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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Aprilioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na anaferqw sth qesh ths kybernhshs, oson afora to asfalistiko qema:

H qesh poy diatypwnei h kybernhsh einai apodeijh ths eyaisqhsias, ths eyqynhs, alla kai ths eilikrinoys diaqeshs mas na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme ena krisimo problhma.

Pisteyoyme oti to asfalistiko zhthma prepei na syzhthqei, sto plaisio enos kalopistoy, anoiktoy dialogoy. O dialogos aytos prepei na ginei ef` olhs ths ylhs, xwris proapaitoymena. Pisteyoyme, epishs, oti gia na jeperasoyme thn epiklhsh opoioydhpote diadikastikoy prosxhmatos, o dialogos aytos mporei na jekinhsei sth bash twn protasewn poy qa kataqesei h pleyra twn koinwnikwn forewn, twn syndikalistikwn forewn.

Ayth einai h dikh mas qesh. Einai wra eyqynhs. Ayto prepei na to antilhfqoyn oloi. Fainetai, an krinw apo to periexomeno ths shmerinhs omilias toy k. Karamanlh, oti h Nea Dhmokratia brisketai se allo mhkos kymatos. H N.D. den exei protaseis. Diaxeirizetai to "tipota" ths politikhs ths. Qa prepei na paroysiasei tis qeseis ths, toso epi ths diadikasias, an prepei dhladh na ginei o dialogos, oso kai epi ths oysias toy qematos, me poion tropo qa antimetwpisoyme kai qa lysoyme to problhma. Mono tote mporei na einai xrhsimh kai qetikh h syneisfora ths. Ayto ews twra den exei fanei, afoy -opws mporei na krinei kaneis kai apo to periexomeno ths omilias toy Proedroys ths- h politikh parembash ths N. D. epididetai kai ejantleitai se ceydologies kai sykofanties. Pisteyoyme oti h N.D. mporei na einai xrhsimh, efoson jeperasei thn typopoihmenh ekdoxh oti einai "komma periorismenhs eyqynhs".

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti allaje kai eixame ayth thn atakth ypoxwrhsh ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Opws eipa prohgoymenws mas endiaferei na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme to problhma. Eimaste mia kybernhsh kai ena komma mesa sthn koinwnia. Den mas endiaferoyn oi efhmeres entypwseis. Den mas apasxolei na exoyme mia anefelh kybernhtikh qhteia. Eimaste edw me sygkekrimenh entolh kai exoyme ypoxrewsh na antimetwpizoyme kai na lynoyme ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra, akomh kai an ta problhmata ayta einai toy mellontos, toy kontinoy pantws mellontos. Emeis pisteyoyme pws den qa prepei o opoiosdhpote na qewrei oti yparxei problhma apo th dikh mas pleyra, oson afora th diadikasia poy einai anagkaia, th diadikasia poy prepei na akoloyqhqei, th diadikasia dhladh toy dialogoy, prokeimenoy na syzhthqei ayto to qema me kalopisto kai eilikrinh tropo.

Gia na afairesoyme, loipon, kaqe diadikastiko prosxhma proxwroyme se ayth th qesh, kalwntas oloys ekeinoys poy diatypwnoyn tis protaseis toys dejia kai aristera na kataqesoyn kai na diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys, sto plaisio enos syntetagmenoy, organwmenoy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Ayto apotelei ypoxrewsh gia oloys. Emeis, oxi se bash isotimias, opws eixa pei thn prohgoymenh Tetarth, alla dinontas probadisma stis protaseis kai tis qeseis poy qa diatypwsoyn oi syndikalistikoi foreis, zhtoyme sth bash aytwn twn protasewn na arxisei o dialogos gia na syzhthqoyn oles oi ptyxes aytoy toy shmantikoy qematos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mas eixate pei oti sthn koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy oti htan omofwnh h apofash, oti oloi symfwnhsan. Ti mesolabhse kai bghkan meta kai lene oti den symfwnhse kanenas;

