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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Septembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Oson afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sas enhmerwnw pws ayrio, stis 10.30, o k. Shmiths qa ginei dektos apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn toys. Qa ton enhmerwsei gia to prosfato tajidi toy stis HPA kai ta apotelesmata twn syzhthsewn poy eixe sto plaisio ayths ths episkechs. Argotera, stis 12.30, qa synergastei me toys kyrioys Papantwnioy kai Paxta kai toys oikonomikoys synergates toy, enocei ths synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, thn Pempth.

Thn Pempth (14/9), stis 10.30, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Epanalambanw oti kaqierwnetai, pleon, h Pempth, ws hmera synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Antikeimeno ths synedriashs einai h politikh Perifereiakhs Anaptyjhs, poy exei xarajei kai efarmozei h kybernhsh, me aformh tis telikes apofaseis mas gia to G` K.P.S.

Epishs, qelw na sas anakoinwsw -epeidh hdh diapistwnw oti einai ena qema poy apasxolei thn koinh gnwmh, afoy exei kai analogh probolh sta MME- oti h epilogh toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy na mh metabei stis ekdhlwseis enarjhs ths Olympiadas toy Sidney, exei sxesh me thn apasxolhsh toy edw sthn Aqhna. H ekproswphsh ths xwras mas apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo Aqlhtismoy, alla kai apo thn hgesia toy "2004" stoys Olympiakoys Agwnes, einai plhrhs.

O ypoyrgos Politismoy qewrhse oti yparxoyn problhmata ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisei sthn Aqhna. Tetoia qemata idiaiterhs shmasias einai h katartish -brisketai sto teliko stadio - toy legomenoy "arxaiologikoy nomoy", h katartish toy programmatos toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, me th xrhmatodothsh toy G` K.P.S., h anadeijh twn anadoxwn kai to anoigma twn sxetikwn prosforwn gia to Moyseio ths Akropolhs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: O k. Pagkalos, xqes, eixe enhmerwsei toys syntaktes toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy na metaboyn sto aerodromio, apo o,ti gnwrizw, gia na kanei mia dhlwsh, prin fygei gia to Sidney. Ara, loipon, kati allaje apo xqes to apogeyma, mexri shmera to prwi. Oi proteraiothtes toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy den htan gnwstes, xqes to apogeyma, otan o k. Pagkalos eixe kalesei toys syntaktes gia na kanei ayth th dhlwsh, prin apo thn anaxwrhsh toy;

REPPAS: To ypoyrgeio Politismoy prokeitai na ekdwsei deltio Typoy, poy qa anaferetai se ayta ta qemata.

O k. Pagkalos eixe ayto ton problhmatismo, aytes tis skeceis. Qewrhse oti eprepe na epikoinwnhsei prwta me ton Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy na labei thn telikh apofash toy. O Prwqypoyrgos, meta thn epikoinwnia toy me ton k. Pagkalo, dexqhke toys logoys poy proebale o k. Pagkalos kai katopin aytoy, o k. Pagkalos den qa episkefqei telika to Sidney.

KARELIAS: Ejefrase kamia dysforia o k. Pagkalos h opoiosdhpote allos ypoyrgos gia tis yperogkes amoibes poy dinei o "Organismos 2004" se orismenoys stenoys synergates ths k. Aggelopoyloy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o "2004" exei th dikh toy dioikhtikh domh. Exei organa ta opoia apofasizoyn epi olwn twn qematwn. Ola ayta ta qemata -kai to sygkekrimeno- antimetwpizontai, kaqe fora, se synennohsh me toys armodioys paragontes ths kybernhshs. H hgesia toy "2004" brisketai sthn Aystralia. Opoies ekkremothtes yparxoyn qa antimetwpistoyn, bebaiws, mesa se pneyma synergasias, opws ginetai pantote mexri twra.

