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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Septembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Epeidh ginetai syzhthsh, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn kai Amynas ths Boylhs qa synedriasei me thn enarjh twn ergasiwn ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, me ton opoio epikoinwnhsa, exei synennohqei me ton Proedro ths Epitrophs, ton k. Papoylia, edw kai polles hmeres. O k. Papoylias qewrhse oti qa einai kalytero h Epitroph na synedriasei, otan h Olomeleia ths Boylhs qa arxisei kai pali th leitoyrgia ths. Ara, den tiqetai qema arnhshs h kaqysterhshs h parempodishs ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs apo thn pleyra mas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poios to leei ayto;

REPPAS: Egw sas to lew, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei milhsei me ton Proedro ths Epitrophs kai exoyn apofasisei -ayth htan h qesh toy Proedroy ths Epitrophs- h synedriash na ginei me thn enarjh twn ergasiwn ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs. Epeidh, diatypwnetai kapoio aithma me ypografes apo boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs, poy to exoyn kataqesei, qewrwntas oti prepei na synedriasei h Epitroph, sas lew oti parabiazoyn ``anoikth porta'', giati to qema exei teqei, edw kai polles hmeres apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. H Epitroph qa synedriasei me thn enarjh twn ergasiwn ths Olomeleias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyme hmeromhnia, dhladh;

REPPAS: Molis anoijei h Boylh, o Proedros ths Epitrophs qa orisei thn hmeromhnia. Einai qema toy k. Papoylia. O k. Papoylias, ws Proedros ths Epitrophs, se synennohsh me ta stelexh poy symmetexoyn se ayth thn Epitroph, qa apofasisoyn thn hmeromhnia, se synennohsh me ton ypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Epitroph ayth den mporei na synedriasei an den einai h Olomeleia;

REPPAS: Sas eipa poia htan h protash poy diatypwqhke. H Epitroph, ayth thn wra, den yfistatai. Oi Diarkeis Epitropes poy leitoyrgoyn sthn Olomeleia, den leitoyrgoyn to kalokairi, poy leitoyrgoyn ta Tmhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den leitoyrgoyn to kalokairi oi Epitropes;

REPPAS: Oi Diarkeis Epitropes den leitoyrgoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ean xreiastei;

REPPAS: Sygkrotoyntai se kaqe Synodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei zhthsei kai o k. Arsenhs@

REPPAS: Sas eipa, loipon, oti parabiazoyn oloi anoiktes portes. O k. Papoylias einai enhmeros, qa sygkalesei synedriash ths Epitrophs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, oti to zhthse o k. Papandreoy. Prwth fora to akoyme.

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei oti den exei ginei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exei grafei, den to exei dhlwsei@

REPPAS: Ti na dhlwsei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra to leei.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Epeidh eida, loipon, na prokaleitai ayth h entypwsh, gi ayto ekrina skopimo ki egw na sas kanw ayth thn anakoinwsh.

Epishs, pragmati, apo 8 ews 25 Oktwbrioy 2000 qa ginei h Askhsh, me thn onomasia DESTINY GLORY sthn Toyrkia. Einai to antistoixo ths DYNAMIC MIX poy egine sthn Ellada, toys prohgoymenoys mhnes. Ekei qa laboyn meros dynameis twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths xwras mas. Sygkekrimena, 12 maxhtika aeroskafh F-16 kai enas mhxanokinhtos loxos, o opoios kai qa epixeirhsei apobash kai alles drasthriothtes ston Kolpo Jhroy. H askhsh ayth, bebaia, einai ypo th dioikhsh twn ajiwmatoyxwn toy NATO.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate gia to Symboylio Ejwterikwn kai Amynas oti qa synedriasei. Gia to Symboylio Arxhgwn poy zhtoyn, qa synedriasei; O Prwqypoyrgos to dexetai;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy ekane dhlwseis, xqes, tis opoies eqesa ypoch sas. Sas eipa na tis prosejete. Metajy twn allwn, apanthse se sxetiko erwthma. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, ayto, dhladh, poy eipe kai o k. Papandreoy, ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Einai sth diaqesh twn politikwn arxhgwn na syzhthsei opoiodhpote qema, ana pasa stigmh. Gnwrizete oti exei ginei, kat epanalhch, mia tetoias morfhs synergasia kai nomizoyme oti einai o kalyteros tropos, to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, se epikoinwnia me toys politikoys arxhgoys na syzhtoyn kai na antimetwpizoyn synafh qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa parei qesh gi ayto to qema; Giati mas lete o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn@

REPPAS: Phre qesh dia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths kybernhshs me to sygkekrimeno Prwqypoyrgo. Den anhkei se allh kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK na pei to onoma poy eipe o k. Pagkalos sto E.G. h na anagkasei ton k. Pagkalo na to pei; Giati qa dhmioyrgoyntai synexeia, kaqhmerina, problhmata kai kathgoroyntai diaforoi, xwris na ftaine.

