Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia thn apostolh epistolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys omologoys toy twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E., xqes. Argotera, afoy paralhfqei apo toys Prwqypoyrgoys twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E., qa doqei kai sth dhmosiothta. Pisteyoyme pws h epistolh ayth mporei na apotelesei th bash gia th synennohsh poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys omologoys toy, kata thn epikeimenh Synodo Koryfhs sth Bonnh. Einai mia syntomh epistolh, ligo megalyterh ths mias selidas, poy epanalambanei tis ellhnikes qeseis, gia to qema poy exei prokycei, th dikaih antimetwpish toy Ampntoylax Otsalan.

* Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, to apogeyma, gia th Bonnh, prokeimenoy na labei meros sthn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs.

* Prepei na pw, epeidh akoyw oti diatypwnontai diafores ekdoxes gia th metafora twn pente politwn apo thn presbeia sto Nairompi, to ejhs: Eipame kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres -to epanalambanw- oti oles aytes oi kinhseis apaitoyn megalh prosoxh kai oi xeirismoi prepei na ginoyn me tetoio tropo wste na exoyme ena asfales apotelesma. Den prokeitai na qysiasoyme ayto to apotelesma en onomati ths opoiasdhpote epispeyshs. Qeloyme na exoyme to kalytero apotelesma, oso ginetai pio grhgora. Alla, ayth thn wra, einai akomh se ejelijh oi synennohseis, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme oroys kai eggyhseis, wste na einai asfales to apotelesma. Gi` ayto parakalw -kai oi synadelfoi sas oi opoioi briskontai sto Nairompi ki eseis edw, oi opoioi exete kaqe dikaiologhmeno endiaferon na asxoleiste me to qema- na proseggizoyme to qema me tropo poly prosektiko. Gia oles tis kinhseis, tis synennohseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs qa doqei plhrhs enhmerwsh. Einai apofash ths kybernhshs kai toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn na doqei plhrhs enhmerwsh gia to pws h ellhnikh kybernhsh xeirizetai ayto to qema. Alla ayto qa ginei thn katallhlh stigmh. Elpizoyme oi diadikasies na oloklhrwqoyn me epityxia kai na exoyme, telika, mia epityxh ekbash se ayth thn epixeirhsh, h opoia, opws antilambaneste, exei polles dyskolies.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Diadikastika erwtw. Mporeite na mas peite pote qa epistrecei o Prwqypoyrgos, pote qa janafygei kai pote qa janaepistrecei;

REPPAS: Exw milhsei gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Epanalambanw oti qa gyrisei ayrio arga to brady, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths Synodoy kai afoy paraxwrhsei thn kaqierwmenh synenteyjh Typoy. Thn Kyriakh qa labei meros stis diadikasies gia thn eklogh twn synedrwn en ocei toy Synedrioy toy PASOK kai to apogeyma ths idias hmeras qa anaxwrhsei gia to Milano me thn antiproswpeia toy PASOK, gia tis ergasies toy Synedrioy toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme kathgorhsei para polles fores thn Toyrkia gia parabiash twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Ki eseis o idios exete anaferqei merikes fores. Hqela na rwthsw ti nohma exei ayth h epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys eyrwpaioys hgetes, me thn opoia zhtei dikaih dikh -ayto profanws ennoeite, etsi; - otan o Otsalan einai sta xeria twn Toyrkwn kai otan emeis oi idioi exoyme paradextei oti den efarmozetai ena kaqestws dikaioy se polles periptwseis sthn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Kata th gnwmh sas, loipon, den exei qesh kai h dhlwsh ths E. E., opws ayth ekdoqhke, meta to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, thn prohgoymenh Deytera. Kata th dikh sas apoch den xreiazetai pleon na anaferomaste se ayto to qema, epeidh h opoia piesh sthn Toyrkia h h anafora sthn anagkh na sebastei ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai toys kanones dikaioy einai xwris antikrysma. Pisteyw oti isa-isa to oti h Toyrkia arneitai systhmatika na symmorfwqei me th dieqnh ennomh tajh, ayto shmainei oti emeis kai oles oi xwres ths E. E. prepei enteinontas thn prospaqeia mas kai ayjanontas tis pieseis mas na odhghsoyme thn Toyrkia sto na sebastei aytoys toys kanones me toys opoioys leitoyrgei h E. E.. Kai pisteyoyme oti h dieqnhs koinothta mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata ths, diapistwnontas oti se ena eidiko kai krisimo zhthma h Toyrkia den antapokrinetai stis prodiagrafes me tis opoies leitoyrgoyn oi xwres ths E. E.. Kai ayto einai kati to opoio odhgei sthn ejagwgh poikilwn symperasmatwn gia th genikoterh katastash, h opoia yparxei ayth thn wra sthn Toyrkia.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kat` arxhn den eipa oti "den exei nohma". Aplws, rwthsa, kata th dikh sas gnwmh "ti nohma exei", gia na to dieykrinisoyme.

