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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Ianoyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, shmera o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai th Dytikh Krhth, sto plaisio dihmerhs periodeias. Qa exei th dynatothta na syzhthsei ta problhmata ths perioxhs me toys topikoys foreis, na ejeidikeysei thn politikh ths kybernhshs sxetika me thn perioxh ayth kai na enhmerwsei toys polites poy zoyn ekei gia th genikoterh politikh ths kybernhshs, gia ta qemata poy aforoyn th xwra, alla kai gia tis eidikes politikes poy aforoyn thn perioxh, idiaiterws sto plaisio efarmoghs toy G` K.P.S. kai twn allwn diarqrwtikwn programmatwn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn apoch poy ekfrasthke apo ton Arxiepiskopo Xristodoylo, sxetika me thn episkech toy Papa sthn Ellada kai thn prosklhsh poy toy aphyqyne o Proedros ths Dhmokratias K. Stefanopoylos.

REPPAS: Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti o Papas einai kalodexoymenos sth xwra mas. Einai sebastes oi apoceis ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, exei toys dikoys ths kanones leitoyrgias kai proballei ta dika ths epixeirhmata. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias, ws arxhgos toy ellhnikoy kratoys, eixe kaqe dikaiwma na apeyqynei thn prosklhsh kai bebaiws h epilogh toy einai apolytws sebasth. Paramenoyme apolyta eyqygrammismenoi me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

KAMAKARHS: Shmera, melh toy ESR, se radiothleoptiko staqmo, milhsan gia parembaseis kai gia adiafaneia sth diadikasia moriodothshs twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn toy nomoy Attikhs. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, o pinakas ton opoio paroysiasa, xqes, sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias gia toys radiothleoptikoys staqmoys toy nomoy Attikhs, exei doqei sth dhmosiothta kai apo to ESR. O pinakas aytos katartisthke apo to ESR, einai apotelesma apofashs toy kai mono. Oi radiofwnikoi staqmoi sto nomo Attikhs baqmologoyntai kai katatassontai se enan pinaka, lambanomenwn ypoch tessarwn krithriwn: Ta krithria ayta einai h palaiothta, to ycos twn ependysewn, o ariqmos twn apasxoloymenwn kai h programmatikh plhrothta. Prepei na pw oti o sygkekrimenos staqmos ston opoio anafereste -kai einai o radiofwnikos staqmos SKAI- sygkentrwnei, symfwna me ayth thn apofash toy ESR, 14 moria. Ton idio akribws ariqmo moriwn eixe sygkentrwsei kai kata thn ajiologhsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto prwto stadio, to kalokairi toy 1999. Einai symptwsh ayto; Skefteite malista oti to ESR eixe tote diaforetikh synqesh! Ara, kai me tis dyo synqeseis toy to ESR edwse ena sygkekrimeno ariqmo moriwn se ayto ton ypochfio gia na labei adeia radiofwniko staqmo.

Oson afora, twra, ta tria krithria, to ycos twn ependysewn, ton ariqmo twn apasxoloymenwn kai thn programmatikh plhrothta, o staqmos aytos elabe to megalytero dynato ariqmo moriwn. Den yparxei, dhladh, me bash ta krithria ayta kai me bash ta osa o nomos problepei gia thn periptwsh neoy epixeirhmatikoy forea, megalyteros ariqmos moriwn.

Yparxei ena problhma, to opoio dhmioyrgeitai, oson afora thn palaiothta. Ayto prokyptei, epeidh o staqmos, me bash to krithrio ayto, den pairnei moria, baqmologeitai me mhden. Kai ayto ginetai, giati to nomiko proswpo, o epixeirhmatikos foreas me ton opoio o staqmos aytos diekdikei thn adeia, emfanisthke gia prwth fora, kata thn kataqesh toy sxetikoy fakeloy, xwris na prokyptei diadoxh kai synexeia se sxesh me allon prohgoymeno epixeirhmatiko forea.

Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti to ESR, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, omofwnws, katelhje se ayth thn ajiologhsh. Sas kalw na deite ta praktika, gia na diapistwsete an exei diatypwqei allh apoch, oson afora th baqmologhsh ayth.

