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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Dekembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

H Synqhkh ths Nikaias ypegrafh, tis prwines wres. O Prwqypoyrgos kai h ellhnikh apostolh epistrefoyn to apogeyma, stis 16.30. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane dhlwseis gia ta apotelesmata ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Nikaia. Qa elega oti htan qetiko, telika, to apotelesma gia ta ellhnika symferonta. Gnwrizete oloi oti yphrje enas maraqwnios gia thn katanomh ejoysias, sth nea Eyrwph, h opoia dhmioyrgeitai me th dieyrynsh ta epomena xronia. Kyria stoixeia toy symbibasmoy, o opoios yphrje, einai oti qa apaiteitai mia diplh pleiochfia, kati poy proteine h Ellada. Mia pleiochfia, dhladh, poy qa prokyptei apo dyo chfofories. Sthn prwth chfoforia, kaqe xwra ekfrazetai me mia chfo kai sth deyterh, kaqe xwra ekfrazetai me tis chfoys poy diaqetei analoga me ton plhqysmo ths. H Ellada qa exei dwdeka chfoys.

Ena allo stoixeio einai oti kaqe xwra qa exei kai enan Epitropo. Ayto, omws, otan h dieyrynsh fqasei ston ariqmo 27, qa epanejetastei.

Ena allo stoixeio einai oti oi "megaloi" -mias kai exoyme synhqisei na xarakthrizoyme "megaloys" kai "mikroys"- den mporoyn apo monoi toys na laboyn apofaseis. Epishs, na sas pw oti se ayth th nea Eyrwph twn 27, oi 21 xwres qa einai oi legomenes mikres kai 6 qa einai oi megales. Opws antilambaneste, h nea Eyrwph h opoia dhmioyrgeitai einai, gia prwth fora sthn istoria, se tetoio megeqos enopoihshs. Den exei janasymbei kai epomenws, yparxoyn aytes oi syzhthseis, aytes oi isorropies oi opoies parathroyntai kai aytoi oi symbibasmoi. Den einai dynato na symbei diaforetika sto dhmokratiko plaisio poy diakrinei thn Eyrwph. Den nomizw oti exw na pw kati parapanw. Yparxoyn mhxanismoi oi opoioi einai polyplokoteroi. Nomizw oti tis epomenes hmeres qa yparjoyn epipleon leptomeresteres ejhghseis.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOGKAS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Apo o,ti gnwrizoyme, apaiteitai to 62% se o,ti afora thn chfoforia me bash ton plhqysmo. Se o,ti afora thn chfoforia gia tis xwres, mhpws jerete poio einai ayto to pososto;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den to jerw, alla nomizw oti prepei na einai pleiochfiko.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo to apotelesma;

XYTHRHS: Nai, h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh, ews poly ikanopoihmenh.

MIXAHL: Qewreite, dhladh, oti ikanopoioyntai oi basikes ellhnikes epidiwjeis me to symbibasmo poy epeteyxqh;

XYTHRHS: Nai, asfalws.

MIXAHL: Apo thn ellhnikh pleyra yphrxan orismenes parametroi gia to ean mporei na mpei "beto", to opoio diathreitai, peran apo ta qemata amynas, gia epimeroys qemata, opws naysiploia, opws qemata poy aforoyn xrhmatodothseis@

XYTHRHS: Kai se ayto to teleytaio poy lete, gia tis xrhmatodothseis, diathreitai to beto.

MIXAHL: Gia th naysiploia den to jeroyme akoma;

XYTHRHS: Den exw oloklhro to keimeno, den einai dynato na to exw, ayth th stigmh.

MIXAHL: Eseis pisteyete oti me tis apofaseis aytes, oi isxyroi ginontai isxyroteroi kai oi mikroi paramenoyn stasimoi; To lew ayto, dioti h eikona poy bgainei, efoson oi eji xwres, opws kai eseis mas eipate 21 kai 6, oi eji, loipon, einai to dieyqynthrio, estw kai atypws@

