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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Martioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas:

O Prwqypoyrgos dexthke shmera ton k. Rasel-Tzonston, Proedro ths Koinoboyleytikhs Syneleyshs toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa dextei kai qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Politismoy Eyaggelo Benizelo kai ton Yfypoyrgo Aqlhtismoy Giwrgo Flwridh. Argotera, sth 1 h wra, qa dextei ekproswpoys organwsewn palinnostoyntwn Ellhnwn. To apogeyma, stis 7.30, antapokrinomenos se prosklhsh enwsewn politwn qa milhsei se sxetikh ekdhlwsh, se kentriko jenodoxeio, gia qemata ths politikhs sthn anoixth koinwnia.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa dextei se synergasia ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Mixalh Staqopoylo. Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa dextei ekproswpoys twn syntajioyxwn. Sth 1.30, qa proedreysei se syskech, me th symmetoxh synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn, me qema thn prooptikh metegkatastashs toy aerodromioy toy Ellhnikoy.

Thn Pempth to prwi qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me th symmetoxh kai twn yfypoyrgwn, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn politikh ston aqlhtismo. Meta th lhjh ths synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei se syskech ths diypoyrgikhs epitrophs gia thn isothta twn fylwn, sthn opoia proedreyei h Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Basw Papandreoy. Qymizw oti h Pempth, 8 Martioy, exei kaqierwqei ws "Hmera ths Gynaikas".

Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, efoson katateqoyn erwthseis, qa symmetasxei sthn kaqierwmenh "Wra toy prwqypoyrgoy" sth Boylh. Argotera, peripoy stis 11-11.30, qa milhsei se hmerida poy organwnei to PASOK gia thn anaptyjh. To apogeyma, stis 6 h wra, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa proedreysei se syskech sthn opoia qa paroyn meros h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai oi Genikoi Grammateis Perifereiwn ths xwras.

Th Deytera, exei programmatistei kat` arxas, na dextei mia akomh omada boyleytwn toy Kinhmatos, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn toy.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena poly syntomo sxolio gia tis ejelijeis sto geitoniko kratos, sth FYROM:

Prepei na sas pw oti h tromokratikh drash Albanwn einai apolytws katadikastea. Qa symbaloyme, apo th dikh mas pleyra, wste na edraiwqei h eirhnh kai h staqerothta sthn perioxh. Eimaste ametaqeta topoqethmenoi yper toy aparabiastoy twn synorwn. Me kaqe tropo, apo th dikh mas pleyra, qa energhsoyme, wste ayth h arxh na ginei sebasth kai me kaqe tropo epishs qa symbaloyme, wste h edafikh akeraiothta toy geitonikoy kratoys na mhn apeilhqei. Pairnoyme politikes kai diplwmatikes prwtoboylies se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Exoyn ginei epikoinwnies metajy kybernhtikwn ajiwmatoyxwn kai se koryfaio epipedo. Ayto to opoio h ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei xreos na kanei kai kanei, einai mesw toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, na apeyqynqei toso sthn proedria ths E.E., sthn k. Lint, th Soyhdh Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, oso kai ston k. Solana, kai to Geniko Grammatea toy NATO k. Rompertson, alla kai opoy alloy, prokeimenoy me tropo emfantiko na qesei to qema kai na dhlwsei etoimothta, wste me politika kai diplwmatika mesa na symmetasxei se energeies ths dieqnoys koinothtas gia thn antimetwpish ayths ths katastashs poy dhmioyrgeitai, meta th drash Albanwn tromokratwn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTYPAS: Se o,ti afora th dhlwsh sas, to sxolio sas gia tis ejelijeis sth FYROM, eipate "me kaqe tropo". Meta omws to periorisate sta politika kai diplwmatika mesa@

REPPAS: Otan miloyme gia eirhnh kai staqerothta sthn perioxh, otan miloyme gia apofygh bias, otan katadikazoyme th bia kai tis tromokratikes energeies apo ataktes omades, antilambaneste oti exoyme kaqe logo na kinhtopoihqoyme sto plaisio dieqnwn prwtoboyliwn, wste me politika kai diplwmatika mesa na antimetwpistei ayth h katastash.

