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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Oktwbrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs syzhthqhke apokleistika o Proypologismos toy kratoys gia to epomeno etos. H syzhthsh qa ginei pio ektetamena sthn ayrianh synedriash toy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy, meta to peras ths opoias qa ginoyn analytika oi sxetikes dhlwseis epi olwn twn qematwn poy qa apofasistoyn. Milw panta gia ton Proypologismo.

Menontas se orismenoys genikoys ajones, mporw na anaferw oti o Proypologismos poy prokeitai na katateqei ayrio sth Boylh, einai o prwtos Proypologismos ths entos ONE Elladas. Einai o prwtos Proypologismos mias neas periodoy, einai o prwtos kratikos Proypologismos poy paroysiazei xarakthristika, opws p.x. oti einai pleonasmatikos meta apo 35 xronia. Ta stoixeia peiqoyn oti exoyme dhmioyrghsei ena kekthmeno isxyrhs oikonomias, poy apotelei kai thn kalyterh afethria gia toys stoxoys poy epiqymoyme na epityxoyme thn epomenh periodo, symfwna me osa exoyme ejaggeilei proeklogika, symfwna me tis desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei, symfwna me tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei gia synafh qemata sto ypoyrgiko symboylio.

O Proypologismos aytos einai Proypologismos koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai eyaisqhsias, giati seira metrwn afora tis asqenesteres oikonomika omades ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Einai Proypologismos staqerothtas, giati anadeiknyei anaglyfa ta apotelesmata ths ejygianshs poy exoyme epityxei, oson afora thn oikonomia mas. Einai Proypologismos anaptyjhs, afoy gia allh mia fora epitygxanoyme akomh ychlotero ryqmo anaptyjhs, se sxesh me ton prohgoymeno xrono. To 1999 o ryqmos anaptyjhs kinhqhke se pososto 4,1% toy AEP. O stoxos einai efiktos gia ton epomeno xrono. Einai, o ryqmos anaptyjhs na kinhqei se epipedo 5%. Antilambaneste poies einai oi qetikes synepeies ths ejelijhs ayths gia thn antimetwpish seiras qematwn. Arkoymai na anaferw ayto poy endiaferei oloys mas, thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias.

O Proypologismos aytos einai Proypologismos synepeias, giati opws akribws eixame ejaggeilei kai desmeytei den problepei neoys foroys. Antiqetws, me ton Proypologismo ayto sto plaisio ths forologikhs politikhs ths Kybernhshs odhgoymaste se nees forologikes elafrynseis, poy aforoyn idiaiterws sympolites mas poy anhkoyn sta strwmata me ta xamhlotera eisodhmata.

@Opws sas eipa o Proypologismos einai o prwtos pleonasmatikos, edw kai arketes dekaeties. Paroysiazei ena pleonasma peripoy 200 disekatommyriwn draxmwn, se pososto dhladh 0,5% toy AEP. Kai ayto einai ena para poly shmantiko epiteygma. Anoigei enas neos kyklos. Pisteyoyme oti mporoyme na epityxoyme oi Proypologismoi toy ellhnikoy kratoys na einai efejhs pantote pleonasmatikoi. Na mporoyme etsi na ejyphretoyme ta xreh poy exei h xwra mas, apo ta prohgoymena xronia, xwris na yponomeyetai h anaptyjiakh poreia ths, xwris taytoxrona na steroymaste porwn gia na askhsoyme koinwnikh politikh, bohqwntas toys sympolites mas poy exoyn anagkh ayths ths bohqeias.

To koinwniko xrwma aytoy toy Proypologismoy fainetai idiaiterws apo ta ejhs stoixeia:

-Ayjanetai se pososto 30% to epidoma koinwnikhs allhleggyhs poy afora peripoy 400.000 xamhlosyntajioyxoys.

-Ayjanetai kata 5.000 draxmes mhniaiws h syntajh poy xorhgeitai stoys syntajioyxoys toy OGA, poy einai peripoy 800.000.

-Timariqmopoieitai h forologikh klimaka se pososto 5% panw apo ton plhqwrismo poy shmeiwsame thn periodo ayth.

-Ayjanetai to aforologhto orio kata 400.000 draxmes.

