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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEJAKH: Xqes to brady, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sto Berolino, diatypwse thn apoch oti den yparxei sxedio gia th meta ONE epoxh. Qa to deite kai shmera se orismenes efhmerides. O Prwqypoyrgos kai to prohgoymeno diasthma, alla kai shmera, sth Qessalonikh, eipe oti proxwrame me to programma poy exoyme kai synexizoyme. Yparxei kapoia diastash apocewn metajy twn dyo; Yparxei sxedio gia th meta ONE epoxh h den yparxei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxei, meta ONE, epoxh. Yparxei h entos ths ONE epoxh, h opoia jekinhse ligoys mhnes prin, me thn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy poy einai poly shmantikos gia thn poreia ths xwras. To oti Petyxame thn entajh sthn ONE, shmainei oti exoyme kalyteres proypoqeseis gia na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas sthn epomenh periodo. Stoxoys poy aforoyn, kyriws, sthn anaptyjh toy koinwnikoy kratoys kai thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias. Allwste, o Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia tetraetia apasxolhshs. Ayta, bebaiws, mporoyme na ta epityxoyme an ejasfalisoyme tis anagkaies oikonomikes kai koinwnikes proypoqeseis. Kai ayto den mporei na ginei alliws, para mono sto plaisio mias pio anaptygmenhs ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ta epiteygmata ths prohgoymenhs periodoy einai apotelesma ths politikhs poy sxediasame kai efarmosame, thn opoia enekrine, telika, o ellhnikos laos. Qa kriqoyme gia ta apotelesmata ths prospaqeias poy kataballoyme, twra, otan erqei h wra, kai pali apo ton ellhniko lao. H prospaqeia poy kanoyme, ejelissetai basei sygkekrimenoy kybernhtikoy programmatos, basei sygkekrimenoy politikoy sxedioy, poy exoyme apofasisei sto plaisio twn kybernhtikwn, alla kai twn kommatikwn organwn. Pisteyoyme oti h kalyterh eggyhsh gia thn epityxia twn stoxwn mas, thn epomenh periodo, einai ta epiteygmata poy, mexri twra, prosferame sth xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Epiteygmata poy epitrepoyn sthn Ellada na einai ena kratos, prwtagwnisths stis ejelijeis sthn eyryterh perioxh. Na exei isxyrh oikonomia. Na exei oles tis proypoqeseis, wste na isxyropoihsei, akomh perissotero, thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ayto einai to plaisio entos toy opoioy kinoymaste.

H synergasia einai apolyth. Kaqe ypoyrgos, sto diko toy tomea, exei na epideijei shmantika, qetika apotelesmata. Kai ola ayta mazi, synapartizoyn mia kybernhtikh politikh poy pisteyoyme oti syntoma qa dwsei karpoys, prokeimenoy etsi na antapokriqoyme sthn entolh poy mas edwse o ellhnikos laos.

ALEJAKH: Tote, giati o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekfrazei aytes tis epifylajeis; Mhpws den exei katanohsei poia einai h kybernhtikh politikh; Mhpws exei kapoies alles epifylajeis gia to pws efarmozetai h politikh;

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos den exei kamia epifylajh, ej oswn gnwrizw kai ej oswn antilhfqhka, diabazontas tis dhlwseis toy. Giati, to megalo problhma poy afora thn anakatanomh toy eisodhmatos, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyme tis oikonomika asqenesteres omades ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, den mporei na lyqei, para monon an ejasfalisoyme oroys kai proypoqeseis, sto plaisio mias pio anaptygmenhs ellhnikhs oikonomias. Synexizoyme, loipon, thn epityxhmenh oikonomikh politikh. Apo to pleonasma poy, kaqe fora, ejasfalizoyme, enisxyoyme akomh perissotero tis ptyxes ths koinwnikhs politikhs mas, gia na bohqhsoyme tis oikonomika asqenesteres omades toy plhqysmoy ths xwras. Kai pisteyw oti oloi -kybernhtika, alla kai kommatika stelexh- miloyme koinh glwssa, afoy exoyme ton idio stoxo apenanti mas, poy den einai allos apo thn anaptyjh toy koinwnikoy kratoys, thn antimetwpish ths anergias -prwta kai kyria- th beltiwsh twn yphresiwn toy systhmatos Ygeias, thn anabaqmish toy ekpaideytikoy systhmatos. Opws epishs kai th beltiwsh twn yphresiwn, prokeimenoy na ginei h dhmosia dioikhsh pio filikh, pio apotelesmatikh. Aytos einai o koinos stoxos. Den yparxei apoklish ws pros ayto. Miloyme koinh politikh glwssa. Isws den xrhsimopoioyme tis idies lejeis, alla h glwssa poy miloyme einai h idia.

