Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-10-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Oktwbrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio gia thn katastash poy diamorfwnetai sth Mesh Anatolh. H krish ayth exei labei anhsyxhtikh diastash. Exei alysidwtes epiptwseis se oloys toys tomeis. Kai ston oikonomiko. Pisteyoyme oti oi dyo pleyres qa prepei na kanoyn tolmhra bhmata. Na apofygoyn th xrhsh bias. Na proselqoyn, kai pali, sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn. Mono mesa apo to dialogo kai th synennohsh, mporei na prokycei mia telikh mia biwsimh lysh. To Mesanatoliko einai ena meizon zhthma, poy mas afora kaqws ephreazei thn katastash sthn eyryterh perioxh. Shmera me to zhthma ayto asxoleitai h E.E. Qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs, kata th diarkeia toy geymatos twn hgetwn ths. Qewroyme oti einai krisimh, alla kai katallhlh h stigmh na deijoyn oi epikefalhs twn dyo xwrwn oti exoyn synaisqhsh ths megalhs eyqynhs toys kai etsi qa analaboyn tis analoges prwtoboylies.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOYRDARAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Rogk, se dhlwseis toy shmera ston radiofwniko staqmo PLANNET, anaferei metajy allwn oti h DOE den eixe pote thn proqesh na afairesei th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn apo thn Aqhna h oti oi, kata kairoys, dhlwseis toy parermhneyqhkan apo to ASSOCIATED PRESS. Epishs, otan rwthqhke gia thn ka Aggelopoyloy, ejefrase men thn apolyth empistosynh toy idioy kai twn melwn ths DOE sto proswpo ths, alla parallhla anaferei oti ``oydeis anantikatastatos''. Ayth htan h frash poy xrhsimopoihse. Pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Den sxoliazoyme tis dhlwseis toy k. Rogk. Exoyme pei, kat epanalhch, oti o kaqenas kanei dhlwseis poy ekfrazoyn tis dikes toy skeceis kai apoceis. Exoyme pei, epishs, einai oti den tiqetai qema allaghs ths edras twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. H xwra mas proetoimazetai kai qa organwsei poly kaloys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Gi ayto den prepei na epanerxomaste se ena tetoio qema. Kata ta alla, to sxhma poy exoyme epilejei, sthn poreia pros toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004, sas einai gnwsto. Paramenoyme se ayto. Den allazei tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na kanete ena sxolio, gyrw apo th stash twn Toyrkwn, sthn askhsh poy ginetai ekei, enanti ths Elladas.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h askhsh ayth einai analogh me ayth poy egine prin ligoys mhnes sthn Ellada. Symmetexoyn dynameis ths xwras sthn askhsh DESTINED GLORY. Pragmati, h askhsh, se ena tmhma ths, diejagetai xwris na akoloyqeitai o arxikos sxediasmos. Epeidh o epikefalhs twn dynamewn, ``o sxediasths'' -opws onomazetai- ths askhshs, Amerikanos ajiwmatoyxos, exei metabei stis HPA, thn eyqynh exei o deyteros sthn ierarxia, o legomenos kai ``ektelesths'' ths askhshs, poy einai Toyrkos pterarxos. O ektelesths ths askhshs, se ena tmhma ths, efarmozei sxedia, ta opoia den antapokrinontai ston arxiko sxediasmo poy eixe symfwnhqei. Ayto odhghse tis aeroporikes dynameis ths xwras mas na mhn symmetexoyn sthn askhsh. Anamenoyme shmera, meta tis diaboyleyseis poy exoyn ginei, thn ekdosh diataghs gia to pws qa ginoyn ayrio oi epixeirhseis, sto plaisio ths askhshs kai qa prajoyme analogws. An epanelqoyme ston arxiko sxediasmo @pragma to opoio prepei na fainetai sth diatagh poy qa ekdwsei shmera to apogeyma o epikefalhs ths askhshs- tote qa symmetasxoyme kai pali sthn askhsh ayth. An oxi qa aposyroyme tis dynameis mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai tis epigeies kai tis enaeries;

REPPAS: Nai. Eipa ``qa aposyroyme tis dynameis mas''. Milw synolika gia tis dynameis mas.