REPPAS: Malista.

ALEJAKH: Ena deytero erwthma: Exei sebastei h Toyrkia ta chfismata toy OHE gia thn Kypro; Den exei bgalei o OHE, dieqnhs organismos, tosa chfismata gia to Kypriako; Sebasthke kati, h Toyrkia, gia na sebastei twra; Ayth einai h aporia moy. Eseis pisteyete oti qa sebastei ayth thn anakoinwsh twn eyrwpaikwn kratwn;

REPPAS: Egw pisteyw oti prepei oloi na synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas, akomh kai an h Toyrkia antidra me tropo arnhtiko se aytes tis pieseis h tis ypodeijeis, prokeimenoy na sebastei to Dieqnes Dikaio. Giati, prwton ayto epiballei to xreos mas kai deyteron, giati pantote prepei na elpizoyme oti oi pieseis aytes qa feroyn apotelesma. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, an h Toyrkia parameinei se mia tetoia stash, ektiqetai h idia akomh perissotero kai h idia kaqistatai akomh perissotero ypologh apenanti sth dieqnh koinothta Den antilambanomai poio einai to nohma tetoiwn erwthsewn, doqentos -qa moy epitrecete na pw kyria Alejakh- oti di` aytoy toy tropoy qa mporoyse kapoios na pei oti prepei na zhthsoyme na apoblhqei apo ton OHE h Toyrkia. Den nomizw oti qetei kaneis ena tetoio qema.

ALEJAKH: Oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi einai sthn Kenya twra, sthn ellhnikh presbeia, oi treis Koyrdises, o Sabbas Kalinteridhs kai -emmesws plhn safws- o presbhs mas, afhnoyn yponoies oti ligo-poly exoyme "poylhsei" ton Otsalan. Qa deite stis synenteyjeis toys kai qa hqela ena sxolio gyrw apo ayto, giati den ta leme emeis, aytoi ta lene. Jexwra apo ton presbh, oi Koyrdises kai o Kalinteridhs oloi lene, afhnoyn yponoies, oti exoyme "poylhsei" ton Otsalan kai oti etoimazomaste na "poylhsoyme" kai toys idioys. Emas mas esteilan ki ena binteo sthn "AQHNAtKH", sto opoio lene sygkekrimena pragmata. Exete na peite kati gi` ayta poy lene aytoi oi anqrwpoi oti "poylhsame" ton Otsalan kai qa "poylhsoyme" kai toys idioys;

REPPAS: Kaqe tetoio yponooymeno, kaqe tetoios isxyrismos, apotelei aqliothta. Einai pantelws asthriktos kai adikei katafwra thn Ellada kai thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, doqentos oti eixame thn proqesh na prosferoyme bohqeia, me ton kalytero tropo, ston Ampntoylax Otsalan, alla dystyxws h ejelijh ayths ths ypoqeshs htan kakh gia logoys poy den exoyn sxesh me epiloges ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, h opoia klhqhke -epanalambanw- na antimetwpisei ena qema otan pia eixe dhmioyrghqei. Apo ekei kai pera, oloi oi paragontes poy exoyn amesh h emmesh emplokh se aythn ypoqesh, pisteyw oti, sto plaisio twn ereynwn poy einai se ejelijh, qa klhqoyn na kataqesoyn th dikh toys martyria. H martyria ayth asfalws qa lhfqei ypoch, prokeimenoy na lamcei h alhqeia. H kybernhsh epiqymei na lamcei h alhqeia kai gi` ayto akribws exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies sthn kateyqynsh ayth. Giati, h kybernhsh gnwrizei poia einai h alhqeia, den exei tipota na fobhqei kai pantws einai kathgorhmatikh h qesh oti h kybernhsh den paredwse ton Otsalan, den prodwse ayth thn prospaqeia, poy h idia h kybernhsh ekane, na prosferei prostasia kai bohqeia ston Otsalan. Ara, h kybernhsh den eixe kanena logo na prodwsei ton eayton ths.

