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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Aygoystoy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Antikeimeno syzhthshs h politikh sto xwro ths Paideias.

O Prwqypoyrgos, eisagwgikws, enhmerwse ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy oti oi synedriaseis toy, kaqws kai oi synedriaseis olwn twn kybernhtikwn organwn qa ginontai efejhs thn Pempth @opws sas exw enhmerwsei apo th Deytera.

Anaferomenos sth sygkyria, proxwrhse se orismenes epishmanseis enocei ths DEQ, opoy ekei, opws eiqistai, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei, kata kyrio logo, gia thn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs.

H dikh mas politikh exei aposafhnistei me apofaseis poy exoyme labei se synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy thn prohgoymenh periodo. Ta metra poy ejaggeilame proeklogika ston ellhniko lao einai ayta ta opoia orioqetoyn kai tis draseis poy qa analaboyme thn erxomenh periodo.

Oi stoxoi, poy kata proteraiothta qetoyme ston tomea ths oikonomikhs politikhs, einai:

H enswmatwsh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias sthn eyrwpaikh.

H epiteyjh ths diathrhsimothtas oswn epiteygmatwn exoyme shmeiwsei ews shmera.

H ajiopoihsh twn porwn poy exoyme gia thn peraiterw anaptyjiakh wqhsh ths xwras mas.

H enisxysh twn ptyxwn ths koinwnikhs politikhs mas. Kai bebaiws einai,

H epiteyjh, telikws, ths pragmatikhs sygklishs ths ellhnikhs koinwnias me tis alles xwres ths E.E.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti mesa sto Septembrio oloklhrwnontai oi syzhthseis kai oristikopoioyntai oi apofaseis gia thn katartish toy neoy Proypologismoy, o opoios qa einai o prwtos Proypologismos me pleonasma kai elpizoyme oti kai oi epomenoi Proypologismoi qa exoyn to idio apotelesma, qa paroysiazoyn dhladh pleonasma, afoy aytos einai monimos stoxos mas.

O k. Shmiths ypogrammise oti qa prepei na parameinoyme prosektikoi, oson afora tis dapanes sto dhmosio tomea. H entajh ths xwras sthn ONE mas dinei kalyteres dynatothtes, dhmioyrgei perissoteres proypoqeseis gia na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti qa periorisoyme thn prosoxh, to endiaferon kai th merimna poy ews twra exoyme epideijei, prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyme ta oikonomika epiteygmata mas. Gi` ayto prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi stis dapanes poy qa kanei to Dhmosio thn erxomenh periodo.

Epishs, qa anaptyxqei peraiterw syzhthsh gia thn perifereiakh anaptyjh ths xwras, me thn ajiopoihsh twn porwn toy G@ KPS. Hdh, to G@ KPS syzhteitai kai qa labei thn telikh morfh kai diarqrwsh toy thn epomenh periodo. Ayth thn periodo arxizei o dialogos se polloys tomeis. Exei proteraiothta o koinwnikos dialogos gia ta qemata ths ergasias, idiaiterws gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias. Einai o prwtos sth seira antistoixwn energeiwn apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs me th synergasia koinwnikwn forewn.

O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti, bebaiws, den yparxei tomeas o opoios den einai shmantikos gia thn kaqhmerinh zwh toy polith kai tonise oti oloi oi tomeis, kaqenas gia toys logoys toy, exei shmasia gia th xwra mas kai thn proodo twn politwn. Ayto poy prepei na kanoyme einai na dwsoyme to baros mas, kyriws, stoys tomeis ekeinoys apo toys opoioys qa kriqei kai h politikh mas thn epomenh tetraetia.

Opws gnwrizete, se prohgoymena Ypoyrgika Symboylia, exoyme syzhthsei ta qemata Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai exoyme labei sxetikes apofaseis. Exoyme syzhthsei ta qemata ths ergasias kai to problhma ths anergias. Exoyme syzhthsei thn politikh sto xwro ths Ygeias kai qa katartistei sxetiko nomosxedio. Etsi, shmera, syzhthsame ta qemata Paideias. Ayth h anafora pisteyw oti dinei apanthsh se ena piqano erwthma gia to poia einai ta qemata ekeina ta opoia h kybernhsh proballei ws idiaiterhs, neyralgikhs shmasias gia thn poiothta zwhs twn politwn ta epomena xronia.

