Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-10-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Oktwbrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas.

Molis prin apo mia wra, arxise h Diabalkanikh Synanthsh Koryfhs. Einai mia atyph Synanthsh Koryfhs. Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, gia prwth fora, episkeptetai ta Skopia, me thn eykairia ayth. Gegonos epishs einai oti, gia prwth fora ta teleytaia xronia, symmetexei h Gioygkoslabia. Sth synanthsh, opws qa gnwrizete, qa syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn thn poreia ekdhmokratismoy twn xwrwn ths Balkanikhs, thn oikonomikh anaptyjh, th synergasia kai ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo. O Prwqypoyrgos K. Shmiths qa synanthqei me ton k. Gkeorgkefski. Den apokleietai na yparjoyn kai synanthseis toy me alloys prwqypoyrgoys, sto plaisio ths Diabalkanikhs. Qa doqei synenteyjh Typoy, meta to peras twn ergasiwn, kata tis 7 to apogeyma.

Qa hqela akomh na sas anaferw, pros epirrwsh oswn eipe o k. Reppas tis teleytaies hmeres, sto qema ths askhshs @Destined Glory@ toy NATO kai ths aposyrshs ths Elladas apo aythn. Me th gnwmateysh toy nomikoy tmhmatos toy NATO, poy eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas, dikaiwnontai oi ellhnikes qeseis. Epibebaiwnetai, dhladh, oti den isxyoyn pleon oi oroi apostratikopoihshs twn nhsiwn toy Anatolikoy Aigaioy poy problepontai apo th Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs toy @ 23, meta apo th symbash toy Montre toy 1936. Akomh ki an isxyan sto qema ayto oi sxetikoi oroi ths Synqhkhs ths Lwzanhs @leei ayth h nomikh gnwmateysh- akomh kai tote den apagoreyotan na yperiptantai ta ellhnika maxhtika aeroskafh twn nhsiwn Lhmnoy kai Ikarias. Ara, h Ellada orqws yposthrije ta osa yposthrije kai orqws aposyrqhke th stigmh poy eprepe. Dioti etsi, gia mia akomh fora, ginontai gnwstes oi qeseis ths Elladas poy apoteloyn tmhma toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Den einai, dhladh, monomerhs h yposthrijh apo thn Ellada toy qematos aytoy. Exei, epishs, shmasia to gegonos oti ektiqetai h Toyrkia, me tis qeseis poy yposthrizei, me logo kai prajeis.

Qewrw aparaithto na kanw ayth thn anafora kai gia ena logo parapanw: Dioti o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs k. Karamanlhs, me xqesines dhlwseis toy, milhse gia ypoxwrhseis kai ypanaxwrhseis, gia apoysia kaqarhs fwnhs k.t.l. Kalo qa htan, loipon, o k. Karamanlhs, ek ths qesews toy, na einai pio prosektikos otan anaferetai sta eqnika qemata kai toys xeirismoys aytoys. Mporei na mhn diaqetei thn peira twn xeirismwn aytwn, alla ayto den mporei na einai dikaiologia. Einai arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai qa prepei na einai eparkhs gia to rolo ayto.

Qa hqela, me thn eykairia ayth, na proxwrhsw ligo parakatw kai na sas pw oti se ola ta fora toy stratiwtikoy skeloys toy NATO qa yposthrixqoyn -kai yposthrizontai hdh- oi ellhnikes qeseis, apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Epishs, exei stalei epistolh apo ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas sto Geniko Grammatea toy NATO kai toys ypoyrgoys Amynas twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO. Epishs, sth synanthsh twn arxhgwn GEEQA, poy qa ginei apo tis 7 ews tis 9 Noembrioy stis Bryjelles, qa ekteqei apo ton arxhgo GEEQA to olo qema, o plhrhs fakelos ths askhshs, ths proistorias kai twn ellhnikwn qesewn kai ths aposyrshs mas apo thn askhsh.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Giati ayth h gnwmateysh toy NATO, thn opoia diabasa ki egw shmera sthn efhmerida ta ``NEA'', poy einai ontws qetikh gia thn Ellada, bghke twra 25/10, enw opws anaferetai eixe doqei sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh stis 8/10. Kai synebhsan tosa polla apo tote, toses dhlwseis-antidhlwseis. Giati den th ``bgazate ston aera'' ayth th gnwmateysh, na hsyxasoyme;

XYTHRHS: Den jerw pws dhmosieyetai sta ``NEA''. H gnwmateysh ayth einai ena eswteriko eggrafo toy NATO.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, den eixe doqei sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, nwritera;

XYTHRHS: Einai ena eswteriko eggrafo. Pws efqase sth dhmosiothta, einai qema to opoio den mporw na krinw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me ayto, yponoeite oti den doqhke sthn kybernhsh;

