Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-03-04

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Martioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela na rwthsw an qa yparjei kapoio diabhma, kapoia antidrash sxetika me tis aerofwtografhseis toyrkikwn aeroskafwn sthn Krhth.

REPPAS: Xqes, pragmati eixame parabaseis twn kanonwn ths enaerias kykloforias sthn eyryterh perioxh. Den eixame parabiash toy enaerioy xwroy. Ola ayta ta stoixeia syllegontai, apotypwnontai kai en synexeia ginontai oi endedeigmenes diplwmatikes energeies. Ayto qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Exei ginei apo tis armodies yphresies kai h ektimhsh ayth, oti kapoia toyrkika maxhtika eferan thn aparaithth ypodomh, to sxetiko ejoplismo, wste na einai ikana na kanoyn fwtografhseis aytoy toy eidoys. Ayta, epanalambanw, qa antimetwpistoyn dia ths kanonikhs diplwmatikhs odoy, opws se analoges periptwseis.

KARASABBA: Dhladh, na perimenoyme kati entos ths hmeras, kapoio diabhma;

REPPAS: Entos ths hmeras den nomizw. H syllogh twn stoixeiwn kai h tekmhriwsh toy diabhmatos apaitei ena sxetiko xrono.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes edw sto briefing apanthsate se mia erwthsh poy elege -basizomenh se thlegrafhma toy APE- oti o Toyrkos yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eixe xarakthrisei thn organwsh 17 Noembrh ws komma toy ellhnikoy kratoys...

REPPAS: Enw einai "kommati". Ayto to eida meta se neo deltio me epanorqwsh.

FILHS: Den apeyqynw kapoia kathgoria. Aplws, qa hqela na jerw ti akribws einai. Einai "kommati" telikws;

REPPAS: Eida na anaparagetai se oles tis ekdoseis kai se oloys toys tonoys ws "komma", enw sto deytero thlegrafhma eida na anaferetai ws "kommati". Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh, h opoia eteqh me xrhsimopoihsh ths lejhs, thn opoia kai egw elaba ws bash gia na dwsw thn apanthsh moy.

FILHS: Epishs, o Toyrkos ajiwmatoyxos me enan emmeso tropo, sygkrinontas thn Ellada me th Syria kai tis sxeseis poy exei h Toyrkia me th Syria, ypoballei thn idea enos dialogoy. Twra ti dialogo zhtoyn...;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto apanthsa xqes.

FILHS: Epimenete se ayth thn apanthsh;

REPPAS: Epimenw sthn apanthsh, thn epanalambanw aytoysia kai atofia.

KIAOS: Gia thn ypoqesh, en genei, toy Kossyfopedioy: Poy briskontai ta pragmata ayth th stigmh, pws diakinoyntai strateymata, poy briskontai, se poio shmeio dhladh exoyn ftasei, ti perimenoyme, ti plhrofories exei h kybernhsh; Sas rwtw gia ola, epeidh apoteloyn enan eniaio kyklo. Ti plhrofories yparxoyn apo thn omada epafhs, gia epembaseis kai tetoia;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn krish sto Kossyfopedio, gnwrizete oti ayth thn wra trexei mia proqesmia poy exei doqei, mexri tis 15 Martioy, wste na synafqei h telikh symfwnia. Exei ginei shmantikh proodos. Yparxei ena prwto tmhma symfwnias metajy twn emplekomenwn pleyrwn. Pisteyoyme oti qa ajiopoihqei ayth h periodos kai telikws qa yparjei symfwnia, prokeimenoy na apofygoyme peraiterw entash ths krishs sthn perioxh, me oti dysmenes mporei na akoloyqhsei se ayth thn periptwsh.

