Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-04-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Aprilioy 1999

Geia sas.

* O Prwqypoyrgos epistrefei, shmera, gyrw stis 15.15, apo thn Oyasigkton, meta th Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO, ta apotelesmata, ths opoias ta gnwrizete.

O Prwqypoyrgos kai h ellhnikh antiproswpeia eqesan jekaqara, se oles tis syne driaseis poy phran meros, alla kai stis epafes toys me ta MME, tis qeseis ths Elladas kai gia ta problhmata ths perioxhs kai se oti afora ta alla qemata ths hmerhsias diatajhs. Den gnwrizw an exete s` ayta erwthseis. Exoyn kalyfqei apo tis diadoxikes enhmerwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn ypoyrgwn pros toys dhmosiografoys poy akoloyqhsan thn apostolh.

* Ayrio, sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, yparxei h synanthsh, stis 12.50, me to basiliko zeygos ths Soyhdias, poy pragmatopoiei epishmh episkech sthn Ellada. Stis 13.15, o Prwqypoyrgos paraqetei, pros timhn toy basilikoy zeygoys ths Soyhdias, geyma sto Megaro Majimoy.

Ayta, se oti afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MIXAHL: Yparxei kati allo sxetika me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayths ths ebdomadas;

AQANASAKHS: Den yphrxe kati prosdiorismeno, ews ayth th stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den qa paei na enhmerwsei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

AQANASAKHS: Na perimenoyme na epistrecei o Prwqypoyrgos, k. Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, qa ginei;

AQANASAKHS: Na perimenoyme na epistrecei o Prwqypoyrgos, k. Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na perimenoyme...

AQANASAKHS: Poly xairomai poy to anagnwrizete. Exete allh erwthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokeitai h kybernhsh na epitaxynei thn entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE; Epeidh grafetai tis teleytaies hmeres, kata koron, exete kati...

AQANASAKHS: H entajh sthn ONE ejartatai apo sygkekrimena krithria, ta opoia problepontai sth Synqhkh kai einai gnwsta. Gia na eimai akribesteros, h dynatothta ypobolhs aithshs gia thn entajh proypoqetei thn plhrwsh sygkekrimenwn krithriwn. Gnwrizete oti ikanopoioyntai, hdh, arketa apo ta krithria ayta, opws epishs, omws, oti prepei na synexistei h prospaqeia gia na ikanopoihqoyn kai ta loipa krithria, ta opoia eimaste bebaioi oti mporoyn na ikanopoihqoyn mesa ston problepomeno xrono.

Exoyme pei epaneilhmmena, se oloys toys tonoys, oti h kybernhsh, h Ellada, qelei na entaxqei sthn ONE, ekplhrwnontas ta krithria ayta. H Ellada qelei na mpei sthn ONE "me to spaqi ths". Exoyme balei megaloys stoxoys. Eimaste bebaioi oti mporoyme na petyxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys, an synexisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia. An den diakopei ayth h prospaqeia, mporoyme na petyxoyme. Oi epiptwseis apo thn krish sthn perioxh, ews twra -kai opws exoyn ypologistei- den einai tetoies poy na ephreazoyn h na dhmioyrgoyn entonoys foboys oti mporoyn na ephreastoyn ta sygkekrimena krithria. S` ayto to shmeio briskomaste ayth th stigmh. Shmasia exei h synexish ths prospaqeias gia thn epiteyjh twn stoxwn mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate "an den diakopei ayth h prospaqeia". Ti ennoeite;

AQANASAKHS: Ypoqetiko einai. Einai mia prospaqeia, k. Stamatopoyle, h opoia afora tis qeseis ths kybernhshs, to sxediasmo ths kybernhshs, th stash koinwnikwn forewn. Einai mia synolikh prospaqeia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayth h prospaqeia den einai mono mia prospaqeia ths kybernhshs, einai mia synolikh prospaqeia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai eimaste, pragmatika, eytyxeis, poy ayth th stigmh mporoyme na leme oti oi qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy, olwn aytwn twn xronwn, exoyn piasei topo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa sthn prospaqeia ayth einai kai mia nea ypotimhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Na eiste kala, k. Stamatopoyle, gia thn erwthsh sas, thn opoia gnwrizete oti mporeite na th qetete se opoion kybernhtiko ekproswpo, gnwrizontas thn apanthsh thn opoia pairnete. To mono to opoio qa mporoyse na prokycei apo mia apanthsh dikh moy einai na gracete oti "kata th synhqeia twn kybernhtikwn ekproswpwn, ayto diaceysthke". To lew ayto gia na synennooymaste, edw mesa. Egw den exw kanena logo na mhn apanthsw se opoiadhpote erwthsh. To gnwrizete poly kala.

