na analabei to kostos twn epasfalistrwn- kai, bebaiws, apo ta metra asfaleias poy lambanontai, toso sta aerodromia, oso kai gia tis pthseis. O ypoyrgos Metaforwn anefere xarakthristika oti peran twn metrwn poy lambanontan mexri twra gia thn asfaleia twn pthsewn, eidikws stis HPA exoyn apofasistei nea metra twn opoiwn h efarmogh synepagetai ena kostos poy ftanei to 1,5 disekatommyrio dolaria gia ena xrono.

Egine anafora se diafores aeroporikes etaireies poy dierxontai krish ayth thn periodo. Exei apofasistei, me prwtoboylia ths E.E., mexri to telos toy xronoy na synelqoyn oi ypoyrgoi Metaforwn olwn twn xwrwn, opoy leitoyrgoyn aeroporikes etaireies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn pio apotelesmatika ta qemata poy exoyn prokycei.

Gnwrizete thn apofash -poy endiaferei ki emas- gia th xronikh paratash ths dynatothtas na xrhsimopoioyntai orismenoy typoy aeroskafh, ta opoia diaforetika qa eprepe na aposyrqoyn to Martio toy 2002. H paratash ayth exei diarkeia triwn xronwn. Afora idiaiterws thn O.A. giati apo to synoliko ariqmo twn 50 aeroskafwn, exei 12 aytoy toy typoy sto stolo ths. Kai bebaiws -opws sas enhmerwsa xqes- anamenetai thn epomenh ebdomada apo to Symboylo idiwtikopoihshs ths O.A. h sxetikh eishghsh toy gia ta peraiterw.

Sto plaisio ayths ths synedriashs yphrje enhmerwsh apo ypoyrgoys gia qemata ths armodiothtas toys. Kai qa mpw gia thn enhmerwsh sas, oso ginetai pio synoptika, sta dyo tria ayta qemata.

O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn mas enhmerwse gia tis ergasies toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn sto opoio symmeteixe, kata to opoio syzhthqhkan qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn apanthsh poy dinei h Dieqnhs Koinothta sthn tromokratikh epiqesh ths 11hs Septembrioy.

Ektimhqhke oti oi stratiwtikes epixeirhseis poy einai se ejelijh, fainetai oti qa exoyn mia shmantikh xronikh diarkeia, den qa oloklhrwqoyn grhgora. Ginetai prospaqeia na einai oso to dynaton pio apotelesmatikes. Symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exei ginei, fainetai oti mexri twra exoyn epiteyxqei oi stoxoi. H aeramyna exei ejoydeterwqei, opws epishs kai oi ypodomes poy xrhsimopoioyntan, exoyn teqei ektos leitoyrgias. Oi prospaqeies poy einai se ejelijh, aforoyn thn epidiwjh gia politikh diplwmatikh lysh sto problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei gia thn epomenh hmera sto Afganistan. Epishs, diatypwqhke h qesh pws den prepei na epektaqei ayth h stratiwtikh drasthriothta se alles xwres, pera apo to Afganistan.

Ena allo qema sto opoio anaferqhke o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn htan sxetika me tis prwtoboylies poy exei analabei sto parelqon h kybernhsh mas, alla kai prosfata, me thn episkech toy sth Syria, alla kai thn proqesh toy na episkefqei kai alles xwres sthn perioxh.

H qesh mas einai, oti qa prepei pragmatika o arabikos kosmos na exei thn aisqhsh oti symmetexei stis dieqneis ejelijeis, oti exei enswmatwqei kai diathrei ena shmantiko rolo stis prwtoboylies poy analambanei h Dieqnhs Koinothta gia thn antimetwpish kai ejaleich ayths ths mastigas. Den prepei na qewreitai oti einai se apokleismo o arabikos kosmos, giati ena tetoio synaisqhma poy kapoioi prospaqoyn na kallierghsoyn se megala tmhmata toy arabikoy plhqysmoy, stis legomenes moysoylmanikes xwres, odhgei se antidraseis oi opoies dysxerainoyn thn prospaqeia ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas na antimetwpisei kai na ejaleicei thn tromokratia.