ANTYPAS: Den yparxei periptwsh, dhladh, gia askhsh bias;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra, gnwrizete poly kala oti to qema ayto prepei na syzhthqei kai na lhfqoyn apofaseis. Den exoyn lhfqei kan apofaseis, prokeimenoy na drasei h Dieqnhs Koinothta me syntonismeno kai syntetagmeno tropo. Sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn eimaste parontes, me tropo -qa elega- prwtagwnistiko.

KALARITHS: Yparxei kapoia prwtoboylia apo pleyras toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, se sxesh me th drash twn Talimpan poy katastrefoyn ta mnhmeia, na agorasei h Ellada kapoia h na mesolabhsei gia na swqoyn ayta ta mnhmeia;

REPPAS: Pragmati, ayth h drash twn fanatikwn Talimpan sto Afganistan, dhmioyrgei polloys kindynoys, metajy twn allwn, kai gia mnhmeia, stoixeia toy ellhnikoy politismoy kai sygkekrimena ths ellhnistikhs periodoy. Ta mnhmeia ayta, eite ta sygkekrimena, alla kai ta alla, anhkoyn ston pagkosmio politismo. Einai pagkosmia politismikh klhronomia. Exw th gnwmh, loipon, oti oydeis mporei na meinei adiaforos apenanti se ayth thn tyflh mania fanatikwn poy katastrefoyn ena meros ths politismikhs taytothtas ths anqrwpothtas. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei ekdhlwsei to endiaferon ths. O presbhs mas sto geitoniko Pakistan, exei kanei tis analoges kinhseis, opws epishs exoyme apeyqynqei, mesw toy ekproswpoy mas, sthn hgesia ths Oynesko, dhlwnontas, metajy twn allwn, to endiaferon mas na odhghqoyme akomh kai sthn agora, an ayto apotelei th swthria lysh, aytwn twn qhsayrwn. Einai ena qema to opoio parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta, giati exei megalh shmasia gia mas.

KALARITHS: O k. Katsanebas ekane kapoia sxolia, shmera ston "ANTENNA", legontas metajy allwn, oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa prepei na metonomasei to PASOK se " panellhnio dejio, adejio Kinhma" kai paromoiase toys ypoyrgoys me "saligkaroys". Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: O kaqenas leei tis apoceis toy kai mporei na krinei toys pantes. Oydeis periorismos yparxei se ayto to dikaiwma. Kai bebaiws, kaqenas krinetai gia tis apoceis poy ekfrazei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Na epanelqw sto qema twn Skopiwn. Yparxei ston orizonta kapoia sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas me thn pragmatopoihsh kapoias episkechs h kapoias syskechs se koryfaio epipedo, gia na doyme, dhladh, kai apo poy h pote qa parqoyn aytes oi apofaseis gia tis opoies milhsate prohgoymenws;

REPPAS: O Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn epikoinwnhse me ton omologo toy twn Skopiwn k. Kerim. O k. Papandreoy, sto plaisio toy programmatos toy, brisketai se allh xwra shmera, sygkekrimena sthn Aystria. Oi epafes poy exei, se diafora epipeda, me alloys paragontes einai diarkeis. Qa ektimhsei o idios ti einai ayto poy prepei na kanei, prokeimenoy na symbalei sthn kateyqynsh na petyxoyme toys stoxoys stoys opoioys anaferqhka prin. Den einai eykolo, ayth thn wra, na prodiagracoyme me leptomereies oles tis kinhseis toy. Sas lew, omws, oti eimaste etoimoi gia kaqe endexomeno. Akomh kai na episkefqei thn prwteyoysa toy geitonikoy kratoys, ean xreiastei. H epikoinwnia metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn egine se ola ta epipeda kai se koryfaio epipedo.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia th dhlwsh kai thn prwtoboylia toy Arxiepiskopoy na katagrafei o orqodojos plhqysmos kai taytoxrona na bgoyn kai taytothtes apo thn Ekklhsia;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, to qema twn taytothtwn poy mporei na ekdwsei h Ekklhsia ths Elladas, einai eswteriko ths qema. Alla, antilambaneste, pws, enw den afora emas, alla thn Ekklhsia, qa prepei ayth na to antimetwpisei me tetoio tropo, wste na ginei kai apo th dikh ths pleyra antilhpto oti mia tetoia ejelijh den mporei na katasthsei thn Ekklhsia swmateio. Giati, h Ekklhsia den einai swmateio. Den mporei na odhghqoyme, dhladh, sthn ekdosh taytothtwn, opws symbainei stis periptwseis poy ekdidoyn taytothtes ta diafora swmateia kai oi diaforoi syllogoi.