SOYRMELH: Den jerw akribws an exei syzhthqei ayto to qema. Nomizw oti den exei syzhthqei. O Otsalan feretai oti eixe kapoio kypriako diabathrio. Ayto to kypriako diabathrio prepei na to phre apo tis ellhnikes arxes h den to phre; `H me ti diabathrio phge sthn Kenya; Qa mporoysate na mas peite eseis kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh ti diabathrio, oxi h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h EYP as poyme, me kapoia xartia ton efodiase.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola einai fanero oti to diabathrio ayto einai plasto. Apo ekei kai pera, to pws perihlqe sthn katoxh toy Otsalan einai kati to opoio den gnwrizoyme.

Gia to qema ayto exei apanthsei, hdh, o Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, Glaykos Klhridhs, o opoios prokalese kaqe endiaferomeno na ereynhsei sthn Kypro gia na diapistwsei oti den yparxei opoiadhpote sxesh ths Kyproy me ayta ta opoia ths apodidontai.

MIXAHL: Shmera o k. Papandreoy, kalwntas ton k. Mperns ti akribws toy zhthse; Giati ton kalese kai ti toy eipe;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ths eqimotypias egine h prwth episkech toy Amerikanoy presbh sto neo Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Kai syzhthsan tis dimereis sxeseis, alla kai eyrytera qemata, opws einai h krish sto Kossyfopedio kai opws, bebaiws, einai kai to qema poy proekyce, meta thn teleytaia ejelijh oson afora ton Koyrdo hgeth. O k. Mperns epanelabe tis qeseis ths kybernhshs toy. Emeis ton enhmerwsame gia tis teleytaies prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei. Ayto exei ypoxrewsh na kanei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai to kanei me ton kalytero tropo. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh mas akoloyqei thn poreia ths.

MIXAHL: Qelw na epimeinw sto ejhs: O k. Papandreoy zhthse apo ton k. Mperns dieykolynseis, texnikes h politikes, etsi wste h prwtoboylia mas -dia toy k. Apostolidh- gia ton apegklwbismo twn pente melwn - twn triwn gynaikwn, toy Kalinteridh kai toy presbh- na epiteyxqei;

REPPAS: Eipa prin, apantwntas se allh erwthsh, oti ayth h epixeirhsh ejelissetai kai qa oloklhrwqei, otan me to kalo elpizw oloklhrwqei- katw apo antijoes synqhkes. Gnwrizete oti oi HPA exoyn diatypwsei sygkekrimenh qesh gia proswpa kai organwseis. Exoyn apodwsei sygkekrimenoys xarakthrismoys se aytoys toys polites. Antilambaneste, loipon, poia einai h qesh toys.

BITALHS: O k. Mperns paredwse epistolh ths k. Olmprait ston Ellhna Ypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Paredwse epistolh ths kas Olmprait, h opoia einai, qa elega, eqymotypikh me ta sygxarhthria ths Amerikanidas ypoyrgoy pros ton Ellhna synadelfo ths.

BITALHS: Mono;

REPPAS: Nai. Me kapoia genikoterh eyxh, bebaiws, na yparjei synergasia se ena pneyma amoibaias katanohshs, prokeimenoy oi dyo xwres na antimetwpizoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos.