Epishs, anaferqhke sto problhma ths Meshs Anatolhs, legontas oti o k. Anan exei enhmerwsei pws prokeitai na analabei syntoma sxetikh prwtoboylia gia thn epilysh toy problhmatos.

Egine logos gia thn anagkh o Pagkosmios Organismos Emporioy na epideijei endiaferon kai na anoijei tis pyles toy stis ftwxes xwres.

Prepei na proxwrhsei o dialogos metajy twn ekproswpwn twn diaforwn qrhskeiwn. Kai qa prepei na anadeixqei mia politikh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, h opoia brisketai se ejelijh. H efarmogh ths politikhs ayths synanta empodia. Opws xarakthristika eipwqhke, oi Talimpan katastrefoyn megalo tmhma ayths ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias h epixeiroyn na forologhsoyn ayto to yliko, kata th diakinhsh toy apo to Pakistan pros to Afganistan.

Teqhke, gia mia akomh fora, to qema twn prosfygwn. To eqese o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, protiqetai na to qesei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, kata thn ayrianh Synodo Koryfhs sth Gandh. Prepei na deijei endiaferon h E.E. kai na yparjei synergasia twn kratwn metajy toys, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei to megalo ayto problhma, poy afora, afenos tis swstes synqhkes gia th diabiwsh twn prosfygwn kai afeteroy, tis prospaqeies poy prepei na kanoyme apo koinoy gia na antimetwpisoyme ena kyma laqrometanasteyshs poy diogkwnetai, idiaiterws thn teleytaia periodo.

Epishs, me bash thn Apofash 1373 toy OHE, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei dwsei kateyqynsh kai prokeitai na ekdoqei, aytes tis hmeres, to sxetiko Proedriko Diatagma kata antistoixia ayths ths Odhgias, poy qa anaferetai sthn oloklhrwsh toy qesmikoy plaisioy gia to legomeno "pagwma" twn logariasmwn, otan ayto krinetai aparaithto kai gia toys logoys poy exoyme syzhthsei tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias anaferqhke stis synedriaseis toy ECOFIN poy elabe meros. Eipe oti yparxei mia sygkrathsh, oson afora tis ektimhseis twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. gia tis eperxomenes ejelijeis.

H Eyrwzwnh exei ena ryqmo anaptyjhs o opoios fainetai oti to 2001 qa kymanqei se pososto 1,5% anti toy posostoy 3,2% poy arxikws eixe problefqei.

Stis HPA, enw h problech htan gia ryqmo anaptyjhs se pososto 3%, fainetai pws qa pesei katw apo to 1% gia to 2001.

Gia thn Iapwnia eipwqhke, xarakthristika, oti brisketai se fash yfeshs, doqentos oti exei arnhtikoys ryqmoys anaptyjhs.

Oson afora to 2002, oloi htan epifylaktikoi. Synarthsan tis ektimhseis toys me tis politikes ejelijeis, fer` eipein me th xronikh diarkeia twn stratiwtikwn epixeirhsewn, me tis politikes anakatatajeis, oi opoies qa ephreasoyn kai ta oikonomika megeqh.

Gia thn Ellada exoyme apologistika stoixeia gia to prwto 9mhno, gia ta tria prwta 3mhna toy etoys 2001: Fainetai oti qa kleisei me ena ryqmo anaptyjhs gia to 2001 poy fqanei to 4,5%. Exoyme mia epidosh h opoia, oxi aplws yperexei, alla kineitai sto triplasio, se sxesh me thn epidosh poy exoyn kata meso oro oi alles xwres ths Eyrwzwnhs.