MIXAHL: Sxetika me ta Skopia. Eipate oti eimaste etoimoi gia kaqe endexomeno. Akomh kai gia anagnwrish twn Skopiwn me synqeth onomasia;

REPPAS: Eipame oti eimaste etoimoi na symbaloyme, prokeimenoy na empedwqei h staqerothta kai h eirhnh sthn perioxh. Na eggyhqoyme, enanti opoiwndhpote kindynwn elloxeyoyn, thn edafikh akeraiothta toy geitonikoy kratoys. Den tiqetai qema na exoyme opoiadhpote ejelijh sto zhthma ayto poy anaferqhkate. Giati, ayto den ephreazei, ayth thn wra, ta pragmata. Mporei, bebaiws, ayth h ejelijh na kanei pio sofoys kai toys hgetes toy geitonikoy kratoys, wste na antilhfqoyn pws qa prepei ayth h ekkremothta na pacei na yparxei, oso ginetai pio grhgora, giati ayto antapokrinetai kai sta dika toys symferonta.

MIXAHL: Gia to PASOK den qa moy apanthsete ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Gia thn kybernhsh, omws, tiqetai qema ananewshs -oxi ypo thn morfh anasxhmatismoy, giati kai ayto qa to diaceysete- toso me nea proswpa poy qa mporoyn na symbaloyn sthn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, oso kai sthn anadiatypwsh proteraiothtwn toy kybernhtikoy ergoy;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se tetoies erwthseis. Sas parapempw se apanthseis poy exw dwsei sto parelqon, poy einai poly prosfato.

GROMAN: qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei tipota neotero, sxetika me thn prosklhsh poy eixe apeyqynei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias gia episkech toy Papa sthn Ellada.

REPPAS: Den exw na anaferw tipota neotero apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Me to qema ayto, asxoleitai h Iera Synodos ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, h opoia synedriazei metajy twn allwn kai gia to zhthma ayto.

GIANNISHS: Ejaitias enos anaxronistikoy nomoy toy 1931, den egine dynato na apeleyqerwqei to poso poy eixe sygkentrwqei gia na paei to paidaki sto ejwteriko, to opoio telika peqane. Yparxei kapoio metro hqikhs eyqynhs poy anagnwrizei h kybernhsh; Qa eprepe na yparjei enas diaforetikos tropos antimetwpishs;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti me to neo nomo poy chfisame gia to Eqniko Systhma Ygeias, dinetai h dynatothta pleon ston ypoyrgo Ygeias na ekdidei, kata parekklish, apofaseis, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai tetoia ektakta peristatika. O ypoyrgos Ygeias ejedwse apofash -einai, isws, h prwth prajh efarmoghs aytoy toy neoy nomoy- kai gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Dystyxws, h ejelijh htan tragikh.

KARELIAS: Mas anakoinwsate thn prohgoymenh ebdomada parembash toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai rwtw, einai dynato se mia eynomoymenh xwra na mh mporei o Prwqypoyrgos na brei enan tropo, na apodesmeytoyn ayta ta kondylia h na dwsei alla gia na mhn peqanei to paidaki; Ayto poy synebh, einai prwtofanes.

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy perihlqe se gnwsh ths kybernhshs ayto to qema, eginan syntonismenes energeies, me apotelesma amesws na ekdoqei ayth h apofash kat efarmogh kai toy neoy nomoy. Dystyxws, omws, eixe epibarynqei h ygeia aytoy toy nearoy sympolith mas kai eixame ayth thn tragikh katalhjh. Dystyxws.

