Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-05-23

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Maioy 2001

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI

KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BLADIMHROY: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, kata th synanthsh toy me toys boyleytes toy PASOK, eipe oti einai kai qa einai o ``qerapwn giatros''. Poios einai o asqenhs;

REPPAS: O Kwstas Shmiths, o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras einai politikos hgeths, o opoios anabaqmise, enisxyse th qesh kai to rolo ths xwras mas. Einai o Prwqypoyrgos poy odhghse thn Ellada sthn ONE, einai o politikos hgeths poy dromologhse ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai beltiwse th zwh twn Ellhnwn politwn. Einai o politikos hgeths poy eggyatai th staqerh kai asfalh poreia ths xwras kai ths koinwnias sto mellon, me enisxysh toy koinwnikoy kratoys. Se teleytaia analysh, den prepei na sas diafeygei oti einai apo toys ligoys Prwqypoyrgoys sthn ellhnikh politikh istoria poy askei ayta ta kaqhkonta se treis synexomenes koinoboyleytikes periodoys, me thn chfo toy laoy. Mhn ypotimame, loipon, ton ellhniko lao.

KALARITHS: Prokeitai h kybernhsh na apasxolhqei me ta aithmata twn Amerikanwn, oson afora tis ereynes gia thn tromokratia sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Den exei ypoblhqei kanena aithma, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn -kai htan polles- toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas stis HPA. Logiko kai anamenomeno htan na syzhthqoyn ola ta qemata poy aforoyn tis dimereis sxeseis. Gnwrizete oti h Ellada diadramatizei ena poly shmantiko rolo sthn perioxh. Ayto to anagnwrizoyn oloi kai h kybernhsh twn HPA. Ta qemata, loipon, ths perioxhs eixan thn prwth qesh se ayth thn atzenta. Qemata poy aforoyn tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to Kypriako kai ayta exoyn, bebaiws, thn proteraiothta toys. Metajy twn pollwn allwn qematwn poy syzhthqhkan htan kai to sxetiko me thn tromokratia, xwris na einai to prwto sthn atzenta twn syzhthsewn. H qesh ths Elladas einai safhs. An mporw na thn kwdikopoihsw, qa elega oti to problhma einai yparkto. To problhma ayto, omws, einai dieqnes. Emeis den exoyme epityxei mexri twra ta epiqymhta apotelesmata se ayton ton tomea. Apo thn allh, prepei na poyme -kai ayto anagnwrizetai- oti h boylhsh mas na ejaleicoyme ayto to fainomeno einai dedomenh, einai isxyrh, opws kai h prospaqeia poy kataballoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh, epishs anagnwrizetai oti einai synexhs kai systhmatikh. Gnwrizete oti exoyme synexh synergasia me tis armodies yphresies allwn xwrwn gia na petyxoyme ayton ton koino stoxo. Enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004, synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas kai mporoyme na eggyhqoyme thn asfalh diejagwgh twn O.A. Den tiqetai, loipon, opoiodhpote allo qema. Ayto to problhma poy einai dieqnes, den prepei na odhgei sth dhmioyrgia mias ceydoys eikonas gia th xwra mas, giati h Ellada einai mia xwra asfalhs. Perissotero asfalhs, qa elega, gia toys polites poy zoyn se ayth th xwra, ap` oti einai alles xwres gia toys polites toys.

GIANNISHS: Shmera to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synergasia me thn k. Papandreoy. Epeidh h k. Papandreoy den ekane dhlwseis ejerxomenh, ti periexomeno eixe h synergasia;

REPPAS: Syzhthsan qemata armodiothtas toy ypoyrgeioy sto opoio proistatai h k. Papandreoy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, eidame stis thleoraseis th diamaxh dyo dhmosiografwn me aformh thn politikh. Qa qelame to sxolio sas, epeidh se ayth th diamaxh anaferqhkan diafora qemata...

REPPAS: Oi syzhthseis twn dhmosiografwn gia qemata poy toys aforoyn, den aggizoyn kaqoloy thn kybernhsh kai den thn aforoyn. Isa-isa, qa elega, oti egw qa eprepe na rwthsw esas, ws ekproswpoys ths dhmosiografikhs oikogeneias, gia tetoia qemata. Alla, eseis dinete tis apanthseis me ta sxolia, tis analyseis poy kanete sta Mesa poy ergazeste.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas...

