Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-02-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete oti shmera o Prwqypoyrgos symmetexei sthn trimerh synanthsh poy ginetai stis Prespes. H omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa einai sth diaqesh sas. Oi synadelfoi sas parakoloyqoyn th dieqnh ayth synanthsh.

Apotelesma ths synanthshs ayths einai na dhmioyrghqei, se mia prostateyomenh diasynoriakh perioxh, to prwto se balkaniko epipedo parko, to ``prostateyomeno Parko Prespwn''. Einai enas ajiologos biotopos, o opoios me eidika programmata qa yposthrixqei me koinh frontida kai twn triwn xwrwn.

Thn Paraskeyh, opws sas exw pei, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me th symmetoxh ypoyrgwn kai yfypoyrgwn. Kyrio qema syzhthshs qa einai h toyristikh politikh ths kybernhshs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PETOYRH: Thn Paraskeyh, sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gnwrizete an qa probei se dhlwseis o Prwqypoyrgos; Dioti yparxei mia fhmologia oti endexetai na anakoinwsei, isws, kati sxetika me to qema twn eklogwn.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti qa proedreysei toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Den gnwrizw otidhpote allo. Oson afora to qema twn eklogwn, exw dwsei, kat epanalhch, apanthseis se sxetikes erwthseis. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela, se synexeia kai ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs, na dieykrinisete pote qa stamathsei ayto to kryftoyli, giati prokeitai pragmatika gia kryftoyli otan h epishmh enhmerwsh einai ayth thn opoia mas eipate twra kai anepishma -to gnwrizete kai eseis- synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kybernhtika stelexh, diarreoyn ta peri twn prowrwn eklogwn. Nomizw oti einai ena problhma, gia to opoio qa prepei na mas dwsete mia pio safh apanthsh.

Kai deyteron, na mas ejhghsete, epishs, pws o Proedros ths Dhmokratias odhghqhke, xqes, mexri thn aiqoysa twn politikwn syntaktwn, gia na probei se mia, tetoioy eidoys kai xarakthra, dhlwsh, h opoia -opws plhroforoymaste- enoxlhse kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Dhladh, to pragma exei jefygei, pleon, apo ta synhqh.

REPPAS: Oson afora ayth th syzhthsh peri epikeimenwn eklogwn, parakalw as mhn th synthrhsoyme, pleon. Exw dwsei, kat epanalhch, apanthseis. Opws fainetai den einai arketes. Den eyqynetai h kybernhsh h egw gi ayto. Den einai dynato na epibaloyme logokrisia h opoiasdhpote morfhs periorismo sth dhmosia syzhthsh thn opoia opoiosdhpote paragwn qelei na prokalesei h na synthrhsei. Den yfistatai qema allhs proseggishs gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. H proseggish einai mia: ayth poy exw, kat epanalhch, anakoinwsei. Sas einai gnwsth.

Oson afora, twra, ayta poy eipe o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, asfalws, den prokeitai na ta sxoliasw. Prepei na apeyqynqeite ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias h se ekproswpoys ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias. Ayto to opoio qelw na prosqesw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas einai toyto: Xqes to meshmeri, dexqhka sxetikh erwthsh kai hmoyn safhs, otan eipa oti ola ta sxetika qemata poy aforoyn kai thn eklogh kai thn orkwmosia toy Proedroy, qa ta antimetwpisei ayth h Boylh. Den yfistatai, dhladh, opoiodhpote qema, to opoio na sxetizetai me ekloges se mia orismenh hmeromhnia poy brisketai metajy ths hmeromhnias ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias kai ths hmeromhnias ths orkwmosias. Ayto htan safes, ara, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote peraiterw syzhthsh.

FILHS: Yparxei mia ereyna apo armodio idryma, sxetika me th sxesh twn maqhtwn me to sxoleio toys. Ekei oi maqhtes antimetwpizoyn me baremara kai me apostrofh, se megalo baqmo, to shmerino sxoleio. Dedomenoy oti ws kybernhsh eiste peripoy 16 xronia kai exete mia eyqynh gia thn katastash toy shmerinoy sxoleioy, qa qelame ena sxolio gia thn pragmatikothta ths apostashs twn maqhtwn apo to sxoleio.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, ayto kai mono apodeiknyei thn anagkh na proxwrhsoyme se tomes, se metarryqmiseis sto xwro ths Paideias, prokeimenoy to sxoleio na ginei kai pali o xwros ths maqhshs kai ths gnwshs gia ta paidia, alla kai enas xwros opoy ayth h ekpaideytikh diadikasia, h paroxh ths morfwshs, qa ginetai me tetoio eylhpto kai eyxaristo tropo, wste na qelgei kai toys maqhtes. Kata ta alla, mhn epixeireite na anakalycete thn pyritida, twra. Poly prin ginoyme kybernhsh, poly prin yparjw egw sthn politikh -kai milw gia ton eayto moy, alla fantazomai oti ekfrazw ayto poy niwqate kai polloi apo esas- kai sta dika mas xronia, to sxoleio den mas htan, pantote, toso eyxaristo. Den einai kati poy symbainei gia toys shmerinoys maqhtes. Einai enas xwros ton opoio oi maqhtes, se diafores istorikes h ekpaideytikes periodoys, ton antimetwpizoyn, oxi kai toso eyxarista. Ayto einai ena diaxroniko fainomeno. Qa epanalambana aplws oti xreiazetai na ginoyn oi allages sto sxoleio, prokeimenoy to sxoleio na ginei enas topos, opoy me eyxaristo tropo oi maqhtes qa morfwnontai, qa ekpaideyontai, gia na diekdikhsoyn me kalytera efodia, pleon, th qesh poy epiqymoyn sthn koinwnia.