KOGKAS: Dhladh, oi enstaseis ths kybernhshs aforoyn mono ton arxiko sxediasmo kai oxi to gegonos oti h Toyrkia epanaferei me ayto ton tropo sto trapezi gnwstes diekdikhseis ths; Kai, en pash periptwsei, synadei ayth h energeia me to klima poy@

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola, den prepei na milame gia diekdikhseis. Gnwrizete oti gi ayto to qema, exei ekdoqei apo to GEEQA, apo xqes, anakoinwsh, h opoia einai apolytws diafwtistikh. Kata ta alla, oydeis isxyrizetai oti aytomatws, -epeidh, asfalws, allaje pros to kalytero to klima stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn- lyqhkan ola ta problhmata. Xreiazetai terastia prospaqeia, kyriws apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, poy den exei epideijei sthn prajh mia analogh symperifora. Prepei na antapokriqei emprakta sto pneyma ayto, ths kalhs geitonias to opoio kai h idia diakhryssei. Gi ayto akribws dhmioyrgoyntai tetoioy eidoys problhmata. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti sto plaisio mias NATOikhs askhshs, opws einai ayth poy diejagetai twra, oles oi dynameis, meta tis diaboyleyseis poy exoyn ginei, qa dexqoyn oti h oloklhrwsh ths askhshs den mporei para na ginei symfwna me ton arxiko sxediasmo ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete to klima ``kalhs geitonias poy h Toyrkia den to efarmozei''.. Tote, se ti ofeilontai oi agkalies toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Tzem;

REPPAS: Asfalws, to klima einai kalytero stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Problhmata, asfalws, yparxoyn. H Toyrkia, asfalws, exei ypoxrewsh na enarmonistei me to klima ayto, to opoio kalliergoyme apo thn pleyra mas. Qa prepei ayto na apodeiknyetai sthn prajh kai apo thn allh pleyra, pragma to opoio, mexri twra, den ginetai sto baqmo poy prepei, apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, me dikh ths kai mono eyqynh. H prospaqeia, omws, apo th dikh mas pleyra -epanalambanw- apotelei ena eidos strathgikhs epiloghs, giati pisteyoyme oti ta opoia qemata sthn perioxh prepei na antimetwpistoyn katw apo ayto to prisma: Ths proseggishs ths Toyrkias sthn E.E. kai ths ypoxrewshs ths na enarmonistei me to Dieqnes Dikaio kai na symbadisei me toys kanones toys opoioys akoloyqoyn oles oi sygxrones politismenes dhmokratikes xwres sthn Eyrwph. Ayth einai h megalh proklhsh gia thn Toyrkia. Emeis qa symbaloyme kai qa bohqhsoyme na kinhqei se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai, omws, diko ths qema na antapokriqei se ayth thn proklhsh. Einai mia proklhsh istorikoy diametrhmatos gia thn Toyrkia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai se baros mas, k. Ypoyrge@

REPPAS: Tipota den einai se baros mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se baros mas einai. Otan kanoyme olo ypoxwrhseis kai otan parakalame den einai se baros mas;

REPPAS: Tipota den einai se baros mas. H Ellada exei mia qesh, sto dieqnes periballon, pio isxyrh para pote. H qesh kai h fwnh ths Elladas ginontai sebastes perissotero para pote sto parelqon. Ayto einai gnwsto. H Ellada exei dianysei mia terastia apostash mesa se liga xronia, prokeimenoy na ginei xwra me dieqnh ajiopistia, mia xwra poy prwtagwnistei stis ejelijeis sthn perioxh, poy ths anatiqentai roloi, poy analambanei prwtoboylies kai symballei sthn empedwsh ths politikhs staqerothtas kai ths eirhnhs sthn perioxh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h xwra twn ypoxwrhsewn. Etsi einai k. Ypoyrge!

REPPAS: Ayta ta grafete. Qa prepei na dexqoyme tis apoceis sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporw na tis pw;

REPPAS: Na tis peite, bebaiws. Afoy, omws, me tis erwthseis sas zhtate tis apoceis mas otan grafete tis dikes sas, na grafete kai tis dikes mas. Giati, telikws, grafete mono o,ti periexetai ws pneyma stis erwthseis sas kai tipota apo tis dikes mas qeseis. Kai aporw, syxna, giati mas kaleite na ekfrasoyme th qesh mas, afoy den thn lambanete ypoch sas;

KARELIAS: Plhn ths apeilhs -entos h ektos eisagwgikwn- toy k. Papoytsh oti prokeitai na epanejetasei tis adeies skopimothtas ths aktoploias, mporeite na mas peite pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei to LOCK-OUT twn efoplistwn stis 27 Oktwbrioy, einai kai paramonh ths 28hs Oktwbrioy@