Ayta ta opoia endeiktika anaferw, apoteloyn adiaceysta stoixeia gia thn proodo poy exei epitelesei h ellhnikh oikonomia kai taytoxrona gia thn eyaisqhsia poy deixnei h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na bohqhsei sympolites mas na ejasfalisoyn kalyteres synqhkes zwhs.

Sto plaisio ths shmerinhs synedriashs apofasisthke, kat` arxas @ayrio qa apofasistoyn oi leptomereies efarmoghs toy metroy- na xorhghqei ena ektakto epidoma qermanshs, opws to onomazoyme, se kathgories sympolitwn mas, meta thn arnhtikh ejelijh poy shmeiwqhke me th diathrhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy qermanshs se poly ychla epipeda.

Qa perioristw se ayta, prosqetontas monon oti egine epishs mneia stis trexoyses ejelijeis, oson afora thn timh toy petrelaioy kai thn timh toy dolarioy. Ektimhqhke oti to petrelaio qa exei timh poy qa kymainetai se ychla epipeda gia arketoys mhnes. Oi probleceis, dhladh, einai -qa elega- perissotero dysoiwnes, se sxesh me tis arxikes ektimhseis poy eixan ginei. Opws, epishs, fainetai oti kai to ``EYRW'' paramenei se epipeda xamhlotera twn anamenomenwn. Ektimatai oti o shmantikos, isws o kaqoristikoteros olwn, logos gi ayth thn ejelijh, einai to oti den exei ylikh ypostash to nomisma ayto, poy xrhsimopoieitai logistika mono. Ektimatai oti apo to 2002 poy qa xrhsimopoihqei ws fysiko nomisma, h poreia ayth qa antistrafei qeamatika.

Oi dysxereies poy dhmioyrgoyntai gia oles tis oikonomies kai gia thn ellhnikh, meta apo tis teleytaies ejelijeis, einai xarakthristiko oti antimetwpizontai apo th xwra mas, me enan tropo poy apodeiknyei kai aytos ta oikonomika epiteygmata. To epidoma, fer eipein, qermanshs gia thn antimetwpish ayths ths ektakths anagkhs, einai kati poy qespizetai sth xwra mas. Den yparxei analogo metro se alles xwres ths E.E. h ta metra poy lambanontai se alles xwres ths E.E., sto Belgio gia paradeigma h se kapoies alles xwres, aforoyn kyriws epixeirhseis kai ligotero ta noikokyria. Dikos mas stoxos einai na bohqhsoyme, kyriws, toys sympolites mas poy exoyn xamhlo eisodhma kai qigetai o oikogeneiakos proypologismos toys apo thn ychlh ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy qermanshs.

Olh h syzhthsh perioristhke kai epikentrwqhke sto qema toy Proypologismoy. Arkoymai, loipon, se ayta poy sas eipa, epifylassomenos na epanelqoyme ayrio me perissotera stoixeia, meta tis apofaseis poy qa laboyme.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai sto xqesino qema. O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton k. Gilmaz, meta apo ayto poy eipe kai xarakthrise toys Ellhnes, oyte ligo, oyte poly apatewnes;

REPPAS: Apanthsame se ayto to qema, xqes. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. H kybernhsh mas @to gnwrizete ayto- den allazei qesh apo mera se mera, opws symbainei se alles paratajeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, dhladh, qa synanthqei; Den fobatai mhpws bgei me eji daktyla, meta;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos den fobatai, opws isws foboyntai kapoioi alloi, synanthseis me Toyrkoys ajiwmatoyxoys, giati panta prowqei mia politikh arxwn, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. H politikh ayth exei sygkekrimeno periexomeno poy bebaia prepei kai sthn prajh na apodeiknyetai. O Prwqypoyrgos exei ejaggeilei mia qesh apo th stigmh poy anelabe ta kaqhkonta toy: Oti h Ellada prepei na einai paroysa stis ejelijeis. Qa eimaste parontes ki ekei, me ton tropo poy epiballei to eqniko symferon. H Ellada den fobatai.

MOYRTHS: Xqes, eipate pws an einai etsi oi dhlwseis toy k. Gilmaz, mhpws eixate thn eykairia sto metajy, na diapistwsete ean einai etsi@

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetiko erwthma. Paramenw se ayth thn apanthsh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia osa eipe o k. Ntenktas se synenteyjh toy se kyriakatiko fyllo;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei gia ola ayta ta qemata. O k. Ntenktas einai apodedeigmena enas arnhtikos paragontas sthn prospaqeia poy kataballei h dieqnhs koinothta gia thn antimetwpish kai epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Einai ej ekeinwn poy den nomimopoioyntai na omiloyn en onomati toy kypriakoy qematos, giati h olh politikh stash toy epibarynei ayth thn prospaqeia.

Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, qa prepei mallon na dinei ejhghseis, para na kataggellei h na zhta apo alloys ejhghseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Para ta osa mas anaferate gia ton Proypologismo, en toytois anaferw ena stoixeio to opoio den einai eyoiwno gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Ta esoda apo th forologia einai sxedon sto hmisy apo ta persina. Dhladh, h kybernhsh problepei oti den qa paei kala to Xrhmatisthrio;

REPPAS: Exoyme mia ysterhsh esodwn apo th forologhsh twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn poy ftanei peripoy ta 150 dis. draxmes, se sxesh me tis arxikes probleceis. Eytyxws, omws, exoyme ena poly ikanopoihtiko apotelesma sta esoda, logw ths poly pio paragwgikhs leitoyrgias twn elegktikwn kai foroeispraktikwn mhxanismwn toy kratoys mas, me apotelesma na mh dhmioyrgeitai opoiosdhpote kindynos apo thn ysterhsh ayth sto sygkekrimeno tomea gia thn askhsh ths koinwnikhs politikhs, opws thn eixame ejaggeilei. Asfalws, oi ejelijeis sto Xrhmatisthrio ektimwntai se nea bash. Kai me bash th leitoyrgia toy, katw apo tis shmerines synqhkes, h kybernhsh sto plaisio toy Proypologismoy kanei tis probleceis ths gia to epomeno etos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh gia ton k. Gilmaz, eipate oti "o Prwqypoyrgos den fobatai, h Ellada den fobatai". Ti nohma exei, meta apo aytes tis sklhres dhlwseis toy k. Gilmaz, na synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos mazi toy; Ti perimenei h Ellada apo ayth th synanthsh;

REPPAS: H Ellada den xanei thn eykairia na kanei gnwstes tis qeseis ths se kaqe apodekth kai na dhlwnei eyqews oti einai mia xwra poy epiqymei thn eirhnh kai th staqerothta sthn perioxh, prowqei th filia, thn kalh geitonia kai th synergasia kai apaitei na deixnoyn analogh symperifora kai oi alles xwres, exontas toys idioys stoxoys. Taytoxrona, se kaqe eykairia, qa epishmainoyme tis eyqynes poy exoyn oloi ekeinoi, oi opoioi me thn arnhtikh stash toys den dieykolynoyn mia ejelijh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Exoyme ypoxrewsh na to kanoyme ayto. Einai o kalyteros tropos -epanalambanw- na eimaste parontes, na diatypwnoyme tis apoceis mas, na anaptyssoyme ta epixeirhmata mas. Pisteyoyme oti etsi diasfalizoyme kalytera to eqniko symferon.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: To ektakto epidoma qermanshs poy qa dwsei h kybernhsh qa einai panw apo 50.000;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti oi leptomereies gia to qema ayto qa syzhthqoyn kai qa apofasistoyn ayrio.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den exei apofasistei to ycos toy epidomatos;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na ektimhqei poios einai o ariqmos twn sympolitwn mas poy dikaioyntai ayto to epidoma. Me poio tropo qa doqei, basei isws kapoias klimakwshs. Tote kai mono tote qa gnwrizoyme poio qa einai to akribes poso poy qa eisprajei kaqe dikaioyxos. Ola ayta, qa ta antimetwpisoyme sto plaisio ths ayrianhs syzhthshs.

FILHS: Oi plhrofories lene oti o Prwqypoyrgos dexetai antikroyomenes eishghseis ws bash ths omilias poy qa ejaggeilei, thn Paraskeyh, sth syndiaskech gia ta ergasiaka poy diorganwnei to kybernwn komma. Yparxei kati safestero;