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio. Den mas afora ayto to qema. Den aggizei thn kybernhsh, oyte kan emmesws.

KARGOYDH: Na epistrecw sto erwthma sxetika me thn episkech toy k. Papandreoy stis HPA. Yparxei synenteyjh toy k. Paoyel shmera sto ``BHMA'', poy anagnwrizei, bebaiws, th boylhsh ths kybernhshs gia thn katapolemhsh toy organwmenoy egklhmatos kai ths tromokratias, omws enistatai emmesws kai eygenws sxetika me thn anyparjia, mexri twra, aptwn apotelesmatwn kai afhnei na ennohqei oti yparxei aithma gia ameses syllhceis kai prosagwgh sth Dikaiosynh ypoptwn.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola h synergasia metajy twn armodiwn yphresiwn twn dyo xwrwn, opws kai me tis armodies yphresies twn allwn xwrwn me tis opoies synergazontai oi dikes mas yphresies, einai synexhs, einai stenh. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete oti yparxei ena syntagmatiko kai nomiko plaisio. Oi armodies yphresies ths xwras mas energoyn pantote me sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn toy polith. Emeis -oloi to gnwrizoyn kai to anagnwrizoyn- kat` epanalhch, exoyme zhthsei th bohqeia kai th syndromh jenwn xwrwn poy exoyn gnwsh kai empeiria panw se ayto to antikeimeno, prokeimenoy apo koinoy na prospaqhsoyme na ejaleicoyme ayth th mastiga. Den dexomaste oti mporei kapoios na ypokatasthsei sth leitoyrgia toys tis dikes mas, tis eqnikes yphresies. Ayto einai kati to opoio den syzhteitai. Ayto to opoio, bebaiws, einai epibeblhmeno -allwste exoyme proxwrhsei ston tomea ayto- einai h synergasia me tis alles xwres. Epanalambanw oti h boylhsh mas einai isxyrh, h prospaqeia mas einai synexhs kai systhmatikh. Ta apotelesmata ypoleipontai aytwn poy epiqymoyme, giati h tromokratia einai mia dieqnhs mastiga. H Ellada prwtoporei sthn prospaqeia gia thn antimetwpish kai ejaleich ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai sthn prwth erwthsh. Gia ton ``asqenh'' den mas eipate, poios einai;

REPPAS: Ean eseis gnwrizete kati peri ``asqenwn'', peite to. Emeis, me thn prospaqeia poy kaname kai me to ergo mas ws kybernhsh, exoyme katorqwsei na dhmioyrghsoyme ygieis baseis gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia poy einai poly pio isxyrh, exei synoxh, gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia poy anaptyssetai me taxeis ryqmoys, gia th dieqnh qesh ths Elladas poy exei enisxyqei qeamatika ta teleytaia xronia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai kai pali kai qa rwthsw, giati mpainoyme ston ekto mhna. Qa doqoyn oi 152.000 poy eixe yposxeqei o Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika;

REPPAS: Sas exw pei polles fores, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis -kai malista dikes sas- oti polloi sympolites mas exoyn labei ayto to poso. Ekeinoi poy to dikaioyntai kai den to exoyn labei akomh, qa to laboyn anadromika apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy etoys aytoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ena onoma mporeite na moy peite; Jerete ti lene sto IKA otan phgainoyn oi asfalismenoi; Phgainete sto Shmith na sas ta dwsei. Etsi lene sto IKA.

REPPAS: Mhn ektiqeste!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den ektiqemai, sas metaferw sygkekrimena sxolia.

REPPAS: Mhn asxoleiste me to IKA kai tis yphresies toy, einai sigoyro pws to IKA den kanei ayto. Mporeite eseis na moy peite poios ypallhlos toy IKA isxyrizetai kati tetoio; Den gnwrizete. Gi` ayto mhn yioqeteite fhmes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto IKA Kalliqeas. Phgainete kai rwteiste.

