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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Ioylioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* O Prwqypoyrgos, stis 13.30, qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs K. Skandalidh, enocei ths Synodoy ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs.

* Ayrio, stis 10 p. m., qa pareyreqei sth synedriash ths Boylhs twn Efhbwn.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 7 m. m., qa synedriasei, enocei ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, to Ektelestiko Grafeio, sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph.

* Thn Pempth, stis 10 p. m, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me dieyrymenh synqesh, me qema ton kybernhtiko programmatismo.

* Thn Paraskeyh, opws gnwrizete, arxizei h synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK.

* Epishs, stis 30 Ioylioy, hmera Paraskeyh, qa ginei Ektakth Synodos Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sto Seragiebo. Ayto, gia na dhlwsete symmetoxh, osoi endiafereste. Qa yparjei dhmosiografikh apostolh, ayqhmeron.

Ayta se genikes grammes.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph, eipate oti qa einai dieyrymenh. Dhladh, poioi qa metexoyn;

REPPAS: Qa symmetexoyn akomh oi ypoyrgoi k. k. Papaiwannoy, Papadhmas, Mantelhs kai Anwmeriths. Qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tis armodiothtes toys, qa apasxolhsoyn th synedriash kai krinetai aparaithth h paroysia toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ta tessera ypoyrgeia poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos oti xwlainoyn;

REPPAS: Oxi, milhsa genika gia ton kybernhtiko programmatismo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti sta alla basika, legomena, ypoyrgeia, ek twn pragmatwn, oi ypoyrgoi exoyn antikeimeno poy afora ta megala qemata ths xwras, alla aytoi einai melh ths K. E. Den xreiazetai eidikh prosklhsh. Gia kanenan allo logo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati eidika aytoys toys tesseris...;

REPPAS: Eipa oti einai oi alloi megaloi tomeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kata kairoys, exei ekfrastei o Prwqypoyrgos, gia thn ygeia, tis metafores kai ta alla...

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, gnwrizete oti einai enas politikos, o opoios oyte ceydetai, oyte paraplana ton ellhniko lao, opws symbainei me toys epikefalhs twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Milaei gia ta problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn. Anagnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn problhmata sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, epeidh akribws se mas exei "pesei o klhros" na ta antimetwpisoyme kai na ta lysoyme. Aytoi, omws, einai oi ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi stelexwnoyn thn kybernhsh, einai oi stenoi synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Aytoi poy exoyn armodiothtes gia alloys shmantikoys tomeis einai melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, etsi ki alliws. Den xreiazetai na prosklhqoyn idiaiterws. Mia kai miloyme gia ton kybernhtiko programmatismo, gia thn epomenh periodo, antilambaneste pws h symmetoxh ki aytwn twn ypoyrgwn einai epibeblhmenh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Erxetai edw o eidikos syntonisths toy Steht Ntipartment Maik Sin, gia thn tromokratia. Poioys kybernhtikoys paragontes qa dei;

REPPAS: O armodios Amerikanos yphresiakos paragwn qa synanthqei me thn hgesia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Qa ginei dektos kai apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Xrysoxoidh. Antikeimeno twn syzhthsewn qa einai qemata koinoy endiaferontos, oson afora thn patajh ths tromokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ektos apo ton k. Xrysoxoidh, qa dei alloys ypoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Den exei problefqei, ayth thn wra, kapoia allh synanthsh se tetoio epipedo.

