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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to KYSEA me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn politikh Eqnikhs Amynas kai thn Amyntikh Strathgikh Anaqewrhsh. Sto deytero meros ths synedriashs, o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos enhmerwse gia thn poreia twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn.

Kata thn enarjh ths synedriashs, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sth dieqnh sygkyria kai ekane ektetamenh analysh. Eidikotera: Anaferqhke sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs poy pragmatopoieitai shmera stis Bryjelles, me th symmetoxh twn kyriwn M. Staqopoyloy kai M. Xrysoxoidh. Ta qemata poy qa apasxolhsoyn toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys einai polla. Ta pio shmantika, sta opoia anaferqhke kai o Prwqypoyrgos, einai epigrammatika ta ejhs:

To prwto afora ton koino prosdiorismo ths ennoias ths tromokratias se oles tis xwres ths E.E. kai thn enarmonish twn oriwn ths poinhs fylakishs, analoga me thn parabash gia to sygkekrimeno adikhma.

To deytero afora thn kaqierwsh enos eyrwpaikoy entalmatos syllhchs, eniaioy gia oles tis xwres. H dhmioyrgia aytoy toy entalmatos syndeetai, epishs, me th diadikasia poy prepei na akoloyqeitai se kaqe xwra kai h opoia qa katalhgei sto shmeio, wste na ekdidetai -se sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma oxi megalytero twn enenhnta hmerwn- ekeinos gia ton opoio exei ekdoqei to sygkekrimeno entalma syllhchs.

Ayrio, opws gnwrizete, synerxetai ektaktws stis Bryjelles to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. H hmerhsia diatajh, se genikes grammes, exei ws akoloyqws:

Qa ejetastei h katastash sthn eyryterh perioxh toy Afganistan kai toy Pakistan.

Qa ejetastoyn oi epiptwseis apo thn prosfath tromokratikh epiqesh kai thn krish poy prokaleitai sthn oikonomia kai tis xrhmatopistwtikes agores.

Qa ejetastoyn ta metra, ta opoia qa apofasisoyn kata th shmerinh Synodo toys oi ypoyrgoi Eswterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs ths E.E.

Qa ejetastei h katastash sth Mesh Anatolh, ypo to fws twn teleytaiwn gegonotwn kai qa syzhthqoyn oi prwtoboylies poy prepei na analabei h E.E.

H eishghsh ths belgikhs Proedrias sthn ayrianh Synodo Koryfhs, opws tonise o Prwqypoyrgos, qa lambanei ypoch tis plhrofories kai ta stoixeia, ta opoia gnwrizei o Belgos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Misel poy episkefqhke tis HPA. Tis HPA episkefqhkan, epishs, o Gallos Proedros Zak Sirak kai o Bretanos Prwqypoyrgos Tony Mpler, oi opoioi qa syneisferoyn me th dikh toys plhroforhsh, etsi opws thn apokomisan apo tis syzhthseis poy eixan stis HPA.

O Prwqypoyrgos ekane anafora se shmeia, poy qa qijei me thn eishghsh toy, sth Synodo Koryfhs. Prwta ap ola, qa anaferqei sthn anagkh na yparjei entonoteros syntonismos kai stenoterh synergasia, metajy twn kratwn-melwn ths E.E., alla kai metajy ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Ayth h synergasia qa prepei na odhgei se sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Metajy twn allwn, qa prepei na lambanontai metra, wste na apofeygetai o dixasmos toy planhth se sxhmata toy typoy ``Borras-Notos'', ``ploysioi-ftwxoi'' h poloys ``diaforetikwn politismwn''. Tetoioy eidoys diaireseis, oxi mono den bohqoyn, alla dhmioyrgoyn kainoyrgia problhmata. To metwpo einai ena: Metwpo kata ths tromokratias kai olwn ekeinwn poy meterxontai th bia, thn tromokratia gia na epidiwjoyn opoiondhpote skopo.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti h E.E. kai oi HPA qa prepei na energopoihqoyn, na exoyn th symparastash kai th synergasia oso ginetai perissoterwn kratwn -kai oxi mono enos sygkekrimenoy kykloy kratwn- opws ayta poy symmetexoyn sthn E.E. kai to NATO. Epidiwkoyme thn eyryterh dynath synergasia gia thn antimetwpish kai ejaleich ths mastigas ths tromokratias.

Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio ayths ths koinhs prospaqeias, qewrei anagkaia thn parembash toy OHE. Gnwrizete oti exei anablhqei h Genikh Syneleysh toy OHE, logw ths teleytaias tromokratikhs epiqeshs. Ayto einai mia ejelijh poy mporei na pei kaneis oti sterei apo ton OHE th dynatothta na askhsei entonotera ton parembatiko rolo toy. Pisteyoyme oti to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE exei shmantikh apostolh. Epiqymoyme na exoyn qesh kai rolo ola ta melh toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, kata th diatypwsh ths telikhs qeshs toy OHE, poy apotelei kai th bash, dhmioyrgei to plaisio, entos toy opoioy qa kinhqoyme, gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na epityxoyme to stoxo poy exoyme qesei.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke akomh sthn anagkh na yparxei enas tetoios sxediasmos, sto plaisio opoiasdhpote drasthriothtas analhfqei, wste na epityxoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Giati, opws eipe xarakthristika, yparxei mia pagida poy qa prepei na apofygoyme: Na ginoyn, dhladh, energeies ypo thn piesh twn entypwsewn h ths koinhs gnwmhs, pragma to opoio mporei na odhghsei se drasthriothtes poy den qa exoyn sygkekrimeno qetiko apotelesma. Antiqetws, opws eipe, mporei tetoioy eidoys energeies na odhghsoyn se -entos h ektos eisagwgikwn- antipoina, tromokratika kai etsi na dhmioyrghqei enas neos kyklos bias kai abebaiothtas. H abebaiothta ayth einai poly kakos symboylos kai ephreazei polloys tomeis ths dieqnoys zwhs. Pisteyei o Prwqypoyrgos -kai einai koinh antilhch- oti sta qemata oikonomias qa prepei na eimaste prosektikoi. H katastash, asfalws, einai elegjimh kai ayto qelw na to epishmanw. Alla, h stash twn katanalwtwn, twn epixeirhsewn, oi antidraseis sto xwro ths oikonomias apo toys foreis poy emplekontai sthn agora, ejartwntai se shmantiko baqmo kai apo th xronikh diarkeia poy qa exei ayth h krish. Gi` ayto pisteyoyme oti qa prepei, oi opoies drasthriothtes analhfqoyn na odhgoyn se sygkekrimeno apotelesma, wste na mhn parateinetai ayth h abebaiothta.

Ta metra poy lambanontai -tonise o Prwqypoyrgos- prepei na einai tetoia, wste na dikaiologoyntai apo tis qeseis poy, kata kairoys, o OHE kai oi alloi dieqneis Organismoi exoyn diatypwsei. Qa prepei na exoyn ena poly sygkekrimeno stoxo kai apto apotelesma. Den qa prepei qymata mias opoiasdhpote prwtoboylias na einai amaxos plhqysmos, aqwoi polites, giati ta apotelesmata, se ayth thn periptwsh, qa einai teleiws antiqeta apo ayta poy kata to sxediasmo mas epidiwkoyme. Den prepei na prosferoyme, estw kai emmesws, bash politikhs dikaiologhshs, sthn pleyra kapoiwn, gia tromokratikes energeies. Ayto prepei na to antimetwpisoyme apofasistika.

O Prwqypoyrgos eqije, epishs, to poly shmantiko zhthma ths perifroyrhshs twn anqrwpinwn kai atomikwn dikaiwmatwn. Eipe xarakthristika, oti oloi osoi pisteyoyme stis dhmokratikes kai anoiktes koinwnies kai qeloyme na epikrathsoyn pantoy ston kosmo aytoy toy typoy oi koinwnies, den prepei me th stash mas na deixnoyme oti adiaforoyme gia tis ajies tis opoies presbeyoyme kai yperaspizomaste. To Syntagma ths xwras mas -opws kai ayta twn allwn prohgmenwn xwrwn- kaqorizei to plaisio sto opoio prepei na kinhqoyme, sebomenoi ta anqrwpina kai atomika dikaiwmata. Kaqorizei ton tropo prostasias kai perifroyrhshs aytwn twn dikaiwmatwn. H anqrwpinh zwh, h anqrwpinh ajioprepeia, ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata einai to kyrio oplo mas ston agwna kata ths tromokratias. Ayto den prepei na to jexname. Qa prepei oi politikes poy akoloyqoyme na epitygxanoyn, metajy twn allwn, thn perifroyrhsh aytwn twn ajiwn, aytwn twn dikaiwmatwn. Giati, ean efarmosoyme politikes poy den sebontai ayto to syntagmatiko plaisio, to koinws anagnwrismeno, tote h opoia drasthriothta kai energeia mporei na odhghsei se katarrakwsh kai se apajiwsh twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, alla kai ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias, oso kai an se epipedo rhtoreias h qewrias milame gia thn yperaspish kai thn proaspish toys. Einai, loipon, ena shmantiko stoixeio ayto to opoio o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti prepei na prosejoyme idiaiterws. Ola ayta -h yperaspish toy plaisioy twn ajiwn kai twn dikaiwmatwn- apoteloyn ena kekthmeno gia thn Eyrwph, to opoio den prepei na epitrecoyme na anaireqei, mesa apo energeies h draseis, oi opoies odhgoyn se antiqeta apotelesmata. Ayth einai mia poly genikh topoqethsh gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

