Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-03-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Martioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete oti ayth thn wra o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy tajideyei pros thn Albania. Qa exei synanthsh kai syzhthsh me ton Proedro ths geitonikhs xwras k. Meintani kai ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Maiko. Qema twn syzhthsewn qa einai h prosfath krish, idiaiterws to qema ths paroxhs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos poy exei prokycei apo to megalo kyma prosfygwn pros thn Albania. Bebaiws, idiaiterh shmasia gia emas exei -kai qa syzhthqei ayto to qema- h roh prosfygwn pros ton albaniko noto. Gia to qema ayto, shmera to prwi, ligh wra prin, milhse kai o Prwqypoyrgos k. Shmiths me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias k. Maiko. Epishmanqhke apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, gia mia akoma fora, to idiaitero endiaferon ths xwras mas gia ta perioysiaka stoixeia twn Ellhnwn omogenwn poy prepei na prostateyqoyn apo tis arxes ths Albanias kai en genei, gia th diaxeirish ths krishs apo thn pleyra ths albanikhs kybernhshs, me tetoio tropo, wste na mh qigoyn ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn ths Albanias.

* Ayrio, qa episkefqei ta Skopia o k. Kranidiwths. Epishs, jekina mia periodeia, as thn onomasw etsi, o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Tsoxatzopoylos, o opoios qa episkefqei treis prwteyoyses, to Boykoyresti, th Sofia kai ta Skopia.

Ayta eisagwgikws kai poly syntoma. Eimai sth diaqesh sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poio htan to nohma kai poios apofasise gi` aytes tis synanthseis toy k. Papandreoy me toys prwhn ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn toy PASOK;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy to apofasise.

SOYGLERHS: Eixe prokycei kati, zhthse th gnwmh toys; Gia poio logo to ekane;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto to eidos twn synanthsewn qa epanalhfqei kai ayrio me toys epikefalhs toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn epi kybernhsewn Neas Dhmokratias. Gia ola ta pragmata, yparxei mia prwth fora. Ginontai sto plaisio, oxi aplws ths enhmerwshs allwn politikwn paragontwn apo thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, alla kai ths antlhshs xrhsimwn idewn kai apocewn gia thn kalyterh diamorfwsh ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish poy exei jespasei.

PAPAXRHSTOS: H dieleysh, pro hmerwn, natoikwn strateymatwn eixe to xarakthra ths anqrwpistikhs symmetoxhs se ayth thn krish toy Kossyfopedioy. Anqrwpistikoy xarakthra htan kai h dieleysh toy toyrkikoy aeroplanoy. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean tis epomenes hmeres, exei zhthqei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na parasxei adeia gia paromoioy eidoys anqrwpistikes apostoles.

REPPAS: Apantwntas, xqes, se sxetikes erwthseis eipa oti exoyme eggijei thn orofh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn poy ejarxhs problepotan na metakinhqoyn mesw Elladas pros ta Skopia. O ariqmos twn stratiwtwn efqane, peripoy, tis 11.000. Hdh, exoyn metakinhqei, peripoy, 10.000. H apostolh twn stratiwtikwn aytwn dynamewn htan eirhneytikh. Den eferan tetoio ejoplismo poy qa toys epetrepe na laboyn meros se stratiwtikes epixeirhseis. Eipa, apantwntas se alles erwthseis, oti to kaqestws aytwn twn dynamewn paramenei metewro, afoy einai apofash na mh xrhsimopoihqoyn xersaies stratiwtikes dynameis, sto plaisio stratiwtikwn epixeirhsewn sthn perioxh toy Kossyfopedioy. Apo thn allh, den exei zhthqei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, to epomeno xroniko diasthma, na dielqoyn apo thn Ellada stratiwtikes dynameis, me proorismo tis geitonikes xwres.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ta tanks poy katebhkan, xqes, sth Qessalonikh, meta apo apokleismo -shmeiwnw- toy limanioy, einai eirhneytika;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti kai sthn prohgoymenh fash exoyn dielqei peran twn oplitwn, peran twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn kai tanks kai forthga. Ayta asfalws einai mesa ta opoia xrhsimopoioyn oi stratiwtes gia na antapokriqoyn sthn apostolh toys. Ta tanks, apo mona toys, gnwrizete oti den diaqetoyn boylhsh. Xrhsimopoioyntai apo toys stratiwtes. Mona toys den mporoyn na ektelesoyn apostolh. Ta kateyqynoyn aytoi poy ta xeirizontai. Kalo einai, bebaiws, to syntomotero dynato, na kleisei ayth h krish kai na aposyrqoyn oles oi dynameis. Alla, epanalambanw, oi stratiwtikes dynameis, oi opoies dihlqan apo th xwra mas, htan eirhneytikes.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ti akribws ginetai me to empargko oplwn twn HPA pros thn Ellada, me dedomeno kiolas oti stis 5 Maioy qa syzhthqei sto Kogkreso h ypoqesh ayth.