Anaforika me ta qemata poy syzhthsame shmera, periorizomai na sas pw oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai na proxwrhsoyme stis prosarmoges kai beltiwseis poy einai aparaithtes, opws prokyptei apo thn empeiria poy exoyme apokthsei meta th didaktikh prajh toy teleytaioy sxolikoy etoys. Den miloyme gia opoiodhpote ``jhlwma'', anatroph h allagh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, opws orismenoi yposthrizoyn, alla miloyme gia efarmogh, ylopoihsh twn ekpaideytikwn metrwn poy apofasisame thn prohgoymenh periodo.

H politikh Paideias poy ejaggeilame thn periodo @97-2000 einai wra na oloklhrwqei oson afora thn ylopoihsh ths. Ekei katateinei kai h prospaqeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Oi oriakes allages, kyriws aytes, poy ginontai sto xwro toy Lykeioy kai aforoyn thn efarmogh ths politikhs ayths me sygkekrimena metra einai oi pio orates. H politikh ayth odhgei akribws sthn efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs kai oxi sthn anatroph ths. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Allwste, o xwros ths ekpaideyshs einai o xwros poy kat` ejoxhn prepei na syndeetai me tis ejelijeis, den prepei na menei pisw, einai xwros o opoios syndeetai me olo to fasma twn koinwnikwn kai epaggelmatikwn drasthriothtwn. O xwros ths ekpaideyshs afora to synolo twn politwn enos kratoys, afora oles tis oikogeneies mias xwras. H ekpaideysh einai o tomeas ekeinos poy prepei na syllambanei, na symbadizei kai na kaqorizei tis ejelijeis.

Katw apo ayth th skopia proseggizoyme ta problhmata sto xwro ths Paideias, giati h ekpaideysh, otan thn jepernoyn oi ejelijeis, apajiwnetai kai den mporei na paijei to rolo ths. Gia na ginei kalytera antilhpto oti h ekpaideysh afora to synolo twn politwn, qa prepei na sas pw oti sth xwra mas oi maqhtes se oles tis baqmides ths ekpaideyshs einai 1.800.000. An se ayto to megalo ariqmo maqhtwn prosteqei kai o ariqmos twn didaskontwn, antilambaneste oti to synolo twn Ellhnwn ephreazetai h exei endiaferonta ta opoia aptontai me to xwro ths Paideias.

Mia poly shmantikh tomh poy kaname gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish einai, akribws, h proseggish me isorropo tropo ths genikhs ekpaideyshs me thn texnikh kai epaggelmatikh ekpaideysh. Anagnwrizoyme oti sto xwro ths texnikhs kai epaggelmatikhs ekpaideyshs parathroyntai kapoies kaqysterhseis, alla pisteyoyme oti h tomh ayth poy egine einai aparaithth. Prepei na efarmostei ayth h politikh kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Hdh, 66 eidikothtes sto xwro ths texnikhs kai epaggelmatikhs ekpaideyshs dinoyn ``sarka kai osta'' sthn ejaggelia poy kaname gia thn anaptyjh ayths ths pleyras ths ekpaideyshs sthn patrida mas.

Ara, ena prwto mhnyma poy bgainei, oson afora th Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh, einai h prospaqeia poy kanoyme na dwsoyme idiaitero baros sthn texnikh kai epaggelmatikh ekpaideysh.

Oson afora thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh, leitoyrgei hdh mia sxetikh epitroph xwrotajikoy sxediasmoy Paideias, h opoia qa melethsei ta qemata kai qa proteinei sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias o,ti afora th dhmioyrgia newn panepisthmiakwn tmhmatwn. Parallhla, rixnoyme to baros mas gia th beltiwsh ths leitoyrgias twn yparxontwn tmhmatwn. Ayto, kata thn apoch mas, prepei na ginei. Na antimetwpisoyme, dhladh, ta yparxonta problhmata kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste.

Oson afora ta Programmata Spoydwn Epiloghs (PSE), meta kai th sxetikh apofash toy StE, exei dhmioyrghqei ena problhma. Gi` aytoys poy hdh symmetexoyn se ayta ta programmata qa oloklhrwqei kanonika o kyklos twn spoydwn toys. Epiqymoyme ta PSE na entaxqoyn sthn politikh ths dia bioy ekpaideyshs kai bebaiws ypo thn epopteia twn Panepisthmiwn.