FILHS: Kat` arxhn, yparxei periptwsh na monografhqei h ellhno-amerikanikh antitromokratikh symfwnia, kata thn paramonh toy k. Sin sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Oxi, den problepetai kati tetoio.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na episkefqei to Kossyfopedio, prin apo thn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs sto Seragiebo;

REPPAS: Einai stis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na ginei ayth h episkech, kat` arxhn, alla den exei programmatistei h sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Einai kati poy apasxolei ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den exei lhfqei h telikh apofash, ayth thn wra.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn proedrologia, qa hqela na rwthsw ean einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy proswpika, na diereynhsei th dynatothta epiloghs enos Proedroy, enos proswpoy gia thn proedria ths Dhmokratias, to opoio na antapokrinetai pros thn pleiochfia ths Boylhs, h opoia den einai dejia.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, gnwrizete poly kala oti sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia thn anaqewrhsh diatajewn toy Syntagmatos, exoyme parei sygkekrimenh kai safh qesh, pws prepei h diadikasia ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias na aposyndeqei apo th qhteia ths Boylhs. Epeidh, akribws, sebomaste to qesmo kai epeidh pisteyoyme oti o Proedros ths Dhmokratias prepei na einai yperanw twn diadikasiwn poy aforoyn thn kommatikh kai politikh antiparaqesh. Dystyxws, ta alla kommata den exoyn diatypwsei me safhneia mia analogh, ypeyqynh qesh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o k. Karamanlhs, se sxetikh synenteyjh toy, xqes, sygxeei -skopimws, bebaiws- to qema ths ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me tis ekloges gia thn anadeijh neas Boylhs. Ayto shmainei oti qelei na xrhsimopoihsei to qesmo kai thn eykairia ths diadikasias ths ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, gia mikrokommatikoys logoys. Pisteyoyme oti o shmerinos Proedros ths Dhmokratias -afoy oloi anagnwrizoyn oti askei me paradeigmatiko tropo ta kaqhkonta toy- mporei na einai to proswpo sto opoio qa sympesoyn, qa taytistoyn oi epiloges olwn twn politikwn kommatwn. Kai h Boylh, qa synexisei th qhteia ths kai qa thn oloklhrwsei, mexri to Septembrio toy 2000, opote, pali, kybernhsh kai kommata qa kriqoyn apo ton ellhniko lao. Ayth einai h qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei. Giati, bebaiws, ayth thn wra, antilambaneste poly kala oloi sas oti proexei na synexisoyme ws xwra, me politikh staqerothta, me omalothta, thn prospaqeia mas gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme problhmata, xwris perispasmoys, xwris na mpoyme se mia prowrh proedrologia. Den qa to kanoyme. Ayto to opoio qeloyme na tonisoyme einai h safhs qesh, thn opoia epanalambanw, ths aposyndeshs ths ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo th qhteia ths Boylhs. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000. Proedros ths Dhmokratias -yparxei Proedros ths Dhmokratias, o opoios askei, me acogo tropo, ta kaqhkonta toy, kai epidokimazetai apo oloys- mporei kai pali na einai o k. Stefanopoylos, me thn chfo olwn twn kommatwn ths ellhnikhs Boylhs.

FILHS: Me dedomeno oti oloi gnwrizoyme to syntagmatiko orio gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, ti ejyphretei h anakinhsh, ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gia deyterh fora mesa se ligoys mhnes, qematos poy afora to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias; Qa eixe ena nohma, ean to synedee o Prwqypoyrgos me kapoia protash gia qesmikes h alles allages. P. x. to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy, apo oti diabazoyme shmera, qa htan antikeimeno enos eyryteroy dialogoy gia ton eksygxronismo toy politikoy systhmatos ths xwras. Ti nohma exei na epikentrwnetai sto proswpo toy Proedroy to qema ths proedrikhs ekloghs, tosoys mhnes prin;