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neotero, peran twn oswn gnwrizete. Emeis exoyme labei kapoies apofaseis. Den exoyme synanthsei, toylaxiston mexri twra, sxetika problhmata. To ejoplistiko programma ths xwras mas proxwraei me bash ton programmatismo poy exoyme anakoinwsei. Den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto.

ARGYROS: Yparxei aithma apo ta Skopia na dexqoyme prosfyges emeis poy einai hdh sta Skopia kai pote qa fygoyn ayta ta dyo C-130 gia Albania kai Skopia;

REPPAS: Den exei diatypwqei kapoio tetoio aithma. Sas eipa poia einai h qesh mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Gia thn Albania shmera anaxwroyn dyo C-130, to ena ayth thn wra kai to allo liges wres argotera, gyrw stis 16.00, me ena asqenoforo ek twn dyo poy qa steiloyme, me iatrofarmakeytiko yliko, me trofima, me royxa, me alla katallhla efodia, koybertes kl. p.. Epishs kaq` odon brisketai ena komboi megalwn forthgwn poy metaferei ta tmhmata lyomenwn katoikiwn, poy qa egkatastaqoyn sth geitonikh xwra. Ayrio, ena allo C-130 me ton k. Kranidiwth qa kateyqynqei pros ta Skopia, metaferontas analoga ylika.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora thn Ekqesh Anan gia ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata sthn Kypro, opoy o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE afhnei na ennohqei oti sthn toyrkokratoymenh perioxh ths Kyproy den katapatoyntai, sthn oysia, ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. H deyterh afora dhlwseis toy k. Etzebit, o opoios zhta kai pali dialogo me thn Ellada ef` olhs ths ylhs kai ajiwnei ton periorismo toy ellhnikoy enaerioy xwroy sta 6 naytika milia.

REPPAS: Sthn Kypro, epi polla xronia, synexizetai h katoxh enos megaloy tmhmatos toy nhsioy. To tyranniko katoxiko kaqestws apo mono toy apotelei mia banaysh, thn koryfaia katapathsh anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai kati poly perissotero: ths eleyqerias kai ths anejarthsias enos laoy. Oson afora tis qeseis poy diatypwse gia akomh mia fora o k. Etzebit, einai gnwstes. Den diatypwnontai gia prwth fora. Einai shmeio diafwnias metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Emeis, osakis xreiazetai, antimetwpizoyme me syneto, alla apofasistiko kai apotelesmatiko tropotis proklhseis twn Toyrkwn, otan epixeiroyn na amfisbhthsoyn sthn prajh ayto to kaqestws. Ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa stalei bohqeia kai pros th Gioygkoslabia gia toys amaxoys kai an nai, pote kai ti eidoys qa einai ayth;

REPPAS: Eipame apo thn prwth stigmh oti peran ths Albanias kai toy kratoys twn Skopiwn kai sth Gioygkoslabia xreiazetai na stalei anqrwpistikh bohqeia. Eimaste se synennohsh gia ta eidh poy xreiazontai kai gia ton tropo me ton opoio qa prowqhqoyn sth Gioygkoslabia.

EYSTAQIOY: An moy epitrepete, me poioys eimaste se synennohsh;

REPPAS: Eimaste se synennohsh me thn kybernhsh ths Gioygkoslabias. Hdh, prepei na sas pw, o presbhs ths Gioygkoslabias synanthqhke shmera me ton k. Papandreoy. Ki egw ton dexqhka argotera. Yparxei aytos o diaylos epikoinwnias.

KARELIAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, an pera apo th genikh plhroforhsh poy exoyme oloi, h kybernhsh jerei kati perissotero gia thn tyxh twn rwsikwn prwtoboyliwn; Ennow an jerete kati apo thn pleyra ths E. E., ths Germanikhs proedrias, toy NATO h twn Amerikanwn. Yparxei kati poy den gnwrizoyme apo ta MME;

REPPAS: Gia thn prwtoboylia ayth enhmerwqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh, me thn epikoinwnia poy eixe o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Rwsias k. Ibanof. Kai malista, enw htan se ejelijh h synanthsh toy k. Primakof kai ths rwsikhs antiproswpeias me thn hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias. Gia to qema ayto o k. Papandreoy syzhthse kai me alloys paragontes. Me thn ka Olmprait eixe thlefwnikh epikoinwnia xqes kai syzhthse ayto to qema. Den gnwrizoyme kati parapanw, peran twn oswn exoyn anakoinwqei. Fainetai pws oi dyo pleyres apexoyn arketa kai den einai eykolo ayth thn wra na sympesoyn, gia na poyme pws mporoyme na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish. Gia to pote, dhladh, qa stamathsoyn oi bombardismoi kai qa arxisei enas politikos dialogos gia thn ejeyresh lyshs. Gnwrizete oti sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh yparxoyn dyo apoceis oi opoies, enw einai eykolo, isws, qewrhtika na sygkerastoyn, sthn prajh fainetai oti apexoyn poly. H mia apoch leei "elate na syzhthsoyme, gia na stamathsoyme toys bombardismoys", h allh apoch leei "stamathste toys bombardismoys, gia na erqoyme na syzhthsoyme". Ayto einai to problhma, o gordios desmos poy exei dhmioyrghqei. As elpisoyme na yparjei ena "spaqi", makria apo pyrayloys kai aeroplana, poy qa lysei ayton to gordio desmo.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oles aytes tis hmeres, ekfrazontai arketes epifylajeis apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia th skopimothta twn bombardismwn se baros ths Serbias ws pros to apotelesma. Ekeino poy hqela na sas rwthsw einai to ejhs: Giati enw h ellhnikh kybernhsh, para to gegonos oti ypegrace me tis epifylajeis ths na proxwrhsoyn oles aytes oi energeies, den eqese kai ta zhthmata toy Kypriakoy, otan ypegrafe, otan syzhtoyse, me dedomeno oti thn prohgoymenh fora poy eixame symmetasxei -me ton tropo poy eixame symmetasxei sth dynamh toy NATO ston Kolpo, eixame qesei to qema toy Kypriakoy, estw ki an eixame parei apanthseis poy den ylopoihqhkan ek twn ysterwn. To eixame pantws qesei kai eixame zhthsei kati apo toys symmaxoys gia to Kypriako. Twra den teqhke kaqoloy, an den kanw laqos. Giati den teqhke to kypriako;

REPPAS: Den teqhke to Kypriako, dioti ayth thn wra kriqhke skopimo oti den apasxolei th Symmaxia, den einai etoimh na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia, h opoia qa einai xrhsimh kai wfelimh gia to Kypriako. Ayth thn wra h Symmaxia prepei na antimetwpisei epeigontws mia krish. Elhfqhsan orismenes apofaseis. Emeis eimaste melos ths Symmaxias, exoyme sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis logw ayths ths idiothtas mas. Bebaiws, diathroyme tis apoceis mas, oi opoies diatypwnontai dhmosia kai me safhneia gia to poios einai o kalyteros tropos, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish. Den nomizw na qetei kaneis allo qema ayth thn wra, oson afora tis sxeseis ths Elladas me th NATOikh Symmaxia.

ALEJAKH: Kai kati akomh: Se orismenes efhmerides dhmosieyetai shmera oti o Amerikanos presbhs k. Mperns, ekfrazei dysareskeia pros melh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, dioti den ton dexqhke o k. Papandreoy. Exete eseis kapoio tetoio deigma, isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den gnwrizei na exei symbei kati tetoio.

KARGOYDH: H italikh efhmerida "CORRIERE DELLA SERA" dhmosieyei mia synenteyjh toy k. Solana, o opoios problepei termatismo twn bombardismwn prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO. Exei kati ypoch ths h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Synodos Koryfhs toy NATO qa ginei meta apo 25 hmeres. Pisteyw oti einai ena poly megalo xroniko diasthma gia na pei kaneis oti prepei na to dianysoyme, na to ejantlhsoyme, wste na prokycei h lysh. Lysh prepei na prokycei twra, amesws. Eprepe na eixe prokycei xqes. Kai lysh sto problhma mporei na doqei mono mesw ths politikhs odoy, opws epaneilhmmena exoyme tonisei.

KARGOYDH: O k. Karolos Papoylias meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Papandreoy, feretai na exei dhlwsei oti oi ypo diamorfwsh neoi NATOikoi sxediasmoi den problepoyn, kat' anagkh, thn epibiwsh twn Skopiwn, ws kratoys. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme dhlwsei, kat' epanalhch kai oxi mono mia fora, th qesh mas kai gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma me tropo poly safh. Exoyme pei pws qeloyme to kratos twn Skopiwn na synexisei na yparxei me ta synora poy exei shmera. Ayth h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs paramenei kai pisteyw oti einai qesh olwn twn politikwn kommatwn ths xwras mas. Pisteyoyme oti einai qesh symfwnh me ta eqnika symferonta, alla kai ta eyrytera symferonta olwn twn xwrwn sth Balkanikh.

