Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-08-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Aygoystoy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: Meta tis epafes poy eixe o Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn k. G. Papandreoy me toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, h katalhjh poia einai; H kybernhsh ektima oti to veto prepei na arqei, oson afora thn proseggish ths Toyrkias me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

REPPAS: Eipa kai allh fora se sxetikh erwthsh oti qa epitrecete sthn kybernhsh na paroysiasei th qesh ths, me kaqe leptomereia, kata th Synodo twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn to epomeno Sabbatokyriako. Gia logoys taktikhs qa prepei na mas dwsete th dynatothta na oloklhrwsoyme thn epejergasia, h opoia, hdh, exei proxwrhsei shmantika, wste h apofash h opoia qa lhfqei na aphxei th boylhsh ths E. E. kai, bebaiws, kai th dikh mas, opws apo thn prwth stigmh thn exoyme ekfrasei. Na enisxyqei, dhladh, oikonomika h Toyrkia, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei tis synepeies ayths ths krishs. Oi syzhthseis poy exei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me toys alloys politikoys paragontes stoxeyoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh sta meizona qemata ths. Na epityxei, dhladh, sygkliseis, synaineseis, wste me ton kalytero tropo na prowqhsoyme ta eqnika symferonta kai, bebaiws, na symbaloyme sth beltiwsh ths dieqnoys eikonas ths xwras mas. Oi prospaqeies einai diarkeis kai pisteyw oti se aytes tis prospaqeies oloi exoyn logo kai rolo kai gi` ayto akribws ginetai ayth h syzhthsh. H qesh poy exoyme ekfrasei einai safhs. Gia logoys anqrwpismoy epiqymoyme na yparjei oikonomikh bohqeia pros thn Toyrkia. Oson afora, omws, ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs h antimetwpish toys paramenei ayth h opoia einai gnwsth se sas, edw kai arketo kairo. Den allazei h ejwterikh politikh ths xwras.

PARIS: Epeidh, den exei eipwqei apo epishma xeilh, qa hqela na rwthsw ean einai stis skeceis ths kybernhshs mia apo tis parametroys gia th bohqeia sthn Toyrkia na einai kai h arsh toy veto.

REPPAS: Qa epitrecete sthn kybernhsh na diathrhsei gia ton eayton ths ena meros twn skecewn poy kanei, sto plaisio twn kybernhtikwn syskecewn, toylaxiston mexri thn epikeimenh Synodo. Nomizw oti den einai orqh stash na anakoinwsoyme me kaqe leptomereia tis apoceis mas, otan gnwrizete oti sto plaisio enos tetoioy Symboylioy o dialogos qa exei kai ena xarakthra diapragmateysewn. Oi alloi etairoi qa diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys gia to idio antikeimeno. Emeis, qa prepei na laboyme ypoch mas th stash twn allwn xwrwn, na staqmisoyme ola ta dedomena, opws ayta qa prokycoyn ekeinh th stigmh, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyme se akraia leptomereia th dikh mas qesh. Sas eipa poio einai to plaisio ths politikhs mas kai hmoyn safhs, oson afora ayth thn politikh. Thn ejeidikeysh kai tis leptomereies qa epitrecete sthn kybernhsh na ta anakoinwsei ekeinh thn wra poy qa prepei na lhfqoyn oi apofaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo th mia lete oti h qesh poy exoyme ekfrasei einai safhs kai apo thn allh lete oti den qa epitrecete sthn kybernhsh mexri to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn na pei tipota. Den einai mia antifash; Alla leei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, alla lete eseis.

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena diko sas symperasma sto opoio, bebaiws, odhgeiste otan me ayto ton tropo ermhneyete ayta ta opoia lew. H qesh einai safhs. Kai einai safhs giati exei kat` epanalhch pei h kybernhsh mas, me diaforoys tropoys kai se diafores eykairies, oti prepei h E. E. na bohqhsei oikonomika thn Toyrkia na jeperasei thn krish apo thn opoia dokimazetai ayth thn wra meta ton katastrofiko seismo. Apo thn allh h kybernhsh exei pei pws h ejwterikh politikh poy akoloyqei einai h politikh poy exoyme xarajei edw kai poly kairo, einai h politikh h opoia basizetai stis arxes kai toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Einai safestath h politikh mas qesh. Apo ekei kai pera, qa moy epitrecete kai pali na yperaspistw th qesh ths kybernhshs: Oi leptomereies qa prepei na meinoyn sta oria ths kybernhshs aytes tis hmeres mexri thn epikeimenh Synodo. Den antilambanomai giati h dikh mas kybernhsh, h xwra mas, qa prepei twra na anoijei ola ta xartia ths, otan gnwrizete oti sto plaisio aytwn twn Synodwn to stoixeio ths diapragmateyshs einai kaqoristiko. Emeis, qa prepei na eimaste parontes se ayth th syzhthsh kai ejoplismenoi me tekmhriwmenes qeseis. Prepei na sas pw oti, hdh, eimaste poly kala proetoimasmenoi gia na laboyme meros se ayth th Synodo. Katw apo ayth thn omprela ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, apo thn prwth stigmh eipame na yposthrixqei h Toyrkia gia na antimetwpisei tis synepeies toy katastrofikoy seismoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afhnete anoikto to qema me ayta poy lete.