REPPAS: Xairomai giati kanete ayth thn erwthsh kai moy dinete th dynatothta na probw stis aparaithtes dieykrinhseis. O Prwqypoyrgos den synedese to qema ths ekloghs toy Proedroy me th qhteia ths kybernhshs kai ths Boylhs. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000, otan symplhrwsei thn tetraeth qhteia ths h kybernhsh. Kai tote, pali, h kybernhsh kai ta kommata qa kriqoyn apo ton ellhniko lao, o opoios, me thn chfo toy, qa kanei tis epiloges ths areskeias toy. Ayto to opoio eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti, asfalws, para polloi skeptontai oti mesolabei h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, ton erxomeno Martio. Pisteyoyme oti den syntrexei logos na dialyqei h Boylh ton erxomeno Martio, doqentos oti o shmerinos Proedros ths Dhmokratias, me ton paradeigmatiko tropo poy askei ta kaqhkonta toy, mporei na sygkentrwsei thn chfo olwn twn kommatwn, olwn twn boyleytwn kai pali. Kai h Boylh na synexisei th qhteia ths kai na thn oloklhrwsei, me tis ekloges poy qa ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000. Ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Oyte qema anakinhse, oyte prospaqhse na syndesei to ena me to allo. Einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Alla, parempiptontws, epeidh yparxei ayto to erwthma -kai einai pragmatiko ayto to erwthma "ti qa ginei, kata th diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias"- o Prwqypoyrgos dieykrinise oti h diadikasia ayth mporei na mhn apotelesei empodio gia th synexish ths qhteias ths Boylhs, efoson ola ta kommata exoyn kaqe logo na yposthrijoyn kai pali ton k. Stefanopoylo gia Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Oydeis exei diatypwsei antiqeth apoch.

FILHS: Yparxei qema allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy se synarthsh me tis epikeimenes politikes ejelijeis;

REPPAS: Den antimetwpizei tetoio qema h kybernhsh. Eimai safhs kai kathgorhmatikos s' ayto.

FILHS: To gegonos oti to Syntagma problepei -kai problepei me omalo tropo, den einai stoixei ektakths ths anwmalhs katastashs- thn parembash toy laikoy paragonta h thn dienergeia eklogwn prokeimenoy na anadeixqei Proedros ths Dhmokratias, apotelei kata th gnwmh sas mikropolitiko texnasma ean prokhryxqoyn ekloges, logw toy oti h shmerinh Boylh den qa mporesei na eklejei Proedro Dhmokratias.

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola h problech ayth toy Syntagmatos yparxei. Kai yparxei gia thn antimetwpish toy endexomenoy ekeinoy kata to opoio den symfwnoyn ta kommata s' ena proswpo, prokeimenoy ayto na anadeixqei me thn chfo ths problepomenhs apo to Syntagma pleiochfias, sth qesh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. To texnasma egkeitai sto ejhs kai einai to texnasma to opoio metaxeirizetai h hgesia ths N. D.: Apo th mia na leme kaloys logoys gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ap' thn allh na leme oti para tayta, para to oti dhladh askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy kai ton timoyme kai ton sebomaste gi' ayto, qa prepei na pame se ekloges, giati pisteyoyme oti qa prepei o ellhnikos laos na epilejei kybernhsh. Dhladh, enw h diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias einai mia diadikasia h opoia apaitei th synainesh twn kommatwn, th synennohsh twn kommatwn h kai th symptwsh toys s' ena proswpo, einai mia diadikasia dhladh, synqeshs kai sygklhshs twn epilogwn twn kommatwn, h N. D. qelei na th metabalei se mia diadikasia dialyshs ths Boylhs. Ayto einai to texnasma gia to opoio kanoyme logo. Emeis leme oti an pragmatika h epilogh se ena proswpo pisteyoyme oti einai orqh, ayto qa prepei na epikrathsei kai na mh sysxetistei me opoioys mikrokommatikoys sxediasmoys aforoyn th dialysh ths Boylhs gia alloys logoys. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