REPPAS: Gia profaneis logoys skopimothtas kykloforoyn tetoies fhmes, xwris omws na petyxainoyn to stoxo poy kapoioi epidiwkoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh gia to oikogeneiako epidoma: Telika phre apofash h kybernhsh ti qa kanei;

REPPAS: Otan anafereste sto oikogeneiako epidoma, ennoeite thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias; Einai ena qema to opoio gnwrizete oti apasxolei thn kybernhsh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn apasxolei;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn akomh ekkremh nomika zhthmata, ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, h apofash ayth den afora to parelqon, alla to mellon. Emeis sebomaste thn apofash.

NIKOLTSIOY: Ena shmerino dhmosieyma anaferei oti yparxei problhma me th syntajh toy k. Shmith, ennow thn kaqhghtikh toy syntajh kai oti xreiazontai epta akomh xronia enshma. Gnwrizete kati gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw tipota sxetiko. Se teleytaia analysh, parakalw mhn epixeireite na metatrecete thn politikh enhmerwsh se koytsompolio. An yparxei kapoio qema, qa to antimetwpisoyn oi armodies yphresies. Den nomizw oti aytos o proswpikos tonos twn erwthsewn exei qesh se ayth thn aiqoysa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poses syntajeis pairnei o k. Shmiths;

REPPAS: Para to oti synexizete na dinete ayto ton proswpiko tono stis erwthseis kai malista me poly sygkekrimenh diaqesh, prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei mia poly shmantikh diadromh, thn opoia den exoyn na epideijoyn alloi politikoi. Einai kaqhghths, askhse to sygkekrimeno epaggelma gia para polla xronia. Dikaioytai, loipon, toys kopoys poy katebale na toys apolaysei. Giati, oi kopoi panta dinoyn karpoys. Kapoioi alloi den exoyn na epideijoyn analogo biografiko. Ti na kanoyme; Prepei na apologhqoyme kai gi` ayto, giati diaqetei ena toso spoydaio, ws pros to periexomeno toy, biografiko o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos; Ayto einai timh gia ton idio kai gia th xwra.

MPEKATWROY: Lhgei h proqesmia sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, sxetika me thn perioysia toy tews. Poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Exei katateqei to ellhniko mnhmonio. Shmera, einai sta xeria twn yphresiwn toy Dikasthrioy. Anamenetai h kataqesh toy mnhmonioy ths allhs pleyras. H diadikasia poy qa akoloyqhqei einai h ejhs: Qa antallagoyn ta mnhmonia, prokeimenoy kaqe pleyra na sxoliasei to mnhmonio ths allhs kai sth synexeia to Dikasthrio qa ektimhsei ta stoixeia kai qa labei thn apofash toy toys epomenoys mhnes. Ayth thn wra, den exoyme na poyme tipote parapanw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixate pei oti qa mas to dwsete ayto.

REPPAS: Ola qa ginoyn sthn wra toys.

GARGALAKOS: Exw mia aporia: Giati o YPEQO aisqanqhke thn anagkh na bgalei ayta ta erwthmata kai apanthseis se ayta, se o,ti afora thn eqnikh oikonomia;

REPPAS: Kata takta xronika diasthmata ginetai mia anafora se stoixeia gia to pws ejelissetai h ektelesh toy proypologismoy. Exoyn ginei sxetikes anakoinwseis kai sto parelqon. Ayto ginetai kai twra.

SOYRMELIDHS: Mia dieykrinish oson afora thn tromokratia. Telikws, eteqh qema apo opoiondhpote Amerikano ajiwmatoyxo gia kati kainoyrgio se o,ti afora th drasthriothta kai th synergasia gia thn tromokratia;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn, logiko kai anamenomeno htan, metajy twn allwn, na apasxolhsei toys synomilhtes kai to qema ayto, to opoio bebaiws exei th qesh toy sthn atzenta twn syzhthsewn, alla oxi se tetoia qesh, opws ayth poy kapoioi paroysiazoyn. Einai ena qema poy mas apasxolei ws kybernhsh kai ws xwra. Apasxolei kai thn kybernhsh twn HPA gia profaneis logoys. Exei qymata h xwra ayth. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti synergazontai oi armodies yphresies twn dyo xwrwn se ayto ton tomea. Qa synexistei ayth h synergasia. Den yparxei h ypobolh kapoioy aithmatos. To epanalambanw ayto, giati sthn arxikh erwthsh perilambanotan ayth h lejh kai gi` ayto edwsa ayth thn apanthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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