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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TO GENIKO GRAMMATEA TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Kalo meshmeri.

O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, pragmatopoiei dihmerh episkech ergasias sth Rwmh. To programma sas exei koinopoihqei apo xqes. Qa epistrecei ayrio to brady sthn Aqhna. Thn Paraskeyh to prwi qa metabei sth Qessalonikh gia na labei meros stis ergasies syndiaskechs toy PASOK gia thn politikh sto xwro ths Ygeias poy organwnetai ekei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O eisaggeleas k. Peponhs esteile sth Boylh ena oloklhro porisma sto opoio epishmainei politikes eyqynes. H kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh@;

AQANASAKHS: O eisaggeleas epishmainei politikes eyqynes; Qelete na epanadiatypwsete thn erwthsh sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Zhtaei th diereynhsh politikwn eyqynwn. Qa to dexqei h kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Poio k. Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Th diereynhsh twn politikwn eyqynwn gia to ``Samina''.

AQANASAKHS: Den mporei apo ton eisaggelea na tiqetai qema diereynhshs politikwn eyqynwn. Gi ayto eipa na diatypwsete ek neoy thn erwthsh sas. Profanws, mporei na tiqetai qema diereynhshs poinikwn eyqynwn. Etsi den einai;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo politika proswpa.

AQANASAKHS: Allo einai ayto. Ara, qelete na epanadiatypwsete thn erwthsh sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eyqynes se kybernhtika stelexh, an qelete na to poyme genikotera.

AQANASAKHS: Yphrje mia kinhsh apo ton eisaggelea Peiraia k. Peponh, thn opoia gnwrizete. Opws malista paroysiazetai se orismena dhmosieymata, prepei na epishmanw oti einai ws na exei ekdoqei hdh h dikastikh apofash kai na exoyn anakoinwqei oi katadikastikes apofaseis, pragma bebaiws, toylaxiston atopo. Pragmati, sto plaisio aytoy toy porismatos toy eisaggelea, exei stalei sth Boylh to sxetiko eggrafo. Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia sygkekrimenh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia gi ayta ta qemata, h opoia problepei thn ypobolh protashs apo 30 boyleytes gia na kinhqei h diadikasia. Efoson apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs yparjei h analogh politikh apofash kai h analogh politikh energeia, tote qa doqei kai h deoysa politikh apanthsh apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. An moy epitrepete, omws, ena sxolio. Qelw na epishmanw oti h sygkekrimenh anafora toy eisaggelea Peiraia anaferetai apodesmeymenh apo thn hmera toy nayagioy, se mia sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia kai se ena sygkekrimeno tajidi ton Ioylio. To epishmainw epeidh blepw oti yparxei mia sygxysh kai mia eyqeia syndesh me to nayagio. Se ola ta epimeroys qemata, qa doqoyn tekmhriwmenes apanthseis apo to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, opws exei pei o Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias, apo xqes. Sas ypenqymizw, epishs, th dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias kai th qesh ths kybernhshs oti se ola ayta ta qemata qa xyqei apleto fws. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai na symbalei sthn paroxh ekeinwn twn stoixeiwn poy apaitoyntai, akribws gia na xyqei apleto fws. Ypenqymizw, epishs, oti molis proxqes egine diejodikh syzhthsh sth Boylh, ystera apo protash ths antipoliteyshs, gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh einai dedomeno oti oi 30 boyleytes yparxoyn, h kybernhsh qa dexqei; Giati th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs den th dexqhke.

AQANASAKHS: Sas janalew, loipon: Na perimenoyme th sygkekrimenh politikh apofash ths antipoliteyshs, th sygkekrimenh politikh energeia ths ypobolhs ths sygkekrimenhs protashs, kata ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs kai tote qa yparjei h deoysa apanthsh. Gnwrizete poly kala, poses fores exoyme anaferqei sthn antiqesh mas gia thn poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy. Opws epishs -qa prosqeta shmera- kai thn antiqesh mas se opoiadhpote prospaqeia gia thn politikopoihsh ths Dikaiosynhs.

KARGOYDH: Apo thn teleytaia sas parathrhsh, me thn ypenqymish pagiwn qesewn ths kybernhshs gia thn poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs kai thn politikopoihsh ths Dikaiosynhs, nomizete oti to porisma toy eisaggelea Peiraia empiptei se aytes tis kathgories;

AQANASAKHS: Den qelw na kanw kanena allo sxolio.