FILHS: Kai o makariths o Papandreoy epleje to egkwmio toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh dyo fores kai dyo fores den ton chfise. Einai allo pragma dhladh na ekfraseis thn ektimhsh soy s' ena proswpo kai allo na to chfiseis gia Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Einai antifash ayto kai malista synepraje stis dyo aytes meqodeyseis kai o nyn Prwqypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas kalesw na afhsete toys istorikoys na gracoyn ekeino to kefalaio ths istorias gia ekeinh thn periodo. Den yphrje opoiadhpote desmeysh toy Andrea Papandreoy gia thn epilogh, oson afora to proswpo to opoio eprokeito na yposthrijei to PASOK tote gia th qesh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Twra, gia prwth fora apo thn kybernhsh, egkairws, epeidh qeloyme na diasfalisoyme ayth th staqerh poreia ths xwras pros to mellon, exoyme pei dhmosiws poia einai h qesh mas. Kai exoyme pei oti se eylogo xrono, otan odhghqoyme pia s' ayth th diadikasia plhsistioi, qa prepei kai ta alla kommata na paroyn qesh. Den to exoyn kanei akomh. Pisteyw na to kanoyn thn katallhlh stigmh, isws meta to Fqinopwro. Giati bebaiws, edw paroysiazetai kai o arxhgos ths N. D. na mila me perissh ypokrisia kai me elleich eyqynhs taytoxronws. Den mporei apo th mia na epainoyn ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai apo thn allh na ypagagoyn thn eklogh toy, se mikrokommatikoys sxediasmoys. Kai ayto kanoyn kai lypoymaste gi' ayto.

FILHS: Synebh dyo fores sto parelqon gi' ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. To tonizw kai pali gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh. Den qa deite komma h Prwqypoyrgo sto parelqon o opoios egkairws kai epikairws na exei labei qesh gi' ayto to qema. Den einai dynaton apo thn allh - to gnwrizete poly kala- o epikefalhs enos kommatos, poly perissotero o Prwqypoyrgos, na diatypwnei arnhtika sxolia gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Alla to qema gia prwth fora tiqetai me ayton ton tropo twra. Kai einai pragmatika shmantiko, to oti polloi paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy diatypwnoyn analoges apoceis. Ayto deixnei oti einai wrimo pia qema sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, oi politikes ejelijeis na einai omales kai h Boylh ayth na oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths to Septembrh toy 2000, prokeimenoy na exei h kybernhsh thn anesh na oloklhrwsei thn efarmogh enos programmatos, poy pisteyoyme pws antapokrinetai stis anagkes ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MIXAHL: H protash toy k. Shmith kai ths kybernhshs toy PASOK gia thn ypochfiothta toy k. Stefanopoyloy o opoios askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy, einai adiapragmateyth gia sas, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den qa mpoyme ayth thn wra, giati einai poly prowro, epipolaio kai epizhmio gia toys qesmoys- se tetoia syzhthsh epi ths oysias. Ayto to opoio emeis leme, einai aplo kai pisteyw poly logiko: Oti den qa prepei h eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias na apotelesei aformh gia th dialysh ths Boylhs, poly perissotero otan oloi anagnwrizoyn oti o nyn Proedros ths Dhmokratias askei me paradeigmatiko tropo ta kaqhkonta toy. Ayto einai to ena qema. Emeis, pantote eixame mia tetoia qesh, gia thn aposyndesh dhladh ths diadikasias ths ekloghs toy Proedroy apo th qhteia ths Boylhs. Antiqeta me ta alla kommata. Gnwrizete oti to 1995 to PASOK, ws kybernhsh, ekane mia yperbash. Yposthrije ton k. Stefanopoylo o opoios den prohrxeto apo ton politiko xwro poy ekfrazei h kybernhtikh paratajh. Pistecame oti einai o katallhlos gi' ayth th qesh. H N. D. kai sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia to Syntagma, ypokritika feromenh, kathgorhse thn kybernhsh oti qelei na allajei th diadikasia ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia kapoia skopimothta, enw h pragmatikothta einai oti h N. D. einai ayth h opoia qelei na emplekei thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias sta ths qhteias ths Boylhs. Tote, malista to 1995 mia kai to anefere o k. Stamatopoylos, kathgorhse ton k. Samara oti chfise ton k. Stefanopoylo kai etsi den eynohse th dialysh ths Boylhs gia na pame se ekloges. Ayto ti apodeiknyei; Apodeiknyei oti h N. D. hqele na xrhsimopoihqei h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia na ephrreastei h qhteia ths Boylhs kai na pame se ekloges.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo eipa. Eipa oti den dexotan allon o Samaras. Gi' ayto ebale ton Stefanopoylo.