KARELIAS: Den enoxlei thn Kybernhsh to gegonos oti orismenoi anqrwpoi, epanalambanw, stenoi synergates ths k. Aggelopoyloy, ferontai na eisprattoyn apo pente ews deka ekatommyria mhniaiws; Den thn enoxlei ayto thn kybernhsh; Den einai proklhsh ayto to gegonos;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh mia proklhsh exei apenanti ths kai prepei na thn antimetwpisei. Einai h proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia thn artia diorganwsh ths Olympiadas. Apo ekei kai pera, ta epimeroys qemata apofasizontai apo to armodio Organo toy "2004".To synolo twn qematwn aytwn apofasizontai, me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras kai bebaiws, thn kalyterh proetoimasia ths xwras. An yparxoyn opoiadhpote alla qemata, tiqentai -opws ta qetete kai eseis- kai lambanontai oi apofaseis. Den einai qema to opoio qa syzhthsei h kybernhsh sta organa ths. Einai qema to opoio qa syzhthsoyn ta Organa toy "2004" kai o kata periptwsh armodios ypoyrgos kai qa dwsoyn tis kalyteres lyseis.

MOYRTZHS: Me sygxwreite, ayta ta xrhmata, apo poy ektamieyontai; Apo tis proswpikes epixeirhseis ths k. Aggelopoyloy h toy andra ths@;

REPPAS: Mhn proxwreite, k. Moyrtzh@

MOYRTZHS: @me sygxwreite h apo ton kratiko proypologismo;

REPPAS: Einai dynaton; Yparxei periptwsh na ektamieyontai apo kapoio idiwtiko tameio; Den gnwrizete oti h xwra mas, enocei ths diorganwshs ths Olympiadas, exei problecei ektos apo ton proypologismo kai ena shmantiko poso apo alloys poroys, apo th DOE kai tis xorhgies, to opoio qa diateqei gi` ayto to skopo;

MOYRTZHS: Yparxei elegktikos mhxanismos gi` aytes tis amoibes, parakalw;

REPPAS: Asfalws, yparxei elegktikos mhxanismos.

MOYRTZHS: Poios einai aytos;

REPPAS: Einai oi kata periptwsh armodioi ypoyrgoi kai o "Organismos 2004" poy prepei na kinhqei entos twn oikonomikwn plaisiwn poy exoyn apofasistei. Ta oikonomika oria exoyn apofasistei -to gnwrizete- apo thn idia thn kybernhsh. Se ayta ta oikonomika oria kinoyntai ta Organa toy "2004". Kai oi orkwtoi logistes, opws gia kaqe A.E., etsi kai gia ton "2004" exoyn armodiothta.

KARAKWSTAS: Dhladh, an katalabame kala, qa merimnhsoyn oi armodioi ypoyrgoi epi toy qematos;

REPPAS: Katalabate poly kala.

FILHS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio poy qa synedriasei thn Pempth, me qema thn perifereiakh anaptyjh kai to G@ K.P.S., qa ginei syzhthsh gia ta olympiaka erga, osa einai na ginoyn sthn eparxia gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai qa xrhmatodothqoyn apo to G@ K.P.S.;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayta exoyn syzhthqei se palaioteres synedriaseis, kyriws ths diypoyrgikhs epitrophs poy asxoleitai me to qema ths proetoimasias ths xwras mas gia thn Olympiada. Exoyme pei, metajy twn allwn, oti ena tmhma twn ergwn aytwn qa xrhmatodothqei kai me poroys toy G@ K.P.S.

FILHS: Ayto exei ginei apodekto apo tis Bryjelles;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. Einai erga ta opoia enisxyoyn thn ypodomh ths xwras mas. Oi basikes aytes ypodomes den ginontai mono gia thn Olympiada. Beltiwnoyn, asfalws, kai thn katastash twn ypodomwn sth xwra mas. Den exei yparjei kanena problhma.

FILHS: Gnwrizete na yparxei problhma me tis Bryjelles;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei opoiodhpote problhma.

KARAGIANNH: An den kanw laqos, eipate oti h Epitroph ``Aqhna 2004'' qa prepei na kinhqei entos toy plaisioy twn oriwn poy exoyn teqei. To erwthma einai, ean kineitai hdh entos aytoy toy plaisioy.

REPPAS: Asfalws kineitai.