Alla afoy qelete na qesete ayth thn erwthsh, qa epanelqw ki egw kai qa qymisw posh katastrofologia anaptyxqhke perysi, otan yphrje h ypotimhsh, me thn entajh ths draxmhs, ston eniaio Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Posh katastrofologia yphrje! Sas parapempw sta dika sas grapta, k. Stamatopoyle, kai parakalw, na deite shmera ta apotelesmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den egine ypotimhsh;

AQANASAKHS: H ypotimhsh egine. H katastrofologia, h opoia anaptyxqhke, diaceysthke apo thn poreia ths eqnikhs oikonomias. Me ton idio tropo, qa diaceystei kai opoia nea prospaqeia katastrofologias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai eyxaristhmenh h kybernhsh apo th nea domh toy NATO poy ginetai xwrofylakas ston kosmo;

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h ermhneia sas - sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas. H ellhnikh kybernhsh phre meros stis diadikasies aytes. Einai melos toy NATO. Ejeqese tis apoceis ths, diamorfwse tis parathrhseis ths panw sta sygkekrimena shmeia. Synexizei na qewrei oti h symmetoxh mas sth Symmaxia einai mia anagkaiothta kai prosdiorise o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, sth synenteyjh toy -sthn opoia kai sas parapempw- tis sygkekrimenes arxes, me tis opoies qewrei oti h Symmaxia prepei na leitoyrgei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa s` aytes tis arxes einai kai h genoktonia twn Serbwn;

AQANASAKHS: H "genoktonia", k. Stamatopoyle, einai enas poly eidikos nomikos oros. Sthn Ellada exei xrhsimopoihqei, ews twra, mono apo ton k. Andrianopoylo. Yparxei diafora, anamesa sth genoktonia -nomika- kai sthn eqnikh kaqarsh gia thn opoia exoyme milhsei.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, sth synenteyjh toy, otan rwthqhke, ean me th diakhryjh poy to NATO enekrine, xreiazetai h egkrish, ek twn proterwn, toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, edwse thn ejhs apanthsh: Kapoies xwres-melh qewroyn oti oi energeies poy ginontai twra sth Gioygkoslabia, kalyptontai apo to Symboylio Asfaleias. Emeis qewroyme oti xreiazetai na janapame sto Symboylio Asfaleias...

AQANASAKHS: "Xreiazotan", eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

MIXAHL: Nai, "xreiazotan na janapame sto Symboylio Asfaleias". Einai profanes, loipon, oti dinetai diaforetikh ermhneia se ayth th diakhryjh apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh se sxesh me tis ypoloipes.

AQANASAKHS: To skelos ths erwthshs sas gia tis epixeirhseis sto Kossobo, den aforoyse to neo rolo ths Symmaxias kai th diakhryjh, alla aforoyse thn ews twra katastash. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. H apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to poies xwres qewroysan oti den xreiazotan nea prosfygh sto Symboylio Asfaleias, anaferetai sto oti h peri th nomimopoihsh syzhthsh gia thn epixeirhsh poy brisketai se ejelijh, parapempei se prohgoymenes yparxoyses apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias.

MIXAHL: Einai safes, alla opws antilambaneste ki eseis, h ermhneia poy dinetai sth Diakhryjh einai akribws h idia. Emeis, dhladh, leme oti opoiadhpote energeia qelei na kanei apo edw kai pera, prepei na pairnei thn egkrish toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Kapoies xwres, omws -oi perissoteres kai oi megalyteres- lene oxi, dioti ayto mporei na jeperastei me yparxoyses apofaseis. Qelw na kanw thn ejhs poly aplh erwthsh: Pws h kybernhsh kai genika h Ellada mporei na badisei peraiterw mesa sto NATO, otan h idia dinei mia diaforetikh ermhneia s` ayto poy apofasisan oi 19, apo toy ypoloipoys 18;

AQANASAKHS: Kat` arxhn, ta keimena twn apofasewn einai polyselida...