REPPAS: Exei kanei dhlwsh o k. Papoytshs. Einai pragmatika adikaiologhth kai anaitia ayth h apofash poy, kat arxhn, exei labei o Syndesmos twn Efoplistwn ths ellhnikhs aktoploias. Pisteyoyme oti qa epikrathsoyn wrimoteres skeceis. Mia tetoia energeia einai adianohth. Molis, prosfata, apofasisame sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ena plaisio kai metra politikhs gia thn aktoploia. Pisteyoyme oti den qa proxwrhsoyn se efarmogh ayths ths apofashs toys. H kybernhsh, apo th dikh ths pleyra, den menei me stayrwmena ta xeria. O armodios Ypoyrgos analambanei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na mh diataraxqei h sygkoinwnia, h diakinhsh twn politwn, h metafora agaqwn. Na mhn yparjei blabh sthn oikonomia twn nhsiwtikwn perioxwn poy ejyphretoyntai apo ayta ta ploia. Pisteyw, omws, oti oi epomenes hmeres eparkoyn, oti o xronos einai arketos, wste na epanejetasoyn th stash toys kai oi idioi oi efoplistes ths aktoploias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Enas akomh boyleyths toy PASOK exei analabei mia ypoqesh efoplisth, o opoios exei boyliajei to karabi toy kai exoyn pnigei 24 atoma. Aytos prokeitai na diagrafei, na ekdiwxqei apo to PASOK;

REPPAS: Epeidh den anaferete plhrws ta stoixeia ta opoia gnwrizete, gia na@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gkoyskos legetai o kyrios.

REPPAS: O k. Gkoyskos einai dikhgoros. Eixe analabei to 1995 mia sxetikh ypoqesh. Nomizw oti oydeis mporei na ton kathgorhsei gi ayto. O k. Gkoyskos stis prosfates ekloges ejelegh boyleyths. Gnwrizete oti den symmetexei pia sth diadikasia yperaspishs ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias, afoy exei pleon ayth thn idiothta. Moy dinete, omws, aformh me thn erwthsh sas na pw oti qa prepei -kata th dikh sas apoch- na ereynhsoyme poies epaggelmatikes drasthriothtes eixan h exoyn anaptyjei oi nomikoi boyleytes, oi oikonomologoi kai alloi epaggelmaties h ta alla stelexh, ta opoia exoyn diadramatisei shmantiko rolo ws boyleytes h ypoyrgoi kai tote@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati sas endiaferei toso poly;

REPPAS: Qelw na pw oti, gia ola ayta ta qemata, an qelete na kanoyme mia ereyna se baqos, na thn kanoyme. Gia na lamcei h alhqeia, ean sas endiaferei h alhqeia. Ean den sas endiaferei h alhqeia, mh diatypwnete erwthseis aytoy toy eidoys. Giati otan diatypwnete erwthseis me ayto ton tropo, ginetai fanero oti den sas endiaferei h alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti exete na peite, dhladh; Eipate oti o k. Gkoyskos stamathse; Den exei stamathsei, to dhlwse o idios xqes ejw apo th Boylh: ``Den egkataleipw, oyte prokeitai''. Eipe oti qa synexisei. Anhkei sto kybernhtiko xwro, apo ekei mporei na ephreasei, oxi apo th qesh ths antipoliteyshs.

REPPAS: ``Mporei na ephreasei toys dikastes'', ayto lete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti mporei na ephreasei.

REPPAS: Ayth, loipon, einai h apoch sas gia th dikaiosynh. Diafwnoyme.

KOYRTAKHS: Xqes stalqhke sth Boylh apo ton k. Ntogiako mhnythria anafora apo ton k. Tsolakakh, kata toy yfypoyrgoy Aqlhtismoy k. Flwridh kai afora thn prokhryjh ths anaqeshs toy ergoy toy Ippodromoy, en ocei ths Olympiadas toy 2004. O k. Tsolakakhs anaferei oti eixe enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgos. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos toy eixe pei oti qa enhmerwqei apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys gia to qema.

