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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Ioynioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, na moy epitrecete na kanw mia dhlwsh gia to qema twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn poy leitoyrgoyn sto nomo Attikhs, qema poy empiptei ston tomea twn armodiothtwn moy ws Ypoyrgos Typoy.

Epeidh diabazw sxetika dhmosieymata kai epeidh legontai polla gia to qema ayto, pisteyw oti me th dhlwsh moy qa katatopistoyn aytoi poy endiaferontai na plhroforhqoyn ti akribws symbainei sxetika me to qema ayto.

Gnwrizete oti h politikh mas sto xwro twn MME xarakthrizetai apo to triptyxo nomimothta - diafaneia - poiothta.

To qema poy exei prokycei gia th leitoyrgia radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto nomo Attikhs aptetai ths ptyxhs ths nomimothtas.

Pisteyoyme oti oi teleytaies ejelijeis exoyn epibebaiwsei thn orqothta ths politikhs epiloghs mas gia th diakoph leitoyrgias enos orismenoy ariqmoy radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto nomo Attikhs.

Me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai gia thn asfaleia twn pthsewn labame ayth thn apofash. To oti einai orqh ayth h apofash prokyptei kai apo thn ekqesh-porisma twn triwn kaqhghtwn, oi opoioi katalhgoyn sth qesh oti, me bash ta shmerina dedomena sto nomo Attikhs mporoyn na leitoyrgoyn 28 radiofwnikoi staqmoi. O ariqmos twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn mporei na anelqei, kata anwtato orio, stoys 39 -kata thn ekqesh pantote twn sygkekrimenwn kaqhghtwn- efoson, bebaiws, prohghqoyn orismenes texnikes allages kai dieyqethseis, efoson throyntai aysthres proypoqeseis, oson afora ton elegxo leitoyrgias aytwn twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn kai bebaiws efoson h allagh ayth -h ayjhsh, dhladh, toy ariqmoy twn leitoyrgoyntwn staqmwn- akoloyqhsei enan anasxediasmo toy xarth syxnothtwn, qema to opoio oi idioi oi kaqhghtes xarakthrizoyn ws ena sobaro problhma.

Ara, loipon, oydeis -akomh kai oi kaqhghtes me thn ekqesh toys, thn opoia oi endiaferomenoi idiaiterws anemenan- proteinei na leitoyrghsoyn sto nomo Attikhs oi 86 radiofwnikoi staqmoi, oi staqmoi dhladh poy leitoyrgoysan mexri protinos, mexri na laboyme ayth thn politikh apofash. Giati, an symbei kati tetoio, tote dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata kai kindynoi gia thn asfaleia twn pthsewn.

Pisteyw oti h qesh ayth apotelei thn kalyterh epibebaiwsh gia thn orqothta ths dikhs mas epiloghs kai thn kalyterh apanthsh se oloys ekeinoys toys idiwtikoys foreis, oi opoioi zhtoyn th leitoyrgia oyte ligo - oyte poly 86 radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto nomo Attikhs.

Me anafora sthn protajh toy dhmosioy symferontos, enanti twn opoiwn allwn aithmatwn idiwtwn - epixeirhmatiwn, to idio to Symboylio ths Epikrateias (StE) aperrice oles tis aithseis anastolhs poy eixan katateqei se ayto kai tis opoies syzhthse. To xroniko diasthma poy mesolabhse apo thn aporrich aytwn twn aithsewn anastolhs einai mikro. Den exei allajei tipota, oson afora thn proaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos kai th diasfalish twn pthsewn. Antiqetws, ayto to opoio mesolabhse -mporei na pei kaneis- einai h dhmosiopoihsh ayths ths ekqeshs twn eidikwn, texnikwn kaqhghtwn poy epibebaiwnoyn oti den einai dynato, den einai efikto na leitoyrgoyn 86 radiofwnikoi staqmoi sto nomo Attikhs, giati ayto dhmioyrgei problhmata kai polloys kindynoys.

Epeidh polla grafontai kai poly perissotera legontai gia to qema ayto, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h leitoyrgia enos radiofwnikoy staqmoy den einai mia synhqhs epixeirhmatikh, epaggelmatikh drasthriothta. Einai mia kata paraxwrhsh dhmosia yphresia. Ayto shmainei oti h leitoyrgia enos hlektronikoy MME ypokeitai se aysthroys kanones kai elegxoys, oson afora th nomimothta leitoyrgias toy.