LAKOPOYLOS: Se merida toy shmerinoy Typoy yparxoyn apoceis poy apodidontai ston Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas, ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. Qelw na epishmanw dyo apo aytes tis topoqethseis. H mia leei oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos fobatai oti yparxei kindynos na metatrapei h ypoqesh Otsalan se "eqniko agos", opws toy apodidetai kata lejh. Kai h allh oti h idia h ypoqesh exei dhmioyrghsei ayjhmenoys kindynoys asfaleias gia th xwra. Qelw na sas parakalesw na sxoliasete ayta ta dyo sxetika shmeia.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poies apoceis diatypwse o k. Tsoxatzopoylos stoys synomilhtes toy.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ma, sas eipa.

REPPAS: Dexomai oti oi apoceis aytes apodidoyn tis qeseis toy. Synedriase -to gnwrizete- to KYSEA kai asxolhqhke me to qema ths asfaleias ths xwras, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis. Sth synedriash ayth, liges hmeres prin, eipame oti prepei na proboyme se metra ayjhmenhs epithrhshs, doqentos oti h Toyrkia qa xrhsimopoihsei ayto to qlibero gegonos, prokeimenoy na apostaqeropoihsei akomh perissotero tis sxeseis metajy twn dyo xwrwn kai na epidiwjei na allajei kai thn isorropia sthn perioxh. Emeis, pisteyoyme oti prepei na antimetwpisoyme aytes tis proklhseis me cyxraimia. Dipla, loipon, se ayth thn politikh kai diplwmatikh stash, h opoia diakrinetai apo cyxraimia kai synesh, exoyme labei, epishs, ola ta anagkaia metra, wste kai oi Enoples Dynameis ths xwras na einai se etoimothta, se ayjhmenh epithrhsh gia na antimetwpisoyn kaqe endexomeno.

Oson afora, twra, toys xeirismoys gia thn ypoqesh Otsalan, edw exoyme mia astoxia. Exw milhsei ki egw gia tis eyqynes kai exw onomasei ki egw atyxhma ayto to opoio egine, shmeiwnontas omws oti den prepei na epitrecoyme ayto to eqniko atyxhma na metatrapei se eqnikh katastrofh. H xwra prepei na synexisei me staqero prosanatolismo thn poreia ths pros to mellon, na epityxei toys megaloys stoxoys poy exei qesei. Qa to katorqwsei ayto h kybernhsh, giati pisteyoyme oti ayto apotelei epiqymia kai epilogh ths pamchfias toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ara, loipon, enw exoyme ena problhma gia to opoio exoyme analabei to meridio twn eyqynwn mas, pisteyoyme oti parallhla exoyme megalh ypoxrewsh apenanti sth xwra mas, apenanti ston ellhniko lao na synexisoyme thn politikh mas, prokeimenoy to 2000 -otan qa kriqoyme synolika apo ton ellhniko lao- na paroysiasoyme to synolo toy ergoy mas kai me empistosynh ston ellhniko lao na diekdikhsoyme kai pali thn chfo toy.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw an sthn epishmh atzenta twn synomiliwn ths Bonnhs symperilambanetai kai to Koyrdiko, ypo to fws twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn.

REPPAS: Oxi, sthn atzenta den problepetai ena tetoio qema.

KARGOYDH: Qa perioristei mono se qemata koinotika;

REPPAS: Nai ayto einai to qema ths E. E.. To zhthma to opoio qesate gnwrizete oti apasxolhse to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, thn prohgoymenh Deytera. Ta apotelesmata htan qetika. Ayto einai mia poly ikanopoihtikh ejelijh.

KIAOS: Qa syntajideysoyn o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos gia to Milano, me to idio aeroplano, me to FALCON;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti sthn apostolh toy PASOK gia to synedrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos, symmetexoyn peripoy 15 stelexh, 15 melh. O tropos metabashs toys, epeidh afora kai ena kommatiko qema, den gnwrizw poios qa einai. Pisteyw oti h antiproswpeia qa metabei sthn italikh polh mazi h -en pash periptwsei- qa einai dyo hmeres gemates ekei, opote qa exoyn th dynatothta ola ta stelexh na syzhthsoyn, na exoyn kai kat` idian epafes kai epikoinwnies. Nomizw oti ayto einai kati to opoio mporei na to anamenei kaneis.

KIAOS: Anafereste stoys...