XYTHRHS: Ayto poy qelw na sas pw einai oti h nea Eyrwph einai ena "ghpedo", na to pw etsi, enas stibos, mesa ston opoio, profanws, ginetai mia maxh apocewn, symbibasmwn kai isorropiwn, opws shmera. Den mporei na einai kai diaforetika, giati h kaqe xwra prepei na exei th dynatothta na proballei, mesa sto plaisio ayto ths Eyrwphs, ta dika ths eidikotera symferonta. Profanws, qa kanei kai tis prepoyses symmaxies th dedomenh stigmh gia ta eidika qemata poy qa prokyptoyn. Ayto einai h Eyrwph. Ayto qa parakoloyqhsoyme ta epomena xronia na symbainei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti kerdise h kybernhsh, ti kerdise h Ellada kai einai toso ikanopoihmenh;

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh phge se ayth th diapragmateysh, exontas orismenes stoxeyseis kai orismenes qeseis. Oi qeseis aytes, apo th diapragmateysh kai apo ta symperasmata poy bghkan, perasan. Gi` ayto kai eimaste ikanopoihmenoi.

MPOTWNHS: Exoyme kapoies dhmoskophseis poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas tis teleytaies hmeres kai blepoyme to PASOK na einai deytero komma, me tesseris monades ligoteres apo th N.D. Ayto shmainei oti den kanei kala th doyleia ths h kybernhsh kai oi polites exoyn strafei pros th N.D. h kati allo; Poia einai h ektimhsh sas;

XYTHRHS: Dhmoskophseis blepoyme syxna. Kai bebaiws, einai ena ergaleio gia oloys. Parakoloyqoyme kai ejetazoyme ta apotelesmata toys. Prepei na sas pw apo thn arxh oti yparxei mia sxetikothta twn dhmoskophsewn. Den to lew ayto egw. To lene oi idioi oi dhmoskopoi kai oi idies oi etairies. Poly perissotero otan ginetai thlefwnikws. Giati eida oti orismenes ej aytwn htan thlefwnikes. Se kaqe periptwsh, gia thn kybernhsh, oktw mhnes meta tis ekloges, qa elega oti einai fysiologiko na fainetai mia tetoia apoch ths koinhs gnwmhs, dioti h kybernhsh krinetai sto telos ths tetraetias, otan oloklhrwnei to programma ths. Einai fysiko stoys prwtoys mhnes ayta ta apotelesmata na mhn einai orata. Oson afora thn antipoliteysh, th N.D., den jerw poso fysiko einai, na dhlwnei to 79% thn apogohteysh toy gia to komma ths N.D. Malista, an proxwroysa ligo, qa elega oti ayth einai kai h kyria aitia gia thn prosexh emfanish kainoyrgioy kommatos, toy k. Abramopoyloy.

MIXAHL: Eiste sigoyros oti qa ginei;

XYTHRHS: Proswpika pisteyw pws nai.

MIXAHL: Ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos; Ws Thlemaxos Xythrhs, boyleyths toy PASOK, apantate, nai. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ti apantate;

XYTHRHS: Apo ta diafainomena, to pio piqano einai na ginei. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa elega oti to problhma einai ths N.D. Nomizw oti fainetai kai apo tis kinhseis toy k. Karamanlh, ton teleytaio kairo, kai apo tis dhlwseis toy, otan kalei ton k. Abramopoylo na paei sth N.D., dioti anhkei sth N.D. h otan kanei kinhseis, opws ayth poy eidame xqes, prokeimenoy na fanei oti einai karamanlikos. Nomizw oti ola ayta deixnoyn oti pisteyei kai o k. Karamanlhs oti to komma toy k. Abramopoyloy einai pro twn pylwn.

ALEJAKH: Omws, oi dhmoskophseis deixnoyn oti qa ephreastei kai to PASOK apo to endexomeno dhmioyrgias kommatos apo ton D. Abramopoylo, syn to oti yparxei mia apogohteysh kai apo ta dyo megala kommata. Eipate gia th N.D. prohgoymenws, oti einai kindynos gia th N.D., alla an paroyme thn eikona twn teleytaiwn dhmoskophsewn, olwn, blepoyme oti kai h kybernhtikh paratajh ephreazetai. Eseis den anhsyxeite apo to endexomeno;

XYTHRHS: Sas eipa oti einai fysiologiko, oson afora thn kybernhsh, giati eimaste monon oktw mhnes meta tis ekloges kai dioti mia kybernhsh krinetai se mia oloklhrh tetraetia, me thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy ths. An ayta poy yposxeqhkame ston ellhniko lao den ta thrhsoyme, tote qa kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao.