MIXAHL: Mas proetrece o Prwqypoyrgos na ta melethsoyme.

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti exete prolabei na ta melethsete...

MIXAHL: Den exoyn erqei akoma edw...

AQANASAKHS: Egw ta exw sta xeria moy, alla ki egw den exw prolabei na ta dw, toso analytika, oso qa hqela. Ta keimena einai polyselida kai den einai mono oti einai polyselida einai kai eidika qemata. Einai oti yparxei kai mia diasyndesh me prohgoymena eggrafa, prohgoymena keimena ths Symmaxias.

Exete dikio oti yphrjan diaforetikes ermhneies ws pros to eyros twn dynatothtwn, ean anakalw swsta tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Alla apo oti gnwrizete kai apo ta reportaz, yphrxan dyo diaforetikes apoceis. H mia apoch poy zhtoyse na mhn yparxei kaqoloy emplokh toy OHE kai toy Symboylioy Asfaleias poy eixe yposthrixqei kai apo tis HPA kai h allh apoch poy zhtoyse, se oles tis periptwseis na yparxei apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Stis periptwseis tetoiwn diaskecewn, synhqws, yparxei enas symbibasmos. Etsi, h emplokh toy OHE kai toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, safws yparxei kai sta shmerina keimena, otan malista ginontai oi parapompes sto keimeno, sthn idrytikh diakhryjh toy NATO h sto keimeno toy 1994.

Yparxei ena skelos poy qa mporoyse na qewrhqei oti einai ypo syzhthsh. Afora se kaqe periptwsh, omws, apofaseis me omofwnia twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO kai den qelw na sas parapemcw, ayth th stigmh, as poyme, sthn ermhneia toy Proedroy Sirak, o opoios stis dhlwseis toy -poy diabasate ki eseis- eipe "qriambos gia th Gallia, ta panta me to Symboylio Asfaleias". To fernw ayto, apla, ws paradeigma, gia na deite oti ayta ta eidika qemata poy apaitoyn ermhneies -oi opoies dinontai- diamorfwnoyn to plaisio drashs. Sth synexeia, na exoyme sto myalo mas oti miloyme gia to NATO ws organismo kai thn paroysia kai th drash toy ston 21o aiwna. Ayth h diakhryjh erxetai meta 50 xronia apo thn idrysh toy Organismoy. Filodojei na antejei sto xrono. Kai bebaiws, deste kai th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy peri twn keimenwn, ths pragmatikothtas, twn drasewn, otan aytes analambanontai.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw: anejarthta apo to qema twn ermhneiwn klp., kapoioi dinoyn mia ermhneia, emeis dinoyme mia allh h telos pantws to antimetwpizoyme me diaforetikh optikh to qema. To erwthma einai, an ayth h diaforetikh optikh mas mporei na mas einai odhgos, kateyqynthria grammh gia th leitoyrgia mas kai th symmetoxh mas kai genikotera thn poreia ths xwras mesa sto NATO kai thn Eyrwph. Oti qa eimaste monoi mas h 18, kapws etsi bgainei.

AQANASAKHS: Kat' arxhn kanete mia problech kai mia profhteia oti qa eimaste monoi mas kai oi 18 apenanti. Ayto den einai dedomeno, oyte to jeroyme. Den jerw se poia mellontikh periptwsh anafereste, egw den mporw na mpw sthn ektimhsh mellontikwn katastasewn. Sas lew omws, oti h symmetoxh mas sto NATO h o tropos me ton opoio symmetexoyme s' ayto, ginetai me stoxo thn ejyphrethsh kai twn dikwn mas symferontwn. Kai h symmetoxh mas s' ena tetoio Organismo, opws epaneilhmmena exoyme pei, dhmioyrgei dikaiwmata kai ypoxrewseis. Den jerw an apantw sthn erwthsh sas...

MIXAHL: Kalyfqhka.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anejarthtws twn opoiwn ermhneiwn kai anejarthtws twn opoiwn diatypwsewn yparxoyn sta keimena ta opoia qa doyme bebaiws, einai safes oti me tis xqesines ejelijeis h ellhnikh kybernhsh ypegrace ena xarti, dinontas, egw qa elega en leykw th dynatothta stis HPA, na ermhneyoyn kata to dokoyn kaqe fora, ti leei ayto to xarti s' oti afora th drash toy NATO...