REPPAS: H N. D., an qymosaste, kathgorhse tote ton k. Samara -meta ta osa eipe o k. Stamatopoylos, epanerxomai- giati bohqhse dhqen thn kybernhsh na parameinei kybernhsh. Epeidh h N. D. me aformh thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias hqele na dialyqei h Boylh. Na, loipon, poios einai ekeinos o opoios qelei na xrhsimopoihsei thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia mikrokommatikoys logoys.

MIXAHL: Epeidh moy dwsate to logo, to ti egine sto parelqon kai sthn periptwsh toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh kai sthn periptwsh toy k. Stefanopoyloy, osoi gnwrizoyn mporoyn na bgaloyn ta symperasmata toys. Ta kommata exoyn th dikh toys logikh kai ta dika toys krithria. Egw qelw na synexisw loipon, afoy den qelete na mpoyme sthn oysia gia to an einai h oxi adiapragmateyth h qesh sas gia ton k. Stefanopoylo.

REPPAS: Exoyme parei safh qesh s' ayto to qema. An mpw se ena tetoio dialogo mazi sas, einai san na syzhtoyme peri ths ajias toy k. Stefanopoyloy. Alla ayto to exoyme anagnwrisei kai safws exoyme topoqethqei.

MIXAHL: Ef' oson gia sas qelete na jemplejete thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo th dialysh ths Boylhs, kai to epidiwjate mesw ths diadikasias anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, giati h kybernhsh Shmith den hrqe se synennohsh me alles politikes dynameis, isws kamia na mhn antapokrinotan h isws oles na antapokrinontan kai na yphrxe mia synainesh plhrhs olwn twn politikwn dynamewn sthn apemplokh ayths ths diadikasias. Para monon kataqesate thn protash sas. Oysiastika toys eipate h thn dexeste h den thn dexeste. Den thn dexontai ap' oti fainetai. Kai o k. Kwnstantopoylos eipe xqes afoy mporei na parembei o laos giati na mhn parembei. O k. Karamanlhs eipe giati egw na sthrijw mia kybernhsh gia ayto to qema, to exei to syntagmatiko dikaiwma. Giati loipon den phgate se mia syzhthsh synennohshs apo prin, etsi wste na yparxei mia eniaia antilhch gyrw apo to politeiako, na to pw etsi, oytws wste na mhn exei kamia emplokh sthn trexoysa politikh antiparaqesh twn kommatwn.

REPPAS: Me thn erwthsh poy kanate, anagnwrizete loipon oti ola ta alla kommata qeloyn emplokh ths ekloghs gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias tetoia, wste na ephreastei h qhteia ths Boylhs. Ayto eipate oti kanoyn oloi oi politikoi arxhgoi.

MIXAHL: Ayto leei to Syntagma.