To StE einai to anwtato dioikhtiko dikasthrio ths xwras mas. Oi apofaseis toy einai pantote sebastes kai prepei na ginontai dektes kai na efarmozontai, giati einai xreos olwn mas na yperaspizomaste to dhmosio symferon enanti twn opoiwn aithmatwn apo idiwtes -giati to dhmosio symferon protassetai enanti toy opoioy idiwtikoy symferontos- kai bebaiws na throyme th nomimothta kai na mhn ayqairetoyme.

H apofash poy phrame gia th diakoph leitoyrgias enos orismenoy ariqmoy radiofwnikwn staqmwn einai apofash thn opoia oydeis, akomh kai oi pleon eidikoi, oi kaqhghtes poy ekponhsan th sxetikh meleth, mporei na amfisbhthsei. Ayto mas dinei thn ikanopoihsh oti kaname to xreos mas gia na diasfalisoyme to dhmosio symferon kai etsi na mporoyn oi armodies yphresies na eggywntai thn asfaleia twn pthsewn.

O xronos entos toy opoioy to StE asxolhqhke me ayto to qema, mporei na pei kaneis -me bash ta synhqh dedomena- einai xronos asfyktikos, mikros, taxys, giati pragmati se mikro xroniko diasthma apo tote poy katateqhkan oi sxetikes prosfyges, to StE orise dikasimo kai asxoleitai me thn ypoqesh ayth, prokeimenoy na ekdwsei thn apofash toy. Ayto mporei na ejhghqei apo to oti tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis prokaloyn ena meizon endiaferon, exoyn mia ajia megalyterh apo thn ajia h th shmasia poy exoyn oi synhqeis ypoqeseis.

Se pragmatiko epipedo ayto poy exei shmasia einai na oloklhrwqei h prospaqeia ths Politeias gia thn aposafhnish toy radiothleoptikoy pedioy, idiws gia th leitoyrgia, me nomimo pleon tropo, me bash th xorhghsh sygkekrimenwn adeiwn, twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto nomo Attikhs.

To Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs (ESR) poy einai h armodia anejarthth arxh - afoy exei oloklhrwqei h sxetikh ergasia sto armodio klimakio toy poy exei diatypwsei th qesh toy- exei hdh eiselqei sto teleytaio stadio gia na labei th sxetikh apofash. To ESR elpizw kai pisteyw oti se syntomo xroniko diasthma, logw akribws ayths ths shmasias poy exei to sygkekrimeno zhthma, qa labei thn telikh apofash toy, wste sth synexeia emeis na exoyme th dynatothta, kata thn armodiothta poy exoyme, na ekdwsoyme tis telikes adeies gia th leitoyrgia twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn, toys opoioys qa epilejei to ESR.

Ayta hqela na pw gia na exoyn oloi mia plhrh eikona gia to pws kinoymaste se ayton ton tomea.

Epanalambanw -kai kleinw etsi- oti oydeis, akomh kai oi kaqhghtes poy ekponhsan th sxetikh meleth, dexetai oti einai dynato na leitoyrgoyn oi 86 radiofwnikoi staqmoi sto nomo Attikhs, oi staqmoi dhladh poy leitoyrgoysan mexri protinos kai oi opoioi mesw twn ekproswpwn toys zhtoyn apo to StE na epitrapei kai pali h leitoyrgia toys. Oydeis to proteinei ayto. Oloi epishmainoyn oti kati tetoio odhgei se megaloys kindynoys gia thn asfaleia twn pthsewn kai bebaiws antistrateyetai ej aytoy toy logoy to dhmosio symferon. Emeis protajame to dhmosio symferon kai ayto oydeis mporei na to agnohsei kai na to amfisbhthsei. H proaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos apotelese pantote, sto synolo ths politikhs mas, alla kai sto sygkekrimeno tomea, to gnwmona gia na lambanoyme tis apofaseis mas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws yparxoyn kai alles apofaseis toy StE poy akyrwnoyn tis dikes sas apofaseis;