Sto shmerino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egine idiaiterh anafora stis allages poy kai h E.E. apofasizei gia to xwro ths Ekpaideyshs. O xwros aytos, kat` ejoxhn, anhke sth sfaira ths legomenhs epikoyrikothtas. Omws, opws qa gnwrizete, meta thn apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Lissabonas, opoy ginetai idiaiterh mneia gia thn eisagwgh ths plhroforikhs sthn ekpaideysh kai thn ajiopoihsh twn newn texnologiwn, kataballetai, genikws, mia prospaqeia na kinhqei h politikh ths E.E. , oson afora kai to ekpaideytiko systhma, pros ena sygklinonta stoxo. Ayto kanei pio polles tis apaithseis poy prepei na exoyme apo to ekpaideytiko systhma ths xwras mas. Den yparxoyn diadikasies prostateytismoy. Den eimaste monoi mas. Qa prepei se ayto to eyrytato pedio, poy xarakthrizetai apo entono antagwnismo, na eimaste parontes. Ayto prepei na to laboyme ypoch mas. Epishmainetai, dhladh, oti h E.E. ston tomea ths ekpaideyshs apofasizei politikes poy exoyn koino xarakthra gia oles tis xwres ths.

H qesh mas @kai ayth einai h epishmansh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, kleinontas th synedriash- einai oti h prospaqeia poy kanei to Ypoyrgeio Paideias katateinei sto na kanei pio leitoyrgikes tis ryqmiseis poy exoyme apofasisei sto plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Na anabaqmisoyme, dhladh, peraiterw to Sxoleio. Proxwroyme, loipon, sthn efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs me tis oriakes prosarmoges kai beltiwseis kai oxi sthn anatroph ths. Allwste, h metarryqmish sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs, opws swsta eipwqhke, sxedon, apo oloys, einai organikh anagkh. Dioti, se ena periballon poy synexws kai taxytata metaballetai qa prepei kai h ekpaideysh na exei toys idioys ryqmoys.

Sto shmerino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio apofasisthke h plhrwsh mias kenhs qeshs antiproedroy sto Elegktiko Synedrio. Epilexqhke o k. Basilhs Xasapogiannh. Yparxei akomh mia qesh antiproedroy kenh, h opoia den plhrwqhke kai h kybernhsh ejetazei thn katarghsh ths.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate polles fores oti den milate gia ``jhlwma''. Apantate ston k. Arsenh poy milhse shmera se radiofwniko staqmo kai eipe oti me ola ayta, ta opoia kanei h kybernhsh ``jhlwnei'' thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den gnwrizw tis dhlwseis toy k. Arsenh giati symmeteixa sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Gnwrizw, omws, th qesh toy k. Arsenh, opws thn exei diatypwsei se allh eykairia. O k. Arsenhs syzhta me ton ypoyrgo Paideias kai exoyn symfwnhsei sto oti to pneyma, o pyrhnas ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs paramenei ws exei. Ayth einai h politikh poy exei apofasisei allwste h kybernhsh kai h politikh ayth den allazei. Apo kei kai pera, omws, pantote legame oti h idia h didaktikh prajh einai ayth, h opoia mas odhgei se prosarmoges kai beltiwseis poy prepei na kanoyme, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme sygkekrimenh ypostash sthn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, h opoia efarmozetai. H wra ths efarmoghs hrqe kai lambanoyme ola ekeina ta metra, wste na apodwsei ta megista.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Arsenhs leei oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish poy eixe apofasisei h kybernhsh kai jekinhse aytos thn ylopoihsh ths, allazei twra, ``jhlwnetai''.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ti eipe o k. Arsenhs. Sas lew oti den prokeitai peri aytoy. Einai mia lejh poy xrhsimopoihqhke apo ta MME. Polloi qewrhsan skopimo kata thn omilia toys sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na milhsoyn gia thn anagkh efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs me aytes tis prosarmoges kai beltiwseis, poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me otidhpote synista anatroph, jhlwma h allagh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy apofasisame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti sxolio exete na kanete gi tis dhlwseis kai ayta poy egrace sto biblio o boyleyths Karim Karim;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto qa apasxolhsei to Koinoboylio kai qa doqei h deoysa apanthsh apo thn kybernhsh, afoy melethqoyn ola ta stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton Prwqypoyrgo, epeidh einai kai Proedros toy PASOK, den ton apasxolei to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi armodioi gia to qema ayto qa laboyn to logo kai qa dwsoyn apanthseis -afoy melethsoyn ola ta stoixeia ta opoia synqetoyn ayto to qema- gia to pws akribws exei to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos den qa asxolhqei giati einai kai qema Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Yparxei erwthsh poy exei katateqei apo synadelfoys boyleytes. H erwthsh ayth qa antimetwpistei dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy. Apo kei kai pera, prin gnwrizoyme pws akribws exei to qema, mhn anamenete na diatypwsoyme th qesh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete to qema;