Den einai spanio to fainomeno epixeirhmatias na epitiqetai sthn politikh h kai ston omiloynta kai sto ESR. Asfalws, exoyn kaqe dikaiwma oi epixeirhmaties na prowqoyn ta dika toys symferonta, me nomimo pantws tropo. Giati oloi prepei na sebomaste th nomimothta kai den prepei na thn epikaloymaste me tropo epilektiko kai syxna idiotelh.

Einai poly sygkekrimenh h epilogh poy ekane to ESR. Sebasth h apoch toy. H politikh den dexetai oyte politikes apeiles, oyte politikoys ekbiasmoys. Qa prepei oloi na symbaloyme sto na aposafhnistei to topio, sebomenoi toys nomoys. Kai prepei na symplhrwsw oti kaqe allo para antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia ta osa grafontai peri dhqen ``qymhdias'' me thn opoia ypodexqhkan ayto ton pinaka boyleytes twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Oydeis diatypwse diaforetikh apoch, oydeis askhse kritikh. Ta praktika ths epitrophs einai sth diaqesh sas. Prokalw, an eseis h opoiosdhpote allos exei ypoch toy dhlwseis opoioydhpote boyleyth opoioydhpote kommatos poy strefetai enantion ayths ths epiloghs toy ESR, na thn kanei gnwsth kai se mas. Den prokyptei apo poyqena. H prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai terastia. Qa prepei na ginoyn sebastoi kapoioi kanones. Ola ta alla den mas aforoyn. Emeis prepei na kanoyme swsta th doyleia mas.

KAMAKARHS: Ma, melh toy Symboylioy miloyn gia parembaseis@

REPPAS: Na eiste pio sygkekrimenos.

KAMAKARHS: Sas eipa, milwntas se radiofwniko staqmo@

REPPAS: Ti eipan akribws;

KAMAKARHS: Milhsan gia adiafaneia kai gia th deyterh fash ths moriodothshs poy zhthqhkan symplhrwmatika stoixeia apo toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys.

REPPAS: Sas lew, loipon, oti o sygkekrimenos staqmos baqmologhqhke me ton idio ariqmo moriwn apo to ESR, toso twra me th shmerinh synqesh toy, oso kai prin me thn prohgoymenh synqesh toy. Kai epanalambanw: Oydeis apo ta melh toy ESR eqese opoiodhpote qema gia to sygkekrimeno radiofwniko staqmo, kata tis synedriaseis toy ESR sthn paroysa fash. Mporeite na anazhthsete ta praktika. Den gnwrizw ti leei o kaqenas stoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Alla, prepei na sas pw oti den antapokrinetai kaqoloy sthn alhqeia o isxyrismos oti boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs diatypwsan mia kritikh apoch h ypodexqhkan me ``qymhdia'' ayta ta opoia aneptyja. Symbainei to akribws antiqeto. Prokalw opoiondhpote na paroysiasei mia tetoia topoqethsh, dhlwsh h kritikh epishmansh apo opoiodhpote boyleyth, opoioydhpote kommatos, sthn epitroph.

KAMAKARHS: Kata th deyterh fash ths moriodothshs, poy zhthqhkan symplhrwmatika stoixeia staqmwn poy eixan meinei ektos listas, yparxei kai paraithsh meloys toy ESR. Den jerw an exete enhmerwqei!