O Prwqypoyrgos ekleise legontas pws syzhthsame to qema ayto sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs poy egine thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Shmera, ekane o idios thn eishghsh. Den akoloyqhse dialogos. Aplws, plhroforiaka proseqesan kapoia stoixeia poy aforoyn qemata twn tomewn toys, o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti eimaste se anoikth epikoinwnia me toys symmaxoys mas, sto NATO kai thn E.E kai parakoloyqoyme stena oles tis ejelijeis. Otan exoyme perissotera stoixeia kai pio kaqarh eikona qa apofasistei synedriash kapoioy kybernhtikoy organoy, wste na exoyme th dynatothta na paroyme oristikh qesh se praktiko, pleon, epipedo.

Oson afora to antikeimeno ths hmerhsias diatajhs, poy htan h politikh Eqnikhs Amynas, etsi opws thn eixame sxediasei kai se palaioteres synedriaseis toy KYSEA, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekane th basikh eishghsh, h opoia egine dekth. Sth synedriash toy KYSEA, stis 24 Maioy 2001, eixe eishghqei tis allages sth domh toy stratoy, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyme perissotero to diakladiko xarakthra twn yphresiwn twn triwn oplwn twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, gia na antimetwpisoyn tis nees anagkes, etsi opws aytes diamorfwnontai stis nees synqhkes. Analoges prosarmoges kanoyn kai oi alles xwres toy NATO. Kinoymaste, loipon, sthn idia kateyqynsh. H politikh Eqnikhs Amynas exei th bash ths sthn apofash poy phre to KYSEA, apo ton Aygoysto toy 1997. Yphrje polymhnh synergasia metajy toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas kai toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, prokeimenoy na diatypwqei ayto to plaisio arxwn kai kateyqynsewn ths politikhs Eqnikhs Amynas. Ta stoixeia ayta ta exoyme anaferei kat` epanalhch kai einai gnwsta: Einai to aparabiasto twn synorwn, h eqnikh amyntikh eparkeia, h diasfalish ths eirhnhs, ths staqerothtas kai ths asfaleias sthn perioxh, oi prwtoboylies gia thn prowqhsh ths eirhnhs sthn eyryterh perioxh, h antimetwpish kai h epilysh twn problhmatwn me eirhniko tropo, h yperaspish ths prooptikhs toy kypriakoy Ellhnismoy, h antimetwpish twn opoiwn epiboylwn apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias.

Kai bebaiws, ena neo stoixeio to opoio prokyptei kai pairnei mia idiaiterh qesh, idiws meta thn prosfath tromokratikh epiqesh stis HPA, einai ayto poy afora tis asymmetres apeiles. Yparxei mia prosarmogh ths politikhs mas poy lambanei ypoch ths ayta ta nea dedomena. Qa tyxei peraiterw epejergasias thn epomenh periodo. H nea katastash poy diamorfwnetai sth xwra mas kai se olo ton kosmo, apaitei na doyme tis nees proseggiseis, oson afora th sysxetish ths politikhs Eqnikhs Amynas kai ths ejwterikhs politikhs me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyn alla ypoyrgeia, alles yphresies gia thn eswterikh asfaleia kai thn eswterikh staqerothta. Sto plaisio ayto, phran to logo kai diatypwsan diafores apoceis synadelfoi ypoyrgoi kai sth synexeia egine mia ejeidikeysh ths politikhs Eqnikhs Amynas, oson afora thn Amyntikh Strathgikh Anaqewrhsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Den mpainw se leptomereies, alla se genikes grammes epanalambanw oti ayto afora th nea domh toy stratoy, prokeimenoy na enisxyqei h diakladikh synergasia twn yphresiwn twn triwn oplwn.

Epishs, yphrje mia enhmerwsh gia thn ejelijh twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn poy exoyme apofasisei se palaioteres synedriaseis toy KYSEA. H enhmerwsh ayth afora treis tomeis toy ejoplistikoy programmatos.

-O prwtos tomeas afora ta nea armata maxhs prohgmenhs texnologias. Ston katalogo paramenoyn pros telikh ajiologhsh tesseris typoi armatwn maxhs. To KYSEA apofasise na synexistei h prospaqeia apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, wste h ajiologhsh ayth na ginei meta apo enan akomh kyklo diapragmateysewn me toys endiaferomenoys promhqeytes.