REPPAS: Eseis gnwrizete to qema apo ta dhmosieymata. Gnwrizete kati allo peran aytoy; Emeis qeloyme na ereynhsoyme pws akribws exei to qema, peran twn oswn dhmosieyontai kai nomizw oti ayto prepei na kanei kaqe ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Ws dhmosiografos mporeite na grafete to diko sas sxolio me ayto ton tropo. Emeis, ws kybernhsh, pairnoyme apofaseis kai diatypwnoyme qeseis poy aforoyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao.

GIAKOYMHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas, sxetika me shmerina dhmosieymata poy qeloyn ton Prwqypoyrgo na einai dysaresthmenos me ton k. Papandreoy gia th synanthsh toy me ton k. Xristodoylo.

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn synanthqhke me ton Arxiepiskopo kai syzhthsan sygkekrimeno qema, enocei ths episkechs toy k. Xristodoyloy sta Ierosolyma. Ayto to qema htan tetoias shmasias poy ajize ton kopo pragmatika na ginei ayth h synanthsh kai na syzhthqei. Htan qema eqnikhs shmasias. Kata ta alla, o k. Papandreoy ekane dhlwseis meta th synanthsh kai anaferqhke sta qemata poy apasxolhsan teleytaia thn koinh gnwmh kai eipe oti ayta ta qemata ta xeirizetai o armodios ypoyrgos. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth kai paramenei xwris na allazei. Den yparxei opoiadhpote allo qema. Kaqe ypoyrgos exei th dynatothta na anaptyssei prwtoboylies prokeimenoy na ferei se peras to ergo poy toy exei anateqei. Ayto ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

BIDALH: Milhsate gia dialogo poy einai se ejelijh. Ap oti emaqa, omws, twra h GSEE prin akoma arxisei o dialogos gia ta ergasiaka ton diekoce me to epixeirhma oti h kybernhsh den exei sygkekrimenes qeseis. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh me apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy exei diatypwsei me leptomereia kai safhneia tis qeseis ths epi twn sygkekrimenwn zhthmatwn ta opoia prepei na syzhthqoyn. Pisteyoyme oti h odos toy dialogoy einai ayth poy prepei na xrhsimopoihqei apo oloys. Etsi mono mporoyme na fqasoyme se ena apotelesma, to opoio qa einai wfelimo gia th xwra kai gia toys polites, idiaitera gia toys ergazomenoys kai kyriws gia ekeinoys poy briskontai ejw apo thn agora ergasias kai anazhtoyn mia qesh, prokeimenoy na ergastoyn kai na ejasfalisoyn ena eisodhma gia na exoyn mia ajiopreph diabiwsh. Qa prepei sto trapezi toy dialogoy na proselqoyn oloi, na parameinoyn se ayto kai na diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys. Kai mesa apo mia diadikasia synqeshs na fqasoyme stis kalyteres kata to dynaton apofaseis.

BIDALH: Qewreite, dhladh, oti den eystaqei to epixeirhma ths GSEE, oti den proserxetai se dialogo epeidh h kybernhsh den exei qeseis;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh gia oloys toys tomeis kai gia to sygkekrimeno exei qeseis, oi opoies einai plhreis, tekmhriwmenes. H kybernhsh einai ayth kai isws mono ayth poy exei paroysiasei toso tekmhriwmena tis apoceis ths epi twn sygkekrimenwn qematwn. Den einai tyxaio oti anaferomaste sta qemata, ta opoia apoteloyn proteraiothta sthn politikh mas gia thn epomenh 4etia. Kai metajy aytwn twn qematwn sygkatalegoyme kai to sxetiko me thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias.

