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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEJAKH: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia th mhnythria anafora toy k. Ebert sthn Eisaggelia toy Areioy Pagoy sxetika me th DEKA, thn etaireia kefalaiopoihshs sth Sofokleoys. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H DEKA idryqhke, exontas ayth th sygkekrimenh apostolh. Antapokrinetai sto skopo ths idryshs ths. Oi synallages poy exei kanei ews twra exoyn apodeixqei epwfeleis. Yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy. Allwste, ayta qa anaptyxqoyn kai sth Boylh, sto plaisio apanthshs se sxetikh erwthsh poy exei kataqesei boyleyths ths N.D.. Apo ta stoixeia ayta mporei kapoios na bgalei to symperasma oti se polles periptwseis h metapwlhsh exei ginei me mia ayjhmenh timh se pososto 30%, se sxesh me thn timh agoras enos titloy. H N.D. den exei aposafhnisei akomh thn politikh stash ths, ws komma ths antipoliteyshs. Epididetai systhmatika se mia skandalologia. Otan thn kaloyme na prosfygei sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, paraqetontas o,ti stoixeia exei sth diaqesh ths, apofeygei na to kanei, enw synexizei na skandalologei. Se alles periptwseis, opws sth sygkekrimenh, anaferetai sth Dikaiosynh h N.D. h stelexh ths gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Diogkwnoyn ena qema, xwris na parakoloyqoyn pws ejelissetai to qema ayto. Qa eixe endiaferon na gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos poses apo tis prwtoboylies poy anelabe h N.D. h stelexh ths kai prosefyge sth Dikaiosynh gia sygkekrimena qemata exoyn eydokimhsei kai poses apo tis prwtoboylies aytes odhghqhkan telika sto arxeio. Tetoioy eidoys kinhseis kalo einai na apofeygontai, giati dhmioyrgoyn ena dysmenes klima kai gia th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo. Ayto poy prepei na kanoyme oloi, einai na eimaste cyxraimoi, prosektikoi kai na mhn epididomaste se energeies, oi opoies epidiwkoyn th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn h kapoio mikrokommatiko ofelos, enw taytoxrona einai bebaio oti dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sthn Kefalaiagora.

ALEJAKH: O k. Ebert leei oti zhmiwqhke h etaireia 700 disekatommyria kai oti anagkasthke na parei daneio alla 237 dis me enexyro tis metoxes ths. Ayto to shmeio eystaqei; Ti akribws symbainei;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na anamenoyme thn krish twn dikastwn. Sas eipa oti h apanthsh qa doqei, sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy, meta thn erwthsh poy exei kataqesei boyleyths ths N.D.. Opws sas eipa ta stoixeia einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy, alla kalo einai gia tetoia qemata na eimaste pio prosektikoi.

MIXAHL: Meta th xqesinh kai en kenw xeiracia metajy toy k. Shmith kai toy k. Xristodoylo, poio ektimatai oti qa einai apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, toylaxiston, to epomeno bhma;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei kanei ola osa prepei na kanei. Symfwna me to nomo poy chfisthke to 1997, symfwna me to porisma ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, h kybernhsh proxwrhse sthn efarmogh enos metroy gia thn prostasia twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn. To qema ayto exei kleisei. H kybernhsh, opws kat` epanalhch exoyme tonisei, einai etoimh na syzhthsei me toys ekproswpoys ths Ierarxias qemata ta opoia, asfalws, exoyn endiaferon kai mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno mias tetoias syzhthshs, se ena dialogo poy qa ginei cyxraima, nhfalia, poy qa einai gonimos kai oysiastikos, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Alla, qa prepei kai h allh pleyra na epiqymei ena tetoio dialogo. Giati, dialogos me enan asfalws den yfistatai.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti o k. Xristodoylos, xqes, amesws meta th xeiracia dhlwse oti mporei na diafwnoyme me ton k. Shmith, alla den eimaste exqroi kai oti to qema einai na sympesoyn oi antilhceis mas, ektimate oti dhmioyrgei ena allo klima stis sxeseis Ekklhsias kai Politeias, gia na jeperastei, dhladh, to adiejodo;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na apofygoyme na kanoyme koytsompolio. Kaqenas leei ayta ta opoia ton ekfrazoyn, ayta ta opoia pisteyei oti prepei na pei. Emeis askoyme politikh me gnwmona to symferon twn politwn, sth bash twn armodiothtwn poy gia thn kybernhsh problepoyn to Syntagma kai oi nomoi toy kratoys. Qa prepei oloi na sebomaste to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Den mas afora poies epiloges qa kanei opoiosdhpote allos. Ayto poy mas afora einai oi epiloges aytes na einai synnomes. H Ekklhsia apo th dikh ths pleyra, perimenoyme na analabei mia sxetikh prwtoboylia kai na antidrasei me enan tetoio tropo, wste na eyodwqei h prospaqeia, poy ki emeis kanoyme, gia th dhmioyrgia enos plaisioy dialogoy metajy ths kybernhshs kai twn ekproswpwn ths Ierarxias. Pisteyoyme oti aytos o dialogos einai xrhsimos. Epiqymoyme enan tetoio dialogo poy mporei na arxisei amesws, arkei na antapokriqei h Ierarxia. Ews twra den to exei kanei.

