Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Shmera apoxairethsame to Dhmhtrh kai se liges wres qa apoxairethsoyme th Nina. Shmera, qa ginoyn kai oi khdeies twn allwn dyo nekrwn. Ayrio, sth 1 to meshmeri, qa ginei h khdeia toy Giannoy kai toy Nikoy Kranidiwth. Apo tis 10 to prwi, ayrio, h soros toy Giannoy Kranidiwth ektiqetai se laiko proskynhma. Bebaiws, h teleth qa ginei symfwna me ta kaqierwmena se aytes tis periptwseis.

* O Prwqypoyrgos ayth thn wra exei synanthsh kai synergazetai me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy.

* Oson afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy mporw na sas enhmerwsw oti gia th Deytera (20/9), stis 6.30 to apogeyma exei sygkalesei synedriash ths diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, h opoia exei synedriasei polles fores thn teleytaia periodo, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy sxetizontai me ton prosfato seismo.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yphrxan dyo ekqeseis mia toy k. Tsolakh kai mia ths etaireias Entens, oi opoies miloysan gia to oti eprepe to FALCON na eixe paei gia episkeyh, gia synthrhsh. Malista, milane oti to Febroyario toy 1999 eprepe na eixe paei sthn NTASO gia thn episkeyh toy aytomatoy pilotoy. Giati, den eginan ayta;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola gnwrizete kala oti jekinhse diejagwgh ereynas. H ereyna ayth qa odhghsei se plhrh dialeykansh kai otidhpote exei sxesh me ayth thn ypoqesh qa bgei sto fws. H plhrhs dialeykansh einai ypoxrewsh mas. Oxi mono logw kaqhkontos, alla epiprosqetws einai kai ypoxrewsh sth mnhmh twn nekrwn. H ereyna qa ginei me th symmetoxh ajiopistoy dieqnws ergasthrioy, opws einai ayto ths Germanias sto opoio qa apostalei to "mayro koyti", prokeimenoy na apokwdikopoihqei, na anagnwstei kai to yliko na paradoqei stoys empeirognwmones oi opoioi qa to ajiologhsoyn kai qa ekdwsoyn to teliko porisma. Sthn ereyna ayth exei klhqei na labei meros, ypodeixqeis apo thn amerikanikh omospondia politikhs aeroporias, empeirognwmonas, me megalh empeiria kai gnwsh, prokeimenoy na exoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma, thn antikeimenikothta kai egkyrothta toy opoioy oydeis qa mporei na amfisbhthsei. Den einai tyxaio, fer` eipein, to oti den apeyqynqhkame se analoges yphresies h kentra sth Gallia, opoy edreyei h etaireia poy exei kataskeyasei to sygkekrimeno aeroskafos h sthn Agglia, afoy agglikh etaireia einai ayth poy diaxeirizetai thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Epeidh, akribws, qeloyme na dwsoyme ena jekaqaro mhnyma oti den yparxei dynamh h opoia mporei na parembei, na parempodisei, na anakocei h na ektrecei thn ereyna ayth apo to stoxo poy exoyme qesei: Plhrhs alhqeia. Plhrhs dialeykansh. Ola ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia exoyn elqei sto fws ths dhmosiothtas kai opoia alla yparxoyn sygkentrwnontai, prokeimenoy na synapartisoyn to fakelo toy aeroskafoys aytoy, o opoios qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Epiqymoyme ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia apotypwnoyn thn poreia aytoy toy aeroskafoys, tis episkeyes poy eginan, tis epishmanseis poy kata kairoys exoyn ginei apo episthmones, eidikoys ypallhloys na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta.

H ekqesh toy k. Tsolakh egine meta apo paraggelia toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. Kai h ekqesh ayth, thn opoia egw ayth thn wra -den moy epitrepetai allwste- den qa ajiologhsw, einai ena apo ta eggrafa ta opoia qa symperilambanontai se ayton to fakelo poy qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Einai atopo, thn wra poy kapoioi exoyn analabei na feroyn se peras ayto to poly dyskolo ergo, emeis na ekdwsoyme to diko mas porisma. Poly perissotero poy den eimaste eidikoi. Kai h ekqesh h allh sthn opoia anaferqhkate qa einai, epishs, ena stoixeio toy fakeloy, o opoios sygkroteitai kai qa doqei sth dhmosiothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie, Ypoyrge, egw den rwthsa ayto.