MPEKAS: Syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to qema toy maqhmatos twn qrhskeytikwn;

REPPAS: Den egine opoiadhpote syzhthsh h anafora se tetoio qema.

MPEKAS: Jerete ean qa ginei maqhma me eidiko baros gia tis qeologikes sxoles;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti exei sygkrothqei epitroph, h opoia qa melethsei ta sxetika qemata kai qa eishghqei ston armodio ypoyrgo kai gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. O ypoyrgos Paideias exei anakoinwsei apo kairo oti stis 10 Septembrioy qa einai etoimos na aposafhnisei to topio, enocei ths neas sxolikhs xronias kai qa anaferqei se ola ta qemata kai sto sygkekrimeno, afoy en twn metajy labei ypoch toy thn eishghsh ths epitrophs, h opoia exei sygkrothqei kai leitoyrgei gi ayto.

KAPPOS: Mas perigracate ena xarth gia tis allages ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh gia enan allo tomea poy afora th syzhthsh ths kybernhshs kai toy ypoyrgoy Paideias me toys foreis ths ekpaideyshs; Giati ekeinoi isxyrizontai oti yparxei ena terastio keno kai den exei lhfqei h apoch ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas.

REPPAS: Eimaste ikanopoihmenoi giati pisteyoyme oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai oi sxetikes apofaseis poy exoyme labei kinoyntai sth swsth kateyqynsh. H efarmogh toys den exei oloklhrwqei. Asfalws, prepei na prospaqhsoyme, alla qa prepei na symbaloyn kai oi idioi oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas sthn idia kateyqynsh. Sas lew ena paradeigma poy anaferqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia na deite thn terastia prospaqeia poy ginetai kai pws syxna ayth h prospaqeia kakologeitai me tropo poy einai atyxhs kai blaptei kai thn idia thn eikona ths xwras mas: Sto akritiko Kastelorizo, sto Lykeio foitoyn eji maqhtes synolika. Treis maqhtes sthn A@ dyo maqhtes sth B@ kai enas maqhths sth G@ tajh. Aytoi oi maqhtes didaskontai ta maqhmata toys apo 11 kaqhghtes. Exoyn mia eidikh ekpaideytikh yposthrijh kai poly orqa. Allwste, opws epishs eipwqhke shmera, to ekpaideytiko systhma sth xwra mas einai isws to pio dhmokratiko -kai exei shmasia ayto poy lew- sto synolo twn xwrwn ths E.E. Egine to ejhs sxolio: Meta thn ejagwgh twn apotelesmatwn twn ejetasewn ths B@ Lykeioy, epeidh oi dyo maqhtes den eixan epityxia, h OLME me anakoinwsh ths -an qymamai kala- ypogrammise oti htan 100% apotyxia. O enas maqhths ths G@ Lykeioy petyxe. Dhladh, eixame 100% epityxia; Ara, antilambaneste pws den einai dynaton se mia toso eidikh periptwsh, opws einai to Kastelorizo, me ayta ta ariqmhtika dedomena maqhtwn kai kaqhghtwn, na briskoyme eykairies prokeimenoy na bgazoyme genika symperasmata. Den antapokrinontai sto meso oro ths pragmatikothtas ths ekpaideyshs ths patridas mas shmera. Ara, loipon, blepete pws ginetai prospaqeia na kakologhqei h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, pragma to opoio den adikei mono th metarryqmish. Adikei kai aytoys oi opoioi epixeiroyn ayth thn kritikh.

KAPPOS: Oi pinakes, omws, den einai mono apo to Kastelorizo, qa mporoysa na paraqesw kai alla stoixeia@

REPPAS: Ki egw exw para polla stoixeia poy einai sth diaqesh sas. Mporw na anaferqw se sxoleia twn legomenwn ypobaqmismenwn perioxwn poy oi maqhtes den eixan pragmatika shmantikh epityxia, alla kai se alla sxoleia ypobaqmismenwn perioxwn poy oi maqhtes eixan lamprh epityxia stis ejetaseis. Einai sth diaqesh sas ayta ta stoixeia kai qa prepei na ta melethsete gia na bgalete ena geniko symperasma. Giati, synhqws, apomonwnete kapoia stoixeia kai bgazete to symperasma, to opoio ejyphretei to skopo poy eseis qelete na prowqhsete.