REPPAS: Exoyme ejaggeilei pws ayth h tetraetia einai gia mas tetraetia apasxolhshs. Gnwrizete oti meta thn apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, to perasmeno kalokairi, exei jekinhsei enas koinwnikos dialogos metajy twn forewn, prokeimenoy na broyme tis kalyteres lyseis, me eyrytath synainesh, gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy problhmatos poy mastizei th xwra mas. To anagnwrizoyme ayto. Bebaiws, miloyn aytoi poy ekproswpoyn sygkekrimenes koinwnikes omades, poy omws exoyn ergasia. O dialogos, omws, aytos prepei na afora kyriws aytoys poy briskontai ektos twn teixwn, toys makroxronia anergoys, idiaiterws toys neoys ths patridas mas poy den exoyn ergasia. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy thn Paraskeyh -kai den einai toy parontos na milhsw gia to periexomeno ayths ths omilias- qa anaferqei se ola ayta ta qemata, me bash osa eixan perilhfqei sto proeklogiko programma toy PASOK. Ayth einai h bash twn desmeysewn mas, ara kai h bash ths politikhs poy qa efarmosoyme. Sto plaisio, loipon, ayths ths politikhs qa kinhqei h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

FILHS: H kybernhsh isxyrizetai, opws eipate, oti epidiwjh ths, me to neo nomo gia ta ergasiaka, einai h antimetwpish ths anergias. Wstoso, yparxei mia diastash me bash ta osa eixate pei eseis kai oi diaforoi koinwnikoi foreis, sxetika me tis kybernhtikes protaseis. Qeloyme na jeroyme an yparxei kapoia anamorfwsh h kapoia ypoxwrhsh apo tis arxikes protaseis ths kybernhshs me bash to dhmosio dialogo kai an sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti polles dhmoskophseis deixnoyn me ena eyrhma oti h megalh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy katalogizei sthn kybernhsh oti den lambanei apofaseis gia to qema ths akribeias.

REPPAS: Pragmati, den yparxei symptwsh apocewn, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai metajy ths kybernhshs kai twn koinwnikwn forewn. Ayto to opoio prepei na pw einai oti kapoia stigmh, oxi sto apwtero mellon, ayth thn periodo, qa prepei na katalhjoyme se sygkekrimenes protaseis, giati prepei na qesoyme se efarmogh mia politikh. Aythn poy qa symfwnhsoyme -makari na prokycei tetoia symfwnia- aythn poy qewroyme swsth. Gati den yparxei periqwrio adraneias h apoysias apo thn antimetwpish ths anergias. Kata ta alla, prepei na sas pw oti exoyme apofasisei to plaisio, wste na to syzhthsoyme me toys koinwnikoys etairoys. Exoyme boylhsh kai apofasistikothta na proxwrhsoyme se sygkekrimena metra, me thn oloklhrwsh aytoy toy kykloy syzhthsewn, analambanontas, opoy xreiazetai, tis analoges nomoqetikes prwtoboylies. Giati, ayto to opoio den prepei na kanoyme einai na parameinoyme "adraneis". To problhma yparxei, megalwnei, xreiazetai na to antimetwpisoyme kai prepei na paroyme apofaseis kai na drasoyme twra, oxi ayrio. Oson afora to qema ths akribeias sto opoio anaferqhkate, qa epishmanw oti o xamhlos plhqwrismos, poy exoyme epityxei ta teleytaia xronia, antilambaneste pws einai mia dikleida asfaleias -qa to onomaza etsi- wste na mhn ejanemizontai ta eisodhmata. Qa elega, omws, oti h lejh "akribeia" -to gnwrizete poly kala- exei ejafanistei, ta teleytaia xronia, apo to lejilogio twn Ellhnwn h kai apo toys titloys twn efhmeridwn. Zhtw apo sas na paroysiasete mia efhmerida h opoia, enocei eortwn, Xristoygennwn, Pasxa h allwn argiwn poy yparxei mia ayjhmenh katanalwsh kai zhthsh proiontwn, exei yioqethsei tetoioys titloys, pragma to opoio htan kanonas prin tessera h pente xronia. Antilambaneste pws exei syntelestei shmantikh proodos kai ayto deixnei pws exoyme petyxei thn ejygiansh ths oikonomias, pws einai kekthmeno h isxyrh oikonomia me anaptyjiakoys ryqmoys, poy einai prwtofaneis sto plaisio ths E.E. Kai einai shmantiko oti yparxoyn oles oi proypoqeseis, wste to fainomeno ayto na mhn einai peristasiako, alla na apotelesei ena monimo xarakthristiko ths ellhnikhs oikonomias ta epomena xronia.

