Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-07-20

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Ioylioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw orismena sxolia gia qemata ths epikairothtas.

* Eikosi pente xronia katoxhs sthn Kypro einai polla gia na ta antejei menontas adiaforh h dieqnhs koinothta. H antimetwpish kai epilysh toy Kypriakoy problhmatos einai pleon epitaktikh. H Toyrkia den mporei na ypodyetai to sygxrono kratos, otan prosetairizetai ton Attila, yperamynetai ths katoxhs kai dynamitizei kaqe prospaqeia gia thn epilysh toy problhmatos. To endiaferon ths dieqnoys koinothtas apotelei ena enqarryntiko shmadi. Emeis apo thn pleyra mas -epanalambanw, me aformh th symplhrwsh 25 xronwn katoxhs- qa symbaloyme wste sto plaisio ths dieqnoys nomimothtas na ejeyreqei, epiteloys, mia lysh sto Kypriako problhma.

* Qelw na kanw ena deytero sxolio gia thn apofash poy exei labei o Prwqypoyrgos na apeyqynqei stoys politikoys Arxhgoys kai na toys kalesei se synanthsh kai syzhthsh, gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn empedwsh ths asfaleias sto eswteriko ths xwras. H epilogh ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai shmantikh, giati afora krisimo zhthma. Hdh, to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei proxwrhsei se epikoinwnia me ta antistoixa grafeia politikwn Arxhgwn, prokeimenoy na ginoyn oi aparaithtes synennohseis, wste to epomeno diasthma na ginoyn aytes oi synanthseis. Krinw skopimo na kanw ayto to sxolio twra, giati diapistwnw mia kritikh apo thn pleyra sas, oson afora tis pragmatikes proqeseis mas. Einai epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai h isxyrh boylhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy na syzhthsei ayto to qema kai na to antimetwpisei se synennohsh me toys politikoys Arxhgoys. Hdh, oi sxetikes diadikasies jekinhsan. Syntoma qa gnwrizete akribeis hmeromhnies aytwn twn synanthsewn.

* Oson afora, twra, thn apofash poy elabe h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, na oristei h Qessalonikh ws edra ths Yphresias gia thn anasygkrothsh ths eyryterhs perioxhs, einai profanhs toso h praktikh ajia, oso kai h politikh shmasia ths apofashs ayths. H Qessalonikh ginetai pleon to Kentro, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta amesa problhmata sto Kossyfopedio, na ejomalynqoyn oi synqhkes, na anakamcei to Kossyfopedio, alla kai h eyryterh perioxh sto epomeno diasthma. Pisteyoyme oti h ypeyqynh politikh poy askhse h kybernhsh, kata th diarkeia ths krishs sth Gioygkoslabia, synebale ta megista se mia tetoia apofash. Apo to Septembrio-Oktwbrio otan qa egkatastaqei kai qa leitoyrghsei h yphresia ayth sth Qessalonikh, qa anadeixqei akoma perissotero o kentrikos rolos poy diadramatizei h polh ayth stis ejelijeis -me thn eyryterh ennoia ejelijeis- sthn perioxh twn Balkaniwn.

* Qa moy epitrecete, telos, na anaferqw se ena diko mas qema kai na pw oti me aformh tis plhrofories poy eixame gia endexomeno diakophs toy ellhnikoy radiofwnikoy programmatos ths "Ntoitse Bele", exw hdh apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada apeyqynqei, me epistolh moy, ston omologo ypoyrgo, ton k. Naoyman, kai zhtw na epideijei proswpiko endiaferon, prokeimenoy na synexisei na ekpempetai to ellhniko programma ths "Ntoitse Bele". Opws lew sthn epistolh moy, einai ena egkyro programma, to opoio peran apo tis mnhmes poy kentrizei, kai shmera sygkentrwnei to endiaferon enos megaloy tmhmatos Ellhnwn akroatwn poy plhroforoyntai gia tis dieqneis ejelijeis, ta osa symbainoyn ston kosmo, mesa apo to radiofwniko programma ths "Ntoitse Bele". Epeidh exei katateqei sxetikh erwthsh kai diatypwnontai sxolia sxetika me to qema ayto, krinw skopimo na sas plhroforhsw oti apo tis 16 Ioylioy exw apeyqynei th sxetikh epistolh.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw an ayto afora apokleistika thn ellhnikh ekpomph h genikws tis jenoglwsses ekpompes.