KAPPOS: Thn OLME kai toys ekpaideytikoys foreis toys qelete mono gia thn efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs h gia koybenta kai gia syzhthsh;

REPPAS: Aytoys toys foreis, gnwrizete, oti toys qewroyme synergates mas, symmaxoys, ``sympolemistes'' sthn koinh prospaqeia poy kanoyme oloi gia na anabaqmisoyme thn Paideia mas, na dwsoyme th dynatothta sta paidia mas na exoyn perissotera kai kalytera efodia, prokeimenoy na antagwnistoyn ta paidia twn allwn xwrwn ths E.E. Kaqenas prepei na paijei to diko toy rolo. Oyte ekeinoi qa kybernhsoyn ton topo, oyte emeis qa didajoyme ta ellhnopoyla. Alla, bebaiws, yparxoyn roloi, oi opoioi einai diakritoi. Aytoi oi roloi einai sebastoi. Sto plaisio toy roloy toy o kaqenas mporei na symbalei sthn koinh kateyqynsh, ston idio skopo. H katarghsh ths epethridas, fer` eipein, poy einai ena apo ta stoixeia toy pyrhna ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, paramenei ws epilogh. H diadikasia ths ajiologhshs twn ekpaideytikwn dieyrynetai, kai malista me tropo poy ginetai pio synqetos. Kai ayto paramenei ws stoixeio ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs mas. O typos toy Eniaioy Lykeioy, kentriko stoixeio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, apotelei epilogh mas. Kai alla stoixeia mporw na anaferw, ta opoia apotelesan ton pyrhna ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy apofasisame. Ola ayta ta stoixeia paramenoyn analloiwta. Ara, loipon, mh qetoyme tetoia qemata, peri jhlwmatos, allagwn k.lp.

KAPPOS: Epimenei h kybernhsh kai sthn elleich ths deyterhs kai triths eykairias gia toys maqhtes ths B@ Lykeioy;

REPPAS: Exoyme diatypwsei th qesh mas. Gnwrizete oti yparxei eidikh ryqmish gi ayth thn periodo, alla h genikh qesh mas paramenei ayth poy gnwrizete.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: An katalaba kala oi ejelijeis trexoyn kai o qesmos ths Paideias prepei na tis akoloyqhsei. Kai eipate oti apo to 1997 mexri to 2000 shmeiwqhkan polles ejelijeis kai gi ayto h Paideia prepei na akoloyqei aytes tis ejelijeis. Oi ejelijeis, kat arxas, trejane kai gia tis ypoloipes eyrwpaikes xwres, alla den allaje to systhma ths Paideias. Edw sthn Ellada mono trexoyn oi ejelijeis kai to systhma paideias anagkazetai na allajei; Kai h opia allagh kai h opoia leitoyrgikothta ths metarryqmishs qa einai gia poso kairo;

REPPAS: Qewrhqhke krisimo, xrhsimo kai skopimo na proxwrhsoyme se oriakes allages ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, gia na antimetwpisoyme qemata poy exoyn lysei oi alles xwres ths Eyrwphs edw kai polla xronia. Epethrida den yparxei poyqena sthn Eyrwph. Den prepei, epiteloys na antimetwpisoyme ayto to qema kai sthn Ellada; Mas kathgoreite giati to kaname me kaqysterhsh; Na dexqoyme thn kathgoria. Sthrijte, omws, thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme. H politikh poy apofasisame gia thn ekpaideysh einai politikh poy pisteyoyme oti einai orqh. Den thn apofasisame shmera. Shmera proxwroyme, me tis apofaseis poy phrame, se leptomereies gia thn efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, opws thn apofasisame tote. Pisteyoyme oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish me thn oloklhrwsh ths efarmoghs ths qa dwsei kala apotelesmata, ta opoia qa ginoyn apo oloys apodekta.