REPPAS: Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo; H apofash toy ESR exei bgei edw kai kairo.O nomos problepei thn askhsh toy elegxoy nomimothtas apo ton Ypoyrgo. Apo ekei kai pera, sto plaisio toy elegxoy nomimothtas, zhthqhke apo to ESR na moriodothsei kai staqmoys, oi opoioi se ena prohgoymeno stadio, enw htan fanero oti diaqetoyn typikes proypoqeseis, wste na moriodothqoyn, den eixan moriodothqei. Kai ayto xwris na epibalei kaneis sto ESR na einai tetoios o ariqmos twn moriwn poy qa laboyn oi staqmoi aytoi poy eprepe na moriodothqoyn, wste na sygkatalegontai stoys prwtoys 20 h oxi. Ayto einai qema toy ESR. Alla gia logoys isothtas, epeidh oloi prepei na krinontai epi isois orois, kapoioi staqmoi diapistwqhke oti den eixan moriodothqei, enw eprepe, giati eixan tis typikes proypoqeseis. Opws alloi @kai malista megaloi staqmoi, me ychlh akroamatikothta- kalws den moriodothqhkan, giati den eixan tis proypoqeseis. Ayth h apofash toy ESR, poy einai omofwnh ws pros to shmeio ayto, den prepei na egeirei ayth thn antidrash, h opoia einai men katanohth, otan ekdhlwnetai apo mia orismenh pleyra, ayto omws den prepei na mas afora. Den mporei kaqe fora kapoios, otan qewrei oti qigetai apo epilogh poy ginetai h apo apofash poy ekdidetai apo organo poy exoyme dexqei oti aytos einai o rolos toy, na askei dhladh ayth thn armodiothta kai na katartizei ayton ton pinaka ajiologhshs, na epitiqetai epeidh h apofash ayth den toy einai aresth.

KAMAKARHS: Apo radiofwnikoys staqmoys, ayth h apofash toy ESR exei odhghqei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias.

REPPAS: Qa anamenoyme, loipon, thn apofash toy StE. Ayto einai ena endiko meso poy exei sth diaqesh toy kaqe endiaferomenos. Qa anamenoyme thn apofash toy kai tote kai eseis kai oloi mas qa exoyme mia pio kaqarh eikona gia to poios exei dikio. Mexri tote, omws, den prepei kapoioi na biazontai, na kathgoroyn kai na katadikazoyn.

MPEKAS: Pws sxoliazete thn paraithsh toy Xrhstoy Oikonomoy;

REPPAS: Plhroforhqhka, mesw twn deltiwn eidhsewn, oti paraithqhke o k. Oikonomoy. Den exw labei epistolh paraithshs. Efoson th labw, qa dwsw kai sygkekrimenh apanthsh. H Ellada einai mikrh, oloi gnwrizoyme poioi einai aytoi poy stelexwnoyn organa, poia apasxolhsh exoyn kai poia einai h drasthriothta toys. Qa milhsoyme gi` ayta thn katallhlh stigmh. Efoson labw epistolh paraithshs, qa exw th dynatothta na apanthsw lejh pros lejh se ayth thn epistolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opws eipate h apofash ayth thn phre to ESR. Alhqeyei oti yphrje dikh sas parembash gia dyo staqmoys;

REPPAS: Apolytws kamia parembash. Kai prokalw opoiondhpote -kai esas- na anaferqei se stoixeia ta opoia peiqoyn gia to antiqeto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Melos toy ESR bghke shmera, stis 12.30, kai eipe oti gia to staqmo @STATUS'' kai gia enan allo staqmo yphrje dikh sas parembash.

REPPAS: Poio einai ayto to melos poy anaferqhke se ayto to peristatiko;

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Nikos Koyloyrhs.

REPPAS: O k. Koyloyrhs poy exei protaqei apo th N.D. sto ESR@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ti shmasia exei ayto;

REPPAS: Bebaiws kai den exei kamia shmasia ayto. Einai melos toy ESR, den einai ekproswpos kommatos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekproswpos kommatos einai.

REPPAS: Asfalws den prepei na einai ekproswpos kommatos. Alliws, to ESR payei na einai Anejarthth Arxh kai ginetai diakommatikh epitroph. Lypamai, giati syxna @kai exw kataggeilei ena tetoio fainomeno- to ESR edeije oti leitoyrgei ws diakommatiko organo kai oxi ws pragmatika Anejarthth Arxh. Den egine kamia parembash. Sto plaisio ths askhshs toy elegxoy nomimothtas diatypwqhkan parathrhseis apo tis yphresies mas gia thn anagkh -apanthsa prin se ayto- na baqmologhqoyn orismenoi staqmoi poy den eixan baqmologhqei se prohgoymeno stadio, enw proekypte apo ta stoixeia twn fakelwn oti eixan tis proypoqeseis kai eprepe na moriodothqoyn. To ESR eprepe na proxwrhsei se ayth th moriodothsh, me plhrh aytoteleia kai aytonomia, oson afora to apotelesma ths krishs toy gia ton ariqmo twn moriwn poy qa edine h den qa edine se kaqe staqmo.