FILHS: Kai aytos o tropos einai oi synexeis ejetaseis poy diwxnoyn toys maqhtes apo to sxoleio;

REPPAS: O kalyteros tropos, asfalws, den einai mono oi synexeis ejetaseis, alla o kalyteros tropos perilambanei kai ejetaseis, opoy mesa apo mia diadikasia amillas oi maqhtes qa diagwnizontai kai qa ejetazetai to epipedo twn gnwsewn poy exoyn apokomisei mesw ths ekpaideytikhs diadikasias. Pantoy yparxei ayto, se ola ta ekpaideytika systhmata, stis sygxrones xwres. Pisteyw oti h diagwnistikh diadikasia prepei na ginetai mesa sto sxoleio. Na mhn qewroyn oi maqhtes to sxoleio ws parergo kai etsi na afosiwnontai -qewrwntas oti ayto einai to kyrio ergo toys- sthn ylh poy didaskontai sta frontisthria h se mhxanismoys ejw apo th basikh ekpaideysh. Ola ayta ta qemata, h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish -kai einai mia proklhsh ayth- mporei kai prepei na ta antimetwpisei.

Polla mporei na pei kaneis. Otan exeis kaqhghtes oi opoioi diorizontai, me to systhma ths epethridas, meta apo 10-15 xronia sxedon koyrasmenoi h koresmenoi, den exoyn th diaqesh na didajoyn ta paidia, den exoyn th freskada poy exei o episthmonas o opoios einai ``freskos'', diorizetai kai askei ta kaqhkonta toy me diaqesh na prosferei. Ola ayta ta qemata exoyn th shmasia toys. Kaqena exei th dikh toy symbolh sthn allagh toy topioy sthn ekpaideysh.

FILHS: Anaferqhkate sta problhmata kai tis eyqynes twn kaqhghtwn kai twn maqhtwn.

REPPAS: Ena paradeigma anefera.

FILHS: H Politeia den exei eyqynes;

REPPAS: Asfalws exei eyqynes h Politeia kai krinetai gi ayto. Alla qa prepei@

FILHS: Dekaeji xronia kybernate!

REPPAS: Nai, me apofash toy ellhnikoy laoy. Opws oi maqhtes symmetexoyn se diaforoys diagwnismoys, etsi kai h kybernhsh metexei se ayto to diagwnismo poy legetai eklogikh anametrhsh. Kai fainetai oti h kybernhsh pernaei me ikanopoihtiko baqmo, kaqe fora, tis eklogikes anametrhseis gia na paramenei kybernhsh toy PASOK.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ayth h fhmologia peri prowrwn eklogwn, pisteyete oti ephreazei to Xrhmatisthrio; Kai an nai, sas enoxlei ws kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Exw pei oti, oso ligotero milame gia to Xrhmatisthrio emeis oi politikoi, toso perissotero perifroyroyme thn aytonomia toy kai to bohqame na leitoyrghsei, me bash toys ryqmoys kai toys kanones poy diepoyn th leitoyrgia twn Xrhmatisthriwn se olo ton kosmo. Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na askhsoyme ta kaqhkonta mas ws kybernhsh kai na antapokriqoyme stis epiqymies kai tis entoles toy ellhnikoy laoy. To Xrhmatisthrio exei th dikh toy aytonomh poreia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Ismahl Tzem, ws gnwston anamenetai sthn Ellada kai kapoioi ton anamenoyn me anoiktes agkales. Alla ekane sklhres dhlwseis se dieqnes Praktoreio Eidhsewn anaforika me to Kypriako. Eixe san dedomeno oti sthn Kypro yparxoyn dyo kratidia kai eipe oti lysh sto Kypriako qa doqei, efoson anagnwristei to ceydokratos toy Ntenktas. Dierwtwmai, pws einai dynato na synexizetai o diakoinotikos dialogos, otan yparxoyn aytes oi dhlwseis; Dierwtwmai, epishs, an o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy qa qesei ayta ta qemata ``epi taphtos'' kata thn edw paroysia toy k. Tzem. Dioti, den mporei, apo mia pleyra, na prospaqoyme gia lysh toy Kypriakoy, kai apo thn allh pleyra na yparxei ayth h adiallakth qesh ths Toyrkias!

