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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me kyrio qema syzhthshs thn politikh sto xwro ths Ygeias. Gnwrizete oti to 1983 dhmioyrghsame to ESY. H politikh poy akoloyqhsame, ola ayta ta xronia, prosefere shmantikes yphresies ygeias kai periqalchs ston plhqysmo ths xwras mas. Perifroyroyme ta kekthmena sto xwro ths Ygeias sthn yphresia twn politwn. H Ellada einai mia apo tis xwres ths E.E., opoy h paroxh yphresiwn Ygeias @se sygkritiko epipedo, ejetazontas ta pragmata- einai poly ikanopoihtikh.

Qa diafylajoyme to ESY, to opoio einai diko mas dhmioyrghma. Prepei, omws, twra na oloklhrwsoyme tis tomes poy, apo to 1983, eisagagame. Kai, epishs, na odhghsoyme to systhma ayto sthn poiotikh metejelijh toy, wste na antapokriqei stis nees anagkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai, epeidh exoyn allajei oi synqhkes.

Einai safes oti h politikh mas ston tomea ayto stoxeyei sthn ejyphrethsh toy polith kai prepei oles oi pleyres, toso h Politeia, h kybernhsh me thn politikh ths, me thn oikonomikh enisxysh poy prosferei, oso kai oi ergazomenoi olwn twn kladwn kai baqmidwn sto xwro ths Ygeias, na symbaloyme, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme ton koino ayto stoxo: thn paroxh kalyterwn yphresiwn ston polith.

H eishghsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy, apo kaqe apoch, htan plhrhs kai etyxe ths epidokimasias olwn twn synadelfwn.

Oi ajones stoys opoioys kineitai h tomh poy twra epixeiroyme einai, kata bash, oktw. Aforoyn oloys toys tomeis kai ola ta epipeda paroxhs yphresiwn Ygeias.

Oi leptomereies qa anaptyxqoyn apo ton armodio ypoyrgo poy dinei synenteyjh stoys synadelfoys sas. Periorizomai na anaferw se syntomia toys oktw aytoys ajones.

Ajonas prwtos: Problepetai h dhmioyrgia 18 Perifereiakwn Symboyliwn Ygeias (PESY), symfwna me th dioikhtikh diairesh ths xwras, ws N.P.D.D.. Apostolh toys qa einai o syntonismos, se perifereiako epipedo, ths politikhs Ygeias, etsi opws thn exei ekponhsei h kybernhsh, to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias.

Deyteros ajonas: H dhmioyrgia, gia prwth fora, enos eniaioy xrhmatodotikoy forea paroxhs yphresiwn Ygeias, toy eponomazomenoy ODIPY. H allagh ayth -mporei na pei kaneis- apotelei mia epanastash. Basikh arxh einai o diaxwrismos anamesa se ayton poy paragei tis yphresies ygeias kai se ayton poy tis exei anagkh kai tis agorazei.

Tritos ajonas: Dinetai megalh emfash sthn prwtobaqmia frontida ygeias. Xarakthristiko paradeigma ston ajona ayto apotelei h metejelijh toy qesmoy toy oikogeneiakoy giatroy me th dhmioyrgia toy qesmoy toy proswpikoy giatroy, poy apotelei employtismo toy qesmoy poy eixame dhmioyrghsei. Taytoxrona, dhmioyrgoyntai gia prwth fora astikoy typoy Kentra Ygeias. Giati, ews twra eixame Kentra Ygeias sthn ellhnikh perifereia, qa exoyme twra kai astikoy typoy Kentra Ygeias sta megala astika sygkrothmata, gia na mh synwqeitai o kosmos sta ejwterika iatreia twn megalwn nosokomeiwn, me o,ti ayto synepagetai.

Tetartos ajonas: Afora ta nosokomeia, ta opoia payoyn pleon na einai aytotelh nomika proswpa kai entassontai, ws monades -poy exoyn bebaia thn aytonomia toys- sto PESY poy anhkoyn. Ta nosokomeia apoktoyn sygkekrimenh taytothta kai tajinomoyntai se dyo basikes kathgories: ta Genika kai Eidika. Payoyn na isxyoyn oi ews twra gnwstes kathgories ( eqnika, perifereiaka, nomarxiaka k.tl.).