Kalw, loipon, kapoioys na einai perissotero ypeyqynoi. Na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys, an qeloyn na askoyn sygkekrimeno rolo se organa ths Politeias, me ena poly neyralgiko pedio mprosta toys sto opoio qa prepei na anaptyssoyn th drasthriothta toys kai, analambanontas tis eyqynes toys, na symbaloyn sthn aposafhnish toy radiothleoptikoy topioy.

Lypamai, giati otan to ESR to 1999 ejedwse ton prwto pinaka, para polloi -kai o ekproswpos Typoy ths N.D. kai alloi paragontes- apeyqynomenoi se emena, zhthsan na epanapemcw ton pinaka ayto sto ESR kai na mhn ton kanw dekto. Na mhn ginei dekth h kat` arxhn gnwmh toy ESR. Toso sebontai to organo gia to opoio argotera edeijan na koptontai.

Shmera, akoyw kapoioys oi opoioi lene oti egw elegxw plhrws to ESR kai epiballw th qelhsh moy. Thn idia wra kapoioi epishmainoyn oti to ESR strefetai enantion toy Ypoyrgoy, me aformh th syzhthsh diaforwn qematwn. Ti apo ta dyo symbainei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exei thn pleiochfia h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Mhn epimenete se ayto. Qa erqei kai pali h stigmh poy qa exoyme th dynatothta na syzhthsoyme -kai sth Boylh elpizw- tetoia qemata. Ola ayta qa anadeixqoyn me kaqe leptomereia gia na gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos poios einai o rolos toy kaqenos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate. Gia aytoys toys dyo staqmoys yparxei dikh sas parembash, opws leei o k. Koyloyrhs;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, kamia parembash. Kai sas prokalw, esas h ton k. Koyloyrh h ton opoiodhpote, na emfanisei ta stoixeia ekeina ta opoia odhgoyn sto symperasma oti ekdhlwqhke parembash ek meroys toy Ypoyrgoy sta ths leitoyrgias toy ESR. Prokalw. Oxi kalw, alla prokalw. Kai perimenw.

GARGALAKOS: Eseis moriodothsate aytoys toys dyo staqmoys h to ESR;

REPPAS: Sas eipa: To ESR edwse sygkekrimeno ariqmo moriwn se kaqe staqmo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, gi` ayto poy eipate gia ton Papa oti einai kalodexoymenos sthn Ellada: Ws arxhgos Kratoys omws, etsi;

REPPAS: Milhse gi` ayto o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, den qa ton ermhneysoyme. Milhse me tetoia safhneia kai kathgorhmatikothta, poy den xreiazetai na proxwrhsoyme emeis se alles, ermhneytikes twn dikwn toy, dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai mia teleytaia erwthsh. Epiteloys efqase h ypoqesh toy "Dystos" sth Dikaiosynh. Parapempontai. Mhpws qa ginei to idio kai me tis alles, qa yparjei kapoia megalyterh eyxereia gia na erqoyn syntoma sth Dikaiosynh oi ypoqeseis ths RIKOMEJ, toy SAMINA kai toy FALCON;

REPPAS: Exei ginei eidikh syzhthsh. Gnwrizete oti organa ths Dikaiosynhs asxoloyntai me tis ypoqeseis aytes. Prepei na afhsoyme toys dikastes na kanoyn to ergo toys. Exoyme milhsei, kat` epanalhch, gia thn anagkh taxeias aponomhs Dikaiosynhs. Exoyn lhfqei kapoia metra. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws mhn exete thn entypwsh -giati apo tis prohgoymenes erwthseis sas moy dinete th dynatothta na bgalw ayto to symperasma- oti h kybernhsh elegxei toys pantes kai ta panta kai toys dikastes kai epiballei kai sygkekrimenes apofaseis tis opoies kaloyntai na ekdwsoyn oi dikastes gia kapoies ypoqeseis.