REPPAS: H Ellada, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, thn teleytaia periodo, se oles tis synanthseis toy me jenoys paragontes, alla, bebaiws, kai sto plaisio syzhthsewn kai synanthsewn me Toyrkoys ajiwmatoyxoys, kat` epanalhch, exei qesei kai thn anagkh na antimetwpistei kai na lyqei, epiteloys, to kypriako problhma. Ayto einai safes. H qesh mas brisketai se plhrh armonia me to plaisio poy exei apofasisei o OHE. Ayto to plaisio prepei na sebastei kai h Toyrkia, h opoia einai kratos-melos toy OHE. Oi dhlwseis toy k. Tzem mporei na ginontai gia logoys oikonomias ths politikhs katastashs sthn Toyrkia, alla asfalws, oxi mono den prowqoyn thn prospaqeia poy kanei o dieqnhs paragontas gia thn epilysh toy kypriakoy qematos, alla -qa elega- thn yponomeyoyn kiolas. Den einai dynaton, omws, tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis na apotelesoyn empodio sthn prospaqeia poy prepei na kanoyme gia na lyqei to kypriako problhma. Pisteyoyme oti yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis -perissoteres apo kaqe allh fora- na fqasoyme konta se mia oristikh, biwsimh, dikaih kai leitoyrgikh lysh toy Kypriakoy. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh emeis symballoyme. Menei na apodeixqei oti to idio prattei kai h Toyrkia. Oi synomilies ginontai metajy ekproswpwn twn dyo pleyrwn, ypo thn aigida toy OHE. Pisteyoyme oti prwta ap` ola einai qetiko to gegonos oti synexizontai oi synomilies. Opws, epishs, qetiko einai to oti oi synomilies aytes qa paroyn -opws prepei na paroyn- opws einai h entolh toy OHE, oysiastiko periexomeno. Apo kei kai pera, o kaqenas analambanei tis eyqynes toy kai krinetai gia osa leei kai osa prattei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Lete, dhladh, oti sth synanthsh Tzem-Papandreoy, alla kai Prwqypoyrgoy, qa teqei to Kypriako;

REPPAS: To Kypriako einai chla sthn ``atzenta'' twn eqnikwn proteraiothtwn. Kai to gnwrizoyn oloi ayto.

FILHS: Anamenetai sthn Aqhna shmera o yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Tomas Pikerin. Qa hqela na rwthsw: to antikeimeno twn synomiliwn, kata th synanthsh toy me ton k. Xrysoxoidh, qa einai h epimaxh antitromokratikh symfwnia; Se poio shmeio brisketai ayth h ypoqesh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me th synergasia ston astynomiko tomea, yparxei se ejelijh syzhthsh metajy twn ekproswpwn twn dyo kybernhsewn. Ayth thn wra den exoyme katalhjei se ena keimeno, to opoio mporei na apotelesei th symfwnia gia thn antimetwpish qematwn se ayto ton tomea.

FILHS: Se poia qemata yparxei ekkremothta;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti gia ayta ta qemata, genikws, den exoyme fqasei se shmeio, wste na mporei na pei kaneis oti yparxei keimeno symfwnias to opoio anamenetai na ypografei.

FILHS: Giati, pro kairoy, otan eixate erwthqei, eixate pei oti htan qema xronoy, oti eixate fqasei konta, oti h symfwnia htan dedomenh.

REPPAS: Pantote einai qema xronoy. Yparxei h symfwnia kai h synennohsh gia th synergasia se ayton ton tomea, metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn. H synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn einai dedomenh. Den milw gi ayto. Milw gia th synach symfwnias h enos eidoys symfwnias, me th synypografh enos keimenoy. Ayto einai kati diaforetiko.

BITALHS: H ellhnikh pleyra, se ayth thn astynomikh synergasia, eixe ekfrasei toys problhmatismoys ths, eixe ypobalei mia seira enallaktikes protaseis. Mporeite na mas peite, poy brisketai to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta qa syzhthqoyn metajy twn armodiwn kybernhtikwn paragontwn poy qa synanthqoyn tis epomenes hmeres.

BITALHS: Pros poia kateyqynsh einai aytes oi enallaktikes protaseis;

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata apoteloyn antikeimeno oysiastikhs syzhthshs twn ekproswpwn twn dyo kybernhsewn. Den qa sxoliasw to periexomeno aytwn twn syzhthsewn, prin kan jekinhsoyn!

Sas eyxaristw.

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