REPPAS: Rwthsate epi ths oysias -dexomenos ypo mian ennoia tis eishghseis toy sygkekrimenoy texnikoy- giati den eginan ayta ta opoia ypodeiknyei. Mh biazeste, giati apo to fakelo poy qa exete sth diaqesh sas qa prokyptoyn oles oi energeies, oi opoies eginan, prokeimenoy to aeroskafos ayto na einai katallhla proetoimasmeno, na exei ajiopisth ploimothta kai na xrhsimopoieitai xwris kindyno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai h ekqesh ths etaireias, sas eipa, elege peripoy ta idia.

REPPAS: Apanthsa kai gi` ayto. Mh syzhthsoyme epi ths oysias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtaw esas giati, pleon, thn armodiothta ths synthrhshs toy aeroskafoys aytoy -"feretro aeroskafos" mporw na to pw- thn eixe analabei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai sygkekrimena o Grammateas toy. Phrate thn eyqynh synthrhshs toy aeroskafoys aytoy me tropologia stis 8 Ioylioy 1999 apo thn politikh aeroporia kai thn phgate sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, to opoio qesate me thn prwth erwthsh sas, sas apanthsa. Qa anamenete, loipon, ola ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia eseis qa ajiologhsete me kalh pisth bebaiws. Antilambaneste pws den einai dynato na xrhsimopoieitai to aeroskafos ayto kai apo kybernhtikoys paragontes, me epignwsh oti diatrexoyn ena toso megalo kindyno. Kindyno gia thn idia th zwh toys. Epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, molis prosfata xrhsimopoihse to aeroskafos ayto. Tajidece sth Flwrina, prokeimenoy sth synexeia na metabei stis Prespes kai na labei meros stis gnwstes ekdhlwseis. Ligo prin eixe tajidecei apo thn Krhth sto Saragebo gia na labei meros sth Synodo Koryfhs. Kai alloi ypoyrgoi to exoyn xrhsimopoihsei. Otidhpote exei sxesh, loipon, me thn taytothta toy aeroskafoys, me thn poreia toy, qa doqei sth dhmosiothta me sygkekrimena eggrafa ta opoia einai sth diaqesh twn armodiwn yphresiwn.

Oson afora twra to qema poy qesate me th deyterh erwthsh sas, gia thn armodiothta poy exei o Grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, prepei na eimaste safeis: To aeroskafos ayto doqhke sthn Ellada, sto plaisio twn antistaqmistikwn wfelhmatwn poy paraxwrhqhkan kata thn agora maxhtikwn aeroskafwn apo jenh xwra, edw kai arketa xronia. To aeroskafos ayto xrhsimopoieitai, kata kyrio logo gia tis metakinhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy -bebaiws kai toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias- kai allwn kratikwn paragontwn, ypoyrgwn, otan meta apo diereynhsh ths agoras oi emporikes pthseis den prosferoyn thn aparaithth dieykolynsh gia na feroyn oi paragontes aytoi se peras to ergo toys. To aeroskafos ayto exei texnikh yposthrijh apo tis texnikes yphresies ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh h estw emmesh anameijh politikos paragontas, oson afora thn paroxh texnikhs yposthrijhs se ayto to aeroskafos, prokeimenoy na katastei katallhlo kai na xrhsimopoieitai se pthseis apo kratikoys kai kybernhtikoys paragontes. O k. Kosmidhs, ston opoion anafereste, apo to Fqinopwro toy 1997, me egkyklio toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei thn eyqynh gia thn paraxwrhsh adeiwn xrhsimopoihshs toy aeroskafoys kai monon ayto. Den exei opoiadhpote symmetoxh se texnika qemata h se leitoyrgies poy aforoyn th synthrhsh h thn proetoimasia toy aeroskafoys gia mia pthsh. En oligois, o k. Kosmidhs ayth kai monon ayth thn armodiothta eixe kai exei. Ejetazei kaqe fora to aithma poy ypoballei o endiaferomenos paragontas, ypoyrgos h allos. Ereyna an yparxei dynatothta h oxi to sygkekrimeno tajidi na diejaxqei me allo tropo. Ereyna an einai polloi oi endiaferomenoi na xrhsimopoihsoyn to aeroskafos ayto thn idia xronikh periodo kai dinei th dynatothta, metajy aytwn poy exoyn ypobalei to sxetiko aithma h na mh xrhsimopoihqei h kapoios na to xrhsimopoihsei ej oswn to exoyn zhthsei.