KARGOYDH: Einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs to porisma poy dhmosieyei h efhmerida KAQHMERINH gia to Falkon kai pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, mporw na sas pw, oti ayth thn periodo, isws aytes tis hmeres, anamenetai to teliko porisma apo tis roymanikes arxes. Oson afora to dhmosieyma sto opoio anafereste prokeitai gia mia kataqesh, ena porisma eisaggelikwn empeirognwmonwn, oxi eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn. To lew ayto giati mporei na dhmioyrghqei sygxysh. Na lene, dhladh, kapoioi oti miloyme gia thn telikh qesh kapoiwn dikastikwn organwn. Miloyme, loipon, gia empeirognwmones, ton k. Tsolakh kai ton k. Fisser. Ayta einai stoixeia mias dikografias, h opoia exei ayto to antikeimeno. Prepei na anamenoyme to porisma twn roymanikwn arxwn gia na exoyme mia pio kaqarh eikona kai na bgaloyme ta telika symperasmata mas. Opws sas eipa, ayto pisteyw oti qa ginei poly syntoma.

BIDALH: Epibebaiwnete to shmerino dhmosieyma toy BHMATOS symfwna me to opoio h Toyrkia arneitai thn apobash ellhnikoy loxoy sto edafos ths, sto plaisio NATOikhs askhshs;

REPPAS: Liges hmeres prin, apo tis 19-21 Ioylioy, egine mia syskech sth Smyrnh, prokeimenoy na sxediastei stis leptomereies ths h askhsh @Destined Glory@ (prosdokwmenh doja) poy prokeitai na ginei toys epomenoys mhnes. Den teqhke opoiodhpote qema. Oi askhseis aytes ginontai pantote sto plaisio efarmoghs ths dieqnoys nomimothtas kai sth bash ths arxhs ths amoibaiothtas. Qa symmetasxoyn kai alles xwres, opws egine kai sthn prohgoymenh askhsh poy diejhxqh sthn Ellada. Kai, bebaiws, sth bash ayths ths arxhs ths amoibaiothtas oi ellhnikes enoples dynameis qa exoyn mia symmetoxh analogh me ayth twn toyrkikwn enoplwn dynamewn sthn askhsh poy diejhxqh se ellhniko xersaio xwro. Den tiqetai, loipon, opoiodhpote qema. Apo tis dikes mas yphresies h apanthsh poy dinetai einai ayth poy sas anefera prin kai odhgei sto symperasma oti h askhsh sthn Toyrkia qa ginei kai me th symmetoxh tmhmatwn toy ellhnikoy stratoy, me ton idio tropo poy qa symmetexoyn ta enopla tmhmata allwn xwrwn kai me ton analogo tropo poy symmeteixan ta toyrkika enopla tmhmata sthn askhsh poy diejhxqh sthn Ellada.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn katastash poy epikratei sto toyrkokypriako meros ths Kyproy kai sygkekrimena gia ta xqesina epeisodia. Kai ena deytero sxolio gia th dhlwsh toy k. Ntenktas oti h oikonomia mas exei piasei ``pato''.

REPPAS: Se ena paranomo kaqestws katoxhs, se ena kaqestws apolyths aneleyqerias, antilambaneste pws den yparxei oyte spiqamh gonimoy edafoys gia na anaptyxqoyn ygieis drasthriothtes. Kai ayto isxyei gia oloys toys tomeis. Kai ton oikonomiko kai eidikotera ton epixeirhmatiko tomea. Tetoioy eidoys problhmata htan epomeno na prokycoyn. Ayth einai h katalhjh mias politikhs poy akoloyqoyn oi dynameis katoxhs se ena kommati ths Kyproy. Htan anamenomeno, para th bohqeia kai thn yposthrijh poy prosferetai apo thn Toyrkia. Den einai dynato na milhsei kaneis gia ``kratos'', to opoio mporei na leitoyrghsei ws tetoio sthn katexomenh Kypro. Ola ayta ta fainomena den einai tipote allo, para ta symptwmata enos kaqestwtos, to opoio -gnwrizete poly kala- oti einai, apo thn arxh mexri to telos, ena paqologiko fainomeno, ena paqologiko morfwma. Einai ena kaqestws paranomo, ena kaqestws katoxhs, ena kaqestws aneleyqerias.

FILHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta apotelesmata sta lykeia, opoy symfwna me ta epishma stoixeia poy paroysiase, xqes, h OLME, to 42% twn maqhtwn toy Lykeioy, apo th stigmh poy efarmosthkan ta metra Arsenh, ``jepetaxqhke'' apo to Lykeio kai fetos peripoy to 20% twn maqhtwn ths B@ Lykeioy, egkataleipei kai ayto to Lykeio. Kai epishs, an protiqetai h kybernhsh kai fetos, opws ekane perysi, na epanaferei to qesmo twn ejetasewn toy Septembrh gia toys maqhtes ths B@ Lykeioy.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, prepei na poyme oti ta stoixeia ayta aforoyn orismenes perifereies ths xwras. Den aforoyn olh thn epikrateia. Ara, einai parakindyneymeno na bgalei kapoios ena teliko symperasma apo stoixeia, ta opoia aforoyn ena meros mono ths epikrateias. Deyteron, to sygkekrimeno pososto einai fetos beltiwmeno, se sxesh me ta persina apotelesmata. Triton, exoyme pei oti opoia problhmata prokyptoyn sth didaktikh prajh qa antimetwpistoyn me staqeres kai diarkeis beltiwseis, kata thn poreia efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Den tiqetai qema allaghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, se o,ti afora to pneyma kai to gramma ths. Oi beltiwseis, poy einai aparaithtes, qa ginoyn, prokeimenoy etsi -mesa apo thn empeiria poy apoktoyme, sto metajy, me thn efarmogh ths metarryqmishs, na beltiwsoyme, akomh perissotero, to ekpaideytiko systhma sth xwra mas. Aposafhnizw oti den tiqetai gia mas qema epanaforas toy qesmoy twn epanejetastewn maqhtwn.

FILHS: Amfisbhteite ta stoixeia, apo o,ti katalaba.

REPPAS: Den amfisbhtw ta stoixeia. Eipa se ti anaferontai. Den eipa oti den einai alhqina ta stoixeia.

FILHS: Ta stoixeia anaferontai se olh thn epikrateia.

REPPAS: Den anaferontai se olh thn epikrateia.

FILHS: Ayta poy sas diabasa, anaferontai se olh thn epikrateia. Kai lene oti 120.000 maqhtes mphkan sto Lykeio prin apo tria xronia kai apofoitoyn shmera peripoy 70.000. Dhladh, exoyme mia diarroh peripoy 50.000 maqhtwn. Ayto einai ena stoixeio pragmatiko h oxi;

REPPAS: Gia na proaxqei kapoios, gnwrizete oti prepei na sygkentrwsei ena meso oro, poy einai, ws baqmos proagwghs, katw apo thn kapote qewroymenh bash, to 10. Asfalws, to Geniko Lykeio prepei na einai ena sxoleio me kapoies apaithseis apo toys maqhtes. Kai prepei na sas pw oti einai epieikhs h bash h opoia exei teqei, prokeimenoy na proagontai oi maqhtes. Den einai dynato na pame katw apo ayto. Tote, pleon, oi ekpaideyomenoi den apoktoyn efodia gia na einai, pragmati, katartismenoi kai morfwmenoi. An to qema einai na perasoyn oi maqhtes apo ena sxoleio apla gia na dapanhsoyn to xrono toys, ypogrammizw oti, asfalws, den einai ayth h epilogh, to montelo ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy exoyme epilejei. An qeloyme maqhtes katartismenoys kai me efodia, to montelo toy Lykeioy, to opoio exei eisaxqei, pisteyw oti mporei na antapokriqei se ayth thn anagkh.

FILHS: Me ayto to montelo poy kaqierwsate, to 42% twn maqhtwn toy Lykeioy feygei apo to Lykeio, den to teleiwnei. Qelete to 42% h to montelo toy Lykeioy poy kaqierwsate;

REPPAS: Ta opoia problhmata -epanalambanw kai anagnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn problhmata- qa antimetwpistoyn sthn poreia efarmoghs ths metarryqmishs. Gia to qema ayto, to armodio ypoyrgeio qa ekdwsei analytiko deltio Typoy sto opoio qa periexontai ola ayta ta stoixeia. Fantazomai oti qa to anazhthsete. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na sas pw oti to Geniko Lykeio exei apaithseis. Prepei na einai ena sxoleio me apaithseis apo toys maqhtes. Qeloyme maqhtes oi opoioi qa exoyn mia katartish ikanopoihtikoy epipedoy. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa prepei na symballoyn kai to systhma kai to sxoleio kai oi ekpaideytikoi. Alla kai oi maqhtes, apo th dikh toys pleyra, na kataballoyn analogh prospaqeia. Pantote, me th symbolh olwn, petyxainoyme swsta apotelesmata.