REPPAS: Jerw oti agwniate@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den agwniw kaqoloy.

REPPAS: Parakalw, k. Stamatopoyle, afhste me na milhsw ligo ki egw, epiteloys, ektos ki an qelete na allajoyme qeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi. Lete gia mena oti agwniw k.lp.

REPPAS: Epeidh lete oti akoygontai polla onomata kaqhmerina, gi ayto antilambanomai oti sas dhmioyrgeitai mia dysforia kai ayto, pragmati, den einai swsto. Kati poy den einai swsto se oloys prokalei dysforia. Kai se mena prokalei dysforia kai se sas opws antilambanomai. Ta toy Kinhmatos, sto Kinhma parakalw. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h onomatologia proklhqhke apo syzhthseis poy den exoyn sxesh me anafores mesa sth synedriash toy E.G. Ara, den einai dynato na miloyme gia to qema ayto, me ayto ton tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aforoyn ypoyrgoys, afora thn kybernhsh, afora ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den menei kanenas ap ejw.

REPPAS: To PASOK exei organa, exei diadikasies, basei twn opoiwn antimetwpizei ta qemata kai diaxeirizetai tis eswterikes ypoqeseis toy. Ta stelexh, bebaiws, exoyn thn eyqynh na kanoyn to kalytero dynato, na proaspizontai thn eikona toy Kinhmatos. To Kinhma, loipon, exei epi toy qematos aytoy to logo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh diaxeirizetai ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kybernhtikoi paragontes kathgoroyntai oti syntrwgoyn kai kanoyn kroyazieres me epixeirhmaties.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh diaxeirizetai tis oikonomikes ypoqeseis, kai oxi mono, toy kratoys me ton kalytero tropo. To anagnwrizei o ellhnikos laos, o opoios empisteyetai kai pali ayth thn kybernhsh. Kata ta alla, h kybernhsh einai ayth, h opoia sto plaisio twn leitoyrgiwn ths, poy einai syntetagmenes, katastatikes leitoyrgies, me osa problepei to Syntagma kai o nomos, pairnei tis apofaseis ths, kanei tis epiloges ths. Den yparxei tipota gia to opoio mporei kapoios na cejei thn kybernhsh sto qema ayto. Ayta prepei na ta jekaqarisoyme, gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pera apo ayta poy akoygontai kai grafontai, o k. Giannopoylos, dhlwse se thleoptikh ekpomph, ektos apo ayta poy eipe sthn epistolh toy gia ton ``kafe'' toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti o k. Shmiths aytonomhqhke apo to PASOK. Qa hqela na mas plhroforhsete ean yparxei eidikh tajh h eidiko organo, eite sthn kybernhsh, eite sto PASOK, poy akoyei sto onoma ``kolaoyzos'';

REPPAS: Gi ayta den apanthsa xqes; Milhsa me ton k. Giannopoylo. O k. Giannopoylos den exei steilei kamia epistolh kai den protiqetai na steilei epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo. Me enhmerwse o idios gi ayto. Ara, mhn pairnete ws dedomeno oti exei steilei epistolh. Epishs, me diabebaiwse oti ola ayta ta opoia dhmosieyontai, ws symperasmata twn oswn eipe, den antapokrinontai sta pragmata. Kai, telos, gia na mhn afhsw anapanthto kai ayto to sxolio ths erwthshs sas, o Prwqypoyrgos exei eklegei apo ton ellhniko lao. O Proedros toy PASOK exei eklegei apo to Synedrio toy Kinhmatos. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti den einai dynato, o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy Kinhmatos na qewreitai mia monada poy exei prokycei ej oyranoy h me diadikasies, oi opoies den problepontai apo thn katastatikh leitoyrgia toy Kinhmatos.