KALARITHS: Oi eisaggeleis ejedwsan mia anakoinwsh poy leei oti askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys, xwris kamia diaqesh anameijhs sta politika pragmata toy topoy kai opoiesdhpote paromoies eikasies einai abasimes. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Me poly ikanopoihsh plhroforhqhka ayth thn anakoinwsh, pragma to opoio pisteyw deixnei, me ton kalytero tropo, oti oloi, se opoia pleyra toy lofoy ki an briskontai, apodokimazoyn tyxon energeies poy dhmioyrgoyn thn ypocia oti alla einai ta kinhtra basei twn opoiwn kinoyntai kapoioi leitoyrgoi, eite einai sthn politikh, eite sth Dikaiosynh, eite se alloys qesmoys h tomeis ths koinwnias mas. Oydeis, eite politikos, eite dikasths, einai yperanw toy nomoy. Alla, bebaiws, qa prepei oloi, askwntas ta kaqhkonta mas me eysyneidhsia, na apodeiknyoyme oti kamia skopimothta, para mono h epidiwjh gia thn alhqeia kai thn yperaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos, mporei na mas parakinei sto ergo mas. Alliws, pantote elloxeyei o kindynos na odhghqoyme se mia ektroph, megalyterh h mikroterh, poy shmainei poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs h politikopoihsh ths Dikaiosynhs. Epikrotw apolytws to oti ena syndikalistiko organo twn eisaggelewn, dhlwnei oti kai oi eisaggeleis den exoyn kanena allo kinhtro stis energeies toys, para mono thn anazhthsh ths alhqeias. Oles oi energeies twn politikwn kai olwn twn forewn ths xwras, prepei na kinoyntai se ena tetoio plaisio, wste kai stoys tritoys -toys polites poy einai arketa kaxypoptoi- na einai fanero oti oi energeies mas aytes exoyn ena koino stoxo: Na anabaqmisoyme thn poiothta ths zwhs sth xwra mas, na enisxysoyme toys qesmoys, na beltiwsoyme th dhmokratia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete ypoch sas dikastes poy exoyn alla kinhtra;

REPPAS: Oi pantes kai oxi monon oi politikoi se ayth th xwra, krinontai. Antilambaneste pws prepei, idiws, oi paragontes poy yphretoyn neyralgikoys tomeis kai qesmoys kairias shmasias gia th leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias, aytoi kyriws, na deixnoyn, se kaqhmerinh bash, diarkws, oti antapokrinontai sthn apostolh toys. Ayto einai mia qesh arxhs poy pisteyw oti mas briskei oloys, ma oloys se ayth th xwra, symfwnoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia kapoioys poy exoyn kinhtra. Poioi einai aytoi; Toys jerete;

REPPAS: An melethsete thn apanthsh moy, qa deite oti h erwthsh sas den prokyptei ws logikh synexeia ths apanthshs poy edwsa. Kante mia allh erwthsh. Exw apanthsei sthn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws apantate; Exete stoixeia oti kapoioi dikastes kinoyntai diaforetika kai poioi einai aytoi;

REPPAS: Edwsa analytikh apanthsh, h opoia htan apolytws safhs. Eipa oti oloi, osoi yphretoyn neyralgikoys tomeis -epeidh krinontai kai aytoi, krinontai oi pantes kai oxi mono oi politikoi- prepei na apodeiknyoyn kaqhmerina oti antapokrinontai sthn apostolh toys. Ayth einai mia qesh arxhs kai isxyei gia oloys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto apeyqynetai ston k. Peponh;