KWNSTANTHS: Pws sxoliazete k. Ypoyrge, anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs Kefalaioagoras opoy, meta apo pareleysh sxedon dyo xronwn, paroysiazei kapoia pragmata poy exoyn ginei, opws 21 Limit up se 26 synedriaseis kai bazei kai kapoia asteia prostima; Mhpws qa eixan apofeyxqei polla deina kai den qa eixame fqasei sth shmerinh katastash an eixan lhfqei ayta ta metra nwritera;

REPPAS: H Epitroph Kefalaiagoras einai anejarthth arxh. Askei ta kaqhkonta ths. Mporei na krinei kaqenas -ki eseis- ton tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgei h askei ta kaqhkonta ayta, opws krinete ki emas gia to pws askoyme ta kaqhkonta mas. Oydeis einai ektos kritikhs. Alla, bebaiws, h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras einai epifortismenh me ayto to ergo kai pairnei apofaseis oi opoies prepei na ginontai sebastes.

PAPADIOXOS: Yparxei, opws eipame, kataggelia toy k. Koyloyrh gia to qema moriodothshs twn radiostaqmwn, yparxei kai h epistolh toy k. Oikonomoy poy epishs kanei logo gia paratypies sth moriodothsh dyo sygkekrimenwn staqmwn. Me bash aytes tis sygkekrimenes kataggelies, qewreite thn krish, synolika, toy ESR ajiopisth;

REPPAS: H apofash toy ESR prepei na ginei sebasth. An h apofash toy ESR einai paranomh, mporoyn na to krinoyn ta dikasthria sta opoia kaqe endiaferomenos mporei na prosfygei.

PAPADIOXOS: Egw sas rwthsa an th qewreite ajiopisth, oxi an th qewreite nomimh.

REPPAS: Ma nomizw ajiopisth -toylaxiston gia to sygkekrimeno staqmo- th qewroyn kai ta dyo sygkekrimena melh sta opoia anaferqhkate, giati oydemia antirrhsh diatypwqhke ws pros ton ariqmo twn moriwn poy eprepe na labei o sygkekrimenos staqmos apo meroys toy ESR. Htan omofwnh, ws pros ayto, h qesh olwn twn melwn toy ESR. Giati twra kapoioi prospaqoyn na "bgaloyn thn oyra toys ap` ejw", kata to koinws legomeno; Einai kati to opoio mporw na antilhfqw giati ginetai, alla den mas afora. Emeis prepei na kanoyme th doyleia mas, symfwna me ta osa problepei o nomos.

PAPADIOXOS: H erwthsh moy afora synolika th gnwmodothsh toy ESR ki oxi gia ena sygkekrimeno staqmo, ston opoio anafereste.

REPPAS: H apofash toy ESR qa ginei dekth apo to Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Einai h teleytaia lejh, opws problepei o nomos, toy ESR. Meta ton askhqenta elegxo nomimothtas qa prepei na ekdwsoyme thn telikh apofash, afoy oloklhrwsoyme th meleth twn texnikwn meletwn twn ypochfiwn staqmwn.

PAPADIOXOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an h askhsh kritikhs kata ths kybernhshs h stelexwn ayths, synista kata thn apoch sas apeilh kai ekbiasmo.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, milhsa gia politiko ekbiasmo kai politikes apeiles. Kai prepei na pw oti kaqenas -kai oi epixeirhmaties- exei dikaiwma na prowqei ta symferonta toy. Alla ayto prepei na ginetai me tropo nomimo. Kai bebaiws, otan miloyme gia MME h gia ekpompes, prepei na ginontai sebastoi oi kanones deontologias. Eseis milate gia deontologia. Alla, stoixeio deontologias einai h anadeijh ths alhqeias, oxi h paroysiash toy qematos me tetoio tropo wste na emfanizetai o Ypoyrgos oti exei ekdwsei mia apofash, enw h apofash ayth einai apofash toy ESR.