PAPPA: Para to gegonos oti parapempete sto Kinhma gia ola ayta poy eipwqhkan sto E.G., qelw na sas rwthsw ta ejhs: Den synista qema otan enas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs kai o Proedros ths Boylhs, leei ayta poy leei sto E.G. kai dhmioyrgeitai h eikona poy dhmioyrgeitai gia thn kybernhsh; Epishs, exei kati na apanthsei h kybernhsh sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Skandalidh, o opoios emmesws plhn safws, prokalei ton k. Pagkalo na pei poioys ennoei;

REPPAS: O k. Skandalidhs ekane dhlwsh gia osa ton aforoyn. Th dhlwsh ayth thn prosypografoyme. Ta ths synedriashs toy E.G. den ta gnwrizw. Eseis apo dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se ayth th synedriash antleite stoixeia, prokeimenoy na diatypwsete erwthseis kai na kanete sxolia. Kalws, ayth einai h doyleia sas. Egw, omws, gia mia synedriash sthn opoia den symmeteixa, den einai dynaton na metaferw edw apoceis h sxolia. Oxi logw anarmodiothtas, epeidh den afora thn kybernhsh ayth h synedriash, alla kai giati den hmoyn parwn kai den einai dynaton na gnwrizw an ayta poy dhmosieyontai antapokrinontai sta pragmata. Ayto poy gnwrizw kai sas to eipa xqes, einai oti den egine kamia onomastikh anafora. Kai ayth einai h alhqeia.

LAMCIAS: To ``prosypografoyme'' shmainei oti o k. Pagkalos prepei na milhsei gia ta onomata poy ypainixqhke; O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK gnwrizei ayta poy ypainixqhke o k. Pagkalos;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei ayta poy eipe o k. Pagkalos sth synedriash. O k. Skandalidhs ekane sygkekrimenh dhlwsh gia osa ton aforoyn, oti den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me opoiodhpote peristatiko sto nhsi ths Keas. Prosypografoyme ayth th qesh. Kata ta alla, ta qemata ta opoia yparxoyn h qa prokycoyn, antimetwpizontai sto plaisio toy Kinhmatos. Den mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KARGOYDH: Apo shmerina dhmosieymata prokyptei h ektimhsh oti apo olh ayth thn eikotologia kai fhmologia qigetai h eikona, genikotera, ths leitoyrgias toy politikoy systhmatos. Qelw na rwthsw ean ayth h ektimhsh eggizei th sfaira twn kybernhtikwn problhmatismwn kai ep` aytoy ti protiqetai na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios para polles fores exei anaferqei sth boylhsh toy na anasynqesei to politiko skhniko;

REPPAS: Edw, qetete me thn erwthsh, poy taytoxrona apotelei kai enan ploysio problhmatismo, ena megalo zhthma. Asfalws, qigetai kai qampwnei h eikona toy politikoy systhmatos sth xwra mas. Kai ayto prepei na to antimetwpisoyn prwta kai kyria oi idioi oi politikoi paragontes. To qesmiko plaisio ths xwras, gia qemata poy aforoyn diaxeirish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos, pisteyoyme oti einai isxyro, oti einai apotelesmatiko. Asfalws, pantote yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs. Den qa prepei oi politikoi na epididontai se mia atekmhriwth, dhmagwgikh, epipolaih polles fores kathgoria enantion politikwn antipalwn, pisteyontas etsi oti kerdizoyn kommatikoys h politikoys pontoys. Giati, prepei na antilhfqoyn oti tetoioy eidoys kathgories, otan paramenoyn ekkremeis kai metewres, dhmioyrgoyn sygxysh kai symballoyn sth synthrhsh enos noshroy politikoy klimatos, to opoio afora oloys kai ephreazei telika dysmenws oloys. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se kapoies periptwseis poy diatypwqhkan kataggelies, asxolhqhkan oi dikastikes arxes. H synexeia einai gnwsth se sas. Gia ta dhmosia erga, paragontas ths N.D. ekane sygkekrimenes kataggelies. Klhqhke apo th Dikaiosynh. O,ti stoixeia yparxoyn -ayth einai h ypeyqynh stash- qa prepei na anadeiknyontai, na proskomizontai, prokeimenoy na apodidontai eyqynes se aytoys poy tis exoyn. Mia syzhthsh, h opoia synthreitai se ena tetoio nefelwdes epipedo, blaptei oloys. Kai toys politikoys kai th xwra. Blaptei thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

KARGOYDH: Einai emmesws politikh syzhthsh.