Epishs, h diatajh sthn opoia anafereste den einai tipota allo, para h taktopoihsh qematwn poy eixan parameinei gia poly kairo se ekkremothta, sxetika me th xrhsimopoihsh toys aeroskafoys aytoy. Tetoia qemata, fer` eipein, htan kai oi oikonomikes ekkremothtes poy eixan dhmioyrghqei apo to ellhniko Dhmosio enanti ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Ejoflhqhkan ta xreh poy yphrxan pros thn Olympiakh Aeroporia mexri to 1998. Giati, prepei na poyme oti gia mia sxetika megalh periodo, to ellhniko Dhmosio den eixe deijei thn analogh synepeia, prokeimenoy na ekplhrwsei tis oikonomikes ypoxrewseis toy apenanti sthn Olympiakh Aeroporia, afoy xrhsimopoioyse ayto to aeroskafos. Tetoioy eidoys qemata ryqmisthkan. Kamia, ma kamia sxesh den eixe kai den exei o k. Kosmidhs se qemata poy aforoyn thn texnikh yposthrijh kai proetoimasia aytoy toy aeroskafoys. Adikei ton k. Kosmidh h antilhch gia to antiqeto. Den prepei na yparxei ayth h paranohsh, poly perissotero aytes tis hmeres poy ginontai polles syzhthseis gi` ayto to qema. Antilambaneste pws oloi qa prepei na eimaste sygkrathmenoi, giati to qema to opoio antimetwpizetai, sto plaisio twn ereynwn, den einai synhqismeno. Einai ena ejairetiko symban kai xreiazetai, pera apo thn kaqierwmenh eyqynh kai eysyneidhsia -poy einai panta epibeblhmenh kai prepei na epideiknyetai- kai enan ayjhmeno baqmo sebasmoy pros th mnhmh twn anqrwpwn poy xaqhkan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h tropologia einai sygkekrimenh kai leei oti analambanei o Grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, stis armodiothtes toy einai kai h synthrhsh. Dhladh, meta ekxwrhse thn eyqynh ayth kapoy alloy; Einai nomoqethmeno apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei me alla logia oti to aeroskafos den mporei na xrhsimopoieitai an den exei thn egkrish twn texnikwn yphresiwn poy exoyn analabei thn texnikh yposthrijh toy. Giati, bebaiws, den nomizw na antilambaneste eseis kai den mporei na ermhneyete mia tetoia diatajh ws ypoxrewsh toy Genikoy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na dhmioyrghsei texnikh yphresia, prokeimenoy na parakoloyqei kai na synthrei ayto to aeroskafos. Kaqe allo. Yparxoyn texnikes yphresies ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias kai aparaithto, metajy twn allwn, htan oi texnikes aytes yphresies na dinoyn thn adeia toys, prokeimenoy sth synexeia na qewreitai ayto to aeroskafos etoimo pros xrhsh apo opoion endiaferomeno, o opoios, bebaiws, gia na to xrhsimopoihsei telikws qa eprepe na exei ejasfalisei kai thn adeia. Ayto htan to nohma ths egkyklioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Kosmidh, gia na jeperasoyme ena kaqestws prohgoymenwn etwn, opoy polloi zhtoysan na xrhsimopoihsoyn to FALCON. Eixe dhmioyrghqei mia atajia, fainomena sygxyshs. Thn idia periodo, akomh kai thn idia hmera eixan kapoioi anagkh na xrhsimopoihsoyn to FALCON kai to zhtoysan, to diekdikoysan. H ryqmish ths diadikasias xrhshs toy FALCON htan to kaqhkon poy anelabe o k. Kosmidhs. Ayto kai tipota allo. Ayto prepei na einai safes gia na mh dhmioyrgeitai h opoiadhpote paranohsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tis ekqeseis aytes poy sas eipa prohgoymenws kai ta ypomnhmata ta gnwrize o k. Mantelhs. Paramenei akomh ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs; Exei paraithqei;