REPPAS: Ayta ta opoia lew, epi toses hmeres, einai ayta ta opoia lene oi kybernhtikoi paragontes gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Den lew kati diaforetiko, den lew kati kainoyrgio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, proxqes, synanthqhke me ton k. Gkeorgkiefski kai syzhthse epixeirhmatika qemata. Giati den syzhthse kai to qema ths onomasias; Den einai apo ta prwta qemata poy afora tis dyo xwres;

REPPAS: Einai qema poy afora tis dyo xwres. To qema ayto exoyme apofasisei edw kai xronia na syzhthqei sto plaisio toy OHE. H syzhthsh ekei, gnwrizete poly kala, oti paramenei ekkremhs. Pisteyoyme oti h sysfigjh twn sxesewn se alloys tomeis, metajy twn dyo xwrwn, qa symbalei kai sth dhmioyrgia enos kalyteroy klimatos, prokeimenoy to kratos twn Skopiwn na exei mia qetikoterh proseggish kai sto qema ths onomasias, wste oi syzhthseis poy ginontai, edw kai poly kairo, sto plaisio toy OHE na katalhjoyn se symfwnia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to onoma eixe kai o k. Zaxarakis apo thn pleyra toy syzhthseis.

REPPAS: Einai etsi opws to lete, epeidh o k. Zaxarakis htan tote presbhs. O k. Zaxarakis exei mia allh idiothta twra. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h taxythta, o ryqmos aytwn twn syzhthsewn einai tetoios poy mas dinei th dynatothta, wste h epilogh toy neoy synomilhth na ginei tis epomenes hmeres, xwris ayto na dhmioyrgei problhmata h empodia sthn ejelijh ths syzhthshs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dyo erwthmata. To teleytaio diasthma sthn Kypro yparxei entonh fhmologia opws kai topoqethseis politikwn andrwn akoma kai apo thn thleorash oti yparxei, endexomenws, kindynos anatrophs toy Amyntikoy Dogmatos Ellados - Kyproy. Qa hqela na moy dwsete th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. To deytero erwthma moy einai, oti meta thn gennaia filanqrwpikh bohqeia ths Ellados pros thn Toyrkia, anamenei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh kapoia xeironomia kalhs qelhsews apo pleyras Toyrkias sto Kypriako h sta ellhnotoyrkika h oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy toylaxiston sthn E. E.;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas: To Dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy apotelei akrogwniaio liqo ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas, oson afora th sxesh mas me thn Kypro kai thn prospaqeia poy apo koinoy kataballoyme gia thn epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. To Dogma ayto to opoio apofasisthke apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK ta teleytaia xronia, exei apokthsei periexomeno, exei employtistei, exei ypostash, exei parei sarka kai osta, apotelei kekthmeno gia thn Ellada kai thn Kypro kai oydeis mporei na to yponomeysei h na to amfisbhthsei. Den yparxei periqwrio syzhthshs gia thn tyxh toy Dogmatos toy EAX. To Dogma ayto einai isxyro.

Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas: Mporw na ektimhsw oti h Toyrkia antilambanetai pws me polloys tropoys h Ellada symballei sth dhmioyrgia synqhkwn kalhs geitonias. To kaname sto parelqon, to kaname kai prosfata me thn eyaisqhsia poy epideijame kai thn amesh antidrash mas, prokeimenoy na ypobohqhsoyme to dokimazomeno toyrkiko lao na jeperasei thn krish. Mporw na ektimhsw oti h Toyrkia -prokyptei ayto allwste kai oloi to gnwrizete- anagnwrizei th symbolh ths Elladas sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy proekycan meta ton katastrofiko seismo. Mporw, omws, epishs na ektimhsw, oti h Toyrkia den exei dwsei opoiodhpote deigma allaghs ths stashs ths sta qemata ta opoia exoyn koino endiaferon. H ejwterikh politikh ths Toyrkias, opws askhqhke thn prohgoymenh periodo, pisteyw oti thn exei odhghsei se adiejodo. Elpizw na epanejetasei thn politikh poy askei ston tomea ayto. Den yparxei omws stoixeio to opoio na odhgei sthn ejagwgh enos tetoioy symperasmatos. Me ayth thn ennoia den blepw na yparxei allagh ston tomea ayto. Alla bebaiws, gia logoys anqrwpistikoys, gia logoys allhleggyhs, gia logoys symparastashs stoys dokimazomenoys polites mias geitonikhs xwras, emeis den zygizoyme ayto to opoio prosferoyme me opoiadhpote antallagmata. Einai kati to opoio qa kaname se opoiadhpote periptwsh gia opoiadhpote xwra kai opoiodhpote lao, opoiadhpote xronikh stigmh. Einai mia politikh arxwn thn opoia akoloyqoyme giati thn pisteyoyme apolytws kai se baqos.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oson afora to xrhmatodotiko prwtokollo pros thn Toyrkia den qa eprepe na perimenoyme kapoia antallagmata;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh gnwrizei poly kala oti h politikh poy askei ta teleytaia xronia exei tyxei anagnwrishs kai ta antallagmata poy amesws h emmesws eisprattei h xwra mas einai emfanh se polloys tomeis. Sto poly sygkekrimeno tomea ston opoio anafereste, emeis akoloyqoyme mia politikh arxwn. Pisteyoyme oti etsi qwrakizoyme ta eqnika symferonta, proagoyme ta eqnika symferonta, den ta apodynamwnoyme, den ta yponomeyoyme opws kapoioi kakopistoi isws nomizoyn. Antiqetws anadeiknyoyme thn eikona mias xwras h opoia exei eqnikh aytopepoiqhsh, h opoia pera apo opoies diafores, akoloyqei mia politikh h opoia einai symfwnh kai se apolyth armonia me tis arxes toy anqrwpismoy. Politikh poy prepei na akoloyqeitai apo oles tis prohgmenes dhmokratikes kai politismenes xwres toy planhth mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate gia kapoioys kakopistoys. Ennoeite ton k. Pagkalo;