FILHS: H koinopoihsh toy eggrafoy toy eisaggelea sth Boylh einai mia prajh h opoia kalei thn kybernhsh kai to kybernwn komma, na parei mia qesh. To kybernwn komma, me dikh toy prwtoboylia kai h kybernhsh kai oi katonomazomenoi ypoyrgoi se ayto to eggrafo toy eisaggelea, prokeitai na analaboyn kapoia eyqynh, wste na diereynhqoyn osa einai piqanon na toys katalogizontai;

AQANASAKHS: Sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias egine diejodikh syzhthsh molis proxqes, sto politiko epipedo.

FILHS: Exoyme ena kainoyrgio stoixeio. Mexri xqes den gnwrizame oti yparxei to eggrafo toy eisaggelea. Den yphrxe. Shmera yparxei to eggrafo toy eisaggelea.

AQANASAKHS: To eggrafo ayto to meleta kaneis kai bgazei ta symperasmata toy, giati blepw oti h syzhthsh ginetai ws to eggrafo toy sygkekrimenoy eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy na apotelei hdh dikastikh, kai malista katadikastikh apofash. Den anaferomai se sas.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai an yparxei h politikh eyqijia sthn kybernhsh na analabei thn prwtoboylia, na diereynhqoyn osa katalogizontai me to sygkekrimeno eisaggeliko eggrafo kai taytoxrona, an h kybernhsh qelei na bgalei apo thn trexoysa kommatikh antiparaqesh to qema twn piqanwn poinikwn eyqynwn kybernhtikwn stelexwn kai me dikh ths prwtoboylia kai oxi me prwtoboylia ths antipoliteyshs, na to ferei pros syzhthsh sto ellhniko koinoboylio.

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, h kybernhsh paroysiase analytika tis qeseis ths sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Deyteron, yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy problepetai gia thn kinhsh ths diadikasias sygkrothshs Proanakritikhs Epitrophs. Qa sas ferw ena paradeigma: Symfwna me ton kanonismo ths Boylhs to eggrafo to opoio prepei na katateqei apo toys 30 boyleytes, qa prepei na anaferetai analytika stis kathgories, mazi me ta sygkekrimena arqra toy Poinikoy Kwdika poy exoyn parabiastei. Antilambaneste oti se ayto poy moy zhtate na analabei prwtoboylia h kybernhsh, h apanthsh einai aytonohth. Epanalambanw, omws, th qesh h opoia leei oti h kybernhsh -to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai h kybernhsh synolika- symballei kai qa synexisei na symballei, wste na xyqei apleto fws se olh ayth thn istoria, poy afora eite to eidikotero qema toy nayagioy, eite genikotera ta qemata ths aktoploias.

FILHS: Me poio tropo, otan h dikastikh ereyna qa stamata sto katwfli ths poinikhs eyqynhs twn politikwn proswpwn;. Pws qa bohqa h kybernhsh th dikastikh ereyna otan h dikastikh ereyna fqanei sto abato;

AQANASAKHS: Exw oloklhrwsei tis apanthseis moy gia to qema ayto.

FILHS: Eipate oti qa bohqaei. Kai sas erwtw, pws qa bohqaei h kybernhsh na xyqei apleto fws sthn ypoqesh ayth h se paremfereis@;

AQANASAKHS: Parexontas plhreis apanthseis, parexontas ta aparaithta stoixeia, apantwntas se opoiadhpote erwthsh yfistatai.

FILHS: Afoy exei teqei hdh ena eggrafo apo ton eisaggelea, to opoio den lambanetai ypoch apo thn kybernhsh. Pws bohqaei thn ereyna;

AQANASAKHS: Exw oloklhrwsei thn apanthsh moy gia to qema ayto.

MPOTWNHS: Qa ephreastoyn kai poso oi ellhno-amerikanikes sxeseis, meta thn allagh froyras sto Leyko Oiko;

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, den exei teleiwsei akomh h katametrhsh twn chfwn -epeidh eipate gia "allagh froyras".

MPOTWNHS: Etsi ki alliws, qa yparjei. Pantws, Klinton den qa einai.