Epishs, anaferqhke sthn anagkh h oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqoyme na diakrinetai apo mia staqerothta, giati ayto poy proexei ayth thn periodo -opws sxoliasan kai alloi poy elaban to logo- einai akribws na diasfalisoyme ta kekthmena, na empedwsoyme thn asfalh prooptikh ths xwras mas, kai to aisqhma bebaiothtas kai sigoyrias gia to ayrio poy prepei na diakatexei toys Ellhnes polites. Ayto qa to epityxoyme me thn ejwterikh politikh mas kai tis diplwmatikes prwtoboylies poy analambanoyme kai poy einai h mia synistwsa. Opws, bebaiws, me thn amyntikh politikh mas, alla kai me thn allh ejisoy shmantikh synistwsa, thn oikonomikh politikh poy efarmozoyme. H oikonomikh politikh prepei na einai mia syneth politikh, mia politikh dhmosionomikhs staqerothtas, mia peiqarxhmenh politikh, poy qa exei bebaiws kai thn anaptyjiakh kai koinwnikh diastash ths, opws exoyme ejaggeilei, me tis prosarmoges poy prepei na kanoyme ypo to fws twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn.

O ypoyrgos Ygeias kai Pronoias mas enhmerwse poly syntoma gia tis prwtoboylies poy exei analabei sto xwro poy epopteyei. Eipe oti exei katartisei ena plaisio politikhs gia thn antimetwpish toy neoy kindynoy poy exei emfanistei. Opws gnwrizete, thn prohgoymenh Trith, egine syskech ypo thn proedria toy, me th symmetoxh twn epikefalhs diaforwn Organismwn kai Yphresiwn poy exoyn synarmodiothta gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn problhmatwn. Exei katartistei ena eidiko epixeirhsiako sxedio to opoio tiqetai se efarmogh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno kindyno ston tomea ayto.

O ypoyrgos PEXWDE mas enhmerwse gia thn katafanh yperoxh ths Symbashs poy eixe ypogracei to Ellhniko Dhmosio to 1995 me ton kataskeyasth toy neoy dieqnoys aerodromioy twn Spatwn, se sxesh me th Symbash poy eixe monografei to 1993. O ajiologhths, enas pagkosmioy kyroys Oikos, opws einai h Ernst &Young, exei katalhjei se ena porisma to opoio gnwrizete. Opws eipwqhke, xarakthristika, oi isxyrismoi poy epikalesthke tote h N.D., exoyn oloi katapesei me tropo panhgyriko. Eixe kindynologhsei tote h antipoliteysh, isxyrizomenh oti to aerodromio den eprokeito na leitoyrghsei. Kai thn periodo poy eprokeito na ginoyn ta egkainia toy neoy aerodromioy zhthqhke apo thn pleyra ths na ginei epiteloys ayth h sygkrish twn dyo Symbasewn, giati polys logos eixe ginei, mexri tote, kai apo th dikh mas pleyra. Pragmati, o anejarthtos aytos Oikos anelabe ayto to ergo kai to efere se peras me epityxia. Telika, apodeixqhke oti einai epwfelesterh, toylaxiston kata 100 disek. draxmes gia to ellhniko Dhmosio h Symbash poy ypegrace h xwra mas me ton kataskeyasth toy neoy dieqnoys aerodromioy to 1995.

Egine mia istorikh anafora se ola ayta ta qemata.

Epishs, egine anafora kai stis kataggelies poy exei kanei o k. Alafoyzos kai malista enorkws, oti eixe kataqesei xrhmata se logariasmo poy anhke se liberianh etairia. O k. Laliwths eipe xarakthristika, oti, opws fanhke, ta xrhmata ayta den phgan pote sto tameio ths N.D. Etsi prokyptei. Ayto isxyristhke tote kai o mhnyths.

Se teleytaia analysh, prepei na yparxei mia apanthsh sto qema ayto.