Pemptos ajonas: Afora to anqrwpino dynamiko. Diathreitai h ergasiakh sxesh ths plhroys kai apokleistikhs apasxolhshs. Dinetai h dynatothta stoys giatroys toy ESY, katw apo orismenes proypoqeseis, na parexoyn yphresies ygeias kai se idiwtikh bash. Pantote, omws, mesa sto nosokomeio poy yphretoyn. Oi neoeiserxomenoi giatroi sto ESY qa krinontai meta thn pareleysh pentaetias. Qa mporoyn na einai monimoi sto ESY, efoson exoyn prohghqei treis epityxeis kriseis, enw, shmera, kaqe giatros poy eiserxetai sto ESY apokta mia monimh qesh.

Meta thn pareleysh ths prwths kai ths deyterhs pentaetias, gia thn kalych ths sygkekrimenhs qeshs qa ginetai anoikth prokhryjh, anoiktos diagwnismos kai kaqe endiaferomenos qa mporei na proselqei gia na diekdikhsei th sygkekrimenh qesh.

Ektos ajonas: Afora thn eqnikh politikh Ygeias, me thn anabaqmish toy Kentrikoy Symboylioy Ygeias, thn idrysh Eqnikoy Institoytoy Ygeias, ws N.P.I.D.. Shmera den yparxei kati analogo.

Ebdomos ajonas: Afora th dhmosia ygeia kai thn politikh prolhchs. Basiko metro ston ajona ayto einai h dhmioyrgia toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Dhmosias Ygeias.

Ogdoos ajonas: Afora ayto to idio to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, to opoio anadiarqrwnetai kai metejelissetai se ena kaqara epiteliko organo.

Taytoxrona, sygkroteitai Swma Epiqewrhtwn sto xwro ths Ygeias kai ths Pronoias, kata to protypo allwn Swmatwn, me antistoixes armodiothtes.

Gia thn efarmogh twn metarryqmisewn aytwn, opws apofasise to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, arxizei dialogos me koinwnikoys kai episthmonikoys foreis, alla kai me ta kommata, apo tis 20 Aygoystoy ews to telos Septembrioy. Pisteyoyme oti qa einai oysiastikos kai gonimos o dialogos aytos kai oti me thn pareleysh ejamhnoy qa eimaste etoimoi @aytos einai o programmatismos mas- na kataqesoyme to sxetiko nomosxedio, gia na chfistei kai na katastei nomos toy kratoys.

Qelw na prosqesw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas eisagwgika, anaferqhke sto qema ayto, ypogrammizontas oti h metarryqmish toy ESY, mazi me thn katapolemhsh ths anergias kai thn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, apoteloyn tis megalyteres proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs mas, gia thn tetraetia poy exei jekinhsei.

Pisteyoyme oti o prosektikos sxediasmos kai h apofasistikh efarmogh twn apofasewn poy pairnoyme stoys tomeis aytoys, qa prosferoyn lyseis se problhmata poy paramenoyn alyta gia dekaeties, qa beltiwsoyn kai qa anabaqmisoyn thn koinwnikh prostasia sth xwra mas.

Qesh ths kybernhshs @opws thn aneptyje o prwqypoyrgos- einai h beltiwsh ths kaqhmerinothtas kai twn eykairiwn zwhs poy parexontai sta pio adynama strwmata ths koinwnias mas. Aytos einai o staqeros prosanatolismos mas.

Einai gnwsth se oloys h katastash twn yphresiwn Ygeias sth xwra mas. Apo polles pleyres kai gia logoys idioteleis @opws epeshmane o Prwqypoyrgos- kalliergeitai mia eikona dialyshs. H eikona ayth, omws, den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Adikei ypermetra oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi kanoyn entima, me eysyneidhsia kai synepeia th doyleia toys, sto plaisio toy ESY, antapokrinomenoi stis ypoxrewseis toys.