REPPAS: To Syntagma leei oti efoson den einai dynath h eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me sygkekrimeno ariqmo chfwn, tote prokhryssontai ekloges. Alla, otan oloi anagnwrizoyn oti o sygkekrimenos Proedros ths Dhmokratias askei me acogo tropo ta kaqhkonta toy, den antilambanomai ws logikos anqrwpos ti einai ayto to opoio odhgei kapoioys na aporriptoyn thn ypochfiothta toy. Mporw na skeftw oti to kanoyn mono kai mono gia mikrokommatikoys logoys, epeidh qeloyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn th diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, gia na prokalesoyn dialysh ths Boylhs kai ekloges, me oti ayto synepagetai. Ayto akribws einai poy eipate kai eseis me thn erwthsh sas, gia na epibebaiwsete ayto poy eipa apo thn arxh, oti oi alloi politikoi arxhgoi, ta alla politika kommata qeloyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, th diadikasia ekloghs gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia mikrokommatikoys logoys. Symfwnoyme ws pros ayto. Oson afora to qema ths epikoinwnias kai ths synennohshs, gnwrizete poly kala oti emeis topoqethqhkame s' ayto to qema kai kalesame kai toys alloys na paroyn qesh egkairws kai epikairws. Kai prepei na sas pw oti ayto kapoia stigmh ek twn pragmatwn qa prokycei. Qa ginei ayth h epikoinwnia prokeimenoy na yparjei mia symfwnia gia to proswpo to opoio qa anadeixqei sth qesh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, me bash, bebaiws, to oti oloi anagnwrizoyn oti o k. Stefanopoylos askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy. Epanalambanw, giati den qelw na yparxei sygxysh h paranohsh me bash ta osa rwthse kai o k. Filhs sthn arxh, oti emeis milhsame gia th qhteia ths Boylhs kai th qhteia ths kybernhshs. Eipame oti o kyklos ayths ths qhteias oloklhrwnetai to Septembrh toy 2000. Epeidh, bebaiws, logika dierwtatai o kaqenas ti qa symbei me thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, leme pws yparxei Proedros Dhmokratias o opoios mporei na synexisei na yparxei gia mia nea 5etia, afoy ola ta kommata, opws politika exoyn ekfrastei, mporoyn na dwsoyn kai thn chfo toys wste na epaneklegei.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: To PASOK, opws lete den qelei na syndesei thn eklogh toy Proedroy Dhmokratias me th qhteia ths paroyshs Boylhs. Kataqesate mia protash gia ton Proedro Dhmokratias, ton k. Stefanopoylo, blepoyme oti yparxoyn antidraseis, ta alla kommata den symfwnoyn kai mas eipate oti endexomenws qa ginoyn kapoies syzhthseis gia to qema toy Proedroy. Apokleiete to endexomeno to PASOK na yposthrijei kapoion allo Proedro ths Dhmokratias poy qa protaqei apo kapoio allo komma, etsi wste na mhn exoyme ekloges to Martio toy 2000;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai ayth thn wra na kanw ypoqeseis. Qa meinw sta dedomena. Ta dedomena einai oti oloi anagnwrizoyn pws o k. Stefanopoylos askei me acogo tropo ta kaqhkonta toy kai epishs ena allo dedomeno einai oti to PASOK, peran toy oti exei anagnwrisei dia logwn ayth th stash toy k. Stefanopoyloy, exei desmeytei oti qa ton yposthrijei stis ekloges gia thn anadeijh neoy Proedroy. Ta alla kommata exoyn dia logwn anagnwrisei to rolo toy k. Stefanopoyloy, alla apo apoch desmeysewn exoyn meinei poly pisw. S' ayto prepei na antapokriqoyn thn epomenh periodo, kaqws qa plhsiazei h wra gia thn eklogh neoy Proedroy Dhmokratias. Pisteyoyme na to kanoyn. Sto plaisio, omws, aytwn twn synennohsewn, bebaiws to PASOK qa exei th dynatothta na syzhthsei me ta alla kommata kai o Prwqypoyrgos me toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys, gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Alla, na meinoyme s' ayto poy einai, ayth thn wra, dedomeno: Oti oloi anagnwrizoyn to rolo toy k. Stefanopoyloy, o opoios askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy. As meinoyme s' ayto twra.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Menontas s' ayto bgazoyme to symperasma oti to PASOK paramenei ametakinhto sthn protash Stefanopoyloy.