-O deyteros afora ta aeroplana meshs metaforikhs ikanothtas. Einai dyo oi typoi poy exoyn parameinei se ayto to stadio twn diapragmateysewn. Kai gia to qema ayto, to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas qa synexisei tis syzhthseis, prin proxwrhsoyme sthn telikh katakyrwsh yper enos promhqeyth.

-O tritos tomeas afora diafora ejoplistika programmata kai gia ta tria opla. Kyriws, to tmhma ayto afora thn ajiopoihsh twn dikaiwmatwn poy exoyme, meta tis paraggelies poy kaname.

Oson afora to Strato, miloyme gia 24 epiqetika, opws onomazontai, elikoptera, ta gnwsta typoy "Apatsi". Epishs, miloyme gia 32 metaforika kai tessera ygeionomika elikoptera.

Oson afora to Naytiko, miloyme gia ton eksygxronismo ypobryxiwn, pyraylakatwn, torpilakatwn kai fregatwn poy exoyn apofasistei se palaioterh synedriash toy KYSEA. H apofash poy exoyme parei einai o eksygxronismos toy synoloy twn ploiwn na ginei se ellhnika nayphgeia, dhladh sta nayphgeia Skaramagka kai Eleysinas. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Egine, dhladh, mia anafora gia to pws ejelissetai to programma eksygxronismoy twn ploiwn se kaqe kathgoria. Miloyme gia dyo pyraylakatoys poy eksygxronizontai sta nayphgeia Eleysinas, gia tria nea ypobryxia kai ena akomh poy eixame ws dikaiwma na paraggeiloyme. To ergo ayto qa to ferei se peras to nayphgeio Skaramagka. Miloyme gia eji fregates typoy "S", gia ennea pyraylakatoys kai gia tessera ypobryxia typoy "Poseidwn". Opws sas eipa, to ergo ayto exei anateqei se ayta ta dyo ellhnika nayphgeia.

Oson afora thn Aeroporia, gnwrizete oti eixame apofasisei to 1999 thn promhqeia 50 aeroskafwn typoy F-16, me dikaiwma agoras 10 akomh aeroskafwn. H syzhthsh shmera aforoyse thn enhmerwsh gia to pws ejelissetai ayto to programma kai bebaiws, ton hlektroniko employtismo kai anabaqmish toy metaforikoy aeroskafoys C-130. Exoyme apofasisei gi` ayto kai einai se ejelijh to sxetiko programma.

Ayth htan h enhmerwsh gi` ayta ta tmhmata toy ejoplistikoy programmatos apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Den diatypwqhkan sxolia apo toys synadelfoys gia ta qemata ayta. H enhmerwsh htan plhrhs kai egine se ena klima synennohshs kai synaineshs.

Ayta htan ta qemata kai den syzhthqhke tipote allo.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYRMELIDHS: Sth synedriash toy KYSEA egine opoiadhpote syzhthsh allaghs dogmatos ypo to fws twn newn ejelijewn; Kai deyteron, an olo ayto to ejoplistiko programma, to opoio einai kai palaiotero, xwraei stoys proypologismoys kai an paramenei akomh ekkremothta se o,ti afora toys proypologismoys.

REPPAS: Apantw sth deyterh erwthsh sas. To ejoplistiko programma gia thn ejelijh toy opoioy enhmerwqhke shmera to KYSEA, exei thn oikonomikh kalych apo ton Proypologismo, me bash tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei sto parelqon. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Oson afora to prwto qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, den miloyme gia allagh amyntikoy dogmatos h genikws gia allagh dogmatos, miloyme gia prosarmogh stis nees synqhkes poy diamorfwnontai. Sas eipa, prin, oti pera apo tis symbatikes morfes, exoyme pleon tis legomenes asymmetres apeiles. Ayto lambanoyme ypoch mas. Omws ayto den prepei na sas odhgei sto symperasma oti dhmioyrgeitai ena neo amyntiko dogma kai oti allazoyn oi ajones, oi baseis panw stis opoies exoyme xarajei thn politikh gia thn eqnikh amyna ths xwras mas. Oi baseis aytes exoyn teqei -epanalambanw- apo to 1997. Ola ta alla, apoteloyn prosarmoges kai beltiwseis analogws twn synqhkwn poy prokyptoyn kaqe fora.

BITALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, sthn eishghsh toy, kanei anafora gia ton OHE kai tis qeseis poy, kata kairoys, exei parei. Mhpws, loipon, h ellhnikh kybernhsh skeftetai h opoiadhpote nomimopoihtikh bash gia thn opoiadhpote energeia apo edw kai pera, na perasei kai mesa apo ton OHE, ektos apo -ayto poy eipate ki eseis xqes- th Stratiwtikh Epitroph toy NATO;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o OHE exei dia toy Genikoy Grammatea toy labei qesh. Meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh o k. Anan exei probei se sxetikh dhlwsh kai exei kanei safh th qesh toy Organismoy. Epishs, to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE exei zhthsei thn ekdosh toy Mpin Lanten. Kai gnwrizete oti ayto apotelei palaioterh apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, h opoia epanalambanetai. Ayta ta dyo apoteloyn poly isxyra stoixeia sth diaqesh ths E.E., toy NATO, twn HPA, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn thn tromokratikh epiqesh kai tis synepeies ths. Ston agwna kata ths tromokratias, o OHE exei safh qesh. Kai epanalambanw ws pio prosfath parembash, ayth thn anakoinwsh-apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, opoy metajy twn allwn epanaferei to qema ths ekdoshs toy Mpin Lanten, pragma gia to opoio eixe apofasisei palaiotera. Den einai, dhladh, apofash poy exei parei meta thn prosfath tromokratikh epiqesh. Einai apofash poy exei labei me aformh alles tromokratikes prajeis sto parelqon.

KOYIN: Xqes, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, meta th synanthsh toy me ton k. Karamanlh, eipe oti eixe epikoinwnia me ton k. Tzem kai symfwnhsan na briskontai se stenh synergasia, dioti apo thn perioxh exoyn perasei o Mpin Lanten kai oi synergates toy. Mporeite na mas ejeidikeysete poia synergasia exei h Ellada me thn Toyrkia h an yparxei tetoia synergasia sthn eyryterh perioxh gi` ayto to zhthma;

REPPAS: Einai h synergasia poy exoyn oi dyo xwres sto plaisio toy NATO. Kai h Ellada kai h Toyrkia einai melh toy NATO kai sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn ths Symmaxias, ginontai syzhthseis, antallassontai apoceis. H synergasia einai se ejelijh gia thn antimetwpish enos sygkekrimenoy qematos. Den antimetwpizoyme, sto plaisio ayths ths synergasias, alla qemata. To dieykrinizw, epeidh akribws gnwrizete oti ypo thn aigida toy NATO ginetai, fer` eipein, h syzhthsh gia ta metra oikodomhshs empistosynhs. Alla, gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma, h synergasia mas ekteinetai sto shmeio ekeino poy oles oi xwres toy NATO synergazontai gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Den yparxei kati allo, peran aytoy.

KOYIN: Edwse o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kapoio xronodiagramma, oson afora to pote qa apofasisei to KYSEA gia ta dyo prwta programmata sta opoia anaferqhkate, sta tanks kai to metaforiko meso; Prin h meta apo ton Proypologismo;

REPPAS: Den egine xronikos prosdiorismos. Gnwrizete oti oi syzhthseis aytes ginontai analogws ths poreias me thn opoia proxwroyn oi diapragmateyseis. O ryqmos, loipon, me ton opoio ejelissontai oi diapragmateyseis kai o baqmos wrimothtas toy kaqe qematos, einai ta stoixeia poy odhgoyn sto xroniko prosdiorismo ths telikhs apofashs.