H anafora toy k. Laliwth sta qemata ayta perielabe kai th gnwsth antidikia poy eixe prokycei thn periodo ekeinh ths diadoxhs sthn hgesia ths N.D., otan eixe entopistei ena elleimma arketwn disek. draxmwn sta tameia toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. O neos tote arxhgos ths N.D., o k. Ebert, eixe kathgorhsei thn prohgoymenh hgesia gia to oti eixe dhmioyrghsei sta tameia toy kommatos ayto to terastio elleimma, twn peripoy 7 disek. draxmwn.

Telos, oson afora tis dhlwseis toy k. Manoy, o k. Laliwths eipe, oti h proseggish toy jekina apo mia lanqasmenh qesh. O k. Manos apajiwnei to ellhniko Dhmosio kai qewrei oti einai anikano na diaxeiristei kai na elegjei thn wfelimh leitoyrgia enos aerodromioy, opws kai allwn basikwn organismwn. Me ayth thn ennoia, otidhpote kai an exei kerdisei h Kybernhsh, beltiwnontas toys oroys ths Symbashs yper toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, me to na exei dhladh megalyterh symmetoxh sto metoxiko kefalaio toy neoy forea h me to na epanelqei sto ellhniko Dhmosio se mikrotero xrono apo o,ti arxikws problepotan me th Symbash toy 1993 h eyqynh toy aerodromioy sto ellhniko Dhmosio, ayto einai se baros toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, epeidh einai anikano kata ton k. Mano na diaxeiristei tetoioy eidoys leitoyrgies.

Milhse akomh gia thn katallhlothta toy aerodromioy, thn oloklhrwsh toy entos twn problepomenwn proqesmiwn, tis prodiagrafes poy thrhqhkan kata thn kataskeyh aytoy toy ergoy. Exei milhsei, epishs, kai enas anejarthtos Oikos kai malista dia ths ypografhs enos episthmona poy tyxainei na einai kai gios toy k. Manoy, poy anaferetai akribws sto neo aerodromio, kata tropo poly epainetiko.

Ayta eipwqhkan kata th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Oloi eipan oti, bebaiws, qa prepei na apokalycoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanei h N.D. na diastreblwsei thn alhqeia kai na spilwsei stelexh. Bebaiws, emeis qa yperaspistoyme to dhmosio symferon, prowqwntas mia politikh, h opoia, opws apodeixqhke kai sthn prajh, isxyropoiei dieqnws th qesh ths Elladas kai bebaiws, anabaqmizei to epipedo ths zwhs twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qelw na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, sto telos ths synedriashs, anaferqhke sth shmerinh hmera, kanontas mneia toy shmantikoy politikoy gegonotos, ths eklogikhs nikhs toy PASOK stis 18 Oktwbrioy toy 1981. Gia prwth fora tote ena Sosialistiko Kinhma, to PASOK, anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Me tis prwtoboylies toy Andrea Papandreoy, me thn politikh ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK dhmioyrghqhkan neoi qesmoi, prowqhqhke h eqnikh symfiliwsh, katoxyrwqhke h dhmokratia sthn Ellada kai h anejarthsia ths xwras mas kai, bebaiws, oikodomhqhke ena neo koinwniko kratos. Teqhkan oi baseis gia nees politikes proseggiseis ston tomea ths politikhs gia thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh kai thn pronoia.

Epishs, ston tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs, oi epiloges kai oi prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs htan shmantikes. Prosedwsan kyros kai enisxysan thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas.