REPPAS: Milaw gia ola ta stelexh, ara den ejairw kanena. Oloi me oloys.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kapoies dieykriniseis qa hqela. H epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa doqei sth dhmosiothta shmera;

REPPAS: Einai piqanotato.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Ejeidikeyei mesa sthn epistolh, ayto poy eipate "dikaih antimetwpish toy Otsalan";

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy leei pws h sxetikh dhlwsh poy yioqethse to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, thn prohgoymenh Deytera, einai bhma sth swsth kateyqynsh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H epixeirhsh ayth, poy lambanei xwra h qa labei xwra, ti afora; Apegklwbismo apo to Nairompi h apegklwbismo apo to Nairompi kai eleysh sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Apegklwbismo apo to Nairompi -an qelete na xrhsimopoihsw ayth th lejh, epanalambanw th dikh sas lejh- kai metafora twn politwn sthn Aqhna.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H epixeirhsh afora tessera h pente atoma; Dhladh, kai o Presbhs symperilambanetai s` ayta ta atoma;

REPPAS: O Presbhs, ana pash stigmh, mporei na epistrecei. Einai piqanotato, an den yparxoyn oi analoges eggyhseis gia thn asfalh epistrofh olwn twn politwn, na epistrecei o k. Apostolidhs me ton k. Presbh.

KARASABBA: Mia dieykrinish, parakalw. Eipate oti ayto to opoio egine, einai eqniko atyxhma kai oti den prepei na ejelixqei se eqnikh katastrofh. Ayto gia thn eqnikh katastrofh den katalaba. Dhladh, mia piqanh apotyxia prostasias aytwn twn tessarwn kai mh eleysh toys sthn Aqhna, einai kaqaro oti qa epiferei mia eqnikh katastrofh;

REPPAS: Periorizete para poly to qema. Milhsa gia toys stoxoys poy exei qesei h Ellada, enocei toy epomenoy aiwna. Kai gnwrizete poly kala poioi einai aytoi oi stoxoi. Katastrofh gia th xwra mas qa htan na mhn epityxei aytoys toys stoxoys. Kai den prepei na epitrecoyme na diakybeytei ayth h poreia pros thn epiteyjh twn stoxwn, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis. Isa-isa, qa prepei na diasfalisoyme thn poreia ths xwras gia thn entajh ths sthn ONE, thn anaptyjh, th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn eyhmerias gia ton ellhniko lao, thn prostasia toy eqnikoy xwroy kai thn proodo, oson afora stis diadikasies entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E. E. Ayta einai ta shmeia kleidia ths politikhs poy prepei na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia.

KARASABBA: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela, epishs, gia th synanthsh toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Mperns. Zhthqhke amerikanikh syndromh kai arnhqhke h amerikanikh pleyra;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh gnwrizei poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs twn HPA gia to qema ayto. Gnwrizei, dhladh, poios einai o xarakthrismos poy apodidoyn stoys sygkekrimenoys polites oi Hnwmenes Politeies. Gnwrizete poly kala oti toys exoyn onomasei tromokrates. Antilambaneste, loipon, poia einai kai h stash toys.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo tis ejhghseis, poy se kapoia stigmh phre kai to xarakthra apologias apo ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs se polla MME, eidika se oti afora ta osa eixe pei o k. Giannopoylos, proxqes, gia ton tagmatarxh ths EYP;

REPPAS: Epanaferete ena qema poy pisteyw exei kleisei. O k. Giannopoylos einai kai nomikos, peran toy oti einai politikos. Jerei grammata. O k. Giannopoylos klhqhke na apanthsei otan erwthqhke gi` ayto to opoio eipe o k. Kalinteridhs: oti h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, dhqen, paredwse ton Ampntoylax Otsalan. Yphrxan kapoia gegonota, opws einai to dhmosieyma mias efhmeridas, opws einai mia anakoinwsh paratajhs ths EYP -ayta einai gegonota- ta opoia metefere sto dialogo ekeino o k. Giannopoylos. O k. Giannopoylos den phre thn prwtoboylia na kathgorhsei h na kataggeilei kapoion. Yparxei ayth h paranohsh, h opoia dhmioyrghse ena qema to opoio, pisteyw, oti exei kleisei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Giannopoylos, kata thn kyriarxoysa apoch, eyqynetai sto oti anaparhgage, ws ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, kapoia fhmh. Ayto to kalyptei h Kybernhsh; Ayto einai to ena skelos ths erwthshs moy. To allo einai: Mhpws sthn epistolh ths kas Olmprait yparxoyn kai sygxarhthria pros thn kybernhsh gia thn paradosh toy Otsalan; Dioti, apo oti mas eipate, shmera, yparxei endexomeno na meinoyn oi treis katw kai na gyrisoyn monon oi dyo. Kai to trito erwthma: Einai qesmoqethmenh ayth h paradosh twn teleytaiwn etwn na synedriazei kybernhtiko organo, opws einai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me thn Politikh Grammateia enos kommatos;