REPPAS: Ej oswn exoyme plhroforhqei, afora to ellhniko programma. Gi ayto akribws enoiwsa thn anagkh na aposteilw th sxetikh epistolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati h apofash ths E. E., den emeine opws htan kai tropopoihqhke gia to qema ths Qessalonikhs; Giati edwsan kai alloy kai giati ypoxwrhsame;

REPPAS: Oxi mono den ypoxwrhsame, alla qa elega pws h epiqetikh, h idiaitera agwnistikh stash toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai toy ypoyrgoy anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn odhghse se ayto to poly qetiko apotelesma. H Qessalonikh einai, pleon, h edra ths Yphresias Anasygkrothshs ths eyryterhs perioxhs. Kai ena ek twn epixeirhmatwn poy xrhsimopoihqhkan -kai fainetai oti apedwse- einai to oti den einai dynato na miloyme gia anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs -giati anagkh anasygkrothshs exei h eyryterh perioxh, oxi monon to Kossyfopedio- kai na orisoyme thn edra se kapoia polh, allh, ektos ths Qessalonikhs. Polh, dhladh, h opoia brisketai se mia perioxh kai mono poy exei anagkh anasygkrothshs, enw h Qessalonikh mporei na kalycei olo ayto to xwro, olh th balkanikh endoxwra, as xrhsimopoihsw ayth thn ekfrash, h opoia xrhzei ths ameshs bohqeias ths E. E. Ara, sto plaisio ths anasygkrothshs qa prepei h Qessalonikh na einai to ormhthrio, to kentro twn prwtoboyliwn kai twn prospaqeiwn, gia na petyxoyme ayto to skopo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H apofash leei oti ekei qa einai to dioikhtiko kentro kai to epixeirhsiako qa einai sthn Pristina.

REPPAS: H apofash den leei ayto. Leei oti h edra ths Yphresias einai h Qessalonikh. Ayth einai h nomikh apofash poy exei lhfqei kai einai h telesidikh apofash. Para poly shmantikh kai qetikh. Apo kei kai pera, asfalws, kaqe Kentro, kai to prwto poy apofasisthke kai idryqhke kai qa leitoyrghsei einai ayto sthn Pristina, exei mia sxetikh epixeirhsiakh aytonomia. Ayto einai logiko, giati qa prepei na antimetwpizontai epitopoy, praktika, texnika problhmata poy prokyptoyn, alla ta problhmata ayta qa antimetwpizontai sto plaisio efarmoghs ths politikhs poy exei apofasistei apo ta organa ths Yphresias ayths poy qa edreyei sth Qessalonikh. To Dioikhtiko Symboylio exei edra sth Qessalonikh, ekei qa synedriazei, ekei qa lambanontai oi apofaseis. Opoios paragontas epiqymei na labei plhrofories h na energopoihqei sthn kateyqynsh symmetoxhs se ayth thn prospaqeia anasygkrothshs, qa exei epafh, qa synennoeitai, qa synergazetai me tis yphresies poy qa exoyn edra th Qessalonikh. Kai bebaiws, shmera, sthn Pristina, ayrio se kapoia allh polh, an kriqei aparaithto, qa dhmioyrgoyntai epixeirhsiaka kentra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn ta problhmata poy prokyptoyn, epitopoy. Alla, ayta ta epixeirhsiaka kentra -epanalambanw- exoyn sxetikh aytonomia, mono epixeirhsiakh aytonomia, oxi leitoyrgikh h dioikhtikh aytonomia kai pantws, qa efarmozoyn thn politikh poy apofasizetai sth Qessalonikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra poy erxomoyn eida toys foithtes. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Qa epanalabw tis dhlwseis poy ekana thn Paraskeyh, anakoinwnontas thn apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Qa pw oti oi arxes ths isothtas, oi kanones toy dikaioy kai ths ejyphrethshs toy dhmosioy symferontos, qa prepei na efarmozontai aparegklitws. Otan syntrexoyn eidikoi logoi, tote akribws staqmizontai ta dedomena kai proxwroyme se eidikes ryqmiseis. Prepei na pw oti apo toys 1.500 foithtes, oi opoioi spoydazoyn se panepisthmia ths Gioygkoslabias, oi peripoy 1.200, foitoyn se iatrikes kai odontiatrikes sxoles. Sas enhmerwnw oti kaqe xrono stis iatrikes kai odontiatrikes sxoles twn ellhnikwn panepisthmiwn eisagontai 1.000 foithtes. Yparxei arnhtikh qesh, eyqys ej arxhs, twn panepisthmiakwn arxwn apenanti sto endexomeno meteggrafhs olwn aytwn twn spoydastwn sthn Ellada. H kybernhsh qewrei pws einai idiaiteres oi synqhkes poy epikratoyn sthn Pristina. Gi ayto to ypoyrgeio Paideias qa proxwrhsei se eidikes ryqmiseis poy aforoyn ayth thn omada twn foithtwn.