PAPADIOXOS: Mporeite na ginete poio sygkekrimenos, apo poy proerxontai aytes oi politikes epiqeseis ki aytoi oi politikoi ekbiasmoi;

REPPAS: Den einai h prwth fora. Den gnwrizete oti palaiotera, otan den epetreca thn anaptyjh twn radiothleoptikwn syndromhtikwn yphresiwn, dexthka epiqesh apo epifaneis epixeirhmaties ths xwras mas, me oloselides kataxwrhseis ston Typo; Kai o nomos chfisthke kai efarmozetai kai dinei kala apotelesmata. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, dhmosiografoi se ekpompes toy radiofwnikoy staqmoy ston opoio oloi anaferomaste, strefontai enantion moy, apodidontas moy eyqynes gia to oti elaba ayth thn apofash kai apokryptontas apo to koino poy akoyei ta programmata ayta, oti: Prwton, h apofash einai toy ESR kai deyteron, oti h ychlh akroamatikothta den einai metajy twn krithriwn poy problepei o nomos. Den ginetai epiklhsh ths akroamatikothtas. Kai den exw klhqei se opoiadhpote ekpomph na anaptyjw ki egw tis dikes moy apoceis, ta dika moy epixeirhmata gia ta qemata ayta.

PAPADIOXOS: Dhladh oi dhmosiografoi kanoyn politikoys ekbiasmoys kai politikes epiqeseis;

REPPAS: Ma, otan paroysiazetai me ayton ton apolytws paraplanhtiko, parapeistiko tropo h politikh ths kybernhshs kai toy Ypoyrgeioy mas, pisteyw oti ayto kai den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia kai exei enan sygkekrimeno stoxo: na ekmaieysei kapoios mia apofash h opoia toy einai aresth, akomh ki an den antapokrinetai se ayta poy epiballei o nomos.

PAPADIOXOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh gia to gegonos oti enas nomos, poy h idia qespise, katatassei ton prwto se akroamatikothta staqmo, me mia leitoyrgia 12 etwn, teleytaio se baqmologhsh sth lista ths gnwmodothshs toy ESR. Giati ta krithria....

REPPAS: Koitajte na deite: O sygkekrimenos epixeirhmatikos foreas emfanisthke gia prwth fora kata thn kataqesh toy fakeloy, prokeimenoy na labei meros sth diagwnistikh diadikasia. Einai epilogh toy kaqe epixeirhmatia na allazei tis epixeirhseis, ta nomika proswpa me ta opoia drasthriopoieitai. Gia logoys forologikoys h alloys proxwra se ayth thn epilogh. An den diapistwnetai diadoxh kai synexeia, mesw nomimws katartisqentwn metabibasewn, den dikaiologeitai tote kai h moriodothsh me bash to krithrio ths palaiothtas. Ayto elabe ypoch toy to ESR, oxi twra, alla apo thn prwth stigmh. Einai symptwsh oti to ESR kai me thn prohgoymenh synqesh toy eixe dwsei akribws ton idio ariqmo moriwn sto sygkekrimeno staqmo;

PAPADIOXOS: To erwthma moy einai, an einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo ta apotelesmata poy paragei o nomos gia th moriodothsh...

REPPAS: Koitajte, o radiofwnikos staqmo SKAI einai enas radiofwnikos staqmos, o opoios exei ychlh akroamatikothta. Einai, asfalws, apo toys megaloys radiofwnikoys staqmoys sto Nomo Attikhs. Opws epishs kai o radiofwnikos staqmo PLANET, o opoios den moriodothqhke kan, einai enas megalos radiofwnikos staqmos. Ayta einai qemata poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Ayto, omws, apexei para poly apo to na diatypwnontai kai na ektojeyontai aytes oi kathgories gia dhqen skopimothta poy ypokryptetai se epiloges poy exoyme kanei emeis -poy telikws den tis kaname emeis, afoy h apofash poy einai kai se sas gnwsth, exei ekdoqei apo to ESR- kai na dhmioyrgeitai etsi mia entypwsh, h opoia den antapokrinetai sta pragmata. To gegonos oti syzhtoyme ayto to qema, me erwthseis poy kanete ki eseis kai synadelfoi sas poy exoyn ameso endiaferon, deixnei oti pragmatika ginetai prospaqeia na askhqei mia piesh. Egw etsi to antilambanomai ayto. Giati, einai ena qema poy endiaferei ena radiofwniko staqmo, mia efhmerida kai bebaiws, einai qema dhmokratias. Poio einai to qema dhmokratias; Na sebomaste toys nomoys.