REPPAS: Isxyei ayto poy sas apanthsa prin. Epiqymoyme na afairesoyme opoiadhpote epiklhsh diadikastikwn prosxhmatwn apo alloys, prokeimenoy na parempodisoyn to dialogo. Emeis -epeidh exoyme eilikrines endiaferon na ginei dialogos, alla dialogos epi ths oysias gia na ejeyreqei lysh- kataqetoyme ayth thn protash, zhtwntas na proselqoyn sto dialogo oloi ekeinoi poy isxyrizontai oti exoyn tekmhriwmenes protaseis. Na kataqesoyn aytes tis protaseis kai makari mesa apo ton kalopisto dialogo na apodeixqei oti oi protaseis aytes odhgoyn sto epiqymhto, sto wfelimo gia oloys apotelesma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Giannitshs paramenei ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn;

REPPAS: Asfalws kai exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai olwn mas. Kai prepei na parameinei, poly perissotero twra poy eimaste sthn arxh mias poly shmantikhs diadikasias gia ena qema to opoio qa orisei, an qelete, thn poreia ths xwras gia arketa xronia kai qa ephreasei kai thn tyxh twn newn sympolitwn mas, oi opoioi eishlqan prosfata sthn agora ergasias h prokeitai na eiselqoyn sto mellon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei ypoballei, dhladh, paraithsh;

REPPAS: Oyte ypebale, oyte teqhke pote tetoio qema, oyte kan emmesws.

KWSTANTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prosmetrhsate sthn apofash sas ayth gia ypoxwrhsh to politiko kostos; Kai epiprosqetws, epeidh me thn idia zesh yposthrizate kai ta metra poy anakoinwsate kai gia ta opoia twra ypoxwrhsate, mhpws paradexeste oti yphrje proxeirothta;

REPPAS: Eipame oti sto synolo twn protasewn poy eginan gnwstes, mia protash exei thn kat` arxas protimhsh mas. H protash ayth den apotelese gia mas qesfato. Tonizame panta kai tonizoyme oti den eimaste dogmatikoi kai pws eimaste etoimoi na yioqethsoyme kaqe epoikodomhtikh protash. Oi protaseis aytes apotelesan ena plaisio, htan to enaysma gia to dialogo. Exw, kat` epanalhch, tonisei oti se ekeines tis periptwseis poy h kybernhsh diatypwnei mia qesh, aytomatws eisprattei thn kathgoria kai thn kritikh oti h qesh ths den einai orqh. Stis periptwseis poy h kybernhsh zhtei thn enarjh mias diadikasias, xwris kat` arxas na diatypwnei th dikh ths qesh, tote kathgoreitai oti einai aneyqynh afoy den ekfrazei mia orismenh politikh protash. Kai sth mia kai sthn allh periptwsh kapoioi qewroyn oti briskontai peran ths kritikhs poy kaqe logikos kai kalopistos anqrwpos mporei na kanei, gia to an exei aisqhma eyqynhs enas syndikalistikos foreas, ena politiko komma, enas opoiosdhpote koinwnikos foreas, otan xeirizetai toso shmantika qemata.

Emeis pisteyoyme -kai ayth einai h qesh mas- oti ayto poy proexei einai:

Prwton, na dexqoyme oloi oti yparxei ena problhma poy prepei na to lysoyme. Kai,

Deyteron, na dexqoyme oloi oti to problhma ayto prepei na antimetwpistei me prwtoboylies poy prepei na analhfqoyn twra. Na mh metateqei xronika h antimetwpish toy qematos, giati tote ta pragmata qa einai poly pio dyskola, h katastash qa epibarynqei. Efoson oloi dexomaste aytes tis arxes, idoy loipon h diadikasia toy dialogoy, entos ths opoias kaqenas me anesh xronoy qa mporei na kataqesei tis apoceis toy, na tis yperaspistei kai an oi apoceis toy aytes einai orqes -oi polites qa parakoloyqhsoyn ayto to dialogo, giati oloys toys afora ayto to qema- tote oi apoceis aytes qa apotelesoyn th dikh mas apanthsh, thn apanthsh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, ths ellhnikhs Politeias, ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apenanti se ena problhma.