KARAGIANNH: Epeidh yparxei kai seira dhmosieymatwn, hqela na sas rwthsw ean h nea hgesia toy ``Aqhna 2004'' apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Apolambanei thn apolyth empistosynh ths kybernhshs.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to mparaz epiqesewn toy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias gia to qema ths diaplokhs; Malista, xqes milhse pali gia sygkalych@

REPPAS: Einai anamenomenh h stash ayth toy k. Karamanlh. Me ayto ton tropo prospaqei na antimetwpisei ta eswkommatika problhmata sth N.D., kaqws h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh odeyei pros to synedrio. Epishs, prospaqei na sygkalycei thn programmatikh kai politikh endeia ths paratajhs toy ki etsi na ejasfalisei thn paroysia sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras, me mia sklhrh, ypotiqetai, qesh apenanti sthn kybernhsh. O bios kai h politeia ths N.D. den epitrepoyn se opoiondhpote, poly perissotero sthn hgesia ths, mia tetoia politikh symperifora. Giati, o bios kai h politeia ths N.D. einai synwnyma ths adiafaneias kai ths ejarthshs apo oikonomikes ejoysies. Allwste, se mia koinwnia, opws einai h dikh mas, kaqe prohgmenh oikonomia antimetwpizei analoga fainomena. Sygkroyontai oikonomika, idiwtika symferonta. Kai otan sygkroyontai, h politikh den mporei na einai diaxeirisths ayths ths sygkroyshs. Oyte oi politikoi einai dynato na topoqetoyntai se mia pleyra metajy olwn aytwn poy sygkroyontai. Ayto poy prepei na kanoyme einai na orisoyme ena plaisio, na epopteyoyme kai na elegxoyme thn efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy. H kybernhsh exei isxyrh boylhsh, exei dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio kai elegxei thn thrhsh twn kanonwn poy diamorfwnoyn to plaisio ayto. Kata ta alla, oi kathgories aytes -epanalambanw- einai anamenomenes. Den apodeiknyoyn tipota allo, para thn agwniwdh prospaqeia poy kanei h hgesia ths httas ths N.D. afenos na antimetwpisei eswterika problhmata sto komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai afeteroy na deijei, me ayto ton tropo, oti h kybernhsh einai diablhth, ligoys mhnes meta tis ekloges, oti dhladh o ellhnikos laos ekane laqos poy epeleje Prwqypoyrgo ton k. Shmith. Nomizw oti ypotima etsi kai ton idio ton ellhniko lao, o opoios epanalambanw oti se analoges periptwseis edwse tis katallhles apanthseis.

KONTOPOYLOS: Shmera dhmosieyetai mia antallagh epistolwn toy k. Rizoy kai toy k. Kefalogiannh. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio! Einai dynaton h kybernhsh na sxoliazei thn allhlografia metajy paragontwn ths politikhs kai twn ekdotwn;

MOYRTZHS: Epeidh, k. Ekproswpe, milhsate gia nomiko plaisio, yparxei o nomos Benizeloy poy apagoreyei idiokthths MME na einai metoxos h na anhkei se ayton etaireia poy exei ergolabies me to Dhmosio. Kai yparxei ki enas allos nomos peri antagwnismoy poy apagoreyei se etaireia na exei despozoysa qesh sthn agora. Pws symbibazetai to teleytaio bebaia me tis promhqeies thlepikoinwniakoy ylikoy poy promhqeyetai o OTE apo mia etaireia ychlhs texnologias;

REPPAS: Den eiste apolyta enhmerwmenos oyte eseis, oyte polloi alloi, oxi mono sympolites mas, alla kai -lypoymai na to pw- politikoi, oi opoioi miloyn gia ta qemata ayta kai deixnoyn milwntas, me ton tropo poy miloyn, oti agnooyn ta osa isxyoyn sthn patrida mas. Yparxei o nomos 2328/95 poy afora th leitoyrgia twn idiwtikwn hlektronikwn MME, twn staqmwn eleyqerhs lhchs. Yparxei o nomos 2644/98 poy afora toys staqmoys poy prosferoyn syndromhtiko radiothleoptiko programma. Yparxei kat` ejoysiodothsh toy nomoy 2328/95, to P.D. 310/96, to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti sympyknwnei polles kanonistikes prajeis poy problepei o sxetikos nomos. To agnooyn ayto para polloi poy isxyrizontai oti den exoyn ekdoqei ta sxetika P.D.. To nomiko plaisio poy isxyei sth xwra mas den apagoreyei se syggeneis paragontwn poy einai promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy h ergolhptes dhmosiwn ergwn na einai kai metoxoi se epixeirhseis MME. Ayto to gnwrizete. Para tayta an yparxei protash poy na odhgei sth qesh oti prepei na egkaqidrysoyme thn oikogeneiakh eyqynh, dhladh na apokleiontai pantelws oi syggeneis, akomh ki an exoyn mia aytonomh poreia, an diaqetoyn oikonomikh anejarthsia poy apodeiknyetai meta apo elegxoys, ayto einai kati allo. Alla den einai ayto poy isxyei shmera. Kata ta alla, loipon, den yparxoyn -epanalambanw- ws metoxoi twn MME proswpa poy einai kai ergolhptes h promhqeytes toy dhmosioy. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