FILHS: Hqela na rwthsw, sxetika me to ESR, poy qa ginei syzhthsh kai sth Boylh. Xqes, yphrje mia synanthsh toy k. Karamanlh me ton Proedro ths Boylhs. Qelw na gnwrizw an o Proedros ths Boylhs einai en gnwsei kai symfwnei me tis syzhtoymenes ryqmiseis, sxetika me ton tropo epiloghs twn melwn toy ESR kai ton tropo orismoy toy Proedroy kai toy Antiproedroy toy ESR. An, dhladh, symfwnei oti den prepei na exei aythn thn armodiothta na orizei aytos ton Proedro kai ton Antiproedro, opws isxyei mexri shmera kai an yparxei kapoia ektimhsh apo esas gia thn epixeirhsh ayth toy diabhmatos toy k. Karamanlh ston Proedro ths Boylhs.

REPPAS: H ryqmish poy exei apotypwqei sto keimeno apofashs ths Epitrophs gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, alla kai h diatajh poy chfise h Epitroph ths Boylhs kata th syzhthsh toy nomosxedioy gia th sygkrothsh toy ESR, anaferontai kai oi dyo sth diaskech twn Proedrwn ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn ws toy Organoy, mesw toy opoioy qa epilegontai o Proedros, o Antiproedros kai ta melh toy ESR. O Proedros ths Boylhs, asfalws, gnwrizei aytes tis diatajeis. Prepei na sas pw oti symfwnei me to oti prepei h diaskech twn Proedrwn na einai to Organo poy qa epilegei toys epikefalhs kai ta melh toy ESR. H episkech, xqes, toy k. Karamanlh ston k. Kaklamanh, egine gia logoys entypwsewn. Htan, omws, apokalyptiko to gegonos oti o k. Karamanlhs, me th dhlwsh toy, apedeije gia mia akomh fora pws agnoei th nomoqesia poy isxyei sth xwra mas gia th leitoyrgia twn radiothleoptikwn staqmwn. Zhthse, fer` eipein, na ekxwrhqei sto ESR armodiothta, thn opoia to ESR exei edw kai polla xronia. Emfanisthke me idiaiterws antifatikes qeseis: Apo th mia anaferqhke sthn anagkh na ekxwrhqoyn twra oi armodiothtes sto ESR, me katarghsh toy shmera problepomenoy elegxoy nomimothtas twn apofasewn toy ESR apo ton Ypoyrgo Typoy. Apo thn allh, thn idia stigmh zhta th xronikh metaqesh ths syzhthshs toy nomosxedioy gia kapoioys mhnes. Kai pantws, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths syzhthshs kai chfishs twn ypo anaqewrhshs diatajewn toy Syntagmatos. Apo th mia, loipon, zhtoyn na ekxwrhsoyme tis armodiothtes, apo thn allh zhtoyn na mh syzhthsoyme to nomosxedio. Ayto deixnei oti h N.D. brisketai se plhrh adynamia programmatikhs antiparaqeshs me thn kybernhsh. Kineitai me tropo spasmwdiko, mono kai mono gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, giati h mikrokommatikh skopimothta kai mono, einai ayth poy kaqorizei thn politikh stash ths kaqe mera kai tipota allo.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh ton parallhlismo toy k. Pasxalidh, metajy twn Olympionikwn kai ths maqhtikhs epidoshs toy nearoy Albanoy, gia to ti einai kalytero, me aformh thn ypoqesh ths shmaias;

REPPAS: Sysswmh h politeiakh kai politikh hgesia ths xwras mas exei timhsei me tropo jexwristo toys Ellhnes Olympionikes. Mas ekanan yperhfanoys giati se olo ton kosmo edeijan pws o ellhnikos aqlhtismos ajizei na brisketai sto baqro. H Ellada twn Olympionikwn einai h Ellada olwn mas. Apo thn allh enas maqhths, enas neos poy zei sthn patrida mas ajiopoiei tis dynatothtes poy toy prosferei to ekpaideytiko mas systhma kai aristeyei. Ayto einai phgh ikanopoihshs gia ton idio, giati ameibetai h prospaqeia toy me ayto ton tropo. Ikanopoiei, omws, ki emas, giati diapistwnoyme oti enas maqhths poy kataballei prospaqeia kai ajiopoiei ta mesa poy toy diaqetei h ellhnikh politeia diakrinetai kai dhmioyrgei tis proypoqeseis gia mia zwh me diakriseis. Ton sygxairoyme kai elpizoyme na synexisei se ayto to dromo.