XYTHRHS: Einai ena eggrafo eswteriko. Ayto qelw na sas pw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Den to eixe labei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

XYTHRHS: Den doqhke sth dhmosiothta apo kanenan. Einai eswteriko eggrafo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To eixe parei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ayto to eggrafo;

XYTHRHS: Den katalabate thn apanthsh moy; Einai ena eswteriko eggrafo. An kapoios synadelfos sas eixe thn ikanothta na to brei kai apo poy to brhke, apo tis Bryjelles h apo poia allh xwra, ayto einai allo qema. Prokeitai gia eswteriko eggrafo toy NATO.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa exei synanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos kai me ton k. Etzebit, sto plaisio ths Diabalkanikhs;

XYTHRHS: Ayto den einai programmatismeno, alla den mporoyme na apokleisoyme na ginei kai ayth h synanthsh, sto plaisio ayto. Jerete pws ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis. Den mporoyme na to apokleisoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto to eggrafo toy NATO poy lete, qa perimenoyme kaqe fora apo to NATO na epibebaiwsei ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata;

XYTHRHS: H askhsh htan askhsh toy NATO.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata, lew@

XYTHRHS: Ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas ta yperaspizoyme. Kai ta yperaspizoyme kai entos ths Symmaxias, opws eidate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixame steilei, epishs, epistolh kai zhtoysame diakoph ths askhshs. Se ayto mas apanthsan;

XYTHRHS: Den nomizw, giati apoxwrhsame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla zhtoysame kai diakoph. Mas apanthsan se ayto;

XYTHRHS: Den diakophke kai gi` ayto apoxwrhsame.

PAPPA: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy feretai na einai se diastash apocewn me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas, oson afora thn apoxwrhsh mas apo thn askhsh. Exei bash ayto;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, kamia bash. Yparxei apolyth synergasia. O k. Papandreoy brisketai twra sth Nea Yorkh. Kai prokeitai apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ston politiko kai diplwmatiko tomea, na ginoyn analoges energeies pros thn E.E., antistoixa, pros aytes poy eginan -opws sas eipa- apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti paei na kanei sthn Amerikh o k. Papandreoy; Yparxei kapoio eqniko qema;

XYTHRHS: Einai meres sthn Amerikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn proeklogikh ekstrateia toy Gkor@

XYTHRHS: Giati den arkeiste sthn erwthsh, alla dinete kai apanthseis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Peste moy ``giati'';

XYTHRHS: Kat` arxas, erxetai se epafh me toys omogeneis mas sthn Amerikh. Kanei oloklhrh periodeia ekei o k. Papandreoy kai erxetai se epafh me tis organwseis twn omogenwn mas.

MIXAHL: As paroyme ws bash to oti gia na synanthqoyn dyo anqrwpoi prepei na to qeloyn kai oi dyo. Qewrw oti kai eseis to ensternizeste ayto, opws kaqe nohmwn anqrwpos. Den apokleiete synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Etzebit. Na symperanw, loipon, me bash kai to dedomeno poy sas eipa, oti qelei o k. Shmiths na synanthqei me ton k. Etzebit;

XYTHRHS: An hqele, qa to epediwke, qa to programmatize. Sas eipa oti den einai programmatismeno. Sto plaisio, omws, ths Diabalkanikhs Synanthshs, mporei na ginei. Den to apokleiw.

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn dyo diadikasies@

XYTHRHS: Den qa to zhthsei o k. Shmiths.

MIXAHL: Den qa to zhthsei o k. Shmiths. Efoson to zhthsei o k. Etzebit, den to apokleiei.

XYTHRHS: Bebaiws, den to apokleiei. Qa krinei.

MIXAHL: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti to NATO, para to oti leei ``nai, exete dikio eseis, Ellada, gia ayta poy isxyrizeste'', den mporei na epibalei thn idia th gnwmateysh toy kai sthn Toyrkia;

XYTHRHS: Emena polla me problhmatizoyn. To qema, omws, den einai ayto. To qema einai@

MIXAHL: Ti qa kanete rwtw, ws kybernhsh..

XYTHRHS: To ti qa kanoyme sas to ejeqesa prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emena, k. Ypoyrge, den moy apanthsate akoma. Twra qymhqhke o k. Papandreoy toys omogeneis kai phge ekei;

XYTHRHS: To programma toy o k. Papandreoy to kaqorizei o idios.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Jafnika twra, proeklogika, qymhqhke toys omogeneis kai phge;

XYTHRHS: Sas apanthsa.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazete shmerino dhmosieyma, poy ferei thn kybernhsh na exei enan entono problhmatismo sxetika me thn idiwtikopoihsh ths EAB kai pio sygkekrimena, apo to gegonos oti o k. Kokkalhs emfanizetai, se oloys toys diagwnismoys idiwtikopoihsewn, na exei isxyro aithma;

XYTHRHS: Giati prepei na to sxoliasw; To reportaz, poy moy lete, anaferetai sto mellon. Den milaei gia kati poy egine. Leei oti kati ``qa ginei''.