MOYRTZHS: Oson afora to nomo@

REPPAS: O nomos ayto problepei kai o nomos efarmozetai.

MOYRTZHS: Efarmozetai;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, efarmozetai. Oson afora twra ta qema ths despozoysas qeshs prepei na sas pw oti h anejarthth arxh poy exei armodiothta sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh einai h epitroph antagwnismoy sthn opoia prosfeygei kaqe endiaferomenos, zhtwntas ton analogo elegxo epi twn qematwn poy proteinei na ereynhqoyn. Parallhla, h epitroph antagwnismoy, ws anejarthth arxh, apo monh ths elegxei kaqe fora, me krithrio thn katalhch despozoysas qeshs, th drasthriothta poy anaptyssoyn diaforoi epixeirhmatikoi foreis. Ayta prepei na einai safh. Kai epeidh ginetai pollh syzhthsh gia ta qemata sto xwro twn MME, amesws meta tis ekloges eixa anakoinwsei oti h qesh mas einai na anabaqmisoyme, mexris plhroys anejarthtopoihshs toy, to ESR. Kai qa to kanoyme me tetoio tropo poy qa einai syntagmatika orqos kai qa antapokrinetai sto dhmosio symferon. Parexoyme plhrh aytonomia. Tetoia poy den exei kanena allo organo, me analoges armodiothtes sthn E.E.. Kalo einai, loipon, na miloyme meta logoy gnwsews. Den ginetai ayto kai dhmioyrgoyntai para polla problhmata. Emeis exoyme epilejei na eimaste ypeyqynoi, sygkrathmenoi, sobaroi, prokeimenoy na kanoyme swsta th doyleia mas. Den epidiwkoyme th dhmioyrgia efhmerwn entypwsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh eipate meta logoy gnwsews, pisteyete eilikrina oti aytoi poy einai promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy den exoyn kai MME;

REPPAS: H prospaqeia poy ginetai, ayth thn wra, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia thn anaqewrhsh diatajewn toy Syntagmatos, einai na antimetwpisoyme to fainomeno ths xrhsimopoihshs parenqetwn proswpwn, wste na mhn yparxei oysiastikh symptwsh sto idio proswpo, toy katoxoy enos Mesoy Enhmerwshs, me thn idiothta toy ergolhpth dhmosioy ergoy h promhqeyth toy Dhmosioy. Sas lew, omws, oti to isxyon nomiko plaisio epitrepei se syggeneis, akomh kai A@ Baqmoy, paragontwn poy einai ergolhptes dhmosiwn ergwn h promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy na katexoyn MME. Opws, mporei kai syggeneis akomh kai A@ Baqmoy na katexoyn MME ths idias kathgorias, arkei na exoyn oikonomikh aytoteleia. Mporoyn, dhladh, h syzygos, o gios, o adelfos -me ta osa isxyoyn shmera- ergolhpth dhmosioy ergoy na exei symmetoxh se ena MME. Opws, mporoyn adelfia na symmetexoyn se diaforetikoys thleoptikoys staqmoys, arkei na apodeiknyetai h oikonomikh aytarkeia enos ekastoy. Fainetai oti den ta gnwrizete ayta kai dinetai h entypwsh oti den efarmozetai o nomos. O nomos efarmozetai. As diatypwqoyn, loipon, pera apo tis kathgories kai toys aforismoys sygkekrimenes protaseis. Na syzhthsoyme epi twn protasewn. An kapoioi proteinoyn na egkaqidrysoyme thn arxh ths oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs, na to syzhthsoyme ki ayto. Sas lew oti den isxyei poyqena sthn Eyrwph. Ola ayta syzhtoyntai. Emeis epidiwkoyme me synainetiko tropo na prokycoyn oi kalyteres, kata to dynato, ryqmiseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mas lete gia to Syntagma, twra mas lete oti isxyei o nomos, ti skepteste na isxysei sto mellon; Exete pelagwsei h qelete na kalycete kapoion!