REPPAS: Milate gia th xqesinh synedriash;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Malista.

REPPAS: Asfalws, ayto einai kaqierwmeno kai ginetai. Kaqe organo exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes. Edwsa sxetikh apanthsh, xqes, sto synadelfo sas, k. Kiao. Alla, exw apanthsei gi` ayto kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Parakalw, na anatrecete s` aytes tis apanthseis gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn. Den qigetai h aytonomia enos ekastoy organoy. An prepei na lhfqei kapoia apofash, h opoia qa exei eidikh, egkyrh kai epishmh morfh apo ena organo, to organo ayto, synedriazei aytotelws kai pairnei th sxetikh apofash. Einai ta dyo koryfaia organa gia thn kybernhsh kai gia to komma kai gi` ayto h ejetash twn politikwn ejelijewn, mporei kai prepei na ginetai apo koinoy: Me th symmetoxh olwn twn koryfaiwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos. Prepei taytoxrona na pw oti h bash poy xrhsimopoieite sthn erwthsh sas, gia na anaptyjete to syllogismo sas, legontas pws "h ellhnikh kybernhsh paredwse ton Ampntoylax Otsalan", den mas briskei symfwnoys. Jerete oti ayto den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Lypoymai giati diafeygei se esas kai polloys alloys, oti gia thn Ellada h periodos twn dosilogwn koykoyloforwn exei perasei edw kai arketes dekaeties. Sthn Ellada den yparxoyn tetoia fainomena. Einai poly kakh yphresia ayth poy prosferei, opoios kanei tetoioy eidoys ypainigmoys, opoios anaferetai se tetoioy eidoys kathgories.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws parejhghsate thn erwthsh moy;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. Se oti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: H ka Olmprait einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn mias xwras, o k. Papandreoy einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths dikhs mas xwras kai o kaqenas prepei na yperaspizetai ta symferonta ths xwras toy. Ayto kanei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths dikhs mas xwras, opws oloi, allwste, prepei na yperaspizoyme ta symferonta ths xwras mas. Kai den qa epitrecoyme se opoiondhpote, me emmeso tropo, na prosbalei thn eqnikh ajioprepeia. Ara, loipon, tetoia endexomena den yparxoyn. Oyte ws endexomena den yparxoyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epimenw s` ayto kai qelw mia dieykrinish, giati einai poly sobaro. Exw thn entypwsh oti o k. Shmiths, ayth th stigmh, ws hgeths mias dytikhs xwras poy anhkei sthn EE kai einai symmaxos twn HPA, thrhse kanonika, akribws, ayth th filosofia poy exoyn kai oi HPA kai h E. E, apenanti sthn tromokratia. Den nomizw o k. Shmiths na ekane kati kako pros th Dieqnh Koinothta m` ayth th symperifora. Giati enoxleiste otan leme oti paredwse enan tromokrath, me thn orologia twn jenwn. Afhste thn egxwria filologia. Giati enoxleiste kai niwqete enoxes; Ws dytikos hgeths, o k. Shmiths ekane to kaqhkon toy, apenanti stoys "patronoys".