ARGYROS: Giati h Eqnikh Trapeza, efoson gnwrizan ta stelexh ths oti den htan aytos o endedeigmenos tropos na sygkentrwqoyn ayta ta xrhmata, giati den stamathsan th syllogh twn xrhmatwn kai na sygkentrwqoyn me to nomimo tropo;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti otan kapoios anoigei enan logariasmo se mia trapeza, h trapeza den mporei na to arnhqei, giati den gnwrizei pws qa xrhsimopoihqei aytos o logariasmos. Kaqenas exei dikaiwma na anoijei ena logariasmo. Diaforoi sympolites mas kateqesan xrhmatika posa se ayto to logariasmo, sto plaisio enos eranoy poy eixe dienerghqei. H trapeza otan antelhfqh oti diakybeyetai h ygeia enos sympolith mas -kai arga egine ayto gnwsto- edwse dika ths xrhmata, enanti toy posoy poy eixe sygkentrwqei, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn oi anagkes gia th noshleia toy nearoy. Omws, antilambaneste pws ola ayta, twra pia poy syzhtoyme, meta thn tragikh ayth katalhjh, exoyn poly mikrh ajia.

BITALHS: O tews basileas se mia prosfath synenteyjh toy sthn efhmerida @CORIERRE DELLA SERA@ milaei gia ejoria h opoia prepei na teleiwsei. Mila epishs kai gia ton erxomo toy sthn Ellada to 2004, me aformh thn telesh twn O.A. sth xwra mas. Aisqaneste, ws kybernhsh, oti o k. Glijmpoyrgk brisketai se ejoria kai koitate na toy allajete ta xartia toy;

REPPAS: To mono sxolio poy mporw na kanw einai oti edw sthn Ellada kalokairiase kai fainetai kapoioi, prokeimenoy na peisoyn oti prepei na einai edw, blepoyn oneira qerinhs nyktos!

MPOTWNHS: Eipate oti exete apanthsei sto qema, se erwthsh poy sas teqhke, alla egw qa hqela na epimeinw. O Proedros ths N.D. leei oti oi idioi koyrasthkate kai oti exete koyrasei. Eseis symmetexete se deipna, proxqes symmeteixate se kapoio deipno, syzhtoyntai ektos apo koinwnika qemata kai kapoies allages sto politiko skhniko;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den prepei mia koinwnikh synanthsh na emfanizetai san politikh synedriash, san politikh ekdhlwsh. Apo kei kai pera, opoiosdhpote kai otidhpote syndeei toys skopoys kai to periexomeno ayths ths koinwnikhs synanthshs, ayths ths koinwnikhs synanastrofhs me tis politikes ejelijeis, den exei dikio, brisketai ektos pragmatikothtas. O ellhnikos laos einai aytos poy krinei ena komma, mia kybernhsh. Sthn politikh, otan milame gia koyrash, milame gia politikh koyrash. Ena komma poy ananewnei toys desmoys empistosynhs toy me toys polites, opws einai to PASOK -pragma poy apodeiknyetai apo to gegonos oti o laos chfizei kai janachfizei to PASOK gia na kyberna ton topo- einai ena komma poy den koyrazetai politika. Antiqeta, politika koyrazetai kai kataponeitai to komma poy apotygxanei stoys stoxoys toy. Dhladh, httatai synexws se eklogikes anametrhseis. Ara, kataponeitai kai periqwriopoieitai.

KARELIAS: Etsi opws apantate, moy dinete thn entypwsh oti aisqaneste enoxoi, otan pairnete meros se tetoia geymata. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti yparxei ena istoriko prohgoymeno: To 1994, me allh synqesh, o k. Shmiths kai treis alloi, h perifhmh ``symmoria twn tessarwn'', tote ekane ena geyma poy odhghse se pragmatikes politikes ejelijeis. Giati twra apantate me ayto ton tropo;

REPPAS: Gia enan poly aplo logo k. Karelia. Giati h istoria einai katagegrammenh. Pisteyw oti ta stelexh ayta sta opoia anafereste, synanthqhkan ekeinh th xronikh stigmh gia sygkekrimeno skopo: Na syzhthsoyn tis politikes ejelijeis ekeinhs ths periodoy.