FILHS: Sas rwthsa kati@

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa kai eipa oti den mporei na ftaiei h mia h h allh pleyra. Emeis qa proxwrhsoyme stis beltiwseis, opoy aytes einai anagkaies, alla kai oi maqhtes, apo thn pleyra toys, prepei na kataballoyn analogh prospaqeia. Ayto eipa. Den dexomai oti den ftaine kaqoloy oi maqhtes. Orismenoi maqhtes den prospaqoyn kaqoloy. Giati den to anagnwrizete ayto; Den prepei na eimaste dhmagwgikoi pros toys maqhtes.

FILHS: Pws ginetai, prin efarmostoyn ta metra Arsenh, na exoyme ennea kai deka tois ekato apotyxia kai twra na exoyme saranta; Einai tempelhdes oi Ellhnes maqhtes;

REPPAS: Oi Ellhnes maqhtes den einai tempelhdes. Sto synolo toys, qa elega, oti prospaqoyn. Yparxei, omws, kai mia merida maqhtwn poy den kataballei analogh prospaqeia. Oi apaithseis twn kairwn einai se ena ychlotero epipedo, sto opoio qa prepei na antapokriqoyn kai oi Ellhnes maqhtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To zhtoymeno einai ayto: Qa dwsoyn jana ejetaseis aytoi poy qa meinoyn sth B@ Lykeioy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, prin, kai hmoyn safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den tiqetai qema epanaforas. Alla lete oti ``ejetazoyme''. Ti ejetazete;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai qema epanaforas toy qesmoy twn epanejetastewn maqhtwn. Ayto to shmeio einai gia mas jekaqarismeno.

FILHS: Apo ta epishma stoixeia poy edwse, xqes, h OLME -kai htan apo olh thn Ellada- prokyptei oti stis geitonies poy einai katwterhs pneymatikhs tajhs oikogeneies kai tis apomakrysmenes eparxies, to pososto apotyxias einai dramatika ychlotero apo o,ti stis ypoloipes perioxes. Ayto, kata th gnwmh sas, einai stoixeio apotyxias h epityxias ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs;

REPPAS: Meletoyme ola ayta ta stoixeia, prokeimenoy na prosarmosoyme kai thn politikh mas kai na antimetwpisoyme tetoioy eidoys problhmata. H koinwnikh ptyxh ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs einai poly shmantikh. Ejisoy shmantikh me ayto to idio to analytiko programma twn spoydwn poy parexontai sth deyterobaqmia ekpaideysh.

FILHS: Pisteyete oti einai tempelhdes oi maqhtes ths eparxias;

REPPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Eipa oti den symbainei ayto gia to synolo twn maqhtwn. Apo ekei kai pera, sas parakalw na apofygoyme dhmagwgikes symperifores, symperifores laikismoy kai logoys poy, kaqe allo, para bohqoyn toys maqhtes na antimetwpizoyn ta problhmata sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Yparxoyn problhmata kai oi maqhtes prepei na dexontai na ta antimetwpizoyn.

FILHS: Oi tesseris stoys deka maqhtes, gia prwth fora sta xronika, kobontai apo to lykeio. Phgainoyn na ginoyn koinwniko periqwrio. Den yparxei tipote allo na kanoyn. Ayto einai dhmagwgia;

REPPAS: Kanete ena megalo laqos. An katorqwsoyn kai teleiwsoyn ena Lykeio, sto opoio oi prosferomenes spoydes einai apolytws ypobaqmismenes, exoyn ejasfalisei men to apolythrio Lykeioy, ti allo, omws, kata thn apoch sas, qa exoyn ejasfalisei; Oi maqhtes, otan apofoitoyn apo to Lykeio, qa prepei na exoyn spoydasei se ena sxoleio poy exei ena sxetika ychlo epipedo, prokeimenoy na exoyn analoga efodia gia na mporoyn na stadiodromhsoyn. Eseis emmenete se mia typolatreia. Ayto to opoio emeis leme einai oti qa prepei na doyme ta problhmata sthn oysia toys. Den exei shmasia an kapoios ejasfalizei ton a@ h b@ titlo. Shmasia exei, mesa apo to mhxanismo ths parexomenhs gnwshs, na fqasei se ena epipedo, wste na exei gnwseis kai efodia gia na mporesei na stadiodromhsei. Ayto einai poly shmantiko.

Sas eyxaristw.

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