KARGOYDH: Posoi einai;

REPPAS: Einai liges dekades. Gnwrizete oti oi arxes ths ishs, ths dikaihs metaxeirishs twn politwn aforoyn, bebaiws, ta ellhnopoyla poy spoydazoyn sto ejwteriko kai sth sygkekrimenh perioxh, aforoyn, omws -kai den prepei na mas diafeygei- kai ta ellhnopoyla poy spoydazoyn sta ellhnika panepisthmia, ta opoia den einai dynaton na dexqoyn na ypobaqmistoyn oi spoydes toys, logw enos ektaktoy gegonotos. Epanalambanw kai pali, se mia epoxh poy emeis qeloyme na enisxysoyme thn prospaqeia anasygkrothshs ths Gioygkoslabias, den einai dynaton na pairnoyme apofaseis, oi opoies odhgoyn sthn ejagwgh twn teleiws antiqetwn symperasmatwn. Na odhgoyme kapoioys na egkataleipoyn thn Gioygkoslabia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi arxes isothtas, omws, den efarmozontai gia oloys toys foithtes poy foitoyn ekei.

REPPAS: Efarmozontai apolytws. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h krish eplhje idiaiterws kai entonws thn Pristina kai to Kossyfopedio. Gi` ayto, gia toys foithtes poy foitoyn sto panepisthmio ths Pristinas qa apofasisoyme eidikes ryqmiseis. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na pw oti oi foithtes poy foitoyn sta alla panepisthmia ths Gioygkoslabias, exoyn hdh klhqei apo tis arxes aytwn twn panepisthmiwn na epistrecoyn ekei, na dexqoyn symplhrwtika maqhmata, prokeimenoy na synexisoyn tis spoydes toys.

Einai ena qema to opoio mas eyaisqhtopoiei oloys. Den qa prepei, omws, gia tetoia qemata, ta opoia einai poly shmantika -aforoyn th morfwsh twn paidiwn mas- na kanoyme ekptwseis h xeirismoys poy mporei na fainontai eyxaristoi se kapoioys -kai parakalw, oloi mas na apofygoyme ton eykolo dromo ths dhmagwgias, ayth thn wra- einai, omws, epiloges oi opoies den einai xrhsimes, oyte gi` aytoys toys idioys, oyte gia thn ekpaideysh sth xwra mas. Loipon, prepei na eimaste para poly ypeyqynoi se tetoioy eidoys xeirismoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia poia dhmagwgia milate, k. Ypoyrge; Polemos egine.

REPPAS: Dhmagwgia einai h akrith apodoxh olwn twn aithmatwn poy diafores omades toy plhqysmoy diatypwnoyn se kaqe eykairia. Yparxoyn politikoi, dhmosiografoi, MME, polites, poy akrita, xwris syzhthsh, apodexontai kai yioqetoyn oti aithma diatypwnetai, arkei na xrhsimopoihqei to aithma ayto, prokeimenoy na antiparateqoyn sthn kybernhsh. Ayth h politikh einai aneyqynh kai dhmagwgikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw milaw gia to sygkekrimeno aithma.

REPPAS: Apanthsame s` ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai gia dhmagwgia, polemos egine.