Asfalws, den paragnwrizoyme oti parathroyntai fainomena diafqoras, spatalhs, anorganwsias kai oti, se orismenes periptwseis, ta fainomena ayta exoyn ftasei se anhsyxhtiko epipedo.

Prospaqeia mas einai na ejasfalisoyme, gia oloys toys polites, ychloy epipedoy yphresies Ygeias, perifroyrwntas to ESY, poy egkaqidrysame prin apo 17 xronia, proxwrwntas sthn poiotikh metejelijh toy.

H xwra mas dapana polla xrhmata ston tomea ths Ygeias, symfwna me ta dieqnh krithria. Se sxesh, malista, me to parelqon, shmera dapanoyme poly perissotera.

Qeloyme enan ejorqologismo toy systhmatos organwshs kai leitoyrgias sto xwro ths Ygeias, prokeimenoy na ejoikonomhsoyme poroys, poy shmera spatalwntai, kai na toys ajiopoihsoyme, beltiwnontas tis parexomenes yphresies.

O Prwqypoyrgos, sthn eisagwgikh topoqethsh toy, ekane mia syntomh anafora se mia prosfath ejelijh -thn egkrish toy G@ KPS apo thn E.E., thn perasmenh Tetarth- poy dhmioyrgei nea dedomena.

Prokeitai gia ena synoliko programma, apo to opoio ejasfalizoyme poroys 17tris drx.. Pio sygkekrimena: ejasfalizoyme 15,1 tris drx. apo to G@ KPS, dyo tris drx. apo to b@ Tameio Synoxhs kai 400 dis drx. apo tis diafores koinotikes prwtoboylies. Kai, bebaiws, se ayta den perilambanontai ta posa poy qa doqoyn sto plaisio ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs, ta opoia anerxontai se arketa trisekatommyria drx.. Ginetai, loipon, profanes oti h anaptyjiakh wqhsh poy dinetai sth xwra mas, ta epomena xronia, qa einai poly shmantikh.

Sth synexeia synedriase to KYSEA kai asxolhqhke me to Eniaio Mesoproqesmo Ejoplistiko Programma (EMPAE) ths periodoy 2001-2005. Skopos gia ton opoio apofasizontai kai prowqoyntai ta programmata ayta einai, opws panta, h diafylajh ths eirhnhs sthn eyryterh perioxh, h proaspish ths edafikhs akeraiothtas, h perifroyrhsh ths eqnikhs anejarthsias, ths kyriarxias ths xwras kai ths asfaleias twn politwn, alla kai h paroysia ths Elladas se oles tis dieqneis prwtoboylies sta Balkania kai thn eyryterh perioxh, symfwna me osa problepoyn oi dieqneis synqhkes kai symbaseis, alla kai h dieqnhs praktikh.

Oi apofaseis poy phre shmera to KYSEA einai shmantikes. Prepei na pw oti h hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn eyxaristhse ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy gia thn gennaia xrhmatodothsh toy ejoplistikoy programmatos, to opoio kalyptei peripoy to 2,7% toy Akaqaristoy Eqnikoy Proiontos. Ethsiws, diaqetoyme analogika ta perissotera xrhmata, apo oles tis xwres ths E.E. Exoyme to ychlotero pososto (ws pososto toy AEP) gia dapanes se ejoplistika programmata. Einai, pragmatika, mia dapanh, thn opoia analambanei h kybernhsh kai o ellhnikos laos, epeidh akribws qeloyme na enisxysoyme thn apotreptikh ikanothta ths xwras mas enanti opoiasdhpote ejwterikhs apeilhs.