ALEJAKH: Ayto ws pros th fqora. Gia ekeino to shmeio twn dhmoskophsewn poy deixnei oti oi polites einai dysaresthmenoi kai apo ta dyo kommata, to qewreite kai ayto fysiologiko;

XYTHRHS: Edw, qa sas apantoysa oti tetoies apoceis kai tetoia apotelesmata dhmoskophsewn, ta exoyme dei polles fores sto parelqon kai malista thn perasmenh tetraetia. Ta apotelesmata, omws, twn eklogwn toy Aprilioy, nomizw oti edeijan to antiqeto.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ayrio, h xwra mas ypografei sto Palermo th dieqnh Symbash toy OHE gia thn patajh ths organwmenhs egklhmatikhs drasthriothtas. Mesa se ayto to paketo metrwn kata ths tromokratias, yparxei h desmeysh perioysiakwn stoixeiwn, pagwma logariasmwn, hlektronikes parakoloyqhseis. Qa hqela prwton, to sxolio ths kybernhshs ep` aytoy kai deyteron, ean h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, h ellhnikh, o k. Dafermos dhladh, einai enhmeros gi` ayto. Ayrio, to ypografei h xwra mas.

XYTHRHS: Kat@ arxas, opws eipate, prokeitai gia th dieqnh Symbash toy OHE. Asfalws kai thn ypografei kai h xwra mas, mazi me oles tis alles xwres.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Mesa se ayto, omws, yparxoyn kai kapoia metra@

XYTHRHS: Gi` ayta ta metra exoyn apofasisei oses xwres anhkoyn ston OHE, epomenws, o,ti qa periexetai sth Symbash, qa isxyei gia oloys. Oson afora sto eidiko meros gia to opoio kanete anafora, isxyoyn ta proswpika dedomena sthn Ellada. Ep` aytoy, prokeitai na kanei kai dhlwsh o k. Dafermos.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Gia to pws, dhladh, qa exoyme arsh toy aporrhtoy, pws qa proxwrame sthn hlektronikh parakoloyqhsh enos proswpoy, me poia krithria;

XYTHRHS: Nai, dioti kaqe xwra exei to diko ths nomiko plaisio, to opoio einai jexwristo. Sthn periptwsh, de, th dikh mas, gnwrizete, giati to exoyme janapei, oti yparxei mia Epitroph sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, poy etoimazei ena sxedio nomoy poy afora ola ayta, to opoio qa erqei prosexws sth Boylh.

KALARITHS: Yphrjan dhlwseis apo pleyras boyleytwn gia ta legomena roz kyklwmata. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

XYTHRHS: Sxolio epi dhlwsewn boyleytwn den exw na kanw. Oyte sxolio gia apokalyceis roz kyklwmatwn. To qema brisketai sth Dikaiosynh, h opoia kai qa apodwsei eyqynes.

MPOTWNHS: Pws skeftetai h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei anamesa ston k. Flwridh kai thn EPAE me oles aytes tis dhlwseis epi dhlwsewn. Exoyme ton k. Staqopoylo na leei oti den einai prajikophma, alla einai laqos h apofash, ton k. Flwridh na dhlwnei oti to qema qa paei mexri telos. Telika ti qa ginei apo ola ayta;

XYTHRHS: H diafaneia sto xwro toy Podosfairoy einai epitaktikh anagkh. Kai se ayto qa epimeinei h kybernhsh, para tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn h paremballontai. H katastash ayth einai xronia kai prepei na allajei. O nomos problepei kai deyterobaqmio organo sto opoio mporei na prosfygei kaneis. Ayto to organo einai to ASEAD (Anwtato Symboylio Epilyshs Aqlhtikwn Diaforwn). Gia to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei qa yparjei mia syskech, ayrio, sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy, ypo thn proedria toy k. Benizeloy.

SOYGLERHS: Kalese o k. eisaggeleas ton k. Flwridh na kataqesei stoixeia;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den exei ginei kati tetoio.

SOYGLERHS: Me poio tropo qa ginei ayth h kaqarsh poy eyaggelizetai;

XYTHRHS: Yparxei ypoyrgeio poy einai armodio.