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. Eseis exete pelagwsei apo agnoia. Eseis, profanws, yperaspizeste kapoioys, oi opoioi einai dysaresthmenoi me to aysthro plaisio poy isxyei shmera. Sas lew, loipon, oti den yparxei sthn Eyrwph antistoixo plaisio nomiko kai qesmiko. Qelete na to kanoyme pio aysthro, egkaqidryontas thn arxh ths oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs; Na to syzhthsoyme, efoson proteinetai kai ayto kai efoson symfwneite, kati tetoio na apotelesei ryqmish poy qa perilhfqei kai sto Syntagma. Na ta syzhthsoyme kai ayta an nomizete oti einai qemata, poy prepei na mas apasxolhsoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den yparxei sthn Eyrwph, kyrie Ypoyrge; Mia omada phge na agorasei kai to stamathsan amesws.

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. Profanws, exete pantelh agnoia gia to nomiko plaisio poy isxyei se xwres ths Eyrwphs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To oti den isxyei sthn Eyrwph einai kai h kat arxas apanthsh sas gia to qema poy qigete sth sxetikh protash poy yparxei@;

REPPAS: H apanthsa poy edwsa prin einai taytoxrona ena sxolio gia osa syzhtoyntai ayth thn periodo. To Syntagma mas prepei na einai ena sygxrono Syntagma, to opoio periexei ryqmiseis poy exoyn mia -kat` oikonomia twn pragmatwn- eyryxwria. Den einai dynato na apoteloyn, to Syntagma kai oi ryqmiseis toy, diatajeis oi opoies exoyn mia tetoia ejeidikeysh san na einai nomos h ypoyrgikh apofash. To Syntagma den allazei kaqe xrono. Alla, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia thn anaqewrhsh diatajewn toy, sas eipa poia einai h tash, poia einai h diaqesh ths kybernhshs. H boylhsh mas h opoia einai isxyrh, paramenei. Na synennohqoyme gia na antimetwpisoyme ola ta qemata. Alla, einai allo ayto kai allo na diatypwnontai aforismoi kai kathgories gia ta osa isxyoyn shmera, ta opoia oi perissoteroi ek twn omiloyntwn ta agnooyn. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O Grammateas toy Kommatos, panw sto opoio sthrizetai h kybernhsh, exei taxqei eyqews yper ths diatajhs gia thn opoia milate. Eseis, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, pairnete tetoia safh qesh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h syzhthsh poy ginetai sth Boylh desmeyei ki emas na antimetwpisoyme ola ta qemata me tropo synainetiko. Qa proxwrhsoyme kai se pio aysthres ryqmiseis, an to proteinete kai h diatypwsh qa apeikonizei ayth th diaqesh mas. Hmoyn safhs se ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh milhsate gia to ESR -eilikrina den to gnwrizw- mporeite na mas peite poia einai h tyxh twn apofasewn poy exei parei to ESR gia poines se radiothleoptikoys staqmoys;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola gia na epiblhqei, me dikh moy apofash, h kyrwsh poy exei apofasisei to ESR, prepei na prohghqei o legomenos elegxos nomimothtas. Gia na ginei ayto qa prepei, peran ths apofashs, ths anakoinwshs, dhladh, gia thn epibolh mias kyrwshs, na exoyme sth diaqesh mas olo to fakelo, ta leptomerh stoixeia, metajy twn allwn, ta plhrh praktika ths synedriashs. To leei o nomos ayto. Gia polles apofaseis den exei stalei o plhrhs fakelos. Mh biazeste, den gnwrizete ta qemata. Me sygxwreite para poly poy to lew etsi, alla aganaktw, otan blepw me eykolia na miloyn kapoioi, gia qemata ta opoia den gnwrizoyn.