REPPAS: To PASOK exei labei sygkekrimenh qesh epi toy qematos aytoy. Kai h qesh ayth einai synephs kai antanakla sthn ektimhsh poy trefoyme pros ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Giati askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy, pragma to opoio dia logwn ekfrazoyn kai ta alla kommata. Enapokeitai, loipon, se ekeina ta kommata na kanoyn ayto poy antistoixei sta legomena toys kai sthn prajh. Einai poly aplo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, lete oti o k. Karamanlhs xrhsimopoiei to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia mikrokommatikoys logoys, gia na prokalesei ekloges. O Prwqypoyrgos den xrhsimopoiei to idio, to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, gia na parameinei sthn ejoysia, sthn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, emeis k. Stamatopoyle, qeloyme na eimaste arketa xronia sthn kybernhsh, me thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qeloyme na eimaste kybernhsh kai toys mhnes, apo to Martio mexri to Septembrio, kai h nea tetraetia mas na arxizei apo to Septembrio kai oxi apo to Martio toy 2000. Qeloyme, loipon, gi` ayto na pame se ekloges to Septembrio toy 2000. Apo thn allh, prepei na sas pw oti ginetai mia prospaqeia, epiteloys s` ayto ton topo na leitoyrghsoyn oi qesmoi, opws prepei na leitoyrgoyn se mia anaptygmenh politika dhmokratia. H qhteia ths kybernhshs teleiwnei to Septembrio toy 2000. Ayto to orio prepei na ginei sebasto kai oi polites, o ellhnikos laos, prepei na klhqei na pei th gnwmh toy, ekeinh th xronikh kai politikh stigmh. Poly perissotero, otan h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias poy mesolabei, mporei na dwsei lysh, oson afora to proswpo epiloghs. Ayto einai to qema.

O k. Karamanlhs, ypokrinomenos, apo th mia milaei me egkwmiastikoys logoys gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, apo thn allh afhnei na ennohqei oti den qa ton yposthrijei gia mia nea qhteia, epeidh akribws qewrei oti prepei na dialyqei h Boylh.

Ma, einai stash ypeyqynoy politikoy arxhgoy, ayth;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To 1996 eixe lhjei h qhteia ths kybernhshs, poy prokalese o k. Shmiths prowres ekloges;

REPPAS: Pantws -an qelete na syzhthsoyme, giati to exoyme syzhthsei ayto to qema arketes fores- o Prwqypoyrgos den enepleje to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias se mia tetoia eklogikh anametrhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti enepleje;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala. Pragma, to opoio hqele h N. D. na ginei kata thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias to 1995. Etsi;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew, to 1996, ti akribws synebh, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala. Ta exoyme pei ayta, kat` epanalhch. Pantws, den exei kamia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Kai afoy me prokaleite kai qelete na meinoyme s` ayth thn koybenta, gnwrizete pws, tote, o k. Shmiths eixe anadeixqei arxhgos toy PASOK apo to Synedrio toy PASOK kai bebaiws, prohgoymenws, Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, me thn chfo ths pleiochfias twn boyleytwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK. Einai logiko, einai qemito, einai dhmokratikotato, an qelete, na epizhthsei kai thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia na kybernhsei. Kai o ellhnikos laos, mesa apo eklogikh anametrhsh, toy edwse thn chfo toy. Kai kybernhse, loipon, kai synexizei na kyberna kai qa synexisei na kyberna me thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oxi mono me thn chfo toy Synedrioy twn melwn toy PASOK h twn boyleytwn ths K. O. toy PASOK. Giati sas kanei entypwsh; Ola ayta, sthn politikh kai sth dhmokratia, pisteyw oti syntairiazoyn apolyta me tis epiloges arxwn poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy tis exete sigoyres tis ekloges, afoy eiste toso sigoyroi, giati den tis kanete; Ti sas enoxlei, dhladh, na ginoyn to Martio anti gia to Septembrio.

REPPAS: Gia na arxisei h tetraetia mas apo to Septembrio. Na kerdisoyme toys mhnes apo to Martio ws to Septembrio. Den to katalabate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, an kerdisete dyo-treis mhnes, ti qa ginei; Afoy eiste toso sigoyroi...