Gnwrizw oti exei dhmioyrghqei ena problhma, me stratiwtikes dynameis gia thn asfaleia twn parathrhtwn, oi opoies eixan egkatastaqei sto kratos twn Skopiwn. Epeidh elhje h proqesmia poy eixe problecei to Symboylio Asfaleias, prokeimenoy na doqei h adeia egkatastashs se ayth thn omada sto kratos twn Skopiwn, h Kina h opoia einai melos toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, den symfwnei me thn ananewsh ths entolhs, sthn epektash dhladh ths xronikhs diarkeias ayths ths adeias. Gi` ayto akribws exei dhmioyrghqei ena nomiko keno. Epeidh h Kina parameinei se ayth th qesh, den qa ananewqei h entolh stis dynameis aytes kai prepei na apoxwrhsoyn. Ayth thn wra den askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys oi andres poy briskontai ekei. Einai mia ejelijh h opoia exei yparjei tis teleytaies hmeres. Kata ta alla anamenoyme na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ayth kai na prokycei symfwnia. Einai kati poy to eyxomaste.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Mia dieykrinish: Ap` oti katalabainw mas eipate oti den egine aerofwtografhsh, etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Eipa oti oi armodies yphresies, me bash thn ereyna poy ekanan, me thn texnikh dynatothta poy exoyn na diapistwnoyn tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes apo diafora maxhtika aeroskafh, exoyn katalhjei sto symperasma oti ta aeroskafh ayta eferan ejoplismo kai eixan th dynatothta na kanoyn aerofwtografhseis. To an ekanan h oxi einai kati to opoio den mporeis na to gnwrizeis. Gnwrizeis, me bash tis dynatothtes elegxoy poy exeis, to an eferan ton aparaithto ejoplismo, wste na exoyn thn ikanothta na kanoyn aerofwtografhseis. Ayth einai h ektimhsh twn armodiwn yphresiwn.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Syggnwmh, epeidh den parabiasan ton ellhniko enaerio xwro.

REPPAS: Milhsa gia parabaseis twn kanonwn ths enaerias kykloforias kai ayto exei th shmasia toy.

ARGYROS: Poio einai to antikeimeno ths ektakths synedriashs toy KYSEA shmera to meshmeri;

REPPAS: H synedriash ayth toy KYSEA einai atyph. Qa asxolhqei me thn epilogh kai to diorismo toy neoy epikefalhs ths EYP. Qa ginei shmera to meshmeri. Ayto einai to qema gia to opoio qa sygklhqei to organo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o epikefalhs ths EYP diorizetai me apofash toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, ths kas Papandreoy en prokeimenw. Epeidh h ka Papandreoy exei eishghqei ena neo plaisio epiloghs kai diorismoy toy epikefalhs ths EYP, exei proteinei sygkekrimena na ginetai apo to KYSEA, qa proxwrhsei shmera to KYSEA sthn epilogh toy proswpoy kai qa dwsei, me th dikh toy politikh apofash kai kalych, thn kateyqynsh sthn ka Papandreoy gia na probei sto sxetiko diorismo. Epikeitai nomoqetikh prwtoboylia h opoia qa analhfqei amesws, prokeimenoy na allajei to nomiko plaisio, wste kai typikws pleon me kanonikh epishmh synedriash toy to KYSEA na apofasizei kai na epilegei ton epikefalhs ths EYP.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh qa exoyme to onoma shmera;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Meta th synedriash qa gnwrizete to onoma.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti einai atypo, gi` ayto rwtw.

REPPAS: Ayto akribws eipa. Eipa oti sth synedriash ayth qa lhfqei apofash poy qa exei enan politiko xarakthra. Qa dinei thn politikh kalych, thn politikh kateyqynsh sthn ka Papandreoy na topoqethsei ena sygkekrimeno stelexos ws epikefalhs ayths ths yphresias. Den qa einai apofash toy KYSEA typikws. Qa einai apofash ths armodias ypoyrgoy. Alla h apofash ths armodias ypoyrgoy qa einai mia apofash h opoia qa exei lhfqei se ayto to KYSEA, sthn atyph synedriash toy, enocei allaghs toy nomikoy plaisioy.

KIAOS: Mhpws se ayth thn allagh th nomoqetikh kai toy nomikoy plaisioy poy lete oti prokeitai na proxwrhsete, skefteste na akoloyqhqei h diadikasia kai gia tis proslhceis twn Proedrwn organismwn, DEKO k. lp.; Mia analogh diadikasia, na pernaei dhladh apo akroash apo th Boylh;

REPPAS: Den einai ayto to montelo, to opoio qa isxysei gia thn periptwsh ths EYP.

FILHS: Yparxei eishghsh na einai politiko proswpo kai oxi apostratos h ajiwmatikos o neos arxhgos ths EYP;

REPPAS: Gia mia tetoia neyralgikh yphresia prepei na epilegei o kalyteros. Exei mikroterh shmasia, poia einai h proeleysh toy, poia einai h yphresia sthn opoia yphrethse, sto dhmosio h ton idiwtiko tomea. Nomizw oti ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na epilegei o kalyteros. An pragmatika h epilogh afora ena stelexos to opoio exei thn ikanothta kai sygkentrwnei oles tis proypoqeseis gia na antapokriqei sto rolo toy, ayto einai poy exei shmasia kai den qa ejetastei apo poion tomea proerxetai h poia idiothta eixe mexri twra. Pantws, exoyn ginei sxetikes anakoinwseis, apo thn prwth stigmh, poy proekyce to sxetiko qema, gia thn anagkh rizikhs anadiorganwshs ths EYP. Pros thn kateyqynsh ayth qa kinhqei h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