FILHS: O k. Lampridhs, eipe pro ebdomados, oti ta exei steilei.

REPPAS: Sas lew, prwton, oti den exei stalei o plhrhs fakelos gia oles tis apofaseis. Deyteron, epeidh h epibolh twn kyrwsewn apotelei -opws exei omologhsei kai to Symboylio Epikrateias- synqeth dioikhtikh energeia, se periptwseis poy o elegxos nomimothtas odhgei sto symperasma oti den exoyn epiblhqei me orqo tropo oi kyrwseis aytes, kata th dikh mas nomikh apoch -giati ayto apotelese shmeio antidikias sto prosfato parelqon- tote den egkrinetai h apofash.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gia poies periptwseis den exoyn ekdoqei me orqo tropo;

REPPAS: Gia paradeigma, to Proedriko Diatagma toy 1992, poy isxyei sth xwra mas gia th legomenh emmesh diafhmish, leei oti qa prepei na apodeiknyetai pws h probolh enos proiontos h h probolh mias yphresias egine enanti antallagmatos h kapoias allhs analoghs plhrwmhs. Qa prepei na doyme an prokyptei oti exei katablhqei antallagma h analogh plhrwmh gia mia qewroymenh emmesh diafhmish. Ayto leme. Kai ekei yparxei mia diastash, oson afora th nomikh ermhneia. Alla, ola ayta ta qemata -sas lew kai pali- sto nomo poy exoyme katartisei kai einai, sxedon, etoimos gia to ESR, antimetwpizontai me kaqe leptomereia, wste to ESR na exei ekeino th dynatothta na pairnei apofaseis, oi opoies qa einai kai ektelestes. Xwris, dhladh, na prohgeitai elegxos nomimothtas, opws problepetai apo to isxyon kaqestws. Ayto toys ikanopoiei oloys. Ara, loipon, qa exoyn to dikaiwma, opoioi qewroyn oti qigontai h oti toys adikoyn oi apofaseis toy ESR, na prosfeygoyn sta dikasthria. Den yparxei allos tropos, dhladh, toy elegxoy nomimothtas twn apofasewn, para monon h dikastikh odos. Ayto qa kanoyme. Sas lew, loipon, oti gia ola ayta ta qemata exoyme merimnhsei. Epeidh, omws, ginetai ektetamenh syzhthsh, xwris na gnwrizoyn polloi poy omiloyn epimeroys stoixeia, adikoyn kai thn kybernhsh kai adikoyn kai oloys ekeinoys poy exoyn kanei terastia doyleia ston tomea ayto. Tis epomenes hmeres qa paraxwrhsw synenteyjh Typoy stoys synadelfoys sas toy radiothleoptikoy reportaz kai ola ayta qa ta poyme me kaqe leptomereia. An deite to P.D. 310/1996, me to opoio idrysame to Tmhma Elegxoy-Diafaneias, qa diapistwsete oti ola ayta poy syzhtoyntai shmera, antimetwpizontai apo ayto to Proedriko Diatagma. Sas kalw na to diabasete. Kai kalw kai prokalw opoiondhpote politiko h allo paragonta sth xwra mas na prosqesei kati, poy qewrei oti leipei apo ayto to P.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, efarmozetai;

REPPAS: Akoyste, k. Stamatopoyle. Den qa kathgoreite emas epeidh epixeirhsame na proslaboyme toys anqrwpoys gia na stelexwsoyme ayto to Tmhma Elegxoy-Diafaneias sto ESR, alla to ASEP xreiasthke dyo xronia, mesa apo allepallhles diadikasies, gia th stelexwsh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na to katarghsete.