To ejoplistiko ayto programma einai gia ta eth 2001-2005, alla h apoplhrwmh toy qa oloklhrwqei se mia periodo 10etias, mexri to 2010. Exei ycos 3 trisekatommyria 960 disekatommyria draxmes. Apo ayta, poso 1 trisekatommyrioy 770 disekatommyriwn draxmwn qa katablhqei entos ths 1hs pentaetias, mexri to 2005 kai to ypoloipo poso (ta 2 trisekatommyria 220 disekatommyria draxmes) qa katablhqei kata thn periodo 2005-2010. Ayth thn 10etia, apo twra mexri to 2010, gia symbaseis poy exoyn ypografei palaiotera, gia apoplhrwmes gia to prohgoymeno ejoplistiko programma ths periodoy 1996-2000, gia thn promhqeia aeroplanwn MIRAZ, gia th symmetoxh mas sto programma paragwghs toy maxhtikoy aeroskafoys Eurofighter kai bebaiws, gia to neo ejoplistiko programma ths periodoy 2001-2005, qa dapanhsoyme synolika 9 trisekatommyria draxmes.

ANTYPAS: Apo to 2005 ews to 2010 qa yparxei neo EMPAE;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den mporei kaneis na to pei twra, giati apexoyme pente xronia. Twra jekinaei to deytero ejoplistiko programma 2001-2005. Twra pairnoyme tis apofaseis. Pisteyoyme oi politiko-stratiwtikes synqhkes poy qa exoyn dhmioyrghqei tote, na einai teleiws diaforetikes, wste oxi mono na elafrynqei h oikonomia mas, epeidh den qa xreiazetai ena analogo gigantiaio ejoplistiko programma, alla -epeidh sthn perioxh qa exoyn epikrathsei alles synqhkes- na mhn xreiazontai pleon, ejoplistika programmata. Einai poly aisiodojh ayth h problech, alla, en pash periptwsei, emeis sxediazoyme me bash to ejoplistiko programma ayths ths 5etias. Ta alla qemata qa ta antimetwpisoyme en kairw.

ANTYPAS: To 2,7% pws prokyptei;

REPPAS: Prokyptei akribws, ean ektimhqei to poso to opoio qa dapanhsoyme gia ejoplistika programmata, se ethsia bash. Giati ola ayta ta posa ta opoia kataballontai, me bash symfwnies poy exoyn ginei, exoyn katanemhqei etsi, wste ethsiws na kataballetai ena poso ekatontadwn disekatommyriwn draxmwn -poy den einai pantote to idio- pragma to opoio mporei na antejei h ellhnikh oikonomia. Ayto to poso, poy ethsiws kataballetai gia ta ejoplistika programmata, ektimatai oti fqanei to 2,7% toy AEP. Ean prosteqoyn kai oi leitoyrgikes dapanes, tote jepernoyme ethsiws to 5% toy AEP, pragma to opoio fernei thn Ellada, se mia apo tis treis ychloteres qeseis metajy olwn twn xwrwn toy NATO.

Epishs, shmera, apofasisthke h plhrwsh twn dyo kenwn qesewn Antiproedrwn toy Anaqewrhtikoy Dikasthrioy, toy Anwtatoy Dikasthrioy Stratiwtikhs Dikaiosynhs. Proagontai ws Antiproedroi A` kai B` antistoixws, oi kyrioi Gewrgios Kambyshs kai Kwnstantinos Qeodwrakopoylos.

Apo th Deytera arxizei h epistrofh twn dynamewn ths xwras mas apo thn perioxh twn Tiranwn. H Ellhnikh Dynamh Albanias, gia peripoy 2,5 xronia oso paremeine sta Tirana, prosefere para poly shmantiko ergo. Oloklhrwse thn apostolh ths, me bash to gegonos oti epiteyxqhkan oi skopoi poy odhghsan sthn ekei egkatastash toys. Shmera, proxwroyme sthn anaklhsh twn dynamenwn aytwn sthn Ellada, afoy ejeleipe o logos gia ton opoion egkatastaqhkan ekei. Gnwrizete oti egkatastaqhkan to 1997, otan jespase h krish sthn Albania kai diadramatisan shmantiko rolo sth diarkeia ths krishs sto geitoniko Kossyfopedio. H ellhnikh paroysia einai pantote eirhnikh, dhmioyrgikh, epoikodomhtikh. Den exei pleon logo paroysias ekei o ellhnikos stratos. Termatizetai, loipon, h paroysia ths ellhnikhs dynamhs ekei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Oles oi allages sto ESY, poso qa kostisoyn;