REPPAS: O k. Mantelhs paramenei ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, opws melh ths kybernhshs paramenoyn ayta poy gnwrizete kai askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Den einai dynato na qewreite oti eyqynontai an parathreitai kapoio problhma ston tomea ths armodiothtas toys, otan yparxoyn ejeidikeymenes yphresies poy einai poly sygkekrimenes kai epifortismenes me kaqhkonta, opws ayta poy aforoyn thn texnikh yphresia ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias, thn texnikh bash poy prosferei thn texnikh sthrijh sto sygkekrimeno aeroskafos. Apo th stigmh poy oi eidikoi poy exoyn epifortistei me ayton to rolo, qewroyn oti to aeroskafos to opoio elegjan, to proparaskeyasan gia pthsh, einai etoimo na xrhsimopoihqei, antilambaneste oti den mporei na zhtate eyqynes alloy. Alla, epeidh ginetai pollh syzhthsh gia eyqynes, nomizw oti twra poy eimaste oloi pio cyxraimoi meta th fortish twn prwtwn wrwn, kalo einai na afhsoyme to ergo twn eidikwn na oloklhrwqei. O xronos poy qa exoyn sth diaqesh toys einai aytos poy ekeinoi qewroyn oti einai xrhsimos gia na oloklhrwsoyn to ergo toys me plhrothta. Otan qa exoyme to porisma toys mporoyme na syzhtoyme ep` aytoy. Alla, prin ekdoqei ena tetoio porisma einai parakindyneymeno na syzhtoyme, poly perissotero na eimaste kathgorhmatikoi stis topoqethseis mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo toy Majimoy dioxeteyotan, xqes to brady, oti ypeyqynh einai h Olympiakh. Oi eyqynes einai ths Olympiakhs.

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta qa antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio twn ereynwn. Otan oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes qa exoyme safh eikona gia to ti akribws exei symbei.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exoyme kapoia orath hmeromhnia gia to pote qa topoqethqei ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths, sth qesh toy Giannoy Kranidiwth;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws ayto einai qema, to opoio afora ton Prwqypoyrgo kai qa to antimetwpisei tis epomenes hmeres kai pantws, meta thn tafh toy Giannoy Kranidiwth. Opoiadhpote syzhthsh kalo einai na apofeygetai aytes tis wres, enw h soros akomh den exei ekteqei se laiko proskynhma, den exei tafei. Qa elega oti tetoies syzhthseis apoteloyn asebeia. Einai qema poy qa antimetwpistei thn epomenh ebdomada.

SABBA: Hqela na epanelqw sto qema ths tropologias...

REPPAS: Anaferqhka kai se alla shmeia, opws h ananewsh ths symbashs, prokeimenoy na exei th diaxeirish toy aeroskafoys h O. A. Den mpainw se leptomereies. Gnwrizw ayto sto opoio anafereste, opws ki eseis to gnwrizete kai kanete aytes tis erwthseis.

SABBA:... kai na rwthsw an einai logiko ena tetoio aeroskafos na mporei na synthreitai apo idiwtikes etairies gia na einai pantote se etoimothta. Aytos, allwste, htan kai o stoxos ths tropologias. Apo tis 8 Ioylioy ews shmera exei ginei synthrhsh s` ayto to aeroplano; Epishs, briskw atoph th symperifora orismenwn. Anaferqhke kai stis efhmerides, oti ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs mphke se grafeio stelexoys ths O. A. fwnazontas ton "dolofone". Einai symperifora ypoyrgoy ayth;

REPPAS: Diafora exoyn grafei. Eipa prin oti -meta tis prwtes wres, poy h fortish, h sygkinhsh mas kanei polles fores na ekfrazomaste me tropo diaforetiko apo ayton poy qa epilegame na ekfrastoyme, se mia allh stigmh- prepei ayta ta qemata na ta antimetwpizoyme cyxraima. Den gnwrizw ean alhqeyei ayto to peristatiko. Den nomizw oti o dialogos egine etsi opws apodidetai. Mporw na pw oti yphrje ayth h epikoinwnia kai, bebaiws, meta apo aytes tis tragikes synepeies, antilambaneste pws den einai synhqismenoi oi tonoi. Alla, asfalws, oydeis protrexei na apodwsei eyqynes me toso sygkekrimeno, ejatomikeymeno tropo. Oyte o ypoyrgos Metaforwn to ekane ayto. Prepei na eimai safhs. Alla, bebaiws, oi syzhthseis me diaforoys paragontes poy exoyn amesh h emmesh sxesh me ayto to symban, ginontai -ypo thn piesh twn synaisqhmatwn poy epikratoyn, ypo thn piesh toy xronoy- gia na mpoyn ta pragmata se mia poreia kai ayto odhgei oloys mas na exoyme mia ekrhktikh ekfrash.