AQANASAKHS: Ypoqetw oti parakoloyqhsate oloi, mexri teleytaia stigmh, th diadikasia ths ekloghs. Apo o,ti eida, sto synoliko ariqmo twn chfwn prohgeitai o k. Gkor. H eklogh krinetai sth Florida, ayth thn wra, me mia diafora peripoy xiliwn chfwn. Qa yparjei to teliko apotelesma kai qa yparjei neos Proedros stis HPA. H kybernhsh apo thn pleyra ths, ayto poy mporei na pei ayth th stigmh, einai oti prosblepei se synexish ths synergasias me thn kybernhsh twn HPA, toso gia ta qemata idiaiteroy ellhnikoy endiaferontos, oso kai genikotera qemata, eite aforoyn thn perioxh mas, eite prokeitai gia ta loipa dieqnh zhthmata.

KARAKWSTAS: Pisteyete oti toys treis mhnes poy qa parelqoyn ews otoy fygei o aperxomenos Proedros, endexomenws na allajei kati se sxesh me thn politikh twn HPA, eite se sxesh me ta ellhno-toyrkika, eite to Kypriako;

AQANASAKHS: Den mporw na apanthsw se apolytws ypoqetikes erwthseis. Apo th dikh mas pleyra, ayto poy ofeiloyme na kanoyme einai na parakoloyqoyme thn ejelijh twn qematwn, na parexoyme th dikh mas syneisfora, na anaptyssoyme tis safeis qeseis mas, na proaspizoyme ta symferonta ths xwras mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw se prohgoymeno qema. O k. Peponhs, dhladh, qelei na poinikopoihsei thn politikh zwh; Aytos htan o stoxos poy esteile to eggrafo sth Boylh; Eixe tetoio stoxo;

AQANASAKHS: Den mporw na anaferqw se proqeseis kai na katalogisw proqeseis. Gia kanenan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, prohgoymenws, milhsate gia poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs.

AQANASAKHS: An prosejete pws to eipa, qa deite oti mporw na apantw sthn erwthsh poy kanete twra, me ton tropo poy apantw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati akomh, gia kati poy eipe, xqes, o k. Reppas, gia ta kwlymata twn boyleytwn -gia tis ypochfiothtes, to asymbibasto k.t.l.- oti exei proxwrhsei. Ti akribws exei apofasisei, dhladh;

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai mia syzhthsh poy ginetai sto pedio ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, ths Eidikhs Epitrophs kai sth synexeia sthn Olomeleia. Gnwrizete oti einai mia eyreia syzhthsh. Me aformh kai tis teleytaies apofaseis poy yphrjan, nomizw oti yparxei ena eyrytero klima synaineshs sto epipedo twn kommatwn. Alla, to qema poy qetete, den einai qema poy qa to lysoyme edw, ayth th stigmh. Einai poly eidiko.

FILHS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, sxetika me to aithma toy Papa na episkefqei thn Aqhna, kata thn metabash toy gia proskynhma sth Damasko, dedomenoy oti o arxhgos ths Rwmaiokaqolikhs Ekklhsias einai kai arxhgos kratoys, me to opoio exei diplwmatikes sxeseis h Ellada;

AQANASAKHS: To qema den exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh, giati den exei teqei se ayth. Den yparxei, ews ayth th stigmh, kati sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Opws swsta epishmanate, o arxhgos ths Rwmaiokaqolikhs Ekklhsias exei kai thn idiothta toy arxhgoy kratoys. Kai ypo ayth thn ennoia, einai panta eyprosdektos sth xwra mas, se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh.

FILHS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei me aformh thn epimonh orismenwn politwn na ypografoyn ta nea deltia taytothtas kai sthn ypografh toys na bazoyn -ws meros ths ypografhs toys- thn endeijh X.O.;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto syzhthqhke sthn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, opote perimenoyme thn apofash ths. Afoy th doyme, qa poyme kai tis apoceis mas.

FILHS: Syzhthqhke, giati prosefyge h kybernhsh. Alliws den qa syzhtiotan. Den phge poliths na to zhthsei. H Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn syzhtei to qema, profanws katopin aithmatos poy diatypwse to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

AQANASAKHS: Den eimai kaqoloy bebaios gi ayto poy lete. Qa to elegjw. Yphrjan kai sxetika dhmosieymata.

BITALHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh, sta nea deltia poy qa dwsei, poy qa ekdoqoyn, qa dexqei na yparxei "X.O." dipla sthn ypografh;

AQANASAKHS: Qa apanthsw teleiws qewrhtika. Kai sta nea kai sta palia deltia -ayto den allazei- yparxei ena tetragwno sto opoio mpainei h ypografh. Ean h ypografh sas exei @25 grammata toy alfabhtoy, den yparxei kamia diadikasia na epibaloyme na allajei. H ypografh toy polith mpainei.

BITALHS: Ean h ypografh ekfrazei kai ena stoixeio proswpikoy dedomenoy, ti ginetai;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto qa mas to pei h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Egw sas lew, genika, oti yparxei ena tetragwno sto opoio bazei kaneis thn ypografh toy.

FILHS: Poios thn orizei thn ypografh kaqenos; O kaqenas leei "egw qelw na balw ayto". Mporei kapoios na qelei na balei stayro.

AQANASAKHS: O kaqenas lete eseis, o kaqenas lew ki egw, o kaqenas leei kai opoios allos. Na doyme ti leei kai h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas sta osa anefere o prwhn ypoyrgos kai boyleyths toy PASOK, o k. G. Arsenhs, sxetika me ton "prwino kafe" ton opoio ton xarakthrise "anqygieino". Milame gia thn prwinh syskech poy ginetai sto Megaro Majimoy.

AQANASAKHS: Prepei na sas pw oti den parakoloyqhsa oloklhrh th sxetikh synenteyjh. Eida kapoia dhmosieymata. Kaqe stelexos toy PASOK diatypwnei eleyqera thn apoch toy. Den exw logo egw na kanw kapoio sxolio.

ALEJAKH: Ton teleytaio kairo, einai polla kybernhtika stelexh, ypoyrgoi kai boyleytes, poy diatypwnoyn sxolia, amfisbhtwntas thn politikh, eite kanontas kritikh. Anarwtiemai: Ayta ta sxolia ta opoia ginontai kata kairoys, ta lambanei ypoch toy o Prwqypoyrgos; Exei kapoion problhmatismo pros thn kateyqynsh oti "mhpws kanoyme kapoia laqh, na ta janadoyme"; Yparxei ayto mesa sthn kybernhsh; Yparxei aytos o problhmatismos ston Prwqypoyrgo, me aformh pantote ayta ta sxolia twn stelexwn;

AQANASAKHS: Toso sto epipedo toy PASOK, oso kai sto epipedo ths Kybernhshs, o zwntanos dialogos, me thn eilikrinh probolh qesewn kai apocewn, einai panta xrhsimos. To PASOK -kai h kybernhsh, giati milw gia logariasmo ths- to exoyn apodeijei ayto, ola ayta ta xronia.

ALEJAKH: Eipate oti o eilikrinhs dialogos einai panta xrhsimos. Edw, omws, exoyme kapoies epishmanseis. Ki otan prokeitai gia stelexh ths kybernhshs, mhpws yparxei kapoios problhmatismos; Skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos oti mporei na exoyn kai dikio se orismena pragmata h aporriptei aytes tis epishmanseis;

AQANASAKHS: Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn diadikasies, kai sto epipedo ths Kybernhshs -gia thn opoia mporw na milhsw apo ayto to bhma- kai sto epipedo toy PASOK -gia to opoio mporw na milhsw otan katebw apo ayto to bhma- organwn poy synedriazoyn gia sygkekrimena qemata kai lambanoyn sygkekrimenes apofaseis, me syllogikes diadikasies. Olh ayth h diadikasia, proypoqetei dialogo kai antallagh apocewn. An eprokeito na mpainoyme se mia synedriash gia na ekfrazoyme oloi tis idies apoceis, den qa eixe nohma na dapanoyme to xrono gia th sygkekrimenh synedriash.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh, yparxei periptwsh p.x. na kalesei o Prwqypoyrgos ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai na toy pei "ela edw Akh, ayta poy eipes me problhmatisan, qelw na ta koybentiasoyme"; Yparxei mia tetoia periptwsh;

AQANASAKHS: Otan prosdiorizontai synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, sas anakoinwnontai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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