REPPAS: Kamia tetoia apofash den yparxei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa doqoyn twra oi 39 adeies;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti gia to qema ayto exei synedriasei h Epitroph Apotimhshs Texnologias ths Boylhs, me thn paroysia kai toy armodioy Yfypoyrgoy Metaforwn. Kat` arxhn, h protash gia th leitoyrgia 39 radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto nomo Attikhs einai epilogh poy briskei symfwnh thn kybernhsh. O armodios Ypoyrgos Metaforwn exei pei oti h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy symfwnei. Aplws, opws allwste to proteinoyn oi idioi oi eidikoi kaqhghtes, qa prepei na ginoyn prohgoymenws orismenes texnikes allages kai dieyqethseis, wste na einai efikth h leitoyrgia twn staqmwn aytwn xwris na dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Giati oi idioi oi kaqhghtes sthn ekqesh toys, h opoia einai sth diaqesh sas, anaferoyn oti oi staqmoi poy mporei na leitoyrghsoyn, ypo tis shmerines proypoqeseis, einai 28. Oi 39 qa mporoyn na leitoyrghsoyn, efoson prohgoymenws antimetwpistoyn orismena zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati allo. Lete oti oi apofaseis toy StE einai sebastes apo thn kybernhsh. Efoson einai sebastes, giati den efarmozete thn apofash poy bghke gia to oikogeneiako epidoma;

REPPAS: Ayth h apofash toy StE den afora isxyonta nomo, alla katarghqenta. Ejetazetai o tropos efarmoghs ths. H apofash toy StE ermhneyetai apo polloys me tetoio tropo, o opoios allazei oysiastika to periexomeno ths, giati ths dinei mia anadromikh isxy h ths dinei mia diastash, thn opoia apo monh ths h apofash den exei. H efarmogh ths apofashs ayths apotelei antikeimeno ejetashs, sto plaisio twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn toy Dhmosioy. Ara, loipon, den yparxei kanena qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa efarmostei;

REPPAS: Exei apanthsei h kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei eji mhnes poy exei bgei h apofash, pote qa apanthsei;

REPPAS: Me bash thn apofash ayth h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh analoghs politikhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O,ti sas symferei kanete.

REPPAS: Blepete, loipon, oti orismenes apofaseis ekdidontai afoy parelqei polys xronos. Alles ypoqeseis xronizoyn sto StE kai alles antimetwpizontai me taxytatoys ryqmoys. Kaqe yphresia, qa moy epitrecete na pw kata to logo ths armodiothtas ths, prepei na afeqei na parei tis apofaseis ths, sto plaisio pantote ths nomimothtas kai me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Ayta pantote prytaneyoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, eipate edw "afhste ton Prwqypoyrgo, einai diko toy qema o anasxhmatismos"...

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ... meta to brady, dioxeteyate alla. Oti den to eipate. Ti akribws qa ginei;

REPPAS: Asfalws, den eipa "afhste ton Prwqypoyrgo na kanei anasxhmatismo". Sas kalw na moy deijete poy akribws eipa ayth th lejh poy isxyrizeste oti eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, afhste ton Prwqypoyrgo na apofasisei.

REPPAS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, apantwntas se erwthsh, eipa oti oloi anagnwrizoyn pws to qema toy anasxhmatismoy empiptei stis armodiothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ara, loipon, den prepei na toys apasxolei. Den eida, omws, na ermhneyete ayth th qesh moy me tetoio tropo, wste na odhghqeite na gracete oti o k. Reppas eipe oti o Prwqypoyrgos asxoleitai me ton anasxhmatismo. Xqes, apanthsa se sygkekrimenh erwthsh synadelfoy sas, o opoios eipe oti o k. Skandalidhs, milwntas se kapoio Meso Enhmerwshs, dhlwse pws exei enstiktwdws thn entypwsh pws pame grhgora se allages. Apanthsa oti "aytes einai apoceis toy k. Skandalidh. Gia qemata poy einai ths armodiothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy, afhste na pairnei tis apofaseis gia ta qemata ayta o Prwqypoyrgos". Ayto ti shmainei; Eipa to aytonohto. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. An eseis eixate kapoia entypwsh oti afhnw anoikto to endexomeno anasxhmatismoy, opws proekyce sth synexeia, giati den me rwtoysate gia na mh meinete me thn aporia kai na mhn exete kamia amfibolia; Afoy h erwthsh den perieixe -qa moy epitrecete na pw- ayth thn anafora, an dhladh qa ginei h oxi anasxhmatismos, mporoysate na me rwthsete eyqews, amesws meta, gia na deite me thn apanthsh poy qa edina poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai etsi na apofygete na mpeite se ayth thn peripeteia, na grafete dhladh pragmata poy toylaxiston den antapokrinontai stis qeseis mas. Giati, den ejefrasa tetoia qesh.