MIXAHL: Leei to reportaz oti sthn kybernhsh yparxei enas entonos problhmatismos, dedomenoy oti opoiadhpote prospaqeia idiwtikopoihshs ginetai, se opoiondhpote tomea -amyntikhs biomhxanias kai thlepikoinwniwn, me thn eyrythta toys- o k. Kokkalhs exei isxyro rolo. Kai ayto thn kybernhsh thn apasxolei. Rwtw: nai h oxi;

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh sta qemata ayta akoloyqei pista toys nomoys kai th diafaneia. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

MIXAHL: An me bash ton typo kai to gramma toy nomoy enas oikonomikos paragontas kai epi toy prokeimenoy o k. Kokkalhs, symmetexei stis idiwtikopoihseis, to apotelesma sas problhmatizei;

XYTHRHS: Mh synexizete. Yparxei kai h Epitroph Antagwnismoy thn opoia jexnate.

MIXAHL: Nai, alla, an moy epitrepete, edw yparxei kati allo: O k. Tzoyganatos, poy proistatai ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy eixe ekfrasei eggrafws -opws apokalyfqhke proxqes- tis antirrhseis toy gia tis persines sygxwneyseis twn Minwikwn Grammwn sto xwro ths aktoploias. Kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi poy exoyn kai thn politikh eyqynh, en telei, gia tetoies yphresies, den thn elaban ypoch toys. O idios bghke kai eipe ``eggrafws exw steilei anafora oti den mporoyse na ginei monopwlio ekei''.

XYTHRHS: Se kaqe periptwsh -gia na epistrecw sta prohgoymena poy eipate- milate gia kati to opoio prokeitai na ginei. Epomenws, einai peritto na syzhtame gi` ayto, prin kan ginei.

Qa moy epitrecete me thn anaxwrhsh toy Patriarxh, thn epistrofh toy sto Fanari, na pw oti ayth h idiwtikh episkech toy -h opoia eixe, omws, oysiastiko xarakthra gia mas- kai h paroysia toy edw, htan eyergetikh. Th xarakthrize h semnothta, alla kai h sofia kai to metro twn logwn toy. Shmera, poy epistrefei sto Fanari, exei tis eyxaristies kai tis eyxes mas gia to shmantiko ergo kai rolo toy sthn koryfh ths Orqodojias.

MIXAHL: O logos toy Makariotatoy Arxiepiskopoy Aqhnwn, exei semnothta, einai sofos, exei metro; Ton eyxaristeite;

XYTHRHS: Na arkesteite se ayta poy sas lew kai oxi ayta poy qelete eseis@

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygnwmh. To ti qelw na rwthsw egw, qa rwthsw. Eseis o,ti qelete qa moy apanthsate. O Arxiepiskopos Xristodoylos, milaei me semnothta, sofia kai metro;

XYTHRHS: Meinete se ayto poy sas lew. Egw, me aformh thn anaxwrhsh toy Patriarxh, meta to tajidi toy sthn Ellada, qewrhsa kalo na kanw ayth th dhlwsh.

MIXAHL: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos breqhke dyo fores omotrapezos me ton k. Xristodoylo kai to meshmeri kai to brady. H kybernhsh ektima oti aytes oi dyo synanthseis apoteloyn thn prwth kinhsh gia na apokatastaqei enas diaylos epikoinwnias metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, poy fanhke na exei ekleicei, me aformh to qema twn taytothtwn;

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh pote den eixe antiparaqesh me thn Ekklhsia, oyte sygkroysh. Oyte to epidiwje, oyte eixe pote. To qema einai panta diakrishs rolwn, metajy Politeias kai Ekklhsias. Kai xairomaste idiaiterws poy se ayto, stoys diakritoys aytoys roloys, anaferqhke kai o Makariotatos Arxiepiskopos, xqes. Akribws prajh diakritwn rolwn, einai kai to qema twn taytothtwn. Gia tis astynomikes taytothtes h apofash anhkei sthn Politeia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: An moy epitrepete, epeidh diabazw shmera epi toy qematos: Prosanatolizetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, symfwnei me thn apoch na topoqetoyntai panw stis taytothtes, efoson o poliths to epiqymei, dyo grammata, X. O., Xristianos Orqodojos; Mporei na mpainei ayto;

XYTHRHS: Den to gnwrizw kaqoloy. Oi nees taytothtes kykloforoyn, yparxoyn. Den katalabainw ti shmainei kati tetoio. Yparxoyn, hdh, oi nees taytothtes. Opoios qelei, opoios paei na parei taytothta, qa parei mia kainoyrgia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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