REPPAS: Eipa oti o k. Pagkalos einai epilekto stelexos ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs. Sthrizei me thn chfo toy thn kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na askhsei to ergo ths. Den einai dynaton kapoios o opoios sthrizei ayth thn kybernhsh na qewreitai apo emas kakopistos. Einai, nomizw, dedomenh h apanthsh kai eprepe na eixate jekaqarisei sto myalo sas, ayth th qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw thn exw jekaqarisei. Den jerw an o k. Pagkalos thn exei jekaqarisei.

REPPAS: Gi' ayto loipon, an qelete na plhroforhqeite kati perissotero, qa to plhroforhqeite apo ton k. Pagkalo. Otan omws h kybernhsh kapoion ton qewrei ws epilekto stelexos kai sthrigma ths sthn prospaqeia poy kanei, mhn perimenete apo thn kybernhsh thn idia stigmh ayton na ton baftisei kakopisto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos den ofeile na ta gnwrizei ola ayta poy mas eipate eseis ths kybernhshs kai na mhn...

REPPAS: Qelete na synthreite ena qema sthn epikairothta. Ayto einai apolytws katanohto. Exei dhmosiografiko endiaferon to opoio anagnwrizw. O k. Pagkalos ta gnwrizei ola ayta kai gnwrizei poly perissotera. Gi' ayto kai milaei me ayto ton tropo, o opoios einai tropos ypeyqynos kai symballei -o k. Pagkalos- prokeimenoy h kybernhsh na askei mia politikh h opoia qa proagei ta eqnika symferonta. S' ayto to karabi poy legetai PASOK eimaste oloi mazi kai eimaste oloi kwphlates. Koinws "trabame koypi", prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme. Kai o anemos einai oyrios.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh den sas enoxlei o xarakthrismos "graikyloi" poy sas eipe o k. Pagkalos;

REPPAS: Qa enoxlei aytoys toys opoioys afora. Aytoys toys opoioys den afora den nomizw oti prepei na toys enoxlei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afora to Majimoy, to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Ta anaferei o k. Pagkalos.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ekdoxh. Den qa mporoyse na einai diaforetikh. Den nomizw oti o k. Pagkalos sthrizei mia kybernhsh h opoia exei mia politikh "graikylismoy" h stelexwnetai apo "graikyloys". Ayto einai adianohto. Synista antifash. O k. Pagkalos einai eyfyhs politikos, to gnwrizete, kai se tetoies antifaseis den ypopiptei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi kakopistoi poy lete poioi einai; Poy apeyqyneste;

REPPAS: Sas eipa poy den apeyqynomai. Apo kei kai pera eseis qa bgalete ta symperasmata sas.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na rwthsw an to PASOK exei club;

REPPAS: Parakalw;

MIXAHL: Erwtw an to PASOK exei club.

REPPAS:... "santoyits"; !

MIXAHL: Anaferomai ston oro "club" giati o k. Papaqemelhs eipe oti o k. Pagkalos einai eyprosdektos sto diko mas "club".

REPPAS: O k. Papaqemelhs eixe balei wrario sta nyxterina kentra. Twra mas leei oti exei kai club; Den to gnwriza ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati den to katargeite to wrario ayto;

REPPAS: Gia na prostateysoyme orismenoys san esas.

Wstoso gia na milhsoyme sobara, den gnwrizw ti dhlwseis exoyn ginei, alla asfalws to PASOK den exei sto eswteriko toy lesxes h omades syntrofwn poy na exoyn organwtika xarakthristika tetoia wste na toys diaforopoioyn apo alloys syntrofoys, apo alla melh. Prepei na gnwrizete oti sto PASOK o kaqenas, logw twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei to Kinhma, leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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