KWSTANTHS: Giati noiwsate thn anagkh na kanete ayto to sxolio shmera gia th N.D., kati poy den kanate oles tis prohgoymenes hmeres;

REPPAS: Pantote sxoliazoyme tis qeseis ths N.D., otan katorqwnoyme na diapistwsoyme oti h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh ekfrazei kapoies qeseis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poy ofeiletai ayth h prwtotypia, mia prosklhsh dialogoy di` epiqesewn stoys proskaloymenoys, giati eipate prohgoymenws oti h GSEE, h ADEDY kai oloi oi koinwnikoi foreis exoyn mia prosxhmatikh, strecodikh symperifora;

REPPAS: Prwton, aytos poy kalei kapoion se dialogo deixnei to dhmokratiko dromo poy prepei oloi na akoloyqhsoyme gia na fqasoyme se ena apotelesma. Aytos poy arneitai to dialogo deixnei oti den exei diaqesh na symbalei sthn antimetwpish toy problhmatos. Ara, den prepei na milate gia epiqesh, alla antiqetws gia anagnwrish ths eyqynhs kai ths dynatothtas twn forewn aytwn na symmetasxoyn se mia dhmokratikh diadikasia me sygkekrimenes protaseis. Deyteron, oi epiqeseis kai oi kathgories exoyn diatypwqei, toylaxiston mexri twra, enantion ths kybernhshs. Monon. H kybernhsh oydepote kathgorhse. H kybernhsh, me aisqhma eyqynhs, diatypwse ena plaisio. H kybernhsh me aisqhma eyqynhs, apo thn wra -einai gnwsto ayto, ej antikeimenoy exei prokycei- poy kapoioi qewroyn oti ayto to plaisio mporei na mh symballei sth diadikasia aytoy toy dialogoy, leei oti o dialogos aytos -epeidh pragmatika pisteyoyme sthn ajia toy kai qewroyme oti einai o monos dromos poy prepei na akoloyqhqei, h monh dhmokratikh diejodos gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme to problhma- na ginei sth bash twn protasewn poy qa kataqesete eseis. Kataqeste, loipon, tis protaseis sas...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ma, afoy toys brizete...

REPPAS: Den brizoyme kanenan. Antiqetws, otan dineis ston allo to probadisma, zhtas na kataqesei tis protaseis toy kai eisai etoimos kai diateqeimenos -kai ekfrazeis ayth th qesh dhmosiws- na syzhthseis ws kybernhsh sth bash twn dikwn toy protasewn, xwris proapaitoymena, xwris na desmeyetai kaneis ek twn proterwn, yparxei pio dhmokratiko kai pio synepes, se ayth thn arxh poy eipame oti exoyme eilikrines endiaferon kai aisqhma eyqynhs na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme to problhma;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stis qeseis ths kybernhshs yphrxe mia, kat arxas, arnhtikh topoqethsh twn kaloymenwn na syndiallagoyn me thn kybernhsh. Kai aytoi, omws, opws lene apo thn pleyra toys, exoyn kataqesei hdh apo to 1997 oloklhrwmenes -opws shmeiwnoyn- protaseis gia to asfalistiko. Mia kat arxas topoqethsh se aytes tis protaseis poy hdh exei ypoch ths h Kybernhsh, apo thn pleyra twn proskaloymenwn...