Eikosi xronia meta, mporoyme na apotimhsoyme to qetiko ergo twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Se ayth thn poreia, me tis katallhles allages kai prosarmoges, analogws twn synqhkwn, prepei na poreyqoyme kai sto mellon. Exoyme isxyres rizes, ara exoyme kaqe logo na aisiodojoyme gia th nikhfora prooptikh toy Kinhmatos mas kai ths kybernhshs poy sthrizei to Kinhma mas. H synedriash ekleise me xeirokrothmata, meta apo ayth thn anafora sth shmantikh ayth hmera. Poly shmantikh gia oloys kai idiws gia polloys apo emas, giati ekleghkame tote, gia prwth fora boyleytes.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo ligo ypallhloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias elaban, opws lene, ena fakelo me mia leykh skonh thn opoia ekeinoi den gnwrizoyn. Exei dhmioyrghqei ena megalo problhma dioti h Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias isxyrizetai oti prokeitai gia askhsh, askhsh thn opoia den gnwrizan oi ypallhloi toy ypoyrgeioy. Qa mporoyse na mas dwsei h kybernhsh mia epishmh apanthsh gi ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete oti se qewrhtiko, toylaxiston, epipedo exei entopistei aytos o kindynos na xrhsimopoihqei, dhladh, to bakthrio toy anqraka sto plaisio tromokratikwn energeiwn. Prepei na poyme, gia mia akomh fora, oti h syzhthsh ayth poy ginetai se episthmoniko epipedo einai mia tekmhriwmenh syzhthsh. Kai parakalw ki eseis na symbalete, wste oi polites na deijoyn endiaferon gi aytes tis episthmonikoy xarakthra syzhthseis. Dinontai odhgies stoys polites gia to pws prepei na antidrasoyn kai na symperiferqoyn se opoia endexomenh energeia, h opoia metajy twn allwn perilambanei thn apostolh fakeloy me tetoio periexomeno. Shmera sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias, pragmati -kai den einai h monadikh periptwsh, exoyme plhrofories oti ayto ginetai se diafores perioxes ths Aqhnas h kai ths xwras- estalh enas fakelos. O fakelos aytos prowqeitai sto episthmoniko ergasthrio toy Nosokomeioy Eyaggelismos, prokeimenoy na ginei h katallhlh ejetash. Meta thn ereyna ayth qa mporoyme na poyme me bebaiothta an pragmati to yliko ayto mporei na dhmioyrghsei kindynoys. An perieixe, dhladh, bakthrio toy anqraka h aplws prokeitai gia mia energeia poy den einai tipota allo, para mia farsa kapoioy aneyqynoy sympolith mas, o opoios eixe ayth thn apokroystikh empneysh. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai na diathrhsoyme thn cyxraimia mas, giati an odhghqoyme se ena klima panikoy kai paralogismoy, tote to pio piqano einai na mhn exoyme kanena problhma apo to bakthrio toy anqraka kai na exoyme polla problhmata apo ena klima panikoy poy qa dhmioyrghsoyme emeis oi idioi. Prepei, loipon, na eimaste cyxraimoi ayth thn periodo. Bebaiws, exei entopistei -epanalambanw- se qewrhtiko epipedo kai aytos o kindynos ws yparktos. Gi ayto to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, oi armodies yphresies exoyn katartisei ena epixeirhsiako sxedio, symfwna me to opoio -kai me syntonismeno metajy toys tropo- antidroyn se aytes tis periptwseis. Qa anamenoyme ton elegxo, thn ereyna sto episthmoniko ergasthrio. Mexri tote den xreiazetai na poyme tipote allo.

KONTOPOYLOS: Einai askhsh;

REPPAS: Exei stalei ayto to yliko. Einai kati to opoio, ayth thn wra ejetazetai.

KONTOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete ean einai askhsh;

REPPAS: Otan lete oti einai askhsh, ennoeite oti to esteile kapoia yphresia; Sas lew, loipon, oti den prokeitai peri aytoy. Stalqhke ena yliko, to opoio prepei na ejetastei sto episthmoniko ergasthrio toy Eyaggelismoy gia na exoyme asfalh gnwsh. Alla, den qa prepei -epeidh to fainomeno ayto mporei na parei maziko xarakthra- na odhghqoyme se klima panikoy. Giati sas eipa oti to pio piqano einai na mhn exoyme problhma, telikws, apo to bakthrio toy anqraka kai na exoyme polla problhmata apo to klima panikoy poy emeis qa dhmioyrghsoyme me thn paralogh stash mas. Pantws, kalo einai na enhmerwnomaste apo toys episthmones poy syzhtoyn ayta ta qemata kai kalw ki esas toys leitoyrgoys twn MME na proseggizete kai na anadeiknyete ayta ta qemata me ypeyqyno tropo. Antilambaneste oti mporei na odhghqoyme akoma kai se kindynoys poy aforoyn thn koinwnikh synoxh mas, thn oikonomia mas, thn omalh koinwnikh zwh, an me akrito tropo proballoyme diafora peristatika, ta opoia, toylaxiston mexri twra, exei apodeixqei oti den einai tipota allo, para h ekdhlwsh mias farsas @epanalambanw- apo aneyqynoys sympolites mas.