AQANASAKHS: Dikh sas ermhneia, omws, ayth.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Proekyce ayth moy h ermhneia apo tis dhlwseis toy idioy toy k. Klinton, otan rwthqhke xqes gia to qema, opws epishs kai apo tis apanthseis poy edwse o k. Solana sxetika me to neo dogma toy NATO. Kai to erwthma einai, giati ypegrace ena tetoio xarti h ellhnikh kybernhsh, to opoio den kaqorizei -xwris ton kindyno twn parermhneiwn- to ti ypegrace.

AQANASAKHS: Den pairnw kaqoloy ws bash gia thn apanthsh moy ta symperasmata sas h tis ektimhseis sas, tis opoies dikaioyste na kanete, den einai omws anagkastika to ypobaqro ths dikhs moy apanthshs.

Osoi exoyn aisqhsh ths pragmatikothtas ston kosmo kai ths leitoyrgias twn Dieqnwn Organismwn, pisteyw oti katanooyn apolytws tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, tis qeseis ths Elladas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Thn perasmenh ebdomada h Ellada kai h Italia ekfrasane arnhtikh apoch gia to empargko petrelaioy kata ths Gioygkoslabias. Shmera, an den kanw laqos, janasyzhteitai to qema. H Ellada qa thrhsei thn idia stash;

AQANASAKHS: Exete xasei mia synanthsh mas edw. Exw apanthsei gia ta qemata ayta. Shmera syzhteitai to qema toy Kanonismoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe xqes oti oi energeies toy NATO sth Gioygkoslabia kalyptontai apo apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Poia apofash einai ayth;

AQANASAKHS: Den einai ayth h diatypwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas diabazw: "H pleiochfia twn melwn toy NATO qewrei oti oi energeies kalyptontai apo apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias"

AQANASAKHS: Ara, janapeste moy twra ti rwthsate. Ayto poy diabasate twra einai to keimeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poia apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias kalyptetai;

AQANASAKHS: Exete afairesei apo thn erwthsh sas to prwto skelos poy lete oti "o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti kalyptontai" klp.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Asfalws, to eipe. Apo poia apofash kalyptetai;

AQANASAKHS: Janadiabaste, loipon, ti leei o Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipa, apo poia apofash kalyptetai. Egw qelw na maqw thn apofash

AQANASAKHS: Janadiabaste ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Qelw na katagrafei sta praktika. Den paizoyme edw...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipe oti "H pleiochfia twn melwn toy NATO qewrei oti oi energeies kalyptontai apo apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias".

AQANASAKHS: Wraia, qymaste ti rwthsate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia einai h apofash ayth;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxei mia seira prohgoymenwn apofasewn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias poy aforoyn th Gioygkoslabia kai to Kossobo, epiklhsh twn opoiwn ginetai se oti afora tis shmerines epixeirhseis.

O Prwqypoyrgos diatypwse th dikh mas qesh, oti qa protimoysame na teqei jana to qema sto Symboylio Asfaleias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, yparxei apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias poy na leei oti prepei na epemboyn dynameis; Yparxei tetoia apofash;

AQANASAKHS: Apanthsa kai sas parapempw stis sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Den lew egw an yparxoyn h den yparxoyn. Egw epanalambanw th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sas lew loipon, na janadeite thn apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

MIXAHL: H qesh ths kybernhshs ekfrasthke opws mas thn ejhghse o Prwqypoyrgos stis synenteyjeis kai h Synodos Koryfhs toy NATO oloklhrwqhke. Gi' ayth th stash h kritikh twn kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs, meizonos kai elassonos exei anebei tis teleytaies hmeres arketa chla. Ginontai kai synanthseis metajy twn kommatwn kai ekfrazoyn ena koino pneyma, epitrecte moy na pw, pneyma toylaxiston. Egw loipon qelw na sas rwthsw eyqews: Prwton, h kybernhsh skopeyei na exei mia syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn, den jerw me poia morfh, eite ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, eite diadoxika, me dikh ths prwtoboylia panta...