REPPAS: Me thn erwthsh sas dexeste, estw kai emmesws, oti den exoyn kamia dyskolia, ara den exoyn thn apaithsh na toys paraxwrhqei xronos, giati einai etoimoi -etsi isxyrizeste eseis- oi syndikalistikoi foreis na proselqoyn se ayto to dialogo kai na epanakataqesoyn tis protaseis tis opoies me toso megalh leptomereia gnwrizete eseis oti exoyn. Na, loipon, stadio dojhs lampro, gia na ajiopoihqoyn aytes oi apoceis. O dialogos, loipon, perimenei oloys ekeinoys poy qa kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys. Leme, malista, oti oi dikes toys protaseis exoyn to probadisma, enanti opoiwndhpote allwn skecewn h protasewn kai oti sth bash twn dikwn toys protasewn prepei na arxisei aytos o dialogos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exete pei epaneilhmmenws oti to qema ths koinwnikhs asfalishs einai to shmantikotero problhma, to shmantikotero zhthma poy kaleitai na antimetwpisei h kybernhsh, opws kai oles oi mexri twra kybernhseis apo th metapoliteysh kai meta. Apenanti stis protaseis ths kybernhshs gi ayto to qema, eisprajate mia pandhmh -qa elega- arnhsh. Synexizete na epimenete oti h kybernhsh einai laoproblhth;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh einai mesa sthn koinwnia kai gi` ayto akribws, deixnontas thn eyaisqhsia ths, kalei oloys ekeinoys poy exoyn protaseis na tis kataqesoyn, prokeimenoy na ginei syzhthsh epi twn protasewn aytwn. H kybernhsh einai etoimh na apodexqei, na yioqethsei aytes tis protaseis, efoson odhgoyn sto epiqymhto apotelesma. Giati, ayto poy exei shmasia einai na broyme lysh sto problhma. H kybernhsh, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, qa mporoyse na metaqesei xronika thn antimetwpish toy qematos, prokeimenoy na mhn antimetwpizei ayta ta problhmata. Giati antimetwpizoyme problhmata, epeidh yparxei sygxysh, yparxei paranohsh. Polloi poy den toys aforoyn ayta ta metra, qewroyn oti toys aforoyn kai qigontai kiolas. Den gnwrizete ki eseis -einai kai dikh moy empeiria- oti polloi syntajioyxoi poy den toys aforoyn ayta ta metra, den toys eggizoyn, foboyntai oti toys aforoyn, oti qa meiwqoyn oi syntajeis toys; Polloi polites poy anhkoyn sthn agrotikh tajh, p.x. sth dikh moy perifereia, poy den toys aforoyn ayta ta metra, pisteyoyn oti kapoia metra toys qigoyn. Ki omws den toys aforoyn kaqoloy. Olh ayth h sygxysh poy exei dhmioyrghqei, ek twn pragmatwn apotelei ena problhma. Emeis, loipon, zhtoyme apo toys alloys foreis na kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys, prokeimenoy aytes oi protaseis na syzhthqoyn kai na odhghqoyme se ena apotelesma. Makari, aytes oi protaseis na dinoyn lysh sto problhma. Giati oloi epiqymoyme lysh toy problhmatos. Den nomizw pws yparxei kapoios poy prokrinei th diathrhsh ayths ths ekkremothtas. Oloi zhtoyn na antimetwpistei to problhma. Idoy, loipon, h wra ths eyqynhs gia ton kaqena.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ena erwthmatiko poy paramenei einai giati twra diatypwnete ayth thn protash, giati den to kanate apo thn arxh; Thn perasmenh Pempth, prin apo deka hmeres, otan egine h koinh syskech Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, giati den legate tote oti o dialogos qa einai ef olhs ths ylhs; Oyte thn entash qa eixame...

REPPAS: An ayto, loipon, htan ekeino to stoixeio poy parempodise -kata th dikh sas apoch- thn ejelijh ayths ths diadikasias toy dialogoy, twra poy hrqh ayto to stoixeio, h porta toy dialogoy einai anoikth. Ara, loipon, ayto poy exei shmasia einai na doyme ti ginetai apo edw kai pera. Exoyn dhmioyrghqei, xarh sth dikh mas ypeyqynh stash, oles oi proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy na jekinhsei aytos o kalopistos dialogos. Kai ayto einai to poly shmantiko poy prepei oloi na epishmanoyme ayth thn wra.