MPOTWNHS: Jeroyme apo poy proerxetai aytos o fakelos; Apo Ellada, apo to ejwteriko;

REPPAS: Oloi aytoi oi fakeloi exoyn eggrafes oi opoies, den mporei na pei kaneis, oti einai egkyres, den mporei kaneis na tis ektimhsei. Einai fakeloi poy fainetai oti exoyn diakinhqei sto eswteriko ths xwras mas.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos eixe shmera apenanti toy melh ths kybernhshs, opws o k. Laliwths kai alloi, poy, endexomenws, na mh symmetexoyn sto neo kybernhtiko sxhma, toys eyxaristhse gia th mexri twra prosfora toys sto organo ayto;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Laliwth gnwrizete oti eixe synergasia xqes kai syzhthse mazi toy ta qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia toy kommatos. Gnwrizete oti th Deytera prokeitai na synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph, h opoia ejelegh meta to teleytaio Synedrio mas. O Prwqypoyrgos shmera, sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, eixe th dynatothta na epikoinwnhsei mono me ta melh ths. Ayto, sto opoio anafereste eseis, isxyei gia oloys. Bebaia, aytos o eyxaristhrios logos exei th qesh toy thn katallhlh stigmh, otan allazei h synqesh toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos. Den eimaste se ayth thn wra twra.

KARGOYDH: Hqena na rwthsw to ejhs: Eipate oti o k. Papantwnioy epeshmane oti, apo edw kai twra, h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs prepei na einai staqerh, lambanomenwn ypoch kai twn synepeiwn ths 11hs Septembrioy. Epeidh, sto Synedrio sas yphrjan koryfaia stelexh poy askhsan kritikh se ayth thn akoloyqoymenh oikonomikh politikh, epanhlqe kapoio stelexos sth diarkeia ths K.E.;

REPPAS: Den egine kamia allh diaforetikh proseggish apo allo stelexos. Allwste, exoyme milhsei, kat epanalhch, oson afora thn anagkh na proxwrhsoyme se prosarmoges ths politikhs mas. Kai sto plaisio ths katartishs toy Proypologismoy, aytes oi prosarmoges qa aforoyn katanalwtikes kai leitoyrgikes dapanes kai oxi dapanes gia thn koinwnikh prostasia, gia to Diktyo ths Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs.

ANANIADHS: Para to oti mas eipame th Deytera oti qa miloysate kai gia to qema toy Skaramagka, den anaferqhkate se ayto.

REPPAS: Anaferqhke o k. Xristodoylakhs kai eipe oti exei ypografei ena prosymfwno me th germanikh etaireia. Yparxoyn kapoies diadikasies, oi opoies prepei akomh na akoloyqhqoyn, opws problepei h arxikh prokhryjh. Aplws, htan gnwsto kai gi` ayto h enhmerwsh htan syntomh. Eipe, dhladh, oti exei ypografei to prosymfwno kai prepei na oloklhrwqoyn kapoies grafeiokratikoy xarakthra diadikasies.

ANANIADHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete dhmosieyma shmerinhs efhmeridas poy ypologizei se miso trisekatommyrio to ``panwproiki'' opws to xarakthrizei gia th germanikh etaireia poy qa parei apo thn pwlhsh twn Nayphgeiwn Skaramagka kai qa hqela na mas dieykrinisete, ean isxyei h apofash toy KYSEA, toy perasmenoy Maioy, oti qa metakylhqoyn ta ejoplistika programmata meta to 2006 h den isxyei; Kai, deyteron, telika treis-tesseris hmeres prin th nea kybernhsh, einai logiko na ypografontai symbaseis apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, ajias misoy tris, poy aforoyn eite promhqeies, eite episkeyes oplikwn systhmatwn apo thn etaireia poy pairnei me 2,1 dis ton Skaramagka;

REPPAS: Milate san na eimaste sta proqyra eklogwn, opoy gia logoys eyqijias, pragmati, kapoioi ektimoyn oti den qa htan katallhlh h proeklogikh periodos gia na lhfqoyn tetoies apofaseis. Eimaste, omws, sth mesh ths kybernhtikhs qhteias mas kai asfalws, h kybernhsh synexizei na leitoyrgei. H kybernhsh exei enothta kai synexeia kai oi apofaseis gia qemata, poy prepei na antimetwpistoyn prepei na lambanontai amesws. Oson afora to prwto qema, gnwrizete oti egine enas anoiktos diagwnismos. Kaqe endiaferomenos mporoyse na proselqei. Epelegh h sygkekrimenh germanikh etaireia, me bash kai thn protash poy ekane o Symboylos poy eixe proslhfqei gi` ayth th diadikasia, gi` ayth th diarqrwtikh allagh. Qewroyme oti ayth einai mia anoikth kai diafanhs diadikasia, h opoia qa bohqhsei thn peraiterw anaptyjh twn drasthriothtwn twn Nayphgeiwn Skaramagka. Ayto, einai mia qetikh ejelijh.

TAKHS: Eixame, shmera, mia nea antiparaqesh metajy toy k. Laliwth kai toy k. Mhtsotakh kai malista o ypoyrgos PEXWDE ekane mia sibyllikh dhlwsh, oti o k. Mhtsotakhs qa exei to telos toy k. Kol. Mporeite na ejhghsete ti shmainei ayth h dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti analogo qema syzhthqhke sth Germania, edw kai peripoy ena xrono. O k. Laliwths exei qesei sygkekrimena erwthmata, sta opoia den exei parei apanthseis kai einai wra na doqoyn aytes oi apanthseis. Giati, ean den doqoyn, den mporei kaneis na einai peistikos ypekfeygontas me xarakthrismoys, oi opoioi -qa moy epitrecete na pw- prosballoyn th nohmosynh twn Ellhnwn politwn. Prepei na eimaste sygkekrimenoi kai safeis se kaqe qema poy tiqetai kaqe fora. O k. Laliwths exei qesei sygkekrimena qemata kai ep` aytwn prepei na doqoyn safeis apanthseis.

TAKHS: Pantws, mia tetoia dhlwsh den dikaiologeitai mono apo erwthmata, ypotiqetai oti prepei na yparxoyn kai apodeijeis. Mhpws exei aytes tis apodeijeis;

REPPAS: Prwton, ean qelete na kanete enan tetoio dialogo me ton k. Laliwth, na rwthsete ton idio, eseis h oi synadelfoi sas. Deyteron, ayto poy kanei o k. Laliwths, to kanei me sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia epikaleitai. Kai prepei na sas pw epiprosqetws oti o k. Laliwths jerei poly kala poy paei kai ti kanei.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia th frastikh epiqesh poy ejefrase o k. Laliwths kai kata toy k. Royssopoyloy, apokalwntas ton ``Ceytoqodwro''.