SOYGLERHS: Ma o k. Flwridhs leei se ena taktiko dikasth ton k. Orfanidh oti den einai o armodios na krinei tis apofaseis ths Boylhs. Ti apanta h Kybernhsh; Einai dynato, se enan taktiko dikasth ton opoio exei diorisei o prokatoxos toy, o k. Foyras, na toy leei oti einai anarmodios na krinei ena nomo;

XYTHRHS: Peran twn dhlwsewn mporei na prosfygei kaneis sto ASEAD.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti h kybernhsh qa epimeinei sto qema. Dhladh, me antisyntagmatikes diatajeis qa epimeinei;

XYTHRHS: Ayto to lete eseis, den to eipa egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, h diatajh einai antisyntagmatikh.

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh exei th boylhsh kai qa epimeinei symfwna me ta isxyonta. Den prokeitai h kybernhsh na kanei opoiadhpote energeia, h opoia qa einai peran toy qesmikoy plaisioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Staqopoylos kai o k. Benizelos tote giati antedrasan, afoy einai mesa sto plaisio ayto;

XYTHRHS: Sas milw gia prajeis, enw eseis sxoliazete dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs einai.

XYTHRHS: Allo o sxoliasmos dhlwsewn kai allo h prajh poy exei ginei h qa ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn prajh sxoliasan oi dyo ypoyrgoi. Thn prajh toy k. Flwridh.

XYTHRHS: O k. Staqopoylos ti eipe;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti eipe; Einai antisyntagmatikh h diatajh, k. Ypoyrge, h den einai;

XYTHRHS: Na diabasete olh th dhlwsh toy k. Staqopoyloy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Gnwrizete an qa yparjei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Flwridh tis epomenes hmeres gi ayto to zhthma;

XYTHRHS: Mexri twra den yparxei tetoio qema. Den gnwrizw an qa yparjei ayrio h meqayrio.

GIANNISHS: Se poies energeies prokeitai na probei h exei probei h kybernhsh gia thn apeleyqerwsh toy Ellhna ajiwmatikoy sthn Afgazia;

XYTHRHS: Einai to deytero kroysma poy symbainei ekei. Exei janasymbei kati tetoio, opws jerete. O Ellhnas ajiwmatikos einai parathrhths ekei, mazi me alloys apo alles xwres toy OHE. Epomenws o OHE exei kai thn eyqynh twn xeirismwn toy qematos aytoy. Bebaiws, apo th dikh mas pleyra, toso o presbhs, oso kai o stratiwtikos akoloyqos parakoloyqoyn apo konta thn ejelijh ayth, h opoia pisteyoyme oti qa exei aisio telos, opws eixe kai h prohgoymenh.

MPOTWNHS: Exoyme kanena neotero stoixeio gi ayto to qema;

XYTHRHS: Den exoyme neotero stoixeio. Den exei akomh entopistei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn zhthsei kati;

XYTHRHS: Den exei entopistei akomh.

BITALHS: Eixe ejaggelqei apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas h stadiakh meiwsh ths qhteias. Yparxoyn omws mia seira dhmosieymata poy lene oti yparxei problhma epeidh o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias den exei problecei analogo kondyli gia epaggelmatikes monades gia peraiterw meiwsh qhteias. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

XYTHRHS: Profanws qa yparjei synergasia metajy twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn kai anakoinwseis. Den qa allajei to programma poy exei ejaggeilei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Gnwrizete to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi ayth thn ebdomada;

XYTHRHS: As perimenoyme na erqei prwta. Exei allajei to programma me thn epimhkynsh ths Synodoy Koryfhs kai epomenws qa to anakoinwsoyme ayrio h apoce.

ALEJAKH: Xqes, synelhfqh enas ypallhlos ths EYP sth Flwrina me kapoia opla. Gi ayton diataxqhke EDE kai phge ston eisaggelea. Exete ypoch sas to endexomeno na emplekontai kai alloi ypallhloi se ayth thn istoria, eite einai laqremporio, eite oxi;

XYTHRHS: H EDE kai o eisaggeleas qa ejetasoyn to olo qema poy teqhke.

ALEJAKHS: Oles oi plhrofories miloyn gia megalo kyklwma, k. Ypoyrge, xwris na mporoyme na to sthrijoyme ayto poyqena me dhlwseis. Alla, mexri stigmhs lene oti einai para polloi aytoi poy emplekontai kai oxi enas h dyo.

XYTHRHS: Gi ayto ginetai kai h anakrish. Sth mia periptwsh apo thn yphresia kai sthn allh periptwsh apo ton eisaggelea. Ta apotelesmata qa ta maqoyme.

Eyxaristw poly.

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