REPPAS: Antilambanomai oti h politikh syzhthsh den exei kamia sxesh me th sykofantia kai tis ybreis. An kapoioi qewroyn oti ayto einai politikh syzhthsh, asfalws den exoyn politiko enstikto h politikh krish.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sth shmerinh epistolh toy k. Pagkaloy sta "NEA" -sthn opoia kai eseis anaferqhkate- o k. Pagkalos epibebaiwnei oysiastika to reportaz ths efhmeridas, anaferei oti oydepote eipe onomata sto Ektelestiko Grafeio. Qelw na rwthsw, giati o k. Shmiths den ton rwthse poia einai ayta ta onomata.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, oydeis apo osoys einai edw htan sth synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai den gnwrizei ti akribws eipwqhke kai pws ejelixqhke h syzhthsh. O k. Pagkalos esteile mia epistolh. An qewreite, eseis h opoiosdhpote, oti h epistolh ayth dhmioyrgei qemata, qa prepei na apeyqynqeite ston k. Pagkalo kai na zhthsete peraiterw diasafhniseis. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai toyto: H kybernhsh me tis leitoyrgies ths pairnei apofaseis gia na prowqhsei thn politikh poy exei ejaggeilei kai hdh efarmozei. To Ektelestiko Grafeio kai ta organa toy PASOK stis synedriaseis toys prepei kai mporoyn na antimetwpizoyn ta qemata poy prokyptoyn, me bash tis katastatikes leitoyrgias toy Kinhmatos. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos, sthn epistolh toy, leei oti den eipe onomata. Den xreiazetai na einai kapoios ekei gia na amfisbhthsei kati poy leei mia mera meta. Grafei oti den eipe onomata. Rwtw: o k. Shmiths giati den ton rwthse poia einai ta onomata ayta; Ektos ki an ton rwthse, ta eipe o k. Pagkalos kai twra leei sthn epistolh toy cemata.

REPPAS: Syzhtoyme twra me ypoqeseis. An pragmatika dhmioyrgeitai ena peraiterw qema, prepei na apeyqynqeite armodiws kai na exete tis apanthseis. To pws h kybernhsh, sto plaisio twn eswterikwn leitoyrgiwn ths h to Kinhma sto plaisio twn katastatikwn leitoyrgiwn toy, diaxeirizontai qemata poy prokyptoyn, afhste na to apofasizoyn ta antistoixws armodia organa.

MOYRTZHS: Ean anadeiknyetai mia eidhsh, h opoia ekstomizetai apo ta xeilh enos ypoyrgoy se epishmo kommatiko organo kai dhmioyrgeitai h eikona oti kybernhtika stelexh synagelazontai me epixeirhmaties, ayto gia esas, apotelei koinwniko "koys-koys" kai san tetoio prepei na antimetwpistei h einai meizon politiko problhma;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes, gi` ayto. Den einai dynato na baqmologoyme h na ajiologoyme ton tropo me ton opoio zei kaqe poliths se ayth th xwra. Oi politikoi bebaiws prepei na deixnoyn ayjhmenh eyaisqhsia, oson afora ton tropo me ton opoio ekdhlwnetai h paroysia toys sth dhmosia zwh. To dexomaste oloi ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, kata kairoys grafontai diafora, ta opoia, qa moy epitrecete na pw, den mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno mias tetoias politikhs syzhthshs. Antikeimeno politikhs syzhthshs se ena tetoio epipedo, mporei na apotelesei h paraqesh sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn, h diatypwsh sygkekrimenhs kataggelias. Otan kapoios metakineitai me to kotero h me to elikoptero h me to polyteles aytokinhto kapoioy, den qa apotelesei antikeimeno politikhs syzhthshs. An kapoios exei sygkekrimena stoixeia, parakalw na ta paraqesei, na ta kataqesei. H Politeia mas einai syntetagmenh, exei arxes, exei organa poy qa epilhfqoyn tetoiwn qematwn.

MOYRTZHS: Oi megales doyleies den kleinontai se carobarkes, se kotera kleinontai. Kai edw ypainixqhke safws o k. Kaklamanhs oti h syntetagmenh Politeia ypoklinetai sthn asyntakth tajh twn proqalamwn.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh; An ypoklinetai, dhladh, h politikh, h Kybernhsh, h Boylh, h Dikaiosynh, poy apoteloyn ta koryfaia organa ths syntetagmenhs Politeias, sta oikonomika symferonta; Den to dexomai ayto.