KARELIAS: Efagan, omws.

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh h mia synanthsh me thn allh synanthsh. Giati ekeinh h synanthsh eixe politiko periexomeno, ayto einai fanero, pragma poy den symbainei me to prosfato deipno. Den shmainei oti kaqe fora poy yparxei deipno h geyma, aytomatws syndeetai ayto me tis politikes ejelijeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws to jeroyme emeis ayto;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn bebaiws synanthseis stelexwn poy prepei na exoyn ki ena tetoio periexomeno. Alla den einai h periptwsh mas ayth.

LASKARIDHS: Epeidh ki eseis kai alla politika stelexh poy phrate meros se ayto to deipno, yposthrijate oti htan koinwnikoy xarakthra, h dhmosiopoihsh aytoy toy deipnoy dhmioyrgei problhma sthn kybernhsh; Epeidh se kaqe stigmh apologeiste oti einai koinwnikoy xarakthra. Ayto dhmioyrgei problhma sthn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den dhmioyrgeitai kanena problhma otan synantwntai anqrwpoi kai syzhtoyn, akomh ki an syzhtoyn gia tis politikes ejelijeis. Poly perissotero einai stoixeio ths zwhs twn anqrwpwn na briskontai o enas me ton allo sto plaisio tetoiwn koinwnikwn ekdhlwsewn, opws einai kai to sygkekrimeno deipno. Kata ta alla, qa moy epitrecete na pw, oti dhmioyrgeitai problhma otan diaxeirizontai kapoioi me ayto ton tropo, aytes tis koinwnikes ekdhlwseis. Otan epidiwkoyn mataiws kai aqemitws, an qelete, mia politikh myqologia gia tis politikes ejelijeis. Tote dhmioyrgeitai problhma. Kai ayto den prepei na ginetai. Prepei na apofeygetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se aytes tis koinwnikes ekdhlwseis poy lete, synantwntai politika proswpa. Gia ton kairo milate;

REPPAS: An symmetexoyn kai proswpa poy den einai politika stelexh, ti shmainei; Oti den exoyn th dynatothta na syzhthsoyn gia tis politikes ejelijeis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To syzhtate dhladh;

REPPAS: Dhladh, oi syzygoi poy synantwntai, apokleietai na syzhtoyn gia tis politikes ejelijeis; H ej orismoy otan synantwntai politikoi syzhtoyn mono gia thn politikh kai gia tis ejelijeis; Otan synantwntai sympolites mas poy den anhkoyn sth maxomenh politikh, den syzhtoyn gia tis politikes ejelijeis; Etsi topoqeteite eseis se kathgories tis diafores synanthseis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den lew gi` aytoys. Anaferomai sta sygkekrimena politika proswpa poy synantwntai kai apofasizoyn gia thn apomakrynsh kapoiwn allwn.

REPPAS: Eseis fainetai oti hsastan parwn! Blepw, milate me toso kathgorhmatiko tropo...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eiste tosoi polloi mesa...

REPPAS: ...poy den afhnete periqwrio na symbainei kati allo. Ta gnwrizete ola. Mhn eiste toso kathgorhmatikos. Akomh ki an exete toso kales plhrofories, opws qelete na emfanizeste, krathste mia epifylajh. Den einai etsi ta pragmata. Den exete kaqoloy dikio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo qema: Yparxei diabhma pros thn albanikh kybernhsh, apo thn Ellada, epeidh sthn apografh toy plhqysmoy poy kanei, den grafei to qrhskeyma twn politwn ths;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti ayto to qema exei syzhthqei, exei teqei sthn albanikh kybernhsh. H albanikh kybernhsh pairnei ola ta metra, prokeimenoy h apografh sth geitonikh xwra na ginei me oloys toys tropoys kai toys kanones poy ginontai oi apografes se oles tis sygxrones xwres. Ayto einai to qema kai ayto qeloyme ki emeis.

Eyxaristw poly.

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