MIXAHL: Mas eipate gia poia qemata milhse o k. Shmiths sto KYSEA kai qelw na sas rwthsw, mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos ypainixqhke h diatypwse anoikta th grammh gia to ti qa kanoyme emeis sto NATO kai an mas exei ginei hdh protash, stis xwres-melh ths Symmaxias, gia na syzhthsoyme praktika th symmetoxh mas se mia endexomenh anameijh.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi antiproswpoi twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO exoyn kanei mia, kat` arxhn, syzhthsh, meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh stis HPA, oson afora thn ajiopoihsh twn diadikasiwn poy problepontai sto arqro 5 toy Kanonismoy toy Dieqnoys Organismoy. Den exei teqei opoiodhpote allo qema. Emeis, ayth thn wra -to exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, ayto- se politiko kai diplwmatiko epipedo, exoyme taxqei allhleggyoi pros tis HPA kai ton amerikaniko lao kai se synergasia me tis alles xwres ths E.E, alla kai toy NATO, eimaste diateqeimenoi na analaboyme sxetikes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na feroyme se peras ayth thn politikh, thn opoia, kat` arxhn exoyme apofasisei se qewrhtiko, se politiko plaisio, xwris omws na thn exoyme ejeidikeysei stis praktikes efarmoges ths. To qema, loipon, twn opoiwn metrwn, den exei teqei. Asfalws, sth synexeia kai ayto anamenetai na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs. Den eimaste, omws, ayth thn wra se ayto to shmeio. Ayrio, gia paradeigma, sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio qa ginei mia syzhthsh -ws fainetai- poy qa exei ena xarakthra kat` arxhn enhmerwshs kai epanabebaiwshs ayths ths atalanteyths kai asymbibasths politikhs gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na ejaleicoyme thn tromokratia. Qa ginei, loipon, mia syzhthsh ayrio. H synedriash jekina stis 6 to apogeyma kai oloklhrwnetai stis 8 to brady. Qa akoloyqhsei synenteyjh Typoy. Stis 9 paratiqetai deipno, opoy qa doqei h dynatothta stoys hgetes na syzhthsoyn pali ta qemata poy perilambanei h atzenta kai ta anefera sthn eisagwgh moy. Einai, loipon, swsto na epanalambanetai ayth h isxyrh boylhsh, ayth h politikh diabebaiwsh mas na symmetasxoyme se prwtoboylies gia thn antimetwpish kai ejaleich ths tromokratias.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw. Tote, ti nohma exei h xqesinh kathgorhmatikh diatypwsh toy k. Shmith, oti h Ellada qa symmetasxei; Dhladh, to aytonohto eipe; O Prwqypoyrgos, dhladh, me ayto poy eipe xqes, mas eipe kati kainoyrgio; Ayto prospaqw na katalabw, dioti apo xqes akoyw kai diabazw kai sxolia oti, to oti o k. Shmiths eipe "qa symmetasxoyme" kai oti ayto shmainei oti ayrio to prwi mpainoyme se mia diadikasia symmetoxhs, h opoia den jeroyme poia einai.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos, gia to qema ayto, milhse, toso meta th syzhthsh poy eixe me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, oso kai sto plaisio ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Emeis, kaqe mera, thn periodo meta thn Trith, 11 Septembrioy, syzhtoyme ayto to qema. Epishs, alloi ypoyrgoi poy exoyn armodiothta, exoyn anaferqei sta idia qemata. H qesh mas einai gnwsth: Anhkoyme se mia Symmaxia, exoyme sygkekrimenes desmeyseis kai ypoxrewseis, qa antapokriqoyme me bash ta osa problepontai stoys kanonismoys aytwn twn Organismwn, sthrizomenoi bebaiws sto gramma kai to pneyma toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn ths xwras mas. Eimaste mia xwra h opoia exei ajiopisth symbolh sthn antimetwpish tetoiwn problhmatwn, otan prokyptoyn sth Dieqnh Koinothta, se synergasia pantote me tis alles xwres ths E.E. h toy NATO, analogws. Ayth thn politikh stash thn exoyme aposafhnisei. Den exoyme opoiadhpote talanteysh, oson afora th symmetoxh mas stis Symmaxies kai thn antapokrish mas stis ypoxrewseis poy aporreoyn apo ayth th symmetoxh.

IWANNOY: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Mixahl, eimaste diateqeimenoi na steiloyme akomh kai strato;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei, den exei zhthqei, den exei protaqei tetoio qema. To exw pei kai allh fora, oti den einai orqo, einai epizhmio, emeis na syzhtoyme ena qema se ayth th bash, xwris na to exei qesei kaneis. Qa paroyme meros se aytes tis syzhthseis, qa diatypwsoyme tis apoceis mas, afoy akoysoyme kai tis apoceis twn allwn kratwn. Kai eimai apolyta bebaios, qa elega, oti oi apofaseis aytes lambanontai omofwna. Emeis den mporei na apoteloyme thn ejairesh.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na moy peite, ti gnwrizei h kybernhsh gia to dhmosieyma shmera ston ``ELEYQERO TYPO'' sxetika me ton aytoapokaloymeno ``apeleyqerwtiko strato ths Tsamoyrias'', ean pragmati h kybernhsh eixe kapoia stoixeia -nomizw oti anaferei apo ton Ioynio- gia thn yparjh kapoioy stratopedoy, alla kai gia thn yparjh ayths ths organwshs poy exei stoxo thn apeleyqerwsh ths ypotiqemenhs...