REPPAS: Einai se ejelijh h ekponhsh texnikooikonomikhs meleths, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme to ycos twn dapanwn poy prepei na ginoyn, alla kai pws ejeidikeyetai h dapanh ayth, kata tomea. Exoyme thn oikonomikh yposthrijh apo ta programmata toy Koinotikoy Plaisioy poy jepernoyn ta 300 disekatommyria draxmes. Pantws, h meleth ayth otan oloklhrwqei qa mas dwsei th dynatothta na exoyme pio kaqarh eikona. Oi dapanes einai apolytws entos twn antoxwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Den dhmioyrgeitai kanenas kindynos gia opoiadhpote anisorropia sta dhmosionomika megeqh.

MIXAHL: Katalabainw th logikh prwta na ejaggellontai ta metra kai meta na ``ypoxrewnetai'' h xrhmatodothsh toys. Omws, den mporei na mhn exete kanei mia meleth, pws metatopisthkan aytes oi allages;

REPPAS: Asfalws, yphrje synergasia me to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se ayto to plaisio. Ayto einai aytonohto. Den prepei na to rwtate. Apo kei kai pera, omws, gia thn ejeidikeysh aytwn twn metrwn, den einai dynaton ayth thn wra, na problefqei poio kostos synepagontai, doqentos oti anamenetai kai ejoikonomhsh shmantikwn xrhmatikwn poswn me thn efarmogh aytwn twn metrwn metarryqmishs.

MOYRTZHS: Otan lete ``proswpikos giatros'' qa dinetai h dynatothta ston polith na epilegei to giatro toy;

REPPAS: Ayto mporei na ginei sta megala astika kentra, opoy yparxei plhqwra iatrwn. Stis perifereies ta pragmata einai diaforetika. Einai etsi, opws akribws to lete.

MOYRTZHS: Ean enas giatros kanei swsta th doyleia toy kai apeyqynontai polloi polites se ayton. Qa toy dinete kapoio bonus, se sxesh me toys alloys poy den exoyn doyleia;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti problepetai me kaqe leptomereia poio qa einai to kaqestws, entos toy opoioy, qa ergazetai o ``proswpikos giatros''.

KARGOYDH: Eipate oti apo to 2000 ews to 2005, qa xreiastei 1 tris 770 dis draxmes. Mhpws mporoyme na kanoyme mia katanomh aytwn twn kondyliwn;

REPPAS: Exei apofasistei kata oplo, alla den einai toy parontos, den yparxei logos na mpoyme se leptomereies.

FOYRLHS: Ta jhmerwmata emfanisthkan kapoia ``mploka'' sth Rafhna. H Kybernhsh ti protiqetai na kanei gi ayto telika; Qa epixeirhsei na krathsei anoikto to dromo gia thn prospelash twn politwn sto limani;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti armodios eisaggelikos leitoyrgos exei epilhfqei toy qematos. Einai adianohto se mia periodo aixmhs, topikoi foreis na analambanoyn tetoies prwtoboylies empodizontas th diakinhsh politwn. H askhsh armodiothtwn kat` ayto ton tropo, antilambaneste pws einai apolytws kataxrhstikh, giati empodizei alloys polites kata thn askhsh twn dikwn toys dikaiwmatwn. Den prokeitai h kybernhsh na parei opoiadhpote metra, ta opoia na exoyn xarakthra aytarxiko, kati to opoio para polloi qa ecegan me megalh eykolia. Den qa meinei, omws, apaqhs. Anamenei pantws to pws akribws oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi qa antimetwpisoyn to qema. Pisteyoyme oti h dieleysh twn politwn, prepei na parameinei adiataraxth, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, kata thn opoia polloi sympolites mas xrhsimopoioyn mesa metaforas se ekeinh thn perioxh, gia na fqasoyn stoys proorismoys twn diakopwn toys.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti ennoei o ypoyrgos Paideias otan leei gia to qema twn metejetastewn ths B` Lykeioy, oti den apasxolei pagia ryqmish to ypoyrgeio Paideias.