REPPAS: O k. Peponhs, sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn toy, ekane ayto poy nomizei oti eprepe na kanei. H Boylh, symfwna me osa problepei to Syntagma kai o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, qa antimetwpisei ta qemata, analogws twn epilogwn kai twn politikwn prwtoboyliwn twn diaforwn kommatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati eseis ayton apeilhsate proxqes.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, den hsastan sth Boylh gia na gnwrizete th syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ki edw kai sth Boylh htan se @agasth synergasia. Eipate ta idia. To idio ``poihma'' diabasate.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h moira ths kybernhshs, dystyxws. Otan leme akribws ta idia mas kathgoreite. An qewreite oti kapoioi briskontai se mia apoklish, se mia diafora me ayto poy eipe kapoios allos, pali kathgoreite thn kybernhsh. Ti qelete epiteloys apo thn kybernhsh; Antilambaneste, loipon, pws den einai dikaiologhmenh ayth h kritikh. Qa moy epitrecete na pw gia ola ayta ta qemata pws h diaforetikh qesh ths kybernhshs einai akribws ayth: Oloi mporei na einai parontes me to logo toys. Logos poy mporei na einai eyxaristos. Na einai logos ``eyryxwros'', giati oloys mporei na toys ikanopoiei. H kybernhsh, omws, prepei na einai paroysa me tis apofaseis ths kai thn efarmogh toys. Ayth einai h terastia diafora. H kybernhsh krinetai apo ta apotelesmata twn energeiwn ths. Oxi apo to poso eyxaristos einai o logos ths. Emeis krinomaste apo to ergo mas se kaqhmerinh bash. Oloi oi leitoyrgoi, se opoiodhpote tomea ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras, krinontai kai aytoi se kaqhmerinh bash apo to ergo toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qelete na moy peite oti oi dikastikoi tyxaia ebgalan ayth thn anakoinwsh, thn apanthsh; Gia mena thn ebgalan oi dikastes; Gia esas thn ebgalan.

REPPAS: H Dikaiosynh einai aytonomos qesmos. Symfwnoyme, apolytws, oti oi dikastes den mporei kai den prepei na exoyn alla kinhtra. Ayth einai h qesh arxhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na anaferqw sthn perifhmh etairikh sxesh E.E. @ Toyrkias. Polla exoyn lexqei, alla yparxei mia sygxysh. Xqes, eseis @den hmoyn egw edw- eipate oti den ikanopoihse merikes qeseis. Apo thn allh meria tis prwtes meres anaferqhke oti h k. Diamantopoyloy epetyxe na balei mesa @ki etsi einai- to Kypriako kai ta ellhnotoyrkika. H Toyrkia deixnei entona dysaresthmenh me thn apofash. O toyrkikos Typos ballei kata ths koinotikhs politikhs k.tl. O k. Tzem, malista, milhse gia ``ofsait''. Podosfairika to antelhfqh to qema. Kai erwtw loipon: Einai qetiko h arnhtiko to apotelesma ayto gia thn Ellada, ayto to eggrafo poy bghke ths etairikhs sxeshs;

REPPAS: Epeidh mporei na dhmioyrghqei mia parejhghsh qelw na eimai safhs: Eipa oti anti gia th lejh ``ikanopoihsh'', to swsto einai na xrhsimopoihsoyme th frash ``synepeia, pros tis apofaseis toy Elsinki''. Giati, opws eipa, h ejelijh ayth den mporei na xarakthristei ws epikrathsh kapoias pleyras. Einai h fysikh synepeia kai synexeia ths apofashs poy elabe h E.E. sto Elsinki, h opoia prepei na tyxei efarmoghs. H Toyrkia kalo einai na antapokriqei se ayth thn proklhsh. Giati, h Synodos Koryfhs sto Elsinki orise ena plaisio sxesewn Eyrwphs @ Toyrkias, to opoio antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths E.E., alla kai sta symferonta ths Toyrkias. Einai pros to symferon ths Toyrkias na prosarmostei stoys kanones leitoyrgias, poy xarakthrizoyn th stash twn allwn xwrwn kai tis metajy toys sxeseis, sto plaisio ths E.E.. H kritikh poy diatypwnetai apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, mporei na pei kaneis oti dhmioyrgei mia aisqhsh pws h Toyrkia den einai wrimh na dexqei ayto to plaisio poy exei apofasisei h E.E. gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis. Ayto to stoixeio apo mono toy apodeiknyei oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na katabalei prospaqeia gia na kerdisei to eyrwpaiko stoixhma. An thn endiaferei na kerdisei to eyrwpaiko stoixhma. An thn endiaferei h eyrwpaikh prooptikh. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias einai pros to symferon kai ths Toyrkias.