REPPAS: To eipa, prin. Allo qema.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei enhmerwsei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia thn proqesh toy na anoijei, apo twra, dhladh, merikoys mhnes prin, problhma Proedroy Dhmokratias me th diakinhsh toy onomatos toys k. Stefanopoyloy;

REPPAS: Den anoigoyme kanena qema Proedroy Dhmokratias. Ayto poy kanoyme, einai na dhlwnoyme me safhneia oti, kata thn apoch mas, oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000 kai h eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias den qa apotelesei empodio h problhma, wste na dialyqei h Boylh prowra. Ayto leme.

FILHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias, epidiwkei na epaneklegei; To exei syzhthsei me ton Prwqypoyrgo; Qelei;

REPPAS: Den qa milhsw ek meroys toys Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias exei th genikh anagnwrish kai pisteyoyme oti prosferei yphresia sto Eqnos, an synexisei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy kai gia mia nea pentaetia.

KONTELIS: Sxetika me to tajidi toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sto Iran, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs me thn istoria gia amyntikh synergasia metajy Elladas kai Iran;

REPPAS: Den yfistatai qema gia thn ypografh amyntikhs symfwnias, metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Exoyn ginei sxetika dhmosieymata, ta opoia den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Exoyn diaceystei kai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Den yparxei tetoio endexomeno.

KONTELH: Kai stis 12 Ioylioy, ti qa ginei sthn Aqhna; Qa einai mia synanthsh Armenias-Iran-Elladas;

REPPAS: Qa einai mia politikh synergasia, h opoia, edw kai arketa xronia, einai se ejelijh. Einai sto plaisio twn synergasiwn poy exei h Ellada me para polles xwres se olo ton kosmo. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Ayto eleipe twra, sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas, na mhn exoyme kales sxeseis kai na mhn epidiwkoyme th beltiwsh kai anaptyjh peraiterw twn sxesewn aytwn me alles xwres.

GARGALAKOS: Esxatws, diakinoyntai plhrofories kai dhmosieyontai reportaz poy emfanizoyn th "delfinologia" ws fainomeno se ejarsh mesa stoys kolpoys toy kybernwntos kommatos. Exei apasxolhsei ayto to fainomeno ton Prwqypoyrgo; Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: To mono poy exw na pw einai oti oles aytes oi syzhthseis einai aney oysias kai antikeimenoy. En pash periptwsei, einai arnhtiko to fainomeno na epizhtoyn kapoioi antlhsh eidhsewn ektos toy pedioy ths politikhs, otan anaferontai sta politika kommata kai toys politikoys. To PASOK exei sygkekrimeno programma. Exei ejeidikeymenh politikh gia ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Me bash ayto to programma, poreyomaste kai pisteyw oti yparxoyme sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras, oxi gia na yphretoyme toys eaytoys mas, alla th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Kai s` ayth thn proklhsh, to PASOK antapokrinetai me epityxia, an krinei kaneis apo to oti, kat` epanalhch, o ellhnikos laos exei empisteyqei thn chfo toy sto PASOK. Ola ta alla, loipon, einai aney oysias kai antikeimenoy.

KARGOYDH: Dedomenoy oti apo mia prwth diereynhsh twn proqesewn twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, oson afora to qema ths ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, prokyptei oti lene men kala logia gi` ayton, alla den qa ton yposthrijoyn, qelw na rwthsw, an to apotelesma ayths ths prwths diereynhshs ephreazei to synolikotero sxediasmo ths kybernhshs sas.

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme ayth th syzhthsh twra; Qa kanoyme syzhthsh me bash ta dedomena. Den pisteyw oti ta politika kommata exoyn fqasei se ena tetoio shmeio, wste na miloyn me allo proswpo ston ellhniko lao kai thn idia stigmh, na energoyn se teleiws antiqeth kateyqynsh. Ayto, einai poly arnhtikh ejelijh gia thn politikh zwh ths xwras.

Sas eyxaristw.

SHMEIWSH: Logw ths teleths sto Zappeio Megaro, gia th brabeysh Omogeneiakwn Meswn Enhmerwshs, h ayrianh (6-7-99) politikh enhmerwsh qa ginei stis 13.45'.

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