MIXAHL: Egw zhthsa, ean epidokimazete h apodokimazete ton parallhlismo toy k. Pasxalidh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa kai hmoyn safhs. H Ellada twn Olympionikwn mas kanei oloys perhfanoys. Alla kai h Ellada twn aristoyxwn mas kanei perhfanoys.

MIXAHL: Sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh poy edwse xqes o k. Karamanlhs stis aitiaseis gia to ``poqen esxes'' toy;

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh gia ena qema poy afora mia proswpikh dhlwsh toy, th dhlwsh toy ``poqen esxes''. H diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai me thn ypobolh twn sxetikwn dhlwsewn, einai dhmosia kai diafanhs diadikasia. Kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai na afosiwqoyn oi politikoi sta kyria kaqhkonta toys. Na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme ta pragmatika problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites. Kai gia na to petyxoyme ayto prepei na diaqetoyme sygkekrimenes protaseis, na efarmozoyme programma politikhs poy mporei na dwsei apanthseis stis proklhseis twn kairwn. Ayto exei shmasia kai se ayto to pedio prepei na metatopistei h politikh kai kommatikh antiparaqesh. Ayto einai kati poy epizhtoyme. Th sygkrish, alla kai th sygkroysh me thn antipoliteysh sto politiko pedio den th fobomaste. Giati mesw ayths pistopoieitai staqera h programmatikh kai politikh yperoxh ths kybernhshs.

MOYRTZHS: Orismenoi Olympionikes, qewrhsan toys eaytoys toys qigmenoys apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Pasxalidh. Orismenoi ekanan dhlwseis, xarakthrisan tis dhlwseis toy k. Pasxalidh, toylaxiston, afeleis. Kai synedriazei ayrio -an den kanw laqos- to syndikalistiko toys organo.

REPPAS: Qa elega oti oi Ellhnes Olympionikes, epeidh h Politeia toys timhse ston ychlotero baqmo, me jexwristo tropo, den prepei na diatypwnoyn tetoioy eidoys parapona. Exoyn thn agaph mas kai thn anagnwrish mas gia thn jexwristh ajia toys. O k. Pasxalidhs kai oloi mas symmeteixame se ayth th giorth ths ypodoxhs toys, alla kai ths anadeijhs toys se tetoies qeseis poy odhghsan to onoma ths Elladas sta perata ths Oikoymenhs. Ayto einai dedomeno. Oyai kai alimono, ean kapoios qewrei oti oi Ellhnes Olympionikes, poy proseferan ayth th shmantikh yphresia sthn patrida mas, den apolambanoyn ths timhs kai ths anagnwrishs olwn mas, olwn twn Ellhnwn anejairetws. Den prepei na kanoyn tetoies skeceis.

KOYRTAKHS: Syndikalistes sto xwro toy ESY kataggelloyn fainomena diaplokhs. Lene oti h kybernhsh kaqysterhse th leitoyrgia Nosokomeioy Qessalonikhs, mexri na apoperatwqei to diabalkaniko kentro toy k. Apostolopoyloy. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Ayta exoyn syzhthqei kai exoyn apanthqei kat epanalhch. Gnwrizete oti prin apo 17 xronia egkaqidrysame to ESY. Kybernhseis toy PASOK anelaban kata periodoys, nomoqetikes kai alles prwtoboylies gia th beltiwsh toy. To endiaferon mas gia ena diko mas ``paidi'' -as to pw etsi, opws einai to ESY- einai dedomeno kai apodedeigmeno. Tetoioy eidoys kataggelies den nomizw oti exoyn qesh, se enan tomea o opoios afora thn paroxh yphresiwn periqalchs stoys Ellhnes polites. H prowqoymenh apo thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias metarryqmish, pisteyoyme oti qa apotelesei tomh kai qa dwsei lysh sta problhmata poy yparxoyn sth leitoyrgia toy ESY. Kalo, loipon, einai na symbaloyn oloi se ayto. Kai prwta ap ola oi idioi oi ergazomenoi sto ESY kai kyriws oi giatroi, giati aytoi einai oi stylobates toy ESY. Xwris th dikh toys symbolh den mporei na prokycei opoiodhpote qetiko apotelesma. Prosblepoyme, loipon, sth synergasia mazi toys. Ayto einai to pneyma me to opoio kineitai to ypoyrgeio Ygeias.