MIXAHL: Tote, to klima afereggyothtas kai aneilikrineias poy diamorfwqhke metajy kybernhshs kai koinwnikwn forewn, olo ayto to 10hmero, me poies asfalistikes dikleides katoxyrwnetai;

REPPAS: An pragmatika, exei dhmioyrghqei mia skia stis sxeseis empistosynhs ths kybernhshs me toys syndikalistikoys h alloys koinwnikoys foreis, pisteyoyme oti isa-isa gi ayto to logo einai epibeblhmenh h qesh poy phrame. Giati me ayto ton tropo apeyqynomenoi stoys syndikalistikoys kai koinwnikoys foreis, toys zhtoyme na kataqesoyn tis dikes toys protaseis, dinontas probadisma stis protaseis aytes kai legontas, apo th dikh mas pleyra, oti xwris kamia desmeysh kai xwris proapaitoymena, syzhtoyme to qema kai eimaste etoimoi na yioqethsoyme tis dikes toys protaseis, efoson odhgoyn sto apotelesma poy oloi leme oti prepei na prokycei, ws lysh gia to asfalistiko problhma ths xwras. Ayth einai h kalyterh antimetwpish toy problhmatos, poy metajy twn allwn mporei na periexei -opws lete eseis- kai stoixeia klonismoy ths sxeshs empistosynhs twn syndikalistikwn kai koinwnikwn forewn pros thn kybernhsh. H antidrash mas antimetwpizei kai ayth thn ptyxh.

KOLOKAS: Parolo poy se qesmiko epipedo den exei jekinhsei o dialogos, qa elega oti se pragmatologiko epipedo exei jekinhsei kai parolo poy kai oi dyo emplekomenoi foreis lene oti den jeroyn gia ti milane pleon, ektos kai an erqoyn kai oi dyo sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn, nomizw oti jeroyn poly kala kai oi dyo gia ti milane kai telika qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean ayth h mhdenikh bash poy leme oti jekina kai dinei to probadisma stoys koinwnikoys foreis, shmainei oti qa "mpei kai sto syrtari" h protash toy Bretanikoy Oikoy;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, eipame oti h syzhthsh prepei na ginei kai symfwnoyme sthn ajia toy dialogoy. Kai afoy symfwnoyme sthn ajia toy dialogoy, prepei na paroyme meros se ayto to dialogo. Deyteron, ws enaysma gia ayto to dialogo, prepei na yparxei ena xrhsimo yliko. To yliko ayto, pisteyoyme oti mporei na einai oi protaseis poy qa kataqesoyn oi koinwnikoi kai oi syndikalistikoi foreis, kata kyrio logo. Eixame pei apo thn arxh oti to plaisio poy paroysiasame mporei na einai to enaysma gia ena dialogo. Kai eixame, epishs, pei oti to plaisio ayto mporei na dieyrynqei kai na employtistei me to yliko, tis protaseis dhladh poy qa kataqesoyn kai alloi foreis. Leme twra oti, gia thn enarjh aytoy toy dialogoy, qa xrhsimopoihsoyme ws bash tis protaseis twn allwn forewn. Ara, loipon, h porta toy dialogoy einai orqanoikth gia oloys kai prepei oloi -einai qema eyqynhs- na th diaboyn.

BLADIMHROY: Poios htan o logos poy diafwnhse, me entono qa elega tropo, xqes kata th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, h ypoyrgos Eswterikwn B. Papandreoy me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias G. Papantwnioy;

REPPAS: Den ekdhlwqhke kamia tetoia diafwnia.