PAPADIOXOS: Thn kybernhsh den thn endiaferei to apotelesma poy paragei o sygkekrimenos nomos;

REPPAS: Thn kybernhsh thn endiaferei na ginontai sebastoi oi nomoi. Akomh ki an einai kakoi oi nomoi, einai nomoi kai prepei na ginontai sebastoi, mexri na allajoyn, afoy diapistwsoyme poy pasxoyn. Exoyme qespisei organa sta opoia exoyme anaqesei sygkekrimena kaqhkonta. To ESR qa prepei na meinei aperispasto sto ergo toy. An exei ginei kati, to opoio einai ektos twn problecewn toy isxyontos nomikoy plaisioy, na epishmanqei. Kai epanalambanw, prokalw opoiondhpote na anaferqei se prajeis, se energeies poy eginan apo th dikh mas pleyra, prokeimenoy na ephreastei to ESR.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sas to eipa prohgoymenws, to jexasate;

REPPAS: Den einai h prwth fora poy milate gia ena qema to opoio einai fanero oti agnoeite. Mhn epimenete, sas parakalw, se ayth thn taktikh, giati sas ekqetei.

BIDALH: Ston elegxo nomimothtas poy exete kanei eseis, exete diapistwsei na yparxei to legomeno asymbibasto, dhladh metoxoi radiofwnikwn staqmwn na einai kai promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata ta opoia apasxolhsan to ESR, exoyn elegxqei, exoyn ejetastei. Kai gi` ayto akribws, to ESR katelhje se ayton ton pinaka, opoy exei baqmologhsei kai exei katatajei se mia seira toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys, symfwna me ta osa problepei to isxyon nomiko plaisio. Asfalws, to ESR, prin ekdwsei thn apofash toy, ta exei elegjei ola ayta.

BIDALH: Dhladh, sygnwmh k. Ypoyrge, gia ton k. Kokkalh den yparxei to asymbibasto;

REPPAS: O k. Kokkalhs den feretai na einai metoxos se kapoio radiofwniko staqmo, ej oswn gnwrizw.

MPEKAS: Den einai paralogo na mh lambanetai ypoch, ws krithrio, h akroamatikothta;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio, prwta apo ola, den problepetai sto nomo. Ara, den mporeite na mas kathgorhsete gi` ayto, oti den elhfqh ypoch h akroamatikothta. Pws qa mporoyse, allwste, to ESR na labei ypoch toy ws jexwristo, diakrito krithrio ena megeqos to opoio den exei qespistei; Kaqe prosfeygwn sta dikasthria qa mporoyse tote na prosbalei mia apofash toy ESR poy sthrizetai kai se ayto to krithrio kai h apofash ayth na katapesei. Deyteron, gnwrizete poly kala oti to qema twn metrhsewn, oson afora radiofwnika h thleoptika programmata, einai ena megalo zhthma. Yparxoyn polles amfisbhthseis. Yparxei kapoios foreas o opoios einai koina apodektos apo oloys, etsi wste ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn toy na qewroyntai qesfato; Kai h Politeia, dia nomoy, na pairnei ypoch ths ta apotelesmata ayths ths metrhshs, wste na ajiologei kai na baqmologei staqmoys; Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Qelete, isws, na proxwrhsoyme sthn idrysh mias dhmosias etairia metrhsewn; Qelete na anaqesoyme se idiwtikes etairies, oi opoies, bebaiws, akoloyqoyn sygkekrimeno kwdika, pairnoyn ypoch toys sygkekrimena stoixeia gia na dienergoyn aytes tis metrhseis -den antilegw ws pros ayto- alla exoyn egerqei polles amfisbhthseis, kata kairoys. Ara, loipon, ayto einai allo qema. Kai etsi, omws, na einai opws to qetete eseis, epanalambanw oti tetoio krithrio den problepetai ws aytoteles sta hdh isxyonta. Synypologisthke, omws, apo to ESR ws ``ypo-stoixeio'' toy krithrioy ths programmatikhs plhrothtas.