BITALHS: Sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, o Prwqypoyrgos exei katalhjei sto qema toy anasxhmatismoy;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Exw apanthsei gi` ayto to qema. Den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy. Giati den moy kanate ayth thn erwthsh xqes kai thn kanete me kaqysterhsh 24 wrwn;

BITALHS: Lete oti den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy. Xqes to brady, ta perissotera thleoptika deltia eidhsewn poy eida kai ta dhmosieymata poy blepoyme shmera stis efhmerides, exoyn akomh kai se eisagwgika fraseis stenwn synergatwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti exoyn wrimasei oi synqhkes toy anasxhmatismoy. Ayto, dhladh, den shmainei tipota;

REPPAS: Kaneis apo toys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy h alloys paragontes, exei anaferqei sto qema ayto me ton tropo poy eseis qetete. Oydeis. H qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai safhs kai thn exoyme ekfrasei kat` epanalhch. Den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

BITALHS: Ayta poy metadoqhkan, xqes, apo egkyroys kai kaloys synadelfoys kai ayta poy grafontai shmera, einai dhladh sth fantasia toys;

REPPAS: Ekproswpw thn kybernhsh, den ekproswpw toys synadelfoys sas.

BITALHS: Einai sth fantasia twn dhmosiografwn;

REPPAS: Den qa to krinw egw ayto. Giati, prwth fora grafete gia qemata poy den epibebaiwnontai;

BITALHS: Prwth fora blepete tis fraseis synergatwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy se eisagwgika gia megala qemata;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti apo tis fraseis aytes entos eisagwgikwn stis opoies anafereste, poyqena den prokyptei oti to symperasma poy prepei na bgei, apo ayton poy tis diabazei h tis akoyei, einai oti odhgoymaste se anasxhmatismo. Den prokyptei apo poyqena ayto. Oydeis apo toys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy eqese tetoio qema. Eimai safhs kai kathgorhmatikos gia na mhn yparxoyn paranohseis.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na moy peite th shmerinh qesh ths kybernhshs gia ton anasxhmatismo.

REPPAS: H shmerinh qesh ths kybernhshs einai idia me th xqesinh kai thn proxqesinh.

ANTYPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h frash poy xrhsimopoihsate, xqes, den einai idia me th frash poy xrhsimopoihsate proxqes. Proxqes eixame to "mataioponeite" kai oti den exei periexomeno h erwthsh. Kai xqes, eixame...

REPPAS: Mporeite na moy peite poia htan h xqesinh kai poia h proxqesinh erwthsh gia na doyme an einai idies oi erwthseis;

ANTYPAS: Sas rwthse o k. Mpotwnhs gia ton anasxhmatismo kai tis prwtoboylies poy protiqetai na analabei o Prwqypoyrgos kai apanthsate: Oi prwtoboylies anaferontai sthn ypoxrewsh poy exei o Kwstas Shmiths na odhghsei thn kybernhsh kai th xwra sto dromo anaptyjhs. Kai meta, erxetai h erwthsh apo allo synadelfo gia ton Kwsta Skandalidh kai eipate, "kanena sxolio, o k. Skandalidhs exei tis apoceis toy poy einai sebastes. Gia ta qemata poy o Prwqypoyrgos exei thn armodiothta, parakalw na ton afhsoyme na parei tis apofaseis toy".

REPPAS: Mporeite, loipon, na moy peite poia einai h proxqesinh erwthsh gia na doyme, einai idies oi erwthseis poy eginan;

ANTYPAS: To "mataioponeite" einai to idio;

REPPAS: Otan me rwthsate, proxqes, gia ton anasxhmatismo, sas eipa oti osoi anafereste sto qema ayto, mataioponeite. Xqes, den me rwthsate gia anasxhmatismo. Me rwthsate gia th dhlwsh toy k. Skandalidh.

ANTYPAS: Sas rwthse o k. Mpotwnhs.

REPPAS: Me rwthse gia tis prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai an stis prwtoboylies aytes perilambanetai kai o anasxhmatismos. Apantwntas, loipon -kai sas parapempw sthn apanthsh moy- eipa oti oi prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy anaferontai sthn efarmogh toy kybernhtikoy programmatos gia thn enisxysh ths dieqnoys qeshs ths xwras, gia th beltiwsh toy epipedoy ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs, gia thn anaptyjh me thn efarmogh toy G` K.P.S., gia thn enisxysh toy koinwnikoy kratoys.