KWNSTANTOPOYLOS: Shmera, o k. Ebert, meta th mhnythria anafora poy eixe kataqesei gia to Xrhmatisthrio, proshlqe ston eisaggelea kai kateqese stoixeia. H kybernhsh exei kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayta ta qemata exoyn syzhthqei sth Boylh, exoyn syzhthqei kai kata thn proeklogikh periodo. Exei analabei sxetikh prwto0boylia h N.D. na ta ferei sth Boylh kai pali. O arxhgos ths N.D. exei th dynatothta -to ekane malista xqes- na anaferetai se ayta ta qemata. Apo kei kai pera pisteyoyme oti den xreiazetai na empleketai h Dikaiosynh se diadikasies, oi opoies antimetwpizontai mono me politika mesa kai sto plaisio ths politikhs antiparaqeshs, me dialogo, me protaseis kai th lhch twn katallhlwn apofasewn. Nomizw oti mia tetoia prwtoboylia, h opoia den antimetwpizetai apolytws qetika kai apo th N.D. an krinoyme apo to pws sxoliasthke prohgoymenh prwtoboylia apo ton prwhn arxhgo ths N.D. einai mia prwtoboylia poy apoblepei sth dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, para stoxeyei sto na aposafhnisei pws akribws exei to qema. Aytos den einai o katallhlos tropos. Xreiazontai politikoi xeirismoi kai aytoi qa prepei na ginontai apo toys politikoys sto diko toys pedio. Kata ta alla, opws exoyme pei, apo thn wra poy anelabe qa kanei aperispasta to ergo ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios einai o logos poy h kybernhsh aron-aron allaje thn politikh ths, enanti ths eleyshs toy tews basilea sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Den exei allajei h politikh mas. Sas parakalw na mhn protrexete. Giati eida polla na grafontai me aformh to sxetiko prwtokollo h mnhmonio poy ypografthke me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Prepei na sas pw oti den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto. Mhn protrexete. Oi Olympiakoi Agwnes qa ginoyn to 2004. Sto prwtokollo ayto epanalambanetai o,ti isxyei kai efarmozetai enocei ths diorganwshs mias Olympiadas. O,ti egine mexri twra qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Pantws, mhn perimenete -kai den prepei na bgazete politika symperasmata- na epitrecoyme na dhmioyrghqoyn amfibolies, sygxyseis h paranohseis apo mia tetoia energeia. Epanalambanw mhn protrexete. Mh bgazete tetoia symperasmata, giati den prokeitai peri aytoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ti eggrafa qa ginei dektos;

REPPAS: Eidate, loipon, oti protrexete. Qelete na syzhthsoyme twra, an qa elqei, pws qa erqei, me ti eggrafa sthn Olympiada toy 2004. Sas lew, loipon, oti qa laboyme ola ta metra, wste na mh dhmioyrghqei to paramikro problhma. Na mh dhmioyrghqoyn sygxyseis, paranohseis, oi opoies qa dwsoyn labh se kapoioys na qewroyn oti yparxei politeiako zhthma sthn Ellada. Ola ayta exoyn kleisei me apofash toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai timoyme thn apofash toy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ki an zhthsei na episkefqei diafora merh ths Elladas kai na dei politikoys filoys toy, ti qa kanete;

REPPAS: Sas problhmatizei ti qa kanoyme to 2004; Prwta ap ola, gnwrizete poioi qa erqoyn tote edw; Pws eiste sigoyros oti oloi aytoi poy exete eseis sto myalo sas qa erqoyn;

GIAKOYMHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas sxetika me thn apofash toy arxhgoy ths N.D. na symfwnhsei me thn ejairesh toy maqhmatos twn qrhskeytikwn.

REPPAS: Qa elega oti einai ena qetiko stoixeio, to opoio epishmainw, sth stash ths N.D., sto qema ayto ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs, opws ekfrasthke apo ekproswpoys toy kommatos ths N.D. O armodios tomearxhs kai o ekproswpos Typoy ths N.D. exoyn kanei sxetikes dhlwseis, oi opoies qewroyme oti einai sth qetikh kateyqynsh. Kata ta alla, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti aytes oi stagones eyqynhs kai logikhs poy ekfrazontai apo ekproswpoys ths N.D, xanontai se enan wkeano aneyqynothtas, opws me thn omilia toy k. Karamanlh se xqesinh ekdhlwsh, poy den htan para ena anamashma twn oswn elege kai proeklogika. Profanws, o idios kai oi epiteleis ths httas ths N.D den exoyn antilhfqei oti exoyme mpei se mia nea periodo. Paramenoyn egklwbismenoi sthn prohgoymenh periodo. Den exoyn antilhfqei oti eginan ekloges kai htthqhkan, afoy o ellhnikos laos ekrine kai thn politikh toys kai th stash toys.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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