ARGYROS: Otan o k. Shmiths zhthse apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias k. Maiko na prostateysei tis ellhnikes perioysies twn boreiohpeirwtwn, poia htan h qesh toy k. Maiko; Blepei qetika to aithma toy Prwqypoyrgoy h adiaforei;

REPPAS: To qema ayto den teqhke twra gia prwth fora sthn albanikh kybernhsh. Ejarxhs eixe teqei. H albanikh kybernhsh kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres kai shmera dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths k. Maiko edeije oti exei idiaitero endiaferon, prokeimenoy afenos na mh qigoyn ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn ths perioxhs ayths kai afeteroy na mh diataraxqoyn oi isorropies sthn perioxh. Bebaiws, h Albania einai kyriarxo kratos. Apo thn allh qa prepei na lhfqei mia idiaiterh merimna gia thn antimetwpish twn eidikwn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei, logw toy kymatos twn prosfygwn, kai aforoyn toys Ellhnes omogeneis. Yp` ayto to prisma antimetwpizei ta sxetika qemata kai h kybernhsh ths Albanias.

ALEJAKH: Yparxoyn kapoia dhmosieymata shmera, to ena einai stoys "N. Y. Times" kai to allo sthn "Washington Post", opoy afhnoyn anoixto to endexomeno na yparjei ena epomeno stadio xersaiwn epixeirhsewn twn natoikwn dynamewn. Hqela na rwthsw, me dedomeno ton problhmatismo poy ekfrazei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia thn apotelesmatikothta twn bombardismwn, yparxei periptwsh na qesete "beto" se mia kainoyrgia apofash gia xersaies epixeirhseis;

REPPAS: Tetoio qema den exei teqei epishmws sto plaisio ths Symmaxias. Qa epikalestw, isa-isa, dhlwseis poy exoyn kanei gia to antiqeto arketoi ekproswpoi jenwn kybernhsewn, oti den einai diateqeimenoi na laboyn meros se mia anaptyjh epixeirhsewn me th xrhsimopoihsh xersaiwn stratiwtikwn dynamewn. Emeis exoyme dhlwsei oti eimaste kathgorhmatika antiqetoi. Den fainetai ayth thn wra kapoia kybernhsh, apo tis kybernhseis twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO, na exei diaforetikh qesh.

SOYRMELIDHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa qesei to qema twn prosfygwn, na paroyn kai alles eyrwpaikes xwres kai h Amerikh, me dedomeno oti hdh edw pera, ta teleytaia xronia, yparxoyn panw apo miso ekatommyrio anqrwpoi, kyriws Albanoi.

REPPAS: Milwntas gi` ayto to qema, hmoyn kathgorhmatikos. Eipa oti ta ellhnika synora froyroyntai, oti h Ellada den einai xwra ths opoias ta synora mporei na skefqei kapoios oti qa ta dielqei eleyqera kai anempodista. Akoloyqoyme ayth thn politikh ths paroxhs kaqe eidoys bohqeias stis geitonikes xwres, prokeimenoy na sygkrathqei ekei to kyma twn prosfygwn. To qema ayto -epeidh den afora mono thn Albania, to kratos twn Skopiwn h thn Ellada, alla einai dieqnes qema- to exoyme qesei kai sta organa ths E. E. Exoyme milhsei me thn epikefalhs ths Ypaths Armosteias thn ka Ogkanta, exoyme milhsei me thn ka Ema Mponino, thn armodia gia ta sxetika qemata Epitropo, kai sto plaisio ths synedriashs twn monimwn antiproswpwn, sto COREPEER opws onomazetai, exoyme zhthsei to qema twn prosfygwn poy exei prokycei sthn perioxh, meta thn krish sto Kossyfopedio, na antimetwpistei apo thn E. E. ws ena dieqnes zhthma, sto opoio oloi prepei na exoyme qetikh symbolh, prokeimenoy na lyqei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Apanthsh exoyme parei, ews twra, s` ayto k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Symfwnoyn oti ayth einai h swsth bash gia na antimetwpistei to problhma kai ayto shmainei oti qa laboyn metra kai ekeinoi.

Eyxaristw poly.

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