AQANASAKHS: Ti ennoeite; Zhteitai hdh apo toys arxhgoys. Giati pate ena bhma pisw xronika;

MIXAHL: Gnwrizete poly kala, politika oti einai allo pragma o k. Shmiths me to poy erxetai shmera to meshmeri na arxisei na kalei apo to apogeyma h ayrio to prwi toys politikoys arxhgoys kai na toys ejhgei ti egine sto NATO kai poia qesh krathse h Ellada kai einai allo pragma na pei, egw den pairnw ayth thn prwtoboylia, eimai sto Majimoy, opoios qelei as moy xtyphsei thn porta. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo. H kybernhsh protiqetai na kanei to prwto;

AQANASAKHS: Se oti afora to prwto, parakalw na perimenoyme thn epistrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia na doyme an yparxei otidhpote. Oytws h allws paramenei se isxy ayto poy kai alles fores exw pei, oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai sth diaqesh twn politikwn arxhgwn. Omws, opws qesate thn erwthsh sas, parakalw na perimenoyme thn epistrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MIXAHL: Kai ena synafes qema: An ayth h kritikh pleon, h antiparaqesh poy ojynetai, klimakwnetai sas anhsyxei se sxesh kai me tis ejelijeis sto Kossyfopedio, alla enocei kai twn eyrweklogwn.

AQANASAKHS: Emas na anhsyxei enocei twn eyrweklogwn;

MIXAHL: Den jerw...

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn dyo diaforetika pragmata kat' arxhn ws parathrhsh sthn erwthsh sas:

-Yparxoyn ta kommata ekeina ta opoia blepoyn to qema synolika apo mia diaforetikh afethria, eite ayto einai mia qesh poy leei "ejw apo to NATO", eite einai mia allh qesh poy leei "kleiste to Aktio kai th Soyda" eite oti allo. Ta kommata ayta, loipon, proseggizoyn to qema, jekinwntas apo mia diaforetikh afethria. Apoceis sebastes, me tis opoies omws diafwnoyme.

-Yparxei kai h qesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai toy arxhgoy ths, poy enw den paroysiazoyn oysiastikh diaforopoihsh -perimenoyme na doyme thn opoia oysiastikh diaforopoihsh, ean yparxei, gia na doyme an prepei na lhfqei ypoch- epididontai se mia anejodh epiqetikothta kata ths kybernhshs, thn opoia pragmati, o k. Karamanlhs kai stis teleytaies omilies toy sthn Eyboia, prospaqhse na ferei sthn koryfh ths epikairothtas.

Edw exoyme pragmatika na kanoyme me mia plhrh diglwssia.

Na kanw mia parenqesh epi th eykairia: Qymaste, thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, eixa anaferqei s' ena dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "TO BHMA" to opoio periegrafe kata to diko toys reportaz, to pws stis 24 Martioy, sth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, se epipedo Koryfhs, (me symmetoxh toy k. Karamanlh) elhfqhsan oi apofaseis gia to plaisio twn qesewn toy E. L. K. gia to Gioygkoslabiko kai to Kossobo kai pws h monh katagrammenh diafwnia htan apo ton k. Mpilnt kai thn ka Mixahloba. Kai rwtoysa an qa yparjei opoiadhpote apanthsh apo th N. D. Den yphrje. Edw kleinw thn parenqesh.

Yparxei, loipon, mia diglwssia apo th N. D. sthn periptwsh ayth, me mono stoxo kata thn apoch moy, mia prospaqeia mikrokommatikhs ekmetalleyshs enocei twn eyrweklogwn, opws eipate, oxi apodidontas to eseis, alla opws perigracate ayth thn periodo.

Eimai ypoxrewmenos na diaxwrisw th qesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, dioti ypoqetika, alla... poly ypoqetika, h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kapoia stigmh mporei na analabei tis eyqynes ths xwras. Qa mporoysa na parapemcw ton k. Karamanlh sto na diabasei gia paradeigma th synenteyjh toy k. Ebert, to perasmeno Sabbato, sthn efhmerida "ELEYQEROTYPIA". Den to kanw.