KWSTANTHS: Exei teqei apo thn kybernhsh kapoios xronikos orizontas gia thn aposafhnish toy radiofwnikoy topikoy kai an o,ti exei ginei gia to radiofwno qa apotelesei prokrima kai gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys.

REPPAS: Exw milhsei polles fores gi` ayta ta qemata. Exw koyrasei toys synadelfoys sas, giati otan moy dinete ereqisma, dinw apanthseis oi opoies einai syxna makroskeleis kai ayto sas dysarestei. Eipame oti gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys h diadikasia einai eniaia. Oi adeies poy xorhgoyntai einai kai eqnikhs kai perifereiakhs kai topikhs embeleias. Oi fakeloi einai sth diaqesh toy ESR, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn epi ths oysias kai na ajiologhqoyn oi endiaferomenoi. Oson afora toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys, oi adeies poy xorhgoyntai einai topikoy xarakthra, nomarxiakes mporei na pei kaneis. Exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ayth gia to nomo Attikhs, oloklhrwnetai syntoma kai gia to nomo Qessalonikhs kai qa ejelixqei kai gia toys alloys nomoys ths xwras, me bash toys xartes syxnothtwn poy -prin apo tis giortes, synolika pleon- mas esteile to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn.

KWSTANTHS: Den lete, omws, pali pote qa teleiwsei ayth h diadikasia.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw pote to ESR qa oloklhrwsei th meleth twn fakelwn twn thleoptikwn staqmwn; Einai qema diko moy; Kindyneyw na kathgorhqw apo ton k. Stamatopoylo oti kanw parembash sto ESR.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi apo mena. Sas eipa poios to eipe: O k. Koyloyrhs. Mhn ta rixnete se mena.

REPPAS: Den dexeste oti moy askeite kritikh me kathgories; Giati den to dexeste; Einai toso kako ayto;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Shmera to prwi, akoysame to dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn k. Abramopoylo, o opoios epekrine thn kybernhsh gia thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, malista ths apedwse megales eyqynes. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na kanoyme kanena sxolio gia thn poreia toy XAA. Kaqenas mporei na diatypwnei thn apoch toy gia logoys profanoys skopimothtas. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai oi politikoi na meinoyn makria apo ton peirasmo na sxoliazoyn, na miloyn gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Giati blaptoyn to Xrhmatisthrio kai toys ependytes.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sxolia gia thn politikh ths kybernhshs mporoyn na kanoyn; Epitrepetai stoys politikoys na kanoyn tetoia sxolia;

REPPAS: Kaqenas exei thn apoch toy, th diatypwnei eleyqera kai krinetai gia thn apoch poy diatypwnei. To qema einai h stash olwn mas na einai tetoia, wste na katateinei sto na bohqhqei to XAA, xwris ejwqen epirroes. Na leitoyrgei aytonoma. An to XAA apotelesei pedio politikhs antiparaqeshs h oi politikoi epixeirhsoyn na ekmetalleytoyn ta toy XAA, prokeimenoy na apokomisoyn mikrokommatika ofelh, antilambaneste pws qa exoyme blacei ta megista toys ependytes kai to XAA. Kai ayto den prepei na to kanoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den htan ayth poy prwth prospaqhse na ekmetalleytei to XAA kai na apokomisei politika ofelh...

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se ayto. An emplakoyme se ayth th syzhthsh, einai san na paizoyme to paixnidi olwn ekeinwn poy qeloyn thn politikh na katoikoedreyei sto Xrhmatisthrio. Den eimaste ayths ths apochs.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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