REPPAS: Antiqetws. Apla kanoyme pio apotelesmatikes tis diadikasies toy. Na, loipon, ena paradeigma xarakthristiko, gia to poso anagkaia htan h allagh, poy apofasise h kybernhsh kai prowqei h ka Papandreoy. Dyo xronia xreiasthke to ASEP gia na stelexwsei to Tmhma Elegxoy-Diafaneias. Kai apo ta 17 stelexh-episthmones poy problepetai sto P.D. na proslhfqoyn gi ayto to Tmhma, proselabe ta oktw. Ti allo prepei na kanei h kybernhsh; Exw jekinhsei th diadikasia ayth, ws Ypoyrgos, apo to 1996. Ypoblhqhkan peripoy 500 aithseis apo endiaferomenoys, edw sto ypoyrgeio mas. H diadikasia ayth stamathse giati to ASEP ekrine -kai orqws opws apodeixqhke- oti ekeino qa eprepe na epimelhqei ayths ths diadikasias. Gi ayto to logo kaqysterhsame kai gia kanenan allo. Allo, twra, an to idio to ESR -opws emeis organwsame mhtrwa- qa mporoyse na organwsei kapoia mhtrwa kai na kataxwrhsei ekei ta stoixeia twn metoxwn olwn ekeinwn poy exoyn symmetoxh sta MME. Loipon, epeidh dinetai ayth h entypwsh, kalw esas kai oloys osoi endiaferontai gia th syzhthsh poy kanoyme, na melethsoyn to 310/1996 kai an exoyn kati na prosqesoyn, na epanelqoyn. Kai sas lew ek twn proterwn oti ayto ginetai dekto. Alla, epanalambanw oti tetoio plaisio epishs den yparxei se kamia xwra ths Eyrwphs. H Gallia prospaqei na xrhsimopoihsei ayto to plaisio, epi to elastikotero. Kamia allh xwra. Edw, dystyxws, exoyme epidoqei se ena "kynhgi magisswn" gia logoys politikwn kai kommatikwn entypwsewn. Den nomizw oti ayto bohqa th Dhmokratia kai th dhmosia zwh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Pote qa oloklhrwqei h dikh sas nomikh diereynhsh gia thn orqothta twn periptwsewn poy ekkremoyn;

REPPAS: Analogws twn apofasewn. An oi apofaseis exoyn polla h synqeta stoixeia xreiazetai mia pio prosektikh meleth. Alla, einai diadikasia poy krataei ligoys mhnes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Hdh, exoyn perasei eji mhnes.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Proeklogika@

REPPAS: Ayta ta exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, prin apo tis ekloges. Giati, eida ena synadelfo apo to Synaspismo na kataqetei sxetikh erwthsh, opws diabasa se efhmerides, otan hmoyn sthn Amerikh. Exw apanthsei se polloys synadelfoys moy kai apo alla kommata poy kateqesan, proeklogika, analoges erwthseis. Yparxoyn, loipon, se tetoioy eidoys qemata, diaforetikes nomikes ermhneies. Kai prepei na sas pw oti edw sto ypoyrgeio mas exoyme kaloys nomikoys. Ena paradeigma sas lew monon: Otan to DHKKI prosefyge sto StE, zhtwntas na kriqei antisyntagmatikos o tropos sygkrothshs toy ESR, kathgorwntas mas oti parabiazoyme to Syntagma kai to pneyma toy nomoy, telikws apodeixqhke oti eixame dikio emeis. Eimaste poly prosektikoi se ayta ta qemata. Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw gi` ayto. Den lew oti den yparxoyn elleiceis h kaqysterhseis. Yparxoyn. Kai se orismenoys tomeis megales. Gia polloys logoys poy, metajy twn allwn, aforoyn ta idia ta MME. O 2328, p.x., o basikos nomos gia ta hlektronika MME eleyqerhs lhchs den proeblepe kata th diadikasia xorhghshs twn adeiwn th dynatothta na symplhrwnoyn stoixeia ta opoia meta apo ton prwto elegxo diapistwnetai oti leipoyn apo to fakelo toys. Kai prepei na sas pw oti ola ta MME eixan shmantikes elleiceis. Ayto shmainei oti qa eprepe na kleisoyn ola ta MME. Me ton 2644/98, sto arqro 19, dwsame th dynatothta sta MME, meta apo dikh mas prosklhsh, kai sth fash ayth eimaste twra, afoy melethsame 120.000 selides -aytos einai o ogkos toy ylikoy- kai afoy entopisame tis elleiceis toys, na kataqesoyn symplhrwmatika stoixeia. Skopos mas den htan na kleisoyme ta MME. Skopos mas htan kai einai na egkaqidrysoyme kanones nomimhs leitoyrgias toys. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas kai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy na syzhthsoyme en ektasei ola ayta ta qemata. Lypamai omws otan blepw stis efhmerides na grafontai diafora poy den exoyn antikrisma alhqeias. Ki egw jerete epeidh exw thn idiothta toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai asxoloymai kaqhmerina me xilia dyo alla qemata, den prolabainw na syzhthsw h na anadeijw ta qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy. Panta, o Ypoyrgos Typoy "adikeitai" apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Ayto einai kanonas, opws exw katalabei.