REPPAS: Qa sas pw peri tinos prokeitai giati edw pera pia, exoyme fqasei sto orio anoxhs ths eyprepeias me thn opoia qa prepei na antimetwpizontai tetoia qemata. Prokeitai peri aplhs diabibashs mias mhnyshs poy kateqese enas idiwths epixeirhmatias enantion enos ypoyrgoy. Ayth einai h eisaggelikh energeia. Einai aplh diabibash mhnyshs. Ti afora: Afora to ergo ths kataskeyhs Ippodromoy kai Ippikoy Kentroy sto Markopoylo Attikhs, Ippodromoy sto Lagkada Qessalonikhs kai tessarwn elafrwn kataskeywn, dhladh kleistwn gymnasthriwn, poy qa egkatastaqoyn gia tis anagkes twn agwnwn sto xwro poy shmera einai o Ippodromos kai meta qa metaferqoyn. Prepei na sas pw oti o ODIE, apo to kalokairi toy 1999, proselabe symboylo, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei sth diatypwsh ths prokhryjhs, na kanei dhladh olh thn proetoimasia gia to diagwnismo. Egine h prokhryjh, epeleghsan, kat arxhn, pente etaireies apo to synolo twn etaireiwn, poy eixan proselqei kai eixan labei meros sthn prwth fash ayths ths diadikasias. Apokleisqhke h etaireia me to onoma "Xristina", poy einai sto onoma ths gynaikas toy k. Tsolakakh kai exei edra th Monrobia ths Liberias.H epilogh egine apo Epitroph sthn opoia symmeteixan empeirognwmones, panepisthmiakoi kai ekproswpoi forewn, opws einai to TEE. Oi pente omiloi poy exoyn epilegei einai gnwstoi kai apoteloyn synergasies ellhnikwn me jenes etaireies. Epishs, apokleisthkan shmantikoi omiloi, giati to endiaferon htan megalo kai eixan proselqei na laboyn meros shmantikes etaireies. H etaireia toy k. Tsolakakh apokleisthke, kai o idios prosefyge sta dikasthria, me agwges, me aithseis asfalistikwn metrwn. Oles oi aitiaseis toy aporrifqhkan apo ta dikasthria ths Ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs. Kai oysiastika zhthse apo ton k. Flwridh, o opoios den eixe kamia symmetoxh se ayth th diadikasia -giati einai yfypoyrgos Aqlhtismoy, meta tis prosfates ekloges- na akyrwsei th mexri twra ejelijh toy diagwnismoy, prokeimenoy na symperilhfqei s ayton o k. Tsolakakhs. Kataqese, loipon, mia mhnysh, thn opoia o Eisaggeleas qewrhse skopimo na th metabibasei sth Boylh. Ayth einai olh h istoria. Parakalw, gi ayta ta qemata, na kanete mia ereyna prokeimenoy na ferete sto fws ola ta stoixeia gia to pws exoyn ayta ta pragmata kai ta opoia qa diafwtisoyn thn koinh gnwmh. Giati ayto sas endiaferei, apolytws, eimai sigoyros.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas qesw ena erwthma to opoio exei aqlhtikh, alla kai politikh -pisteyw- xroia. Exei ermhneia h kybernhsh gia to poia htan ta kinhtra ths EPAE kai ths EPO gia thn anabolh toy ellhnikoy Prwtaqlhmatos;

REPPAS: H Boylh phre mia apofash. Einai adianohto na qewroyn kapoioi oti mporoyn na kinoyntai ektos toy plaisioy, poy exei qespisei h Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Qa prepei oi energeies toys na enarmonistoyn me to nomiko plaisio. Kata to Arqro 16 par. 9 toy Syntagmatos, o Aqlhtismos brisketai ypo thn prostasia kai thn anwtath epopteia toy kratoys. Den einai mia aplh idiwtikh, epaggelmatikh, epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Einai mia drasthriothta poy afora to synolo toy plhqysmoy kai idiaitera th nea genia. Qewroyme oti, h energeia ayth einai apolytws astoxh. Pisteyoyme oti qa epikrathsoyn wrimoteres skeceis, giati h organwsh twn Prwtaqlhmatwn twn aqlhtikwn agwnwn, asfalws ginetai me ton tropo poy problepetai ston aqlhtiko nomo kai symfwna me toys Kanonismoys twn Dieqnwn kai Ellhnikwn Aqlhtikwn Arxwn, alla den anhkei s' aytoys kai mono. Afora olo ton plhqysmo. Kai ayto den mporei n' agnoeitai.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema toy LOCK-OUT. Eipate oti o armodios ypoyrgos prokeitai na analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, wste na mhn yparjei problhma sta nhsia. Exete kati na mas peite gi aytes tis prwtoboylies;