ANTYPAS: Ara, den apanthsate sto kommati toy anasxhmatismoy.

REPPAS: Den anaferqhka se tipote allo, wste na dwsw th dynatothta se opoiondhpote na bgalei symperasma oti yparxoyn kai kapoies alles prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eipa poies einai oi prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Anefera stis prwtoboylies toy ton anasxhmatismo;

ANTYPAS: Eipate oti qa asxolhqoyme me thn anaptyjh toy koinwnikoy kratoys.

REPPAS: Katalabainw to endiaferon sas, epeidh jerw oti eseis arqrografhsate gia to qema ayto, dinontas ayth thn ermhneia. An eixate ayth thn entypwsh kai qelate na exete th safh qesh ths kybernhshs, giati den kanate mia sygkekrimenh erwthsh;

ANTYPAS: Dikaiwma moy!

REPPAS: Dikaiwma sas! Alla einai dikh sas qesh, den einai ths kybernhshs. Ayto prepei na dieykrinisoyme.

ANTYPAS: Giati oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai tetoies poy...

REPPAS: Giati allaje h erwthsh sas. Giati, h erwthsh toy k. Bitalh htan poly sygkekrimenh kai tetoia erwthsh den kanate xqes.

MOYRTZHS: Poion h poioys eixe apodektes h xqesinh sas dhlwsh ``afhste ton Prwqypoyrgo na parei tis apofaseis toy'';

REPPAS: Oloys osoi, gia qemata armodiothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qewroyn oti qa prepei dhmosiws, me tropo o opoios parermhneyetai, na miloyn gia ta qemata ayta. O Prwqypoyrgos -to aytonohto eipa- gia qemata poy empiptoyn sthn apokleistikh armodiothta toy, einai o monos poy qa apofasisei gia ta qemata ayta.

MOYRTZHS: Blepoyme mia koystwdia ypoyrgwn, oi opoioi dhmosiws parelaynoyn apo ta kanalia kai parotrynoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo, toy systhnoyn na kanei anasxhmatismo, na kanei kinhseis poy qa anastrecoyn to klima. Ayto den synista parembash sto ``ex officio'' dikaiwma toy Prwqypoyrgoy na kanei anasxhmatismo; Entelei, den einai ayto syntagmatikh ektroph, kata kapoio tropo;

REPPAS: Einai yperbolikos o xarakthrismos sas. Kaqe stelexos leei tis apoceis toy, alla oloi anagnwrizoyn, kaqws diatypwnoyn thn apoch toys gia to qema ayto, oti o anasxhmatismos empiptei stis armodiothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Gi ayto -opws apanthsa thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai epanalambanw- kalo einai na mhn toys apasxolei ayto to qema. Afoy qewroyn oti den einai qema poy anhkei sth dikh toys armodiothta, para mono sthn armodiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ss mhn asxolhqei, loipon, kaneis allos me ayto.

MOYRTZHS: Giati piezoyn, loipon, ton Prwqypoyrgo; Einai enoxlhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo aytoys; To eipate eseis...

REPPAS: Den dexomai oti askeitai opoiadhpote piesh. Ayto to opoio dexomai einai oti ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Lew, omws, oti oi apoceis gia tetoia qemata, gia qemata poy empiptoyn sthn armodiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai mono toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kalo einai na mhn toys apasxoloyn.

MOYRTZHS: Dhladh, me ayta poy lete o Prwqypoyrgos kanei systaseis;

REPPAS: Oxi. Ayth einai ermhneia poy dinete eseis. O Prwqypoyrgos den kanei systaseis, giati ayta, sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos mas, einai apolytws aposafhnismena. Den yparxoyn ekkremothtes gyrw apo ta zhthmata ayta.

GIANNISHS: Ayth thn wra synedriazei to E.G. toy PASOK. Einai stis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy na yparjei mia symfwnia me ta koryfaia stelexh, sxetika me allages sthn politikh ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H synedriash toy E.G. einai se ejelijh. Einai dynato na sxoliasoyme to periexomeno ths, xwris kan na gnwrizoyme pws ejelissetai h syzhthsh ayth; To PASOK exei sygkekrimeno programma. To anwtato organo toy PASOK einai to E.G. Syzhta ta qemata poy aforoyn thn efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos poy ejaggeilame, basei toy opoioy mas chfise o ellhnikos laos.