Qa qymisw oti eixa pei apo edw thn perasmenh ebdomada -kai eixa diatypwsei thn elpida- oti den qa ypokycei kaneis ston peirasmo na kanei mikrokommatiko emporio toy polemoy. Akomh kai twra, epanalambanw ayth th qesh kai ayth thn elpida:

Elpizw oti den qa apodeixqoyn orismenoi desmioi mikrokommatikoy laikismoy toys kai den qa ginoyn mikremporoi toy polemoy. Elpizw oti qa yparjei epideijh ypeyqynothtas.

H kybernhsh qa synexisei na diamorfwnei tis qeseis ths kai tis apofaseis ths me ena krithrio: Ta symferonta ths xwras.

H N. D., kata thn apoch moy h qa apodeijei oti toylaxiston se tetoia krisima qemata mporei na politeyqei me sobarothta kai na analabei tis eyqynes ths h kata thn apoch moy kai pali, qa katabalei to kostos ths aneyqynothtas, ths abelthrias kai toy laikismoy ths.

Qa sas ferw ena aplo paradeigma se syndyasmo me thn prohgoymenh erwthsh sas poy aforoyse thn tyxon syskech politikwn arxhgwn.

O k. Karamanlhs, tis teleytaies meres, synantatai me toys arxhgoys twn allwn kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs. S' aytes tis ana dyo synanthseis diatypwnontai diafwnies. Den diatypwnontai symfwnies. Kai h monh symfwnia h opoia diatypwnetai einai h apo koinoy qesh toys gia synedriash twn arxhgwn, sthn opoia qa diafwnhsoyn en olomeleia, profanws.

Tetoies diadikasies, profanws exoyn nohma, ean prokeitai na sthrijoyn th qesh ths xwras. Diadikasies kata tis opoies qa briskontai ta kommata gyrw apo ena trapezi gia na katagrafontai diafwnies, den ejyphretoyn, kata thn apoch moy. Kai ayto den shmainei oti den yparxei synennohsh. Alla kamia synennohsh den mporei na odhghsei gia paradeigma to KKE na allajei th qesh toy. Etsi den einai; Einai sebasto ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Genike, ayta poy eipate ola oson afora th synedriash twn politikwn arxhgwn, antanakla kai s' ayto poy zhta epimona h Antipoliteysh ton teleytaio kairo gia sygklhsh Eqnikoy Symboylioy Ejwterikhs Politikhs;

AQANASAKHS: Sto pedio ths diakommatikhs antallaghs apocewn gia ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs yparxoyn qesmoi poy hdh mporoyme na xrhsimopoioyme. Yparxei h Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs, opoy oi syzhthseis einai poly analytikes kai eilikrineis.

Na doyme -kai to exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh- pws ejelissetai ayto, pws ekmetalleyomaste toys qesmoys poy yparxoyn. H ews twra empeiria, se oses periptwseis exoyme epixeirhsei na dhmioyrghsoyme neoys qesmoys diakommatikhs synennohshs, eite ayto afora sta megala erga, tis promhqeies h oti allo, einai oti meta apo mia prwth periodo symmetoxhs, h Antipoliteysh kai kyriws h N. D. apoxwrei systhmatika, kataggellei, bgazei ton eayto ths apejw kai epilegei ton kataggeltiko logo. Eidika sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, ayto qa htan poly pio dysaresto, ean synebaine, ap' oti se ena allo tomea eswterikhs politikhs.

Pisteyw oti exoyme plaisio epikoinwnias kai synennohshs, arkei na topoqetoymaste oloi me sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta.

MPOYATAR: Pote qa arxisei akribws h metafora twn prosfygwn sth Qrakh mesw Qessalonikhs;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw thn akribh hmeromhnia. Mporoyme na to elegjoyme. Einai qema reportaz. Ginontai oi sxetikes proetoimasies.

MPOYATAR: Na to elegjoyme giati eimaste stis epomenes hmeres.

AQANASAKHS: Antilambanomai oti sas endiaferei to qema. Pragmati, ginontai oi sxetikes proetoimasies. Exoyme symfwnhsei oti qa ginei ayth h metafora mesw Qessalonikhs. Qa ginei me ena tropo poy den qa dhmioyrgei sysswreysh prosfygwn sth Qessalonikh kai makra paramonh. H apostash Skopia - Qessalonikh einai peripoy 2,5 wres. Mporei na organwqei se hmerhsia bash ayth h metakinhsh. Gia ton akribh xrono, qa to koitajw kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an isxyei h qesh ths kybernhshs, oti apaiteitai na xyqei apleto fws sthn ypoqesh Otsalan.