REPPAS: Opws qa deite kai sta dhmosieymata ekeinhs ths periodoy, o k. Royssopoylos tote, ws dhmosiografos, eixe mia allh qesh kai enan allo rolo. Twra yperaspizetai mia allh qesh, toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ayto einai kati poy mporei na odhghsei esas na bgalete ta symperasmata sas. Shmasia exei, omws, na yperaspizomaste apo opoia qesh ki an eimaste th deontologia kai thn alhqeia. Emeis qeloyme na yperaspistoyme thn alhqeia. H allagh idiothtwn den shmainei oti prepei na allazoyme kai stratopedo, oson afora thn yperaspish h mh yperaspish ths alhqeias. Yperaspizomaste thn alhqeia me opoiadhpote idiothta exoyme kaqe fora.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na mas peite, pws sxoliase o Prwqypoyrgos sthn K.E. ta osa anefere o k. Laliwths.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws kai oloi mas, eipame -to anefera ki egw- oti pragmati yparxei mia prospaqeia apo th N.D. na syskotisei ta pragmata, na diastreblwsei thn alhqeia, na ektrecei thn politikh antiparaqesh se mia allh odo kai na spilwsei stelexh toy PASOK kai na akyrwsei etsi th dhmosia paroysia toys. Emeis qa antistaqoyme se ayth thn epixeirhsh ths N.D.. Qa dwsoyme tis katallhles apanthseis xrhsimopoiwntas, kaqe fora, tekmhriwmena stoixeia. Bebaiws, ayto einai to ena skelos, giati yparxei kyriws kai to skelos toy ergoy poy exoyme na epideijoyme. Kai sth bash aytoy toy ergoy, emeis qeloyme na sygkriqoyme kai na kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, se sxesh me th N.D.. Pisteyw oti, ta epixeirhmata mas, oi epiloges mas, h kybernhtikh politikh, apoteloyn ena pedio sto opoio einai fanerh h yperoxh mas kai ayto to katalabainei h pleiochfia, an oxi oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

SOYRMELIDHS: Eipe o Prwqypoyrgos oti emeis qa antistaqoyme;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti den qa epitrecoyme th diastreblwsh ths alhqeias kai th spilwsh twn stelexwn. Qa xrhsimopoihsoyme tekmhriwmena stoixeia gia na anadeijoyme tis qeseis mas. Kai bebaiws, me to ergo poy exoyme kanei kai me thn politikh ths kybernhshs poy exoyme sxediasei kai efarmozoyme, mporoyme na sygkriqoyme me th N.D. kai oi Ellhnes polites na krinoyn oti emeis olofanera yperexoyme se sxesh me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh. To ergo mas einai ayto, to opoio mas dinei to probadisma kai thn yperoxh enanti ths N.D.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ena allo qema. Yphrje opoiadhpote parainesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia epitaxynsh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn; Dioti ta perissotera paronta qemata "trexoyn" arketoys mhnes, na mhn pw kai xronia.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti egine enhmerwsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Diatypwsan kapoies apoceis osoi synadelfoi elaban to logo. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti prepei na synexisoyme kai na oloklhrwsoyme ayth thn politikh, dinontas ena mhnyma, idiaiterws se ayth th dyskolh periodo, gia thn proselkysh toy ependytikoy endiaferontos, oti exoyme staqerh politikh epilogh, exoyme grammh pleyshs poy einai atalanteyth, wste na oloklhrwsoyme kai ston tomea twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn ayto poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Qa to kanoyme ayto.

SOYRMELIDHS: Kai ena trito qema. Se o,ti afora th qesh poy diatypwqhke sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn ths E.E. gia th mh epektash twn epiqesewn, pera apo to Afganistan, qa hqela na mas janapeite, sas parakalw, poia einai h qesh mas se ayto to zhthma. Emeis eimaste yper ths mh epektashs h den eipame tipota; Kai an telikws ayth h qesh einai eniaia sthn E.E..

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti, opws mas enhmerwse o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy, oloi oi synadelfoi toy diatypwsan enan analogo problhmatismo, oti oi epixeirhseis aytes qa prepei na oloklhrwqoyn me epityxia sto Afganistan kai bebaiws oti den tiqetai qema epektashs toys se alles perioxes. Ayth einai h qesh thn opoia me ton enan h ton allon tropo diatypwsan oloi oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E..

Sas eyxaristw.

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