KARAGIANNH: Mia dieykrinish mono, k. Ypoyrge: H epishmansh sas sto prohgoymeno qema poy syzhtoysame, oti to Syntagma prepei na exei mia eyryxwria kai na mhn exei logikh nomoy h ypoyrgikhs apofashs, afora th diatypwsh syntagmatikhs diatajhs gia to asymbibasto metajy ths idiothtas idiokthth Mesoy Enhmerwshs h afora thn asymbatothta@

REPPAS: Einai mia genikh qesh. Afora to synolo twn diatajewn kai to pws diatypwnontai oi diatajeis aytes. Kata ta alla, to asymbibasto ayto, problepetai sto nomo. Symfwnoyme na symperilhfqei kai sth sxetikh diatajh toy Syntagmatos, kati poy den ginotan mexri twra kai den ginetai -to tonizw kai ayto- se kanena sygxrono Syntagma. Se kanena eyrwpaiko Syntagma den yparxoyn tetoies diatajeis.

FILHS: Kai giati ypoxwreite, tote;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. "Kaqaros oyranos, astrapes den fobatai". Otan exoyme na kanoyme me kakopistoys, oi opoioi qewroyn oti h kybernhsh, menontas se mia qesh arxhs, se mia orqh kata ta alla qesh, qa antimetwpisei th laikh orgh, emeis, epeidh akribws den exoyme tipota ma tipota, pragmatika, na krycoyme -to exw pei kat` epanalhch ayto- symfwnoyme na diatypwqoyn sto Syntagma kai oi ryqmiseis aytes.

FILHS: Ti shmainei ayto;

REPPAS: Qa ta deite sth diatypwsh. Den mporw na prokatalabw egw thn Epitroph ths Boylhs sthn opoia syzhteitai to qema. Den qa kanw egw anakoinwseis. Gnwrizete oti h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos apotelei koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Desmeyete thn kybernhsh, omws.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh ekfrazetai me thn pleiochfia. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia toylaxiston, h kybernhsh dhladh, exei diatypwsei analytikh eishghsh gia ola ta qemata.

KARGOYDH: Sto prohgoymeno kefalaio, gia ta genika peri diaplokhs: Afoy xarakthrisate aytonohth thn anaptyjh antagwnismoy metajy idiwtikwn symferontwn, eipate oti oi politikoi den mporoyn na strefontai pros th mia pleyra aytwn twn symferontwn. Poioys ennoeite;

REPPAS: Diatypwsa mia qesh arxhs. Eipa oti h politikh den mporei na einai diaxeirisths ths sygkroyshs twn idiwtikwn oikonomikwn symferontwn kai oti oi politikoi den mporei na dinoyn thn entypwsh oti topoqetoyntai se ena apo ta polla metwpa poy sygkroyontai.

KARGOYDH: Parathreitai tetoio fainomeno, shmera;

REPPAS: Einai mia qesh arxhs. Einai kanonas ayto. Den prepei na ginetai. Den mporei na ginetai. Den epitrepetai na ginetai ayto. Kai isws, qa prepei na problefqei (mias kai syzhtoyme gia tis diatajeis toy Syntagmatos poy einai ypo anaqewrhsh) oi politikoi, oi ypoyrgoi bebaiws -einai aytonohto kai poly fysiko- alla kai oi boyleytes na mhn exoyn th dynatothta na apasxoloyntai amesws h emmesws se MME. Na mhn mporoyn na ta ekproswpoyn enwpion dikastikwn h dioikhtikwn arxwn. Logiko den einai ayto; Blepw apo tis antidraseis sas oti symfwnoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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