FILHS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na dwsei thn yphresiakh ekqesh poy exei syntajei o presbhs k. Kwstoylas, sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs, ekqesh poy anaferetai sta osa eginan kata th diarkeia twn skoteinwn aytwn gegonotwn sthn presbeytikh katoikia sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: Opws exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, h kybernhsh epiqymei na xyqei apleto fws se ayth thn ypoqesh. Ola ta stoixeia ta opoia einai xrhsima prokeimenoy na ekdoqei ena diafwtistiko kai dikaio porisma, qa einai sth diaqesh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Symplhrwnw, omws, oti o k. Kwstoylas exei hdh kataqesei sth Dikaiosynh, ara h martyria toy yparxei. Einai apotypwmenh kata ton pleon epishmo kai egkyro dikonomika tropo. Me ayth thn ennoia, ola ta stoixeia ta opoia qa prepei na lhfqoyn ypoch einai sth diaqesh twn armodiwn arxwn gia na ekdwsoyn tis apofaseis toys.

FILHS: Blepoyme oti yparxei mia parallhlh dikastikh ereyna, dhladh, ginetai ereyna kai apo thn taktikh dikaiosynh kai apo th stratiwtikh dikaiosynh, logw toy oti o k. Kalenteridhs einai kai en energeia ajiwmatikos. Pws qa yparjei diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn poy katatiqentai sth mia kai sthn allh ereyna; Poia diadikasia problepetai, qa yparjoyn kapoia porismata kai apo tis dyo ereynes;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws h ypoqesh ayth den einai mia kaqhmerinh, mia synhqismenh ypoqesh. Apo kei kai pera, oi martyres kataqetoyn -etsi pisteyw akradanta- thn idia martyria, ta idia pragmata, anejarthta apo to poy kanoyn thn kataqesh toys. Den mpainei, loipon, qema diastayrwshs stoixeiwn gia to ti exoyn kataqesei, eite sth mia yphresia, eite sthn allh. Einai ta idia pragmata. Ara, einai se gnwsh, kaqe fora, twn armodiwn yphresiwn ta stoixeia ekeina poy prepei na gnwrizoyn. Yparxoyn kapoia texnika qemata poy isws prokycoyn sthn poreia twn ereynwn. Pisteyw oti qa antimetwpistoyn analoga. Giati opws swsta eipate, qa prepei ola ta stoixeia poy exoyn sxesh me ayth thn ypoqesh na teqoyn sth diaqesh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Einai adianohto h Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs na mhn exei to synolo twn stoixeiwn poy apartizoyn ayto to fakelo. Qa ta exei. Kai oi eisaggeleis kanoyn sxetikh ereyna kai, bebaiws, symfwna me ton Kanonismo leitoyrgias ths armodias yphresias, h stratiwtikh dikaiosynh kanei th dikh ths ereyna. Aytes oi ereynes den einai se apoklinoyses poreies. Qa elega oti se megalo baqmo taytizontai, giati aforoyn martyries twn idiwn proswpwn. Oi martyries idiwn proswpwn, einai omoies martyries.

FILHS: Dhmosiografikes plhrofories anaferoyn oti o k. Kalenteridhs edwse kapoia poly shmantika stoixeia apo tis magnhtofwnhmenes synomilies poy eixe apo tis hmeres poy htan sto Nairompi,. sth stratiwtikh dikaiosynh -ayto epeleje- kai oxi sthn taktikh dikaiosynh. Den prokyptei ena qema enhmerwshs ths taktikhs dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Prwta-prwta den qa mpoyme ston peirasmo na sxoliasoyme, epi ths oysias, ti exoyn pei stis kataqeseis toys oi klhqentes na kataqesoyn. Ayto einai kati to opoio qa to plhroforhqoyme otan erqei h katallhlh stigmh. Apo kei kai pera elpizw oti o kaqenas kanei ayto to opoio pisteyei orqo, prokeimenoy na symbalei sthn plhrh dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs. Yparxoyn kai oi armodies yphresies, oi opoies epilambanontai kai krinoyn, an o tropos me ton opoio o kaqenas epeleje na einai parwn, einai orqos h oxi. Ayto pisteyw oti einai kati to opoio qa ektimhqei, epishs, thn katallhlh stigmh. Ayth thn wra poy einai se ejelijh h ereyna se diafora epipeda, emeis kalo einai na anamenoyme thn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn ereynwn.