REPPAS: Stis armodies yphresies ths xwras mas exoyn perielqei aytes oi plhrofories, edw kai arketo kairo. Exoyn ginei oles oi energeies, oi elegxoi, oi ereynes. Den exei diapistwqei oti kati tetoio antapokrinetai sta pragmata.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Eipate prohgoymenws gia mia nea katastash poy prepei na antimetwpistei kai na proseggisoyme kai na sysxetisoyme thn politikh mas me allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn me stoxo thn eswterikh asfaleia. Einai se qesh h kybernhsh na ejhghsei ti shmainei ayto epi toy prakteoy; Yparxoyn kapoia sygkekrimena metra; Sas lew oti shmera anaferqhke se kapoies efhmerides, oti sto plaisio aytoy toy eyrwpaikoy entalmatos syllhchs, qa yparxei h dynatothta kapoios na ekdidetai kai na dikazetai, se syntomo xroniko diasthma. Exoyn akoystei polla. Yparxoyn epi toy prakteoy kapoies efarmoges, kapoia metra;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola milhsame gia tis asymmetres apeiles. Aytes oi apeiles den einai klassikoy typoy. Ara, xreiazontai nees proseggiseis gia na tis antimetwpisoyme. Tiqetai, pleon, ena qema eswterikhs asfaleias. O klassikos kindynos, gia thn kyriarxia kai thn akeraiothta mias xwras, htan kata paradosh ejwterikos. Twra o kindynos, sto plaisio aytwn twn asymmetrwn apeilwn, mporei na proelqei apo to eswteriko mias xwras. Einai poly diaforetika ta pragmata. Qa prepei, loipon, emeis na syntonisoyme th drash twn yphresiwn poy asxoloyntai me qemata eqnikhs amynas h ejwterikhs politikhs me th drash twn yphresiwn poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata eswterikhs asfaleias kai tajhs. Ayto einai to kainoyrgio qema poy prokyptei. Ayth h proseggish, thn opoia toso synoptika diatypwnw, mas odhgei sthn anagkh na paroyme apofaseis. Den exoyn lhfqei apofaseis, pera apo ton kalytero syntonismo twn yphresiwn.

Oson afora to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn sto shmerino Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs, gnwrizete kala -o Prwqypoyrgos to anefere me xarakthristiko tropo sthn eishghsh toy- oti to Syntagma ths xwras mas gia tetoia qemata perilambanei sygkekrimenes diatajeis, oi opoies, bebaiws, prepei na ginontai sebastes, na throyntai. Kai qa thrhqoyn apolytws kai aparegklitws. Ayto to opoio prepei parallhlws na tonisw, einai oti symmetexoyme se enan eniaio xwro, thn E.E. Sto plaisio aytoy toy eniaioy xwroy, qa prepei na apofasisoyme gia koines politikes kai na analaboyme apo koinoy prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme ena apotelesma se enan tomea, poy qewroyme oloi oti einai poly neyralgikos. Gia thn prooptikh twn xwrwn mas, gia thn prooptikh ths Eyrwphs, telikws. Ara, yp ayto to prisma kanoyme tis proseggiseis mas. Kai oi alles xwres ths Eyrwphs gnwrizete oti exoyn sygxrona Syntagmata, ta opoia anagnwrizoyn to sebasmo twn atomikwn kai anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Kai, bebaiws, problepontai diadikasies, basei twn opoiwn qa prepei na threitai ayth h syntagmatikh arxh. Emeis qa kinhqoyme, loipon, se ayto to pneyma.

KALARITHS: Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh kapoia stoixeia gia sxesh toy Mpin Lanten me ton UCK kai ean exei, ta exei ajiopoihsei sto plaisio ths antallaghs plhroforiwn me tis HPA kai toys alloys symmaxoys;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste oti tetoia qemata den mporoyme na ta syzhsoyme, sto plaisio mias dhmosias politikhs enhmerwshs. Oi armodies yphresies ths xwras mas, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn poly kala, opoia stoixeia exoyn ta ajiologoyn kai ta ajiopoioyn. Epishs kai opoia stoixeia perierxontai apo alles xwres sth diaqesh twn yphresiwn ths xwras mas kai ayta ajiopoioyntai sto plaisio ths synergasias, gia na epityxoyme ton koino skopo.

KALARITHS: Ypo to fws twn newn synqhkwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai kai me tis asymmetres apeiles, yparxei skeptikismos sthn kybernhsh gia thn politikh poy akoloyqhse, ths anejelegkths laqrometanasteyshs kai ths mazikhs nomimopoihshs katopin;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti to zhthma ths metanasteyshs, idiws ths laqrometanasteyshs -epeidh exei parei ejarsh h laqrometanasteysh thn teleytaia periodo sth xwra mas- einai para poly shmantiko. Einai mia parametros sthn opoia dinoyme idiaiterh shmasia, giati h xwra mas -kai einai xarakthristiko ayto poy qa pw- exei 18 xiliades xiliometra mhkos aktogrammhs, otan oloklhrh h afrikanikh hpeiros exei molis 20 xiliades xiliometra. Kai ayto kanei poly dyskolh thn prospaqeia mas, poly perissotero otan briskomaste se ayth thn perioxh kai apo anatolas gnwrizete oti yparxoyn kymata politwn, apo polles xwres, poy anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh, mia kalyterh zwh, epidiwkoyn na perasoyn sth Dysh. Emeis eimaste h prwth xwra, an oxi paramonhs toys, toylaxiston ypodoxhs toys, etsi opws to antilambanontai ekeinoi. Katalabainete poso dyskolh einai h prospaqeia mas. Kai ston tomea ayto epizhtoyme th synergasia ths geitonikhs xwras, ths Toyrkias, h opoia xrhsimopoieitai apo organwmena diktya egklhmatiwn, oi opoioi askoyn ayto to ``epaggelma'' na diakinoyn laqrometanastes, enanti adras amoibhs, me synepeies, polles fores, lyphres. Giati apeileitai h zwh twn laqrometanastwn. Miloyme gia mikra paidia, gia gynaikes, gia hlikiwmenoys, oi opoioi metaferontai me epikindyna ploia h me sxedies kai katw apo dyskoles synqhkes, nyxterines wres. Dystyxws, ayto einai to problhma toys. Epiqymoyme h synergasia mas me thn Toyrkia na einai pio apodotikh ston tomea ayto. Hdh, to sygkekrimeno qema apetelese kai antikeimeno syzhthshs metajy twn politikwn dieyqyntwn twn ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn twn dyo xwrwn, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, sto plaisio ths taktikhs epikoinwnias kai synergasias toys, opws thn exoyn kaqierwsei.