REPPAS: Symfwnoyme k. Stamatopoyle, kai gi` ayto akribws, eimaste para poly ypeyqynoi stis epiloges poy kanoyme. Gnwrizete poly kala -na sas dwsw ena neo stoixeio- oti exei jespasei mia politikh krish sto Iran. Qa prepei na sas pw oti kai ekei foitoyn Ellhnes. Qa prepei ola ayta ta qemata, loipon, na ta antimetwpizoyme me poly ypeyqyno tropo. Antilhfqeite oti polla nea ellhnopoyla anazhtoyn to dromo twn spoydwn toys sto ejwteriko. Einai sebasth h prospaqeia toys. Toys timoyme gi` ayto. Apo thn allh, omws, qa prepei na sebastoyme kai to plaisio antoxhs toy ekpaideytikoy systhmatos sth xwra mas, prokeimenoy na exoyme ychloy epipedoy episthmones.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Posoys foithtes exoyme sto Iran; Pente-deka einai.

REPPAS: Ayto to anaferw, mono kai mono, gia na sas deijw oti, ana pasa stigmh, mporei na prokycoyn problhmata se perioxes poy foitoyn Ellhnes. Gi` ayto prepei otan prokyptoyn problhmata, na kanoyme poly prosektikoys xeirismoys, na eimaste ypeyqynoi.

FILHS: Yparxei kati sygkekrimeno, apo poqen qa arxisei o ellhno-toyrkikos dialogos, poio qa einai to prwto qema ths atzentas apo ta ennea poy proteinei h Ellada kai apo ta osa proteinei h Toyrkia kai poy qa ginei h enarkthria synanthsh;

REPPAS: O dialogos aytos gia ton opoio exoyme milhsei, jekina thn erxomenh Deytera, qa ginei to dihmero 26 kai 27 Ioylioy, sthn Agkyra. Ta qemata ta opoia qa syzhthsoyn oi ekproswpoi twn dyo xwrwn -ek meroys ths Elladas qa laboyn meros oi presbeis kyrioi Skopeliths kai Gerokwstopoylos- einai h oikonomikh-emporikh synergasia, o toyrismos kai to periballon. Ayta ta qemata qa apasxolhsoyn, sthn prwth fash, thn omada empeirognwmonwn, twn presbewn poy qa ekproswphsoyn tis dyo xwres.

FILHS: Yparxei periptwsh na yparjei kai deyterh synanthsh sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Qa yparjei kai deyterh synanthsh sthn Aqhna. Oi hmeromhnies qa kaqoristoyn thn epomenh periodo. Oi synanthseis, mallon, qa ginoyn stis 29 kai 30 Ioylioy.

FILHS: Me ti qemata;

REPPAS: Stis synanthseis ths Aqhnas qa syzhthqoyn o politismos, h polymerhs synergasia kai qemata asfaleias.

FILHS: O toyrkikos Typos dhmosieyei oti sth synanthsh twn Aqhnwn qa syzhthqei to qema ths tromokratias. Einai alhqes ayto;

REPPAS: Ta qemata patajhs ths egklhmatikothtas, ths tromokratias, ths laqrometanasteyshs, ths diakinhshs narkwtikwn, anhkoyn sto idio kefalaio. To kefalaio ayto einai ena ej ekeinwn poy exei apofasistei na syzhthqei sto plaisio aytwn twn synanthsewn.

FILHS: Epishs, o toyrkikos Typos kai h toyrkikh pleyra syndyazoyn amesa to qema ths tromokratias me th drash toy RKK kai zhta apo thn Ellada na labei sygkekrimena metra. Einai stis proqeseis ths Elladas na labei kapoia metra gia th drasthriothta toy RKK;

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme labei jekaqarh qesh ws pros to qema ayto. Den prokeitai na allajei h qesh ayth, giati pisteyoyme oti einai para poly orqh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na erqw sto qema ths Paideias. Exoyme mia poly shmantikh syskech sto Megaro Majimoy gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Qelw na sxoliasete to gegonos, oti prin apo ayth thn poly shmantikh syskech, o ypoyrgos Paideias edwse synenteyjh Typoy. Gia sas den jerw, moy fainetai, omws, poly logiko na eprepe na perimenei ta apotelesmata ayths ths syskechs, prin dwsei th synenteyjh Typoy gia kapoia poly shmantika qemata...