ANTYPAS: Na epanelqw se prohgoymeno erwthma. H frash sas "kaloyme osoi diatypwnoyn protaseis dejia kai aristera, na proselqoyn se syntetagmeno dialogo", dhmioyrgei kindyno parejhghsewn. Den fobaste oti ayth h frash mporei na ejagriwsei toys syndikalistes kai anti gia 150.000 na bgoyn sto dromo, thn epomenh fora 300.000;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti epiqymoyme oi Ellhnes polites na symmetexoyn stis dhmokratikes diadikasies, na proballoyn ta qemata toys kai na yperaspizoyn ta dikaiwmata toys. Ayto einai xarakthristiko stoixeio leitoyrgias ths ellhnikhs politeias, poy einai mia qesmika organwmenh politeia, kata tropo dhmokratiko. Me ayth thn ennoia, tipota arnhtiko den mporei na pei kaneis gia th symmetoxh kai thn kinhtopoihsh twn politwn sto plaisio tetoiwn agwnistikwn ekdhlwsewn. Apo thn allh, omws, den antilambanomai ti einai ayto to opoio mporei na dhmioyrghsei parejhghsh, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, doqentos oti oloi isxyrizontai oti exoyn apoceis kai einai qema eyqynhs toys na tis syneisferoyn, sto plaisio aytoy toy dialogoy, gia na prokycei ena apotelesma. Den nomizw oti kaqenas poy exei mia apoch, th diatypwnei me th filodojia mono kai mono na akoystei h apoch. Diatypwnei thn apoch apo eilikrines endiaferon gia to antikeimeno sto opoio h apoch ayth anagetai, prokeimenoy na prokycei to apotelesma poy oloi epiqymoyme. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, qewrw pws h symmetoxh sto dialogo einai ypoxrewsh olwn. H kybernhsh aisqanetai th dikh ths ypoxrewsh kai gi` ayto pairnei ayth th qesh. Oloi -pisteyw- aisqanontai thn ypoxrewsh na einai parontes se ayto to dialogo me tis tekmhriwmenes protaseis toys, tis opoies sebomaste apolytws kai tis anamenoyme, prokeimenoy na tis ajiologhsoyme.

ANTYPAS: Me ola ayta poy lete, moy dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti ypainisseste -peite moy an exw laqos- oti den exoyn protaseis kai gi` ayto epilegoyn na tis lene dejia kai aristera.

REPPAS: An eixame ayth thn apoch den qa toys kaloysame na kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys. Epeidh, omws, zhtoyme na kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys, aytomata mporeite na bgalete to symperasma pws qewroyme oti exoyn protaseis kai qeloyme na tis kataqesoyn sto plaisio aytoy toy dialogoy

GARGALAKOS: Shmera h hgesia toy syndikalistikoy Kinhmatos, me dhlwseis ths sta MME, oysiastika den dexetai oyte to dialogo apo mhdenikhs bashs kai zhta apo thn kybernhsh na desmeyqei oti qa qesmoqethsei neoys poroys xrhmatodothshs toy asfalistikoy systhmatos kai sthn pragmatikothta zhta ena neo plaisio apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs me diaforetikh omws afethria, poy den qa qigei oyte to ycos twn syntajewn, oyte qa ayjanei ta oria syntajiodothshs.

REPPAS: Toso kairo diatypwnetai h qesh pws prepei na ginei dialogos, xwris proypoqeseis, xwris proapaitoymena. Symfwnoyme kai yperaspizomaste ayth th qesh. Ola ayta, loipon, ta opoia diatypwnontai epi ths oysias toy problhmatos, mporei na diatypwqoyn kai na syzhthqoyn sto plaisio toy dialogoy. Kai antilambaneste pws, efoson odhghsoyn se ena apotelesma poy oloi epiqymoyme, qa yioqethqoyn. Ara, loipon, oles aytes oi skeceis, oi idees kai oi protaseis, kalo einai na diatypwqoyn sto plaisio aytoy toy dialogoy. Giati, an kapoios gia na proselqei sto dialogo qetei proypoqeseis, oroys, proapaitoymena, tote antistrateyetai th dikh toy dhmokratikh qesh -etsi opws toylaxiston thn ekfrazei mexri twra- oti qelei dialogo, xwris desmeyseis kai proapaitoymena. Einai dynato na prokycei kalopistos dialogos, otan prin kan thn enarjh toy mia pleyra, qelei na epibalei tis qeseis ths sthn allh; Diatypwsame kapoies qeseis kai eipame oti den mporei o dialogos na einai pedio gia thn epibolh kapoiwn apocewn, opws, epishs, den mporei na einai pedio gia nikhtes kai htthmenoys. Kapoioi, omws, qeloyn, prin kan arxisei o dialogos, na epibaloyn kapoies apoceis, tis opoies apoceis. Emeis qewroyme oti o dialogos aytos prepei na jekinhsei, xwris proapaitoymena kai sto plaisio toy na diatypwqoyn aytes kai opoies alles skeceis yparxoyn gia to problhma.