Oson afora twra th synthrhsh toy aeroskafoys, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, asfalws, ergo twn texnikwn yphresiwn einai na synthroyn ta aeroskafh, ta opoia exoyn analabei na parakoloyqoyn gi ayto to skopo. Opoiadhpote pthsh egine afoy eixe ejasfalistei h egkrish, h adeia twn armodiwn texnikwn. Etsi, petaje o Prwqypoyrgos, sto telos Aygoystoy, etsi egine kai h moiraia pthsh. Den yparxei pthsh poy na egine xwris na exei prohghqei aytos o elegxos kai xwris na exei doqei ayth h texnikh adeia. Alla, gi ayta ta qemata mporoyme, epishs, na qesoyme sth diaqesh sas enan katalogo, gia to pws xrhsimopoihqhke, thn teleytaia periodo, ayto to aeroskafos, apo poioys kai gia poio skopo. Qa elega syndeontas thn apanthsh poy dinw se esas me thn apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws se synadelfo sas, oti ola ayta ta stoixeia mporei na einai sth diaqesh sas apo ton idio ton k. Kosmidh. Qa sas kalesw, an qelete, na apeyqynqeite, amesws meta th syzhthsh mas, ston k. Kosmidh kai na exete se fwtotypia ola ayta ta stoixeia poy qa einai xrhsima, gia na ta melethsete kai na bgalete kapoia prwta symperasmata. Otidhpote eggrafo yparxei, otidhpote stoixeio mporei na afora thn ypoqesh qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Peran toy fakeloy poy dhmioyrgeitai apo to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai o k. Kosmidhs, gi ayto to sygkekrimeno qema poy afora th dikh toy armodiothta, einai sth diaqesh sas, gia na sas paraxwrhsei amesws opoiodhpote stoixeio. Twra. To lew ayto me emfash.

PARIS: Pote anamenete na oloklhrwqei to porisma; Qelw enan xroniko orizonta. Kai deyteron, an ayto to aeroplano htan kainoyrgio h metaxeirismeno;

REPPAS: Prwton, den gnwrizw akribws thn katagwgh toy aeroskafoys kai thn taytothta toy me akraies leptomereies. Pisteyw -ej oswn exw plhroforhqei kai den mporw na eimai kathgorhmatikos se ayto- oti htan ena aeroplano poy eixe zwh poly ligwn etwn, prin paradoqei se mas. Ayto, omws -epanalambanw- einai kati to opoio lew me kaqe epifylajh. Deyteron, ayto poy exei endiaferon einai h ereyna na einai plhrhs kai na katalhjei se porismata, ta opoia qa einai adiamfisbhthta, epeidh akribws qa einai apolytws tekmhriwmena. Epiqymoyme ayto na ginei to syntomotero dynato. O xronikos orizontas, omws, den mporei na prosdioristei apo mas. Ton kyrio logo exoyn oi empeirognwmones, stoys opoioys den mporoyme, ek twn proterwn, na qesoyme xroniko orio. Qetoyme apo thn arxh ws ypertato skopo thn plhrh dialeykansh. O xronos poy qa apaithqei einai kati gia to opoio kai oi idioi qa apofasisoyn.

PARIS: Qa ferete sthn Ellada to aeroskafos;

REPPAS: An oi texnikoi, oi opoioi ejetazoyn to aeroskafos apofanqoyn, oti mporei kai prepei na erqei sthn Ellada qa ginei kai ayto. Einai kati gia to opoio den qa laboyme politikh apofash. Qa akoysoyme th gnwmh twn eidikwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Einai ajioqaymasth h prospaqeia sas na kalycete orismenes eyqynes grafeiokratikes kai politikes. Alla, o laos anarwtietai, oxi gia to ti egine -peqane o Giannos teleiwse- an mesa ekei htan o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai ayto xwris na yparxei bebaiws metrhma poios einai. Oles oi zwes einai idies. Exei, omws, o poliths poy forologeitai sklhra thn ajiwsh, otan tajideyei o Prwqypoyrgos na einai asfalhs. Sas rwtw ti ekane h kybernhsh, an ypeblhqhsan paraithseis h teqhkan se diaqesimothta oi ypeyqynoi mexri thn anaxwrhsh toy aeroplanoy. Ayta poy mas lete einai ti qa ginei, katopin eorths. Exei o Qeos. Ti egine mexri thn anaxwrhsh toy aeroplanoy; Poioi einai ypeyqynoi grafeiokratika kai politika. Ayto endiaferei ton kosmo: an leitoyrgei swsta h yphresia. Giati tetoia qemata ta exoyme janasynanthsei kai ekei paei poy makria h balitsa, kata poso einai ajiomaxa ta skafh poy agorazoyme h mas prosferoyn; Kai ekei, para tis filotimes prospaqeies, den dinete oysiastikh apanthsh. Sas qaymazw, bebaia, alla oysiastikh apanthsh den pairnw.