KOYIN: Mia dieykrinhsh se ayto poy eipate: Opws gnwrizete kai prin apo dyo hmeres eixame ena peristatiko me ena ploio me 300 laqrometanastes. Meta apo ayth thn epikoinwnia poy yphrxe anamesa stoys dyo politikoys dieyqyntes exei ejetastei h ejetazetai to problhma poy mporei na prokycei apo ena kainoyrgio reyma laqrometanastwn, sto endexomeno na yparjei kapoia syrrajh h kapoia anataraxh sthn perioxh;

REPPAS: Eipa oti ayto einai ena apo ta megala qemata. Ayto einai poly shmantiko zhthma gia emas. Epiqymoyme th synergasia me thn Toyrkia, giati qewroyme oti xwris aythn einai sxedon adynato na epityxoyme 100% toys stoxoys mas ston tomea ayto, na mhdenisoyme, dhladh, th laqrometanasteysh. Apo thn allh, me syntonismo twn energeiwn mas, exoyme petyxei shmantika ston tomea ayto. Exei meiwqei ayto to reyma, alla prepei na sas pw oti ayjanetai synexws h piesh. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na enteinoyme ki emeis thn prospaqeia mas. Qa fqasoyme 100% stoys stoxoys mas, an synergastoyme pio apotelesmatika me th geitonikh xwra. Einai ena qema poy to qetoyme epitaktika, sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn poy exoyme.

MPOYATAR: Dedomenoy oti ektos apo to problhma twn laqrometanastwn, yparxei ki ena allo problhma endexomenhs dieisdyshs ejtremistikwn stoixeiwn, qa hqela na rwthsw ean sthn piesh poy askeitai apo thn Ellada pros thn Toyrkia gia kalyterh astynomeysh twn aktwn ths, pleon h Ellada exei thn yposthrijh twn allwn kratwn-melwn ths E.E. kai toy NATO;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Ellada symmetexei sth Synqhkh Sengken. Ta synora mas qewroyntai synora kai twn xwrwn poy symmetexoyn se ayth th Synqhkh. H fylajh twn synorwn mas ginetai epistamenws. Alla, bebaiws, logw aytoy toy problhmatos, ths idiaiterothtas dhladh ths xwras mas, oson afora to mhkos ths aktogrammhs ths, den mporei na exoyme ta arista apotelesmata. Ta synora ths xwras mas, idiaiterws ta qalassia synora, fylassontai eparkws. Ayto einai to mhnyma poy prepei na dwsoyme. Oi prospaqeies poy kanoyme, omws, den qa exoyn ta analoga apotelesmata, an den yparxei synergia kai ths allhs pleyras, ths geitonikhs xwras. Ayto epidiwkoyme kai qetoyme epitaktika to qema ayto se kaqe syzhthsh mas.

IWANNOY: O k. Papandreoy, xqes, sthn enhmerwsh poy eixe sthn Epitroph Amynas kai Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn epishmane ton kindyno apo to ena ekatommyrio prosfyges peripoy poy briskontai sta synora Iran-Toyrkias kai malista se kapoio shmeio eqese kai to qema epaneisdoxhs aytwn twn prosfygwn. Exete kati perissotero na mas peite, gyrw apo ayto;

REPPAS: Pragmati, kai shmera kateqese ayth thn plhroforia o k. Papandreoy, kata th synedriash toy KYSEA. H qesh mas paramenei ayth poy aneptyja kai prin: Den prokeitai na epitrecoyme se opoiondhpote laqrometanasth na eiselqei sthn Ellada. Se periptwsh poy syllambanetai laqrometanasths, qa yparxei synennohsh gia thn epanaprowqhsh toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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