MOYRTZHS: To ypainixqhke o k. Kaklamanhs.

REPPAS: Einai dynaton o Proedros ths Boylhs na dexetai oti h syntetagmenh Politeia, se ena qesmo ths opoias einai epikefalhs, ypoklinetai sta oikonomika symferonta! Den tiqetai tetoio qema. Eipame oti panta yparxoyn oikonomika symferonta. Opoy yparxei eleyqerh agora, ta oikonomika symferonta prospaqoyn na dieyrynoyn thn epirroh toys, na epekteinoyn to zwtiko xwro toys se baros kai ths politikhs. H politikh einai ayth poy apofasizei me gnwmona to genikotero symferon. H kybernhsh mas einai bebaio oti apofasizei me gnwmona to eqniko kai to koinwniko symferon. Gi` ayto, kat` epanalhch, o ellhnikos laos ths dinei, me thn chfo toy, thn entolh na synexisei na kyberna.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos deixnei mia eyaisqhsia se qemata diaplokhs, ton akoyme malista na kataggellei kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Poly apla, o Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai na rwthsei ton k. Pagkalo kai na parei dieykriniseis h qa afhsei to qema etsi;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, gi` ayto akribws to qema, ston k. Mpogiopoylo.

MPOYRDARAS: Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos, boyleyths toy kybernwntos kommatos, se radiofwniko staqmo -kai diabazw apo to reportaz thn apomagnhtofwnhsh twn dhlwsewn toy- eipe oti "diaplekomeno proswpo einai enas ton opoio exw kataggeilei kai o opoios kanei parea me idiokthtes kai paei sta kotera toys. Einai o k. Tsoykatos". Synypografete tis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy;

REPPAS: Den exw ypoch moy tetoia dhlwsh. An exei kati sygkekrimeno o k. ypoyrgos, mporei na to pei dhmosiws. To ekane. An exei kati na kataggeilei to opoio einai mempto, ajiopoino kai prepei na apotelesei antikeimeno peraiterw ereynas, mporei -htan ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs epi polla xronia kai spoydaios nomikos- na to anadeijei me ton tropo poy nomizei oti einai o pio katallhlos kai apotelesmatikos.

LASKARIDHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, mh apodexomenos oti o k. Aygerinos paizei to rolo ths Salwmhs, eqese to boyleyth Kedikogloy ektos Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai ton parepemce sta katastatika organa. Thn idia stigmh, allos boyleyths toy PASOK xarakthrizei, opws eipe kai o synadelfos, diaplekomeno ton k. Tsoykato. Na ypoqesoyme oti yioqetei ayto to xarakthrismo h kybernhsh, apo th stigmh poy den yphrje apodokimasia apo thn pleyra ths;

REPPAS: Th sygkekrimenh dhlwsh den thn exw ypoch moy. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na miloyme me enan tropo, o opoios na deixnei eyqynh kai endiaferon gia thn koinh prospaqeia poy kataballoyme. Na einai apotelesmatikh kai na petyxainoyme toys stoxoys mas poy aforoyn to eyrytero symferon. Kata ta alla, asfalws tetoioy eidoys symperifores, san ayth toy synadelfoy B. Kedikogloy, den mporei na pernoyn aparathrhtes. Oson afora toys xarakthrismoys toy k. Giannopoyloy, den toys gnwrizw, alla dexomai oti einai etsi opws toys metaferete. Exw na pw toyto: O k. Tsoykatos einai boyleyths, einai stelexos toy Kinhmatos poy exei ergastei, prokeimenoy to PASOK na dwsei nikhfora polles maxes kai oydepote kathgorhqhke.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa systhsei ston k. Pagkalo na paei sth Dikaiosynh kai na kataggeilei ayta ta proswpa;

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew gia ton k. Pagkalo. O Prwqypoyrgos qa toy zhthsei na paei ston eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Exete parasyrqei ki eseis apo tis drasthriothtes mias orismenhs paratajhs poy qelei na ta blepei ola katw apo ayto to prisma kai fainetai oti mono otan proseggise ta qemata ths dhmosias zwhs kai ths politikhs, katw apo mia astynomikh kai oxi episthmonikh antilhch, katorqwse na kybernhsei. Nomizete, loipon, oti oi eisaggeleis asxoloyntai genika me to na krinoyn pws zei kapoios; Oi eisaggeleis asxoloyntai otan yparxei ajiopoinh prajh. Oi eisaggeleis den einai aytoi oi opoioi qa ginoyn krites kai ajiologhtes toy tropoy me ton opoio zoyn oi polites. Einai gia na elegxoyn tis ajiopoines prajeis. Opoios exei na anaferei ajiopoines prajeis, mporei, prepei kai ofeilei na to kanei. Ola ta alla, den exoyn shmasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas eipe kai o k. synadelfos oti oi doyleies den kleinontai se carobarkes, kleinontai se kotera.