FILHS: O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Giannopoylos, se ejwdiko poy esteile sto radiofwniko staqmo PLANET, kai to opoio koinopoiei kai ston Eisaggelea, qetei ena qema dysfhmishs toy, oxi proswpika, alla ws meloys ths kybernhshs, epeidh o staqmos metadidei mhnymata akroatwn me antikybernhtiko periexomeno. Symmerizeste ayth thn eyaisqhsia toy k. Giannopoyloy kai thn taktikh toy na koinopoiei ston Eisaggelea ena qema politikhs kritikhs;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos zhthse plhroforiaka stoixeia, ej oswn plhroforhqhka kai egw apo tis efhmerides, me ena aithma to opoio aphyqyne se sygkekrimeno radiofwniko staqmo. Den exw ypoch moy thn ekpomph kai to ti elexqh se aythn. Mporw, omws, me bash mia eikona poy exw kai egw gia ta osa legontai aytes tis hmeres, na pw oti pragmati exoyn ginei polles yperboles kai yparxei mia ceydologia, h opoia den dexomai oti einai politikh kritikh. Einai mia ceydologia, h opoia einai skopimh kai en gnwsei ths analhqeias kateyqynetai apo orismenoys, mono kai mono, gia na dhmioyrghqei ena qema, to opoio den afora mono thn kybernhsh se teleytaia analysh, afora th xwra, afora th dhmosia zwh. Me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyw oti logiko einai kaqenas o opoios qelei na plhroforhqei sxetika stoixeia poy qewrei oti ton aforoyn, na katafeygei sthn anazhthsh aytwn twn stoixeiwn. Den qa prepei na ton kathgoroyme, na ton enoxopoioyme gi ayto.

FILHS: Kai ston Eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti exei ginei anafora ston Eisaggelea.

FILHS: Exei koinopoihqei to ejwdiko ston Eisaggelea.

REPPAS: Oi armodioi Eisaggeleis an qewroyn oti yparxei qema, mporoyn na epilhfqoyn. Apo kei kai pera den gnwrizw na exei katafygei se Eisaggelea opoiosdhpote, prokeimenoy na askhsei kapoia dikaiwmata toy enantion allwn sympolitwn. Yparxei mia entonotath politikh antiparaqesh. Se kapoio baqmo kai se orismenes periptwseis den yparxei politikh antiparaqesh. Yparxei -qa elega- mia skopimh prospaqeia, mia dolia prospaqeia na plhgoyn proswpa kai foreis, opws einai kai h kybernhsh.

PARIS: Ki eseis kai alla melh ths kybernhshs tis teleytaies hmeres exete diaceysei oti h Ellada exei zhthsei pio elastika krithria oson afora ton plhqwrismo gia thn entajh mas sthn ONE. Par` ola ayta to reportaz anaferei oti to qema exei teqei stis Bryjelles me ton alfa h to bhta tropo kai apo thn Trapeza ths Elladas kai apo thn kybernhsh. Einai dedomeno oti h eisodos mas sthn ONE, oson afora ton plhqwrismo, qa einai sygkrisimh me to meso oro twn 11 kratwn h me kapoia allh meqodo;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes, se ayto to qema. Emeis den phrame kamia prwtoboylia, den egeirame emeis ayto to qema. H Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph diatypwsan arxika ayto ton problhmatismo, epeidh, pleon, einai allos o tropos metrhshs twn megeqwn kai twn krithriwn. Twra exoyme 11 xwres sth zwnh toy EYRW, den exoyme 15 xwres. O ypologismos, loipon, ginetai diaforetika. Aytos o problhmatismos, o opoios anaptyxqhke stamathse se ena orismeno shmeio. Den katelhje se kapoia symperasmata, se kapoies apofaseis, se kapoies epiloges diaforopoihshs ths politikhs, oson afora ta krithria. Emeis exoyme pei oti sto xronodiagramma poy exoyme ejaggeilei qa katorqwsoyme na entaxqoyme sthn ONE.

KIAOS: Me ton k. Mhtsotakh o k. Papandreoy syzhthse to "Kossyfopedio" xqes;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn. Exw thn plhroforhsh poy exete ki eseis apo tis dhlwseis poy eginan dhmosiws. Alla nomizw oti exei graftei pws h syzhthsh epektaqhke genikotera se qemata ths perioxhs.

FILHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia th baqmologia enos gallikoy periodikoy, opoy emfanizei ton Ellhna Epitropo proteleytaio...

REPPAS: Kaqenas exei th gnwmh toy. Egw exw diaforetikh gnwmh.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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