REPPAS: O armodios ypoyrgos, brisketai se anoixth epikoinwnia me oloys toys foreis, poy mporoyn na symbaloyn, wste h krish ayth poy paei na dhmioyrghqei, na antimetwpisqei sth genesh ths. Nomizw oti qa epikrathsoyn wrimoteres skeceis. Exoyme meres mprosta mas, akomh. Pisteyw oti qa apofeyxqei ayth h krish.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes bgalate mia anakoinwsh sthn opoia katalhgete: ``Anejarthta apo ta parapanw, ta dialambanomena sth mhnysh einai safes oti anaferontai se periodo prin apo thn analhch twn kaqhkontwn toy Yfypoyrgoy Aqlhtismoy apo ton k. Flwridh''. Dhladh, o prohgoymenos an eixe kanei mia kompina @

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. To apospasma ayto exei safh politikh ejhghsh. To epishmainw, epeidh, strefetai enantion toy k. Flwridh kai apodeiknyei etsi oti den endiaferetai na ginei kapoia ereyna kai n' apodoqoyn eyqynes, s' aytoys poy, kata th gnwmh toy mporei na exoyn eyqynes. Endiaferetai na spilwsei ton k. Flwridh. Ayto epixeirei. Kai ayto, prokeimenoy na ekbiasei etsi mia ejelijh, yper twn dikwn toy symferontwn, akoma kai paranoma. Gi ayto strefetai kata toy k. Flwridh. Ara den ton endiaferei na antimetwpisqei kapoia paratyph h paranomh prajh poy endexomenws @panta kata thn apoch toy- egine sto parelqon. Ton endiaferei -ki ayto epixeirei na kanei- na ekqesei h na spilwsei ton k. Flwridh. Dioti de stamata th diagwnistikh diadikasia, pragma poy den mporei na kanei opoiosdhpote.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, den einai ypeyqyno gia to diagwnismo;

REPPAS: Ypeyqynos einai o ODIE. Prepei na sas pw, oti an deite ola ta stoixeia kanontas mia sxetikh ereyna, qa bgalete to symperasma oti ola exoyn ginei me apolyta antikeimenikes kai diafaneis diadikasies.

MIXAHL: Qelete na ermhneysete giati o k. Ntogiakos to diabibase sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h aplh ayth diabibash, einai kati to opoio apotelei ypoxrewsh enos dikastikoy leitoyrgoy. H Boylh einai ayth h opoia qa apofasisei. Bebaiws, exoyn diatypwqei ki alles nomikes apoceis se o,ti afora th diadikasia ayth. An einai dynaton, dhladh, na askoyn to rolo ayto oi dikastikes Arxes h qa prepei oi idiwtes oi opoioi kataqetoyn agwges h mhnyseis enantion Ypoyrgwn, na apeyqynontai apeyqeias sth Boylh. Einai kai ayto ena qema, exoyn diatypwqei episthmonikes apoceis, alla den einai toy parontos.

MIXAHL: O k. Ntogiakos prin apo 15 hmeres esteile ena eggrafo sth Boylh. S' ayto to eggrafo ekrine tesseris ypoqeseis. Eipe oti apo thn ereyna poy ekane o idios, gia dyo prepei na epilhfqei h Boylh. Rwtw giati o k. Ntogiakos den ekane twra ereyna, wste na apokalycei ola ayta poy lete eseis, oti dhladh o k. Tsolakakhs kakws kanei th mhnysh ayth kai na mh to steilei sth Boylh. Mhpws loipon, exei allh skopimothta; Ayto einai to erwthma moy.

REPPAS: Sthn periptwsh ayth o k. Ntogiakos ekane o,ti ekanan oi synadelfoi toy otan ekeinh thn hmera -prwth mera enarjhs twn ergasiwn ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs- anakoinwqhke h diabibash apo meroys toys mhnysewn kata Ypoyrgwn, apo idiwtes, poy aforoysan ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, ton k. Tsobola kai kapoia alla politika proswpa. To qymaste ayto. Einai diabibash mhnyshs poy exei kataqesei enas idiwths enantion meloys ths Kybernhshs. To porisma toy k. Ntogiakoy sto opoio anaferesqe einai kati diaforetiko. Apotelei thn katalhjh ths ereynas poy ekane meta apo entolh toy Proistamenoy ths Eisaggelias Prwtodikwn. Einai diaforetikh diadikasia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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