REPPAS: Qa protimoysa na mh me qaymazete, alla na eixate ikanopoihqei apo tis apanthseis poy edwsa. Giati otan exei jekinhsei ayth h ereyna, oydeis mporei na ypokatasthsei sto ergo toys toys empeirognwmones, toys texnikoys. Hmoyn kathgorhmatikos, legontas pws yparxei sygkekrimenh texnikh yphresia, h opoia exei analabei to ergo ths parakoloyqhshs kai ths texnikhs yposthrijhs toy aeroskafoys. Den einai dynato to ergo ayto na apotelei antikeimeno politikwn paragontwn, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, enos Ypoyrgoy h kapoioy kybernhtikoy paragonta. Einai ergo episthmonwn, texnikwn, mhxanikwn, poy exoyn epifortistei me ayto to rolo. Oydeis, Prwqypoyrgos, ypoyrgos h allos, tajidece exontas ypociastei oti diatrexei kindyno, akomh kai gia th zwh toy. Osoi xrhsimopoihsan ayto to aeroskafos, to ekanan me apolyth bebaiothta oti den diatrexoyn kanena kindyno, epeidh oi texnikoi poy eixan analabei thn yposthrijh toy aeroskafoys eixan dwsei thn adeia toys, meta ton texniko elegxo ston opoio eixan probei, na xrhsimopoihqei. Den yparxei kapoia allh diadikasia. Yparxoyn ekeinoi poy exoyn sygkekrimeno rolo. To rolo toys ayto ton feroyn se peras me mia texnikh adeia poy dinoyn gia thn katallhlothta toy aeroskafoys. Kai to aeroskafos xrhsimopoieitai apo ekeinoys poy epilegetai na to xrhsimopoihsoyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Zhtw sygnwmh gia thn epimonh moy, alla kai gia thn ajiopistia ths enhmerwshs sas, dioti kapoy blepw oti to kaqhkon sas einai epibeblhmeno. Epanalambanw, sth Gallia ektroxiasthke treno kai paraithqhke olh h hgesia toy gallikoy sidhrodromikoy diktyoy. Kai edw, skotwqhke enas ypoyrgos kai pente synadelfoi mas kai den filotimhqhke kaneis na ypobalei thn paraithsh toy h na teqei se diaqesimothta apo thn kybernhsh. Den qelw na moy peite gia thn ereyna poy qa kanete apo dw kai pera, alla gia thn ereyna poy eprepe hdh na kanate mexri poy anaxwrhse to aeroplano. Poioi einai oloi aytoi poy adiaforoyn gia thn asfaleia toy prwqypoyrgikoy aeroskafoys; Edw qelw mia apanthsh. Paraithqhke kaneis apo eyqijia;

REPPAS: An thn wra poy diejagetai h ereyna, dwsoyme thn entypwsh, me opoiondhpote tropo, oti exoyme logoys na paremboyme kai na ephreasoyme thn poreia ths, antilambaneste pws qa exoyme prosferei kakh yphresia. Ta problhmata ajiopistias kai kaxypocias yparxoyn. Den proekycan twra. Kai den qa stamathsoyn na yparxoyn. Gia na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn kaxypocia h kai thn kakopisth kritikh epilejame, ayth h ereyna na diejaxqei apo paragontes, oi opoioi den exoyn opoiadhpote, estw kai thn pleon emmesh, sxesh me thn OA, ths opoias oi yphresies parakoloyqoysan apo texnikhs apochs ayto to aeroskafos. Yphrxe h bebaiothta oti to aeroskafos einai apolytws katallhlo. Mporei h ereyna na apodeijei -einai ena endexomeno, den prepei na to apokleisoyme, giati miloyme san na apokleietai kati tetoio- oti to aeroskafos htan pragmati katallhlo kai oti alloi paragontes telikws htan aytoi poy odhghsan sto moiraio apotelesma. Den to jeroyme ayth thn wra. Antilambanomai th sygkinhsh poy yparxei kai thn ajiwsh na apodoqoyn eyqynes. An yparxoyn eyqynes einai megales kai asfalws qa apodoqoyn. Kai epeidh den qeloyme na yparxei h paramikrh amfibolia gi ayth thn proqesh mas, epilejame ayth thn odo. Eipa sthn arxh oti den xrhsimopoioyme Galloys kai Aggloys texnikoys, gia logoys toys opoioys aneptyja. Kriname oti ayth h odos einai h kalyterh. Apo kei kai pera ola ta alla qemata poy qesate, asfalws, aforoyn kaqena xwrista kai o kaqenas epilegei th stash thn opoia qa krathsei. Nomizw, omws, oti einai allo ayto kai allo na miloyme gia eyqynes, apodidontas tis se sygkekrimena atoma. Giati oi eyqynes aytes, toylaxiston, mexri ayth thn wra den prokyptoyn me ton tropo me ton opoio kapoioi tis xrewnoyn se sygkekrimenoys sympolites mas, anejarthtws toy ajiwmatos kai ths idiothtas toys.