Oson afora to Kypriako, apo thn prwth stigmh, diatypwsame th qesh pws to problhma -to opoio bebaiws antimetwpizetai, oson afora th diastash ths epilyshs toy sto plaisio toy OHE- einai stoixeio poy prepei na perilhfqei sto keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs E.E. @ Toyrkias. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Einai ek twn wn oyk aney. Kata th dikh mas politikh, to Kypriako einai stoixeio poy qa xarakthrisei h qa apotelesei ton katalyth, prokeimenoy na ajiologeitai h stash ths Toyrkias sthn prospaqeia ths na proseggisei thn Eyrwph.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Tzem aporriptei ayto to qema peri Kyproy. Kai erwtw to ejhs: Ayto shmainei oti qa pame sth Nikaia to qema h shmainei oti@

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na katabalei prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na yioqethsei ayto poy gia thn E.E. einai dedomeno. Kai efoson h Toyrkia epilegei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths xwras, den mporei para na dei oti h prooptikh ayth perna kai mesa apo th symbolh ths sthn antimetwpish kai thn epilysh toy kypriakoy qematos. H apofash poy isws lhfqei sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, sto epipedo dhladh ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn ths E.E. gia to keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs, den mporei para na perilambanei kai ayta ta stoixeia. An, bebaiws, den ginei katorqwto na lhfqei apofash sto Symboylio Genikwn ypoqesewn to qema ayto qa antimetwpistei sto plaisio ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Nikaias. Asfalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, epanaferate th diatajh gia toys ``koyloxerhdes'';

REPPAS: Apanthsa, xqes oti h diatajh ayth den afora tipota allo, opws me plhroforoyn apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, para thn ypoxrewsh twn epaggelmatiwn poy diaqetoyn tetoioy eidoys mhxanhmata sta katasthmata toys, na ta promhqeysoyn me ton analogo mhxanismo, wste na antimetwpisoyme fainomena forodiafyghs. Na einai gnwsto, afoy prosarmostei o sxetikos mhxanismos, poia einai ta esoda poy prokyptoyn gia ton kaqe epaggelmatia apo th xrhsh aytwn twn mhxanhmatwn. Ara, loipon, kati poy mexri twra den htan eykolo na katametrhqei, qa einai dynato na ginei efoson ta mhxanhmata ayta efodiastoyn me toys sygkekrimenoys mhxanismoys. Einai ena metro, dhladh, antimetwpishs ths forodiafyghs kai tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete dwsei adeies se tetoia mhxanhmata twra; Yparxoyn tetoies adeies;

REPPAS: Einai ayta ta opoia leitoyrgoyn arketa xronia sthn patrida mas, poy den dieqetan ayton to mhxanismo. Oi armodies oikonomikes yphresies parathrhsan oti h leitoyrgia twn mhxanhmatwn aytwn odhgei se forodiafygh kai gi ayto akribws analambanetai ayth h nomoqetikh prwtoboylia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete dwsei adeies se tetoia mhxanhmata mexri twra;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Leitoyrgoyn edw kai xronia ta mhxanhmata ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nomima;

REPPAS: Asfalws, leitoyrgoyn mesa sta sygkekrimena katasthmata nomimws. Den gnwrizete oti, edw kai xronia, leitoyrgoyn ayta ta mhxanhmata;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth h diatajh poy pernaei apo th Boylh, fwtografizei kapoion gnwsto eisagwgea;

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes, otan chfizoyn, chfizoyn kata syneidhsh kai den einai fwtografoi. Prepei na pacete, epiteloys, na exete ayth thn antilhch. Ta mhxanhmata yparxoyn, den ta promhqeyontai twra. Kai to mhxanismo ayto den qa ton promhqeytei to kratos. Qa ton promhqeyth o kaqe epaggelmatias. Ypoxreoytai na to kanei. Qa symfwneite, pisteyw, ektos ki an eiste yper ths forodiafyghs, pragma poy shmainei oti qelete na parameinei h katastash ws exei. Opoios qelei patajh ths forodiafyghs, den mporei para na einai yper ths dhmioyrgias enos elegktikoy mhxanismoy, me ayto ton texniko tropo, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme poia einai ta esoda gia sygkekrimenoys epaggelmaties, apo th xrhsh aytwn twn mhxanhmatwn. Einai poly logiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta mhxanhmata yparxoyn, dhladh; Ta exei ferei kai meta ginetai h diatajh sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Leitoyrgoyn hdh apo thn epoxh ths N.D.. Qelete na sas dwsw thn ypoyrgikh apofash, basei ths opoias exoyn egkatastaqei ayta ta mhxanhmata; Yparxoyn kai einai egkatesthmena se polla katasthmata se olh thn Ellada.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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