KARGOYDH: Ayth h protash poy diamorfwsate shmera ws bash syzhthshs, dhladh h protash twn syndikatwn, na ypoqesw oti qa einai kai to periexomeno ths epishmhs prosklhshs poy qa apeyqynei o ypoyrgos Ergasias pros ta syndikata; Kai deyteron, pote anamenetai na ginei ayto;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, ayth thn periodo, tis epomenes hmeres.

KARGOYDH: Mia deyterh erwthsh. Epeidh h xwra ayth exei kybernhsh kai h ejoysia askeitai apo thn kybernhsh kai oxi, kata kyrio logo, apo ta syndikata, ean labate ypoch ws bash tis qeseis twn syndikatwn, poia einai epi ths arxhs ta oria poy qetei h kybernhsh, peran twn opoiwn den einai dynato na ginoyn dektes qeseis allwn forewn;

REPPAS: Ta oria einai eyrytata kai ta prosdiorizei h ejelijh toy dialogoy. Prosdiorizontai apo thn tekmhriwsh twn protasewn poy qa diatypwqoyn kai apo thn ekfrash eyqynhs twn forewn, sto plaisio ths symmetoxhs toys se ayto to dialogo. Emeis, efoson odhgoymaste se lyseis, me tis protaseis poy kataqetei enas syndikalistikos h allos koinwnikos foreas, eimaste etoimoi na tis apodextoyme kai na tis yioqethsoyme. Den exoyme, loipon, kanena logo -epeidh den eimaste dogmatikoi, opws eipame apo thn prwth kiolas stigmh- na aporriptoyme mia skech, mia protash, prin kan th syzhthsoyme. Kai qeloyme, ayth thn taktikh na akoloyqhsoyn oloi. Na mhn aporriptoyn, dhladh, prin kan syzhthsoyn, protaseis kai idees. Na tis aporricoyn me thn epixeirhmatologia toys, an apodeixqei oti odhgoyn se apoklish apo to stoxo poy exoyme qesei kai mono gi` ayto to logo.

KARGOYDH: Einai poly genikh h apanthsh sas. Epimenw oti h kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh ths xwras. Kai eseis exete mia synolikoterh antilhch twn oikonomikwn antoxwn k.t.l.

REPPAS: Epeidh, akribws, exoyme synaisqhsh ayths ths eyqynhs gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras, diatypwnoyme ayth th qesh. Giati, epiqymoyme na yperaspistoyme kapoies ajies se ayth thn koinwnia, h opoia prepei na leitoyrgei dhmokratika. Metajy twn allwn, o dialogos einai mia ajia gia th synqesh twn apocewn. Opws, epishs, mas endiaferei na perifroyrhsoyme thn koinwnikh synoxh. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, qeloyme na exoyme ayth thn anoikth epikoinwnia me toys koinwnikoys foreis poy ekfrazoyn xiliades polites. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, deixnoyme me ton kalytero tropo pws aisqanomaste oti prepei na kybernoyme: Me tropo dhmokratiko, anoikto, me katanohsh kai anagnwrish twn problhmatwn poy prokyptoyn se kapoies peristaseis. Ayto einai to deigma grafhs mas.

KARGOYDH: Yphrje mia synanthsh, shmera to prwi, toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Ergasias. Einai dynato na plhroforhqoyme to periexomeno ayths ths synanthshs;

REPPAS: Syzhthsan gia to qema ayto poy apotelei antikeimeno armodiothtas toy k. Giannitsh. Den prokyptei opoiodhpote allo eyryteroy politikoy endiaferontos zhthma, san ayto poy yponohsan se prohgoymenes erwthseis synadelfoi sas. Den eteqh kanena tetoio qema. Sas lew, loipon, oti egine mia syzhthsh gia to qema ayto, xwris na yparxei opoiadhpote ejelijh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Prokeitai, to apogeyma, na synanthqei o ypoyrgos Ergasias k. Giannitshs me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia na ton enhmerwsei;

REPPAS: Qa ton enhmerwsei, enocei twn prwtoboyliwn poy exoyn analhfqei gi` ayto to qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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