AQANASAKHS: To qema ayto brisketai sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayth h qesh;

AQANASAKHS: Bebaiws, isxyei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Efoson isxyei, qelw na sas rwthsw an h kybernhsh protiqetai na peisei toys kybernhtikoys boyleytes na dexqoyn na klhqoyn ws martyres sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph h ka Ntilan kai oi ypoloipes synergatides toy Otsalan, giati opws plhroforoymeqa, oi kybernhtikoi boyleytes antidroyn.

AQANASAKHS: Moy zhtate na eiselqw sta interna corporis ths Boylhs, kati poy apagoreyetai apolytws na to kanw.

KARGOYDH: Mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh, se synexeia ths erwthshs ths kas Mpoyatar gia toys prosfyges: Paramenoyme sth qesh oti qa einai transit;

AQANASAKHS: Nai.

KARDOYDH: Dhladh, oligowrh paramonh sto aerodromio;

AQANASAKHS: Qa yparxei mia organwsh aeroporikhs metaforas. Qa erxontai oi prosfyges apo ta Skopia kai qa phgainoyn sto aerodromio gia na anaxwrhsoyn.

MPOYATAR: Qa erxontai odikws, epomenws.

AQANASAKHS: An htan na fygoyn aeroporikws, apo ta Skopia, ka Mpoyatar, giati na stamathsoyn sth Qessalonikh;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa parakaloysa na sxoliasete thn episkech Etzebit sto ceydokratos toy Ntenktas to Sabbatokyriako, amesws meta malista tis toyrkikes ekloges, o opoios milhse epi pantos episthtoy. Anaferqhke, malista, kai sthn egkatastash twn S-300 sthn Krhth, ypainissomenos, oti h Toyrkia den toys fobatai, exei enallaktikes lyseis. Qa hqela na kanete ena sxoliasmo.

AQANASAKHS: O idios dhlwse oti prokeitai gia mia idiwtikh episkech, gia na jekoyrastei meta thn koyrash twn eklogwn. Ti na elega twra; Na elega gia "ton topo toy egklhmatos" kai "thn epistrofh ston topo toy egklhmatos";

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exete kapoio sxolio sxetika me thn epiqesh enantion twn grafeiwn toy OHE;

AQANASAKHS: Einai energeia apolytws katadikastea, opws kai kaqe paromoia. Kai malista, otan strefetai enantion toy OHE, thn enisxysh toy roloy toy opoioy qeloyme oloi.

ALEJAKH: Mia teleytaia erwthsh gia thn istoria me toys radiostaqmoys...

AQANASAKHS: Exw krathsei kai egw ayto to qema gia to telos. Yphrje mia anakoinwsh, ena deltio typoy apo thn Presbeia ths Omospondiakhs Dhmokratias ths Gioygkoslabias, to Sabbato, se sxesh me th diakoph ths leitoyrgias toy thleoptikoy staqmoy "Ermhs" sthn Katerinh. H anakoinwsh ayth syndeei toys logoys ths diakophs me th metadosh programmatos ths thleorashs ths Serbias. To idio yposthrizei kai ena shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Adesmeytos Typos" toy k. Mhtsh, poy kanei to qema ayto, prwto qema shmera.

Qelw na sas dwsw analytika ta stoixeia sxetika me to qema ayto kai epeidh afora to Ypoyrgeio. Einai apofash poy exoyme parei edw, einai apofash poy exei ypogracei o ypoyrgos Typoy k. Reppas ki egw thn exw synypogracei, kata th seira ths ierarxias. Kai einai pragmatika, oxi mono laqos, alla einai aqliothta na syndyazontai ayta ta qemata. Qa sas ejhghsw amesws giati:

Gnwrizete th megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyme kai th shmasia poy dinoyme gia to qema twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, se oti afora toys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Exoyme pei oti qa katabaloyme kaqe dynath prospaqeia ayto na efarmostei, kai oxi mono -gia na mh speysei kapoios na to pei- epeidh yparxoyn kai sxetika aithmata apo tis HPA gia to qema twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, alla kai h dikh mas politikh, prwtogenws, einai ayth: Ta pneymatika dikaiwmata prepei na ginontai sebasta.