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs exei probei se dhlwseis gia qemata ths armodiothtas toy. Ayto einai apolytws fysiologiko. Eprepe na dwsei kapoies apanthseis h dieykriniseis gia qemata ths epikairothtas, meta kai apo dhmosieymata ta opoia exoyn dei to fws ths hmeras. Apo ekei kai pera -opws kai o idios eipe, alla kai egw anakoinwsa, xqes- sth syskech ayth, h opoia exei enan eyrytero xarakthra, symmetexoyn ektos twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatika stelexh. Ara, h prospaqeia h opoia ginetai einai koinh. Ayto qelei na dhlwsei h kybernhsh me ayth thn koinh syskech, ths kybernhshs, toy kommatos kai twn forewn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas, prokeimenoy na efarmostei h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish me ton taxytero kai kalytero tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto prohgoymeno qema, sthn tromokratia: Exei erqei ayto to klimakio, edw, twn Amerikanwn, me ton k. Sien. Qa hqela na moy peite ean yparxei kati anakoinwsimo, giati kati akoysa gia "meikta epiteleia". Ti einai ayta ta "meikta epiteleia";

REPPAS: O k. Sien brisketai sthn Ellada. Se ligh wra qa ginei dektos apo ton yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Gr. Niwth. H episkech ayth einai eqimotypikh. Qa antallajoyn apoceis gia qemata koinoy endiaferontos. To apogeyma, peripoy stis 6, qa ginei dektos apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs M. Xrysoxoidh kai qa syzhthsoyn sxetika qemata. Exoyme milhsei, kat` epanalhch, gi` ayto. Qa antallajoyme apoceis. Emeis exoyme pei pantote oti epiqymoyme ayth th synergasia, h opoia hdh yparxei se poly ikanopoihtiko baqmo, me armodioys paragontes, armodies yphresies allwn kratwn, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme na antimetwpisoyme ayth th dieqnh mastiga. Den yparxei tipota allo, peran aytoy. Den prokeitai, dhladh, ayth thn wra, na lhfqoyn apofaseis, oi opoies qa odhgoyn sth dhmioyrgia newn sxhmatwn synergasias. Synergasia yparxei, einai dedomenh kai epiqymoyme na synexistei. Oloi elpizoyme na symbaloyme, wste na exoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi ayto, gia ta "meikta epiteleia" qelw na moy peite.

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema, twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ayta qa ta ypogracei o k. Xrysoxoidhs, to Septembrio poy qa paei ekei;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, prin teqoyn oi ypografes se mia symfwnia, den einai dynato na gnwrizoyme poio einai to periexomeno ayths ths symfwnias. Mh qelete, loipon, na prokatalabete tis ejelijeis. Sas eipa pws exoyn ta pragmata ki ayto einai poy exei shmasia.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh yparxei kapoio zhthma, edw, yparxei h oxi politikh apofash gia dhmioyrgia "meiktwn epiteleiwn" twn eidikwn yphresiwn ths Elladas kai ths Amerikhs. To an qa ypografei mesa sto plaisio ths astynomikhs synergasias, einai ena zhthma. Ypoyrgikh apofash yparxei, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: H politikh qesh mas einai gnwsth se sas. H synergasia h opoia yparxei, edw kai kairo, synexizetai -to epiqymoyme- kai pisteyoyme oti mporei na symbalei gia na exoyme ta qetikotera dynata apotelesmata. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

BITALHS: H synergasia, omws, anamesa stis yphresies...

REPPAS: Eipa oti den prokeitai na odhghqoyme se alla organwtika sxhmata. Yparxei synergasia, h opoia einai synexhs kai adialeipth.

PANAGOPOYLOS: Yparxei kati newtero me thn episkech toy k. Samarank;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota newtero. Opws eipame, o k. Samarank erxetai gia allo logo sthn Ellada.

SOYRMELH: Kat` arxhn, gi` ayth thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Epitelikoy: Poioys qa dei kai poso qa krathsei; Apo pote qa einai edw, mexri pote; Kai mia deyterh erwthsh, o ellhno-toyrkikos dialogos poy qa arxisei stis 26 toy mhnos, qa einai periodikos kai me poia qemata qa asxolhqoyn sthn Aqhna; Qa asxolhqoyn me alles omades ergasias h me tis idies;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, hdh, kai sta dyo erwthmata sas. Opws sas eipa qa ginei dektos apo dyo kybernhtikoys paragontes. Kai bebaiws, kata th diarkeia ths oligohmerhs paramonhs toy, qa synanthsei kai qa syzhthsei sxetika qemata me toys armodioys yphresiakoys paragontes ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, ths Yphresias Asfaleias kai allwn synafwn yphresiwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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