REPPAS: Ekana ayth th diakrish metajy twn kybernhsewn kaqe xwras, epishmainontas oti kaqe kybernhsh einai ypoxrewmenh na yperaspizetai ta symferonta ths xwras ths. Kapoies xwres exoyn apodwsei sygkekrimeno xarakthrismo s` ayton ton andra, s` ayton ton polith. Emeis den exoyme xarakthrisei m` ayto ton tropo ton Ampntoylax Otsalan. Exoyme kataferqei enantion egklhmatikwn energeiwn kai prajewn bias, oi opoies den exoyn kamia qesh sthn prospaqeia poy kanei enas laos gia thn anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn toy. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo.

Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, qelw na pw oti pragmatika adikeitai o k. Giannopoylos, giati meta apo treis, tesseris h pente hmeres apo tote poy yphrje to dhmosieyma, apo tote poy ejedoqh h anakoinwsh, xwris na yparxei opoiadhpote antidrash apo opoiondhpote, oyte apo swmateio, oyte apo filoys, o k. Giannopoylos, apla ayto to gegonos -poy einai to dhmosieyma, poy einai mia anakoinwsh- to metefere sto plaisio mias syzhthshs, apantwntas se erwthmata ta opoia edeixnan, as poyme, mia arnhtikh diaqesh pros thn kybernhsh.

SOYRMELH: To prwto erwthma moy einai sxetika me thn parembash toy k. Giannopoyloy, poy einai ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, bebaia, egine kapoio diabhma apo thn pleyra toy Israhl. Eseis qa prepei na apanthsete, twra; Kai to deytero einai, an exete kati na peite, na kanete kapoia dhlwsh, meta ap` aytes tis nees kathgories ths Toyrkias gia thn Ellada kai thn Kypro sto qema Otsalan kai ayth thn apofash twn oikonomikwn paragontwn ths Toyrkias, gia thn paysh ths ellhnotoyrkikhs synergasias, s` ayto to epipedo..

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, to xeirizetai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Kanei tis aparaithtes energeies poy problepontai s` aytes tis periptwseis. Oson afora to trito qema, pisteyoyme oti kaqenas mporei na leitoyrgei me tropo o opoios, kata th dikh toy apoch, bohqa th xwra toy. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh pisteyw oti h apomonwsh ths Toyrkias apo to dieqnes periballon, einai se baros ths Toyrkias. Sth deyterh erwthsh sas mporw na kanw ena syntomo sxolio: Oi kathgories aytes tis opoies apeyqynei h Toyrkia pros thn Ellada exoyn ginei, pleon, kaqhmerino fainomeno. Den exoyn apodekth, giati den exoyn tekmhriwsh. Den antapokrinontai sthn istorikh alhqeia. Fanerwnoyn mono thn ekdhlh diaqesh ths Toyrkias na katasthsei thn Ellada meros enos problhmatos, to opoio h idia antimetwpizei kai h idia prepei, kyriws, na symbalei sth lysh toy, poy einai h anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn toy koyrdikoy laoy. Ayto einai to qema to opoio prepei na antimetwpisei katamata h Toyrkia. Ola t` alla einai ypekfyges stis opoies katafeygei, prokeimenoy na apofygei na analabei tis eyqynes poy th barynoyn. Kai prepei na analabei aytes tis eyqynes. H E. E. kai h Dieqnhs Koinothta qa parakoloyqhsoyn th stash ths Toyrkias apenanti s` ayto to qema kai pisteyoyme oti oloi qa exoyn th dynatothta na bgaloyn ta asfalh symperasmata toys sto telos.

ALEJAKH: Moy ekane entypwsh, k. Ypoyrge, poy epikalesthkate prohgoymenws thn anakoinwsh ths EYP. Dhladh, jafnika h yphresia h opoia asxoleitai me thn eqnikh asfaleia ths xwras kai me qemata tetoioy eidoys, emfanizetai na einai xwrismenh se syndikalistikes paratajeis. Emena me ejeplhje. Esas den sas ekplhttei ayto to gegonos;

REPPAS: Einai gegonos oti edw sthn Ellada exoyme eklabei th leitoyrgia twn dhmokratikwn qesmwn, perissotero ws ena paixnidi, para ws biwmatikh kaqhmerinh askhsh sthn opoia prepei na epididomaste me sebasmo kai thrhsh twn kanonwn ths Dhmokratias. Ayto dhmioyrgei para polla problhmata