Eixame, loipon, sygkekrimenh kataggelia apo thn Etairia Prostasias Optikoakoystikwn Ergwn, stis 7/12/1998, opws fainetai apo to sxetiko prwtokollo. Anaferotan se parabaseis triwn sygkekrimenwn thleoptikwn staqmwn:

* Sthn periptwsh toy "Ermhs" oi parabaseis aytes eixan ginei ton prohgoymeno Oktwbrio. Nomizw stis 20 h 21 toy mhna. Mporw na to brw akribws.

-Stis 18/12, h Yphresia enhmerwnei ton thleoptiko staqmo gia tis kataggelies aytes. O thleoptikos staqmos den mas stelnei apanthsh, ews tis 14/1/99, opote h Yphresia stelnei deytero eggrafo sto staqmo.

-Stis 15/1/99 -kai epeidh sto deytero eggrafo anaferotan oti, an den apanthsei, an den mas dwsei th dikh toy ekdoxh, qa proxwrhsoyme sto kleisimo toy staqmoy ews tis 19/1- mas stelnei mia apanthsh o staqmos "Ermhs", thn prwth toy antidrash.

-Stis 21/1/99, h Yphresia stelnei eggrafo sthn Etairia Prostasias Optikoakoystikwn Ergwn, me thn opoia zhta na proskomisei ta apodeiktika stoixeia gia thn kataggelia ths, ta opoia kai proskomizontai kai einai magnhtoskophseis twn sygkekrimenwn programmatwn apo tis metadoseis toy staqmoy.

-O "Ermhs" proskomizei stis 2/2/ idiwtika symfwnhtika me etairies-antiproswpoys poy antiproswpeyoyn tis sygkekrimenes tainies, ta opoia ejetazontai apo thn Yphresia- sas diabazw: "Ta proskomisqenta, omws, idiwtika symfwnhtika einai profanws parapoihmena, toylaxiston kata to meros poy aforoyn ta anaferomena sto stoixeio 2 ths kataggelias" k.lp., mporw na sas dwsw thn apofash oloklhrh.

Ayto symbainei, loipon, toys mhnes Flebarh-Marth kai h apofash toy Ypoyrgoy ekdidetai stis 15/4/99, opote kai enhmerwnontai o eisaggeleas kai h astynomia gia th diakoph leitoyrgias toy staqmoy.

-Stis 20/4/99 yparxei h apanthsh ths astynomias kai o staqmos ypobalei aithsh anastolhs sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, stis 21/4/99. Proskomizei de stis 21/4/, sto Ypoyrgeio, bebaiwseis diaforwn thleqeatwn toy oti epaize allo programma ekeines tis hmeres. Syndeei twra thn apofash gia diakoph ths leitoyrgias toy me to Kossobo kai th metadosh programmatwn ths serbikhs thleorashs, thn opoia ypoqetw oti ekane molis tis teleytaies dyo ebdomades kai prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei mia aspida prostasias toy.

Ayta einai ta pragmatika gegonota. Ayth einai h seira twn eggrafwn. Ola ta eggrafa mporoyn na einai sth diaqesh opoioy ta zhthsei gia tis anagkes toy reportaz.

Lypoymai poy kai h gioygkoslabikh Presbeia sthn Aqhna paraplanhqhke apo toys idiokthtes aytoy toy thleoptikoy staqmoy kai ejedwse ayth thn anakoinwsh.

Ta pragmata exoyn etsi, opws sas ta periegraca.

An exei kaneis kapoia aporia h kamia amfibolia, na moy kanei erwthsh twra. Dioti, pragmatika, qewrw aqliothta na syndeetai mia tetoia apofash me thn krish sto Kossobo.

AQANASAKHS: Na prosqesw, epishs, oti apo toys treis staqmoys poy eixan kataggelqei me to eggrafo ths Etairias Prostasias Optikoakoystikwn Ergwn stis 7/12/98, o "ERMHS" einai o deyteros staqmos poy kleinei. Exei kleisei kai o thleoptikos staqmos "Bergina". Gia thn trith periptwsh h diadikasia einai se ejelijh. Yparxei kai mia akoma newterh kataggelia gia tetarto staqmo, h opoia einai ypo diereynhsh.

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