REPPAS: To ypoyrgeio Paideias ejetazei to endexomeno kai mono ayto, na proxwrhsei se mia kata periptwsh eynoikh antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos, gia twra, apaj. Den prokeitai na dhmioyrghsoyme ena allo monimo kaqestws, epanerxomenoi sto qesmo twn epanejetastewn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Pote na perimenoyme thn apofash;

REPPAS: Qa to apofasisei o armodios ypoyrgos, tis epomenes hmeres.

ANTYPAS: Ean exei ypologistei, ean ekane kapoia enhmerwsh o ypoyrgos Ygeias sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia thn ektash ths diafqoras kai ths kataspatalhshs porwn sta opoia anaferqhkate. Kai ean qa ginoyn diwjeis apenanti stoys anqrwpoys, oi opoioi eyqynontai gi aytes tis prajeis;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poio einai to peiqarxiko systhma, to opoio isxyei, shmera. Prepei na poyme oti, se para polles periptwseis, den epiballontai poines, den timwroyntai polloi, oi opoioi fainetai oti exoyn eyqynes. Nomizw oti h allagh poy proteinoyme, h opoia afora th dhmioyrgia peiqarxikwn symboyliwn se epipedo perifereias, kat` antistoixia toy perifereiakoy symboylioy ygeias, qa symbalei wste na antimetwpisoyme tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Giati shmera to Peiqarxiko Symboylio poy leitoyrgei entos toy nosokomeioy poy diaprattetai mia ajiopoinh prajh, logw twn proswpikwn sxesewn poy anaptyssontai pairnei apofaseis epieikeis, gia na mhn pw oti einai apolyta xaristiko. Oi ryqmiseis aytes -an tis melethsete stis leptomereies toys, gia na exete ena plhres symperasma- bohqoyn pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den egine, omws, anafora sto kostos, to opoio prokyptei apo fainomena kakodioikhshs kai diafqoras sto xwro ths ygeias.

ANTYPAS: Politikes eyqynes apodoqhkan;

REPPAS: Tetoia fainomena aforoyn sygkekrimenoys ypallhloys, leitoyrgoys, stelexh, ta opoia prepei na elegxqoyn se proswpiko epipedo. Ta peiqarxika symboylia h ta organa ta opoia epilambanontai twn qematwn aytwn, prepei na epibaloyn poines. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs ayto. Alla, politikes eyqynes na apodoqoyn se poion;

ANTYPAS: Ston ekastote ypoyrgo Ygeias, twra ton k. Papadopoylo.

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Ygeias einai aytos o opoios, isa-isa, melethse poly kala ta problhmata poy mastizoyn to xwro ths ygeias. Ola ayta, ta opoia anaferontai kai sthn eishghsh poy ekane o k. Papadopoylos, apodidontas ``ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari'', sthrizontai kai sthn ergasia poy exoyn kanei, eite oi prokatoxoi toy, eite diafores omades poy exoyn melethsei ta qemata.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An exete kapoio sxolio gia thn paraithsh toy k. Koyniakh;

REPPAS: O k. Koyniakhs edw kai arketoys mhnes eixe zhthsei na apallagei twn kaqhkontwn toy. Epanhlqe sto qema ayto, zhthse na apallagei, ypebale thn paraithsh toy, h opoia egine apodekth. Prepei na sas pw oti syzhtwntas me ton armodio ypoyrgo, protaqhkan qeseis ston k. Koyniakh, o opoios, omws, arnhqhke na analabei alla kaqhkonta. Den hqele na parameinei se ayth th qesh kai den hqele na analabei kapoia allh qesh. H symbolh toy htan poly shmantikh se mia lepth fash anaptyjhs toy ellhnikoy Xrhmatisthrioy. Kai ayto prepei na toy to anagnwrisoyme.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Den syndeetai me tis kathgories ths N.D.;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. O k. Koyniakhs htan proedros toy Xrhmatisthrioy. O k. Koyniakhs den exei opoiadhpote, estw kai emmesh, emplokh me qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths DEKA. Kamia synarmodiothta, kamia synafeia.

Eyxaristw poly.

Kales Diakopes.

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