REPPAS: Kai egw sas lew oti ta megalytera egklhmata mporei na ginontai me tetoio tropo poy den mporei na syllabei o anqrwpinos noys. Kai h epinohtikothta ths agoras -to gnwrizete poly kala- einai tetoia, wste oydeis, oso eyfantastos ki an einai, na mporei na th syllabei kaq` oloklhrian. Mhn prospaqoyme, me tetoioy eidoys texnasmata, na dhmioyrgoyme ena nefos. Kaqenas ferei thn eyqynh aytwn poy leei kai aytwn poy kanei. Den kanoyme kai den leme oloi ta idia pragmata sthn koinwnia. Kai polles fores, otan kanoyme h leme to idio pragma, den to kanoyme h den to leme me ton idio tropo. Ayta einai xarakthristika ths zwhs twn anqrwpwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwteiste toys synadelfoys sas poy gyrizoyn me ta kotera.

REPPAS: Den einai mono ta kotera, einai kai ta elikoptera kai ta polytelh aytokinhta.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai na sygkalesei ektaktws to Ektelestiko Grafeio ajiopoiwntas kai tis katastatikes arxes toy Kinhmatos sas.

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema. To E.G., enocei ths synedriashs ths K.E. qa synedriasei kai pali thn epomenh ebdomada. Ektaktws, ti shmainei;

KARGOYDH: Logw toy meizonos politikoy symbantos poy qigei thn kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Qewreite oti einai meizon politiko symban;

KARGOYDH: Nai, giati phgazei apo to diko sas komma kai oxi apo thn antipoliteysh.

REPPAS: Sas lew, loipon, oti to E.G. qa synedriasei se liges hmeres kai qa syzhthsei qemata poy aforoyn thn epikeimenh synedriash ths K.E.

ALEJAKH: Gia sas, an den kanw laqos, den apotelei meizon qema olo ayto poy egine. Olo ayto poy egine, prokyptei se mia sygkyria kata thn opoia h kybernhsh kathgoreitai apo thn antipoliteysh, oxi mono apo th N.D., alla kai apo ta alla kommata, gia diaplokh. Otan symbainei ayto kai bgainoyn ypoyrgoi -o k. Pagkalos einai ypoyrgos, den einai enas aplos boyleyths, o k. Benizelos htan prwhn ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs- kai lene ayta, syn ton Proedro ths Boylhs, h kybernhsh h o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenoi apo ayth thn katastash;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei. Kanate ena logydrio, xwris na yparxei logos.

ALEJAKH: Exete ypobaqmisei to qema kai den exw katalabei giati.

REPPAS: Exete thn apoch sas. Prepei oloi na symfwnoyme kai na exoyme thn idia apoch;

ALEJAKH: Oxi, alla gia na katalabw, einai o Prwqypoyrgos ikanopoihmenos;

REPPAS: Ma, eseis qelete na exoyme oloi thn idia apoch. Sas enoxlei otan exoyme diaforetikh apoch. Emeis, to exw pei kat` epanalhch, me aformh alles erwthseis, qa eimaste ikanopoihmenoi otan exoyme thn aisqhsh oti petyxainoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei gia na bohqhsoyme ton topo. Mono tote qa eimaste ikanopoihmenoi.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Kaleite ton k. Giannopoylo, an exei kati sygkekrimeno, na to anadeijei. Ayth h ekklhsh, protroph, apeyqynetai kai ston k. Pagkalo;

REPPAS: Kaqenas exei thn eyqynh twn oswn kanei kai oswn leei. Opoios exei kati na pei, parakalw na to tekmhriwsei, na to stoixeioqethsei. Aytos einai o kanonas sth zwh twn anqrwpwn. Oi koinwnies den mporei na exoyn synoxh kai apotelesmatikh leitoyrgia xwris kanones.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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