ANTYPAS: Eipate oti exei jekinhsei o koinwnikos dialogos gia ta ergasiaka, gia thn anergia. Sto dialogo ayto metexoyn oi koinwnikes omades poy exoyn ergasia. Omws, o dialogos afora kai aytoys poy den exoyn ergasia. Mporeite na mas peite giati den kalei o k. Giannitshs ekproswpoys anergwn;

REPPAS: Pragmati, den symmetexoyn ekproswpoi anergwn. Symbainei, jerete, se oles tis koinwnies, oi omades poy den exoyn ergasia, eisodhma h briskontai se asqenesterh qesh, na mhn exoyn th dynatothta na organwnoyn thn prospaqeia toys, na sygkrotoyn tis dynameis toys me tetoio tropo, wste na prowqoyn thn antimetwpish twn qematwn toys me megalyterh apotelesmatikothta. Omws, prepei na anagnwrisw oti kai oi ekproswpoi twn ergazomenwn poy symmetexoyn se ayth th diadikasia, symmetexoyn exontas strammeno to blemma toys stoys sympolites mas poy den exoyn ergasia. Giati o dialogos ston opoio symmetexoyn, ekei katateinei: Na antimetwpisoyme to problhma ths anergias, to opoio exei eyaisqhtopoihsei, peran ths kybernhshs, prwta kai kyria toys idioys toys ergazomenoys, poy antilambanontai oti se mia oikonomia, opws einai h dikh mas, dhladh mia anoikth oikonomia, sto plaisio toy antagwnismoy, o opoios einai adyswphtos qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme tetoioy eidoys problhmata gia na diasfalisoyme thn koinwnikh synoxh. Pragma to opoio, emmesws h amesws, ephreazei th zwh olwn mas kai aytwn poy exoyn ergasia.

ANTYPAS: Yparxoyn dyo organwseis anergwn sthn Ellada. Giati den klhqhkan;

REPPAS: Aytes oi omades, ean pragmatika ekproswpoyn enan megalo ariqmo sympolitwn mas poy den exoyn ergasia, qa prepei na exoyn th dynatothta na diatypwsoyn tis apoceis kai protaseis toys. Kai nomizw oti ayth h dynatothta an den toys exei doqei -den to gnwrizw ayto to qema- prepei na toys doqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes apokalyfqhke kai pali nea diaplokh. O anaplhrwths proedros ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy einai kai dikhgoros twn Minwikwn grammwn. Ti sxolio exete na kanete;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia to qema ayto, me aformh to tragiko nayagio, diejagetai dikastikh ereyna. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Poly perissotero otan meqayrio, qa syzhthqei sth Boylh h protash poy exei kataqesei h N.D. gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw gia to sygkekrimeno sas lew.

REPPAS: Qa doqei h dynatothta na syzhthqoyn ola ayta sto plaisio ayths ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opws htan sthn periptwsh Rokofylloy, twra yparxei allos@

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos, otan bgazete toso eykola symperasmata. Mh biazeste, giati polla legontai ayth thn periodo. Ola ayta qa syzhthqoyn sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to diaceydete;

REPPAS: Egw milw ek meroys ths kybernhshs. H Epitroph Antagwnismoy einai anejarthth arxh. Den mporoyme na syzhthsoyme tetoia qemata, ta opoia -epanalambanw- yparxei dynatothta na syzhthqoyn me anesh kai se baqos, meqayrio kiolas, poy h Boylh qa syzhthsei to sxetiko qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtw ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Ti me diaferei h Boylh; Egw den eimai boyleyths, dhmosiografos eimai. Sth Boylh qa paw na rwthsw;

REPPAS: Qa doqoyn -epeidh ola ayta ta qemata qa teqoyn- oi deoyses apanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw to qigw edw, den qelw na moy apanthsoyn boyleytes.

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apantate. To antiqeto kanete, kalyptete th diaplokh.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch, k. Stamatopoyle, thn opoia mporeite na thn exete, einai dikaiwma sas. Oloi oi polites exoyn to dikaiwma na exoyn th dikh toys apoch. Twra, poioi dinoyn apanthseis kai poioi oxi, as mh to syzhthsoyme edw. Mhn krinete ej idiwn ta allotria!

Sas eyxaristw.

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