NIKOLTSIOY: Me dedomeno to klima, tis pieseis, tis parembaseis, otidhpote, telos pantwn, ginetai, eseis qa ton symboyleyate ypo aytes tis synqhkes na proxwrhsei se mia tetoia kinhsh;

REPPAS: Egw den symboyleyw ton Prwqypoyrgo, giati gnwrizw oti ayto den einai sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn moy. Askw ta kaqhkonta moy kai prospaqw pantote -me epityxia h oxi qa to krinoyn alloi- na kinoymai sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn moy kai monon aytwn.

NIKOLTSIOY: Pisteyete oti me dedomeno to klima einai lysh, qa elyne kati;

REPPAS: Eimai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh den exei qesh tetoia poy na afora allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, to meshmeri, kyrie Ypoyrge, se wra aixmhs, ena kotero htan fortwmeno se ena megalo forthgo, opws einai fysiko, kai ekleise thn paraliakh odo kai talaipwrhqhkan pampolloi sympolites mas, epi wres. Mporeite na to sxoliasete ws kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy ginetai syxna, otan prepei na metakinhqoyn ploia h aeroplana h tanks. Yparxei mia orismenh diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai me th synergasia pollwn yphresiwn toy kratoys. To YPEXWDE ekdidei mia typikh adeia, oson afora thn antoxh toy odostrwmatos sto opoio qa kinhqoyn barea oxhmata. Orizetai h taxythta, h opoia prepei na einai pantote mikrh, kaqws kai o xronos mesa ston opoio prepei na ginei ayth h metafora, xronos poy einai apo thn anatolh mexri mish wra prin apo th dysh toy hlioy. H Troxaia lambanei kapoia metra. Epilexqhke ayth h wra, giati kriqhke oti einai wra sxetika xamhlhs kinhshs. Den einai wra kata thn opoia metakinoyntai oi ergazomenoi, gia na pane h na fygoyn apo thn ergasia toys. An yphrjan kapoia problhmata sthn epixeirhsh ayth, asfalws den einai eyxaristo. Qa prepei panta o sxediasmos kai h synennohsh metajy twn armodiwn yphresiwn na odhgei se ena apotelesma, to opoio qa epitygxanei to skopo, na ginetai dhladh, na oloklhrwnetai h metafora xwris na dhmioyrgeitai, kata to idio diasthma, problhma stoys polites.

MOYRTZHS: Toy stratoy h idiwth htan to ploio ayto;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti ayth einai mia diadikasia, h opoia ginetai syxna...

MOYRTZHS: Idiwth htan;

REPPAS: Apo idiwtikh etaireia ypoblhqhke h sygkekrimenh aithsh. Den einai oyte h prwth, oyte h teleytaia fora.

MOYRTZHS: Einai dynaton ana gwnia, ana tetragwno na kobei to reyma h DEH; Opoiosdhpote ki an einai aytos o megalosxhmos idiwths... Epeidh, dhladh, exei ena karabi mporei...;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti ayth einai h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai se oles tis xwres. Ayto ginetai kai edw. To oti talaipwrhqhkan polites, einai kati poy prepei na to anagnwrisoyme, gi` ayto prepei panta o sxediasmos na einai tetoios, wste, sto metro toy dynatoy, na mhn odhgei se talaipwria politwn, giati etsi ki alliws mia anastatwsh prokaleitai. Kata ta alla, ola ta metra lambanontai apo tis armodies yphresies kai einai tetoia, wste na epitygxanetai o skopos ths epixeirhshs, ypo sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis.

BITALHS: Xqes, yphrje mia seira dhlwsewn apo koryfaioys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, gia to qema ths kakhs eikonas poy paroysiazei h kybernhsh. Eipan kai gia ta ``gkalop'', enw polloi yposthrijan oti gi` ayto eyqynontai sygkekrimenes dhlwseis, diarroes stelexwn toy PASOK kai stelexwn ths kybernhshs. Aspazeste ayth thn apoch;

REPPAS: Oi ypoyrgoi einai melh ths kybernhshs. O,ti afora thn kybernhsh, afora toys ypoyrgoys. O,ti afora toys ypoyrgoys, afora thn kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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