MOYRTZHS: Alhqeyei oti o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Mantelhs eqese se diaqesimothta ton k. Tsagkarakh kai poios akribws einai o rolos toy k. Tsagkarakh se sxesh me to FALCON;

REPPAS: To FALCON ayto yposthrizetai apo yphresies ths O. A. O k. Tsagkarakhs einai stelexos ths O. A. M` ayth thn ennoia, th dioikhtikh-organwtikh to qema ayto einai eswteriko qema ths O. A. O ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn k. Mantelhs, ej oswn gnwrizw, syzhthse me arketoys poy exoyn sxesh me to sygkekrimeno qema, metajy twn opoiwn kai o k. Tsagkarakhs. Den gnwrizw, omws, to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn poy eixe. To an qa parameinei sth qesh toy o k. Tsagkarakhs einai kai qema ths O. A. to opoio, bebaiws, mporei na kriqei, me tropo apolytws antikeimeniko, otan oloklhrwqei ayth h ereyna.

KARAKWSTAS: Symfwna me shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma, fereste -stis 10 Dekembrioy toy 1998- na epibainate sto sygkekrimeno aeroskafos, me proorismo th Biennh, eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai na exete zhsei analogo epeisodio, mikroterhs omws ektashs. Alhqeyei;

REPPAS: Den dhmioyrghqhke problhma s` ayth thn pthsh, sthn opoia den qymoymai an tajideya kai egw. Apla, qymoymai oti kata thn epistrofh mas apo mia Ektakth Synodo Koryfhs, apo to Pertsax ths Aystrias, eixame kapoies anatarajeis, analoges me aytes poy exoyme dokimasei polloi, kata kairoys kai se alles pthseis, me diafora aeroplana twn emporikwn aerogrammwn. Den ajiologhqhke ayto to symban san kati to opoio na ypokryptei blabh h adynamia toy aeroskafoys. Oyte kan to dianohqhkame ayto, tote. Kai den gnwrizw na exei ginei kapoia sxetikh ereyna, h opoia na odhgei s` ayto to symperasma. Ara, loipon, yphrje ena fainomeno mikrwn anatarajewn -oxi sto xroniko diasthma to opoio anaferetai sto dhmosieyma- alla se mia allh periptwsh, kata thn epistrofh mas apo to Pertsax ths Aystrias. Anatarajeis, omws, exete zhsei kai eseis, opws kai emeis kai exoyme epibiwsei, eytyxws. Oi anatarajeis den einai fainomeno to opoio prokalei entypwsh.

KARELIAS: An den alhqeyei, opws eipate, to sygkekrimeno peristatiko, profanws den alhqeyei kai h synexeia gia to peristatiko. Legetai, oti tote o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo ton k. Mantelh na apomakrynei to FALCON. To jerete eseis ayto;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti den eteqh tetoio qema, oson afora thn texnikh eparkeia toy aeroskafoys na ejyphrethsei aytes tis anagkes, na xrhsimopoieitai, dhladh, gia th metakinhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai allwn paragontwn. Opws, epishs, den alhqeyei o isxyrismos oti o k. Qemelhs exei syntajei epistolh gia to qema ayto kai thn exei aposteilei ston ypoyrgo Metaforwn. O k. Qemelhs me plhroforhse oti oydepote exei syntajei h aposteilei tetoia epistolh.

GEROPOYLOS: Dhmioyrgeitai h aporia, an h kybernhsh problhmatizetai gia to gegonos oti dhmioyrghqhkan, pleon, tosa atyxhmata kai malista moiraia apo aeroskafh poy agorasame apo th NTASO. Dhmioyrgei ypocies sthn kybernhsh, meta apo ta F-4, ta Miraz kai twra to FALCON;

REPPAS: H NTASO einai mia kataskeyastikh etairia ths opoias ta proionta promhqeyontai polles xwres toy kosmoy. Pisteyw oti to kyros kai h ajiopistia ths etairias den prepei na krinetai me ayto ton tropo. Einai mia etairia h opoia brisketai sthn agora, einai mesa ston antagwnismo. Ta proionta ths polloi ta protimoyn, dioti qewroyn oti einai ta kalytera. Kapoioi alloi epilegoyn proionta allwn etairiwn. As mhn mpoyme s` ayth th syzhthsh. Antilambaneste oti etsi ektrepomaste se alloy eidoys ajiologhseis, tis opoies, kalo einai, emeis na apofeygoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Eipate, prin, oti den qymaste na tajideyate se ekeinh thn pthsh pros th Biennh. Diaceydete, dhladh, to peristatiko ths Biennhs; Den synebh tipota kata thn pthsh ekeinh pros th Biennh me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Ej oswn exw plhroforhqei, se ekeino to tajidi den eixe symbei otidhpote to opoio na mporei na qewrhqei oti proekyce apo blabh toy aeroskafoys. Sas eipa se poia pthsh eixame fainomena anatarajewn: kata thn epistrofh meta th Synodo Koryfhs sto Pertsax. To sxoliasame ayto osoi hmastan se ekeinh thn pthsh -gi` ayto to anaferw- xwris, omws, na yparjei kapoia synexeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios htan o logos poy o k. Laliwths dhmosiopoihse to fax poy phre apo thn omada BAN kai dhmioyrghse ayto ton paniko se diafores perioxes ths xwras;

REPPAS: O idios logos poy mas odhgei kai emas na dwsoyme ola ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta, prokeimenoy na mh diarreoyn dejia-aristera kai na mh ginontai syzhthseis me tropo streblo. To shma ayto, to eggrafo ayto, eixe diarreysei, eixe erqei sth dhmosiothta, den to edwse eyqys ws to elabe o k. Laliwths. To edwse, otan antelhfqh oti apotelei antikeimeno, apo diaforoys paragontes, gia syzhthseis oi opoies mallon anhsyxia qa prokaloysan. To ekane, synodeyontas ayth th xeironomia toy, me thn prosklhsh pros toys episthmones seismologoys na anaptyjoyn dhmosiws to diko toys ypeyqyno, tekmhriwmeno logo. Kai ola synodeythkan me th dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth oti dynatothta prognwshs seismwn den yfistatai. Ara, ola ta alla, einai peritta kai, s` aytes tis periptwseis, idiaitera epizhmia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omws, k. Ypoyrge, h dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth prokalese paniko. Pio prin, den eixe dhmioyrghqei tipota. Otan egine eyrytera gnwsto ayto, tote dhmioyrghqhke to problhma. Kai kalese, shmera, o k. Laliwths toys episthmones, enw eprepe na toys eixe kalesei ekeinh thn wra, xwris na to dhmosiopoihsei.

REPPAS: H shmerinh synanthsh einai sto plaisio twn taktikwn synedriasewn poy kanei ayth h episthmonikh Epitroph Ektimhshs Seismikoy Kindynoy. Qa mporoyse na sygklhqei amesws. Omws, polloi apo toys seismologoys poy einai melh ths htan ektos Aqhnwn, xqes. Kai gi` ayto den htan kai praktika dynato na synedriasei xqes. Ayto egine shmera. Pisteyw, omws, oti oi apanthseis poy exoyn doqei apo thn prwth stigmh einai tetoies, wste na ikanopoioyn oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi anhsyxhsan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokalese paniko.

REPPAS: Den yphrxe logos tetoias anhsyxias. Den qa eprepe. Sas eipa, apo thn prwth hmera, na eimaste cyxraimoi, na akoyme toys seismologoys kai na apofeygoyme tetoioy eidoys pagides.

PARIS: Epeidh yparxei genikh symfwnia oti den mporoyn na problefqoyn oi seismoi, tote poios einai o logos ths xrhmatodothshs toy BAN; Giati tetoia problhmata dhmioyrgoyntai synexeia. Bgainoyn oi ypeyqynoi toy BAN kai kanoyn mia problech genikh kai aoristh oti kati qa ginei, kai apo ekei kai pera epikratei panikos.

REPPAS: Ayth h ereynhtikh prospaqeia enisxyqhke oikonomika mexris enos orismenoy shmeioy, giati, bebaiws, den mporei na meineis adiaforos otan dexesai mia protash, otan ypoballetai ena programma, to opoio prepei na ajiologhqei. Qewrhsame oti h bohqeia poy eixe xorhghqei htan aparaithth, alla, bebaiws, krinetai pws h ereyna ayth exei fqasei se ena shmeio poy den exei dwsei sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Gi` ayto, akribws, shmera mporoyme na poyme me kathgorhmatiko tropo oti h prognwsh seismwn den einai efikth.

* H ayrianh (17/9) politikh enhmerwsh qa pragmatopoihqei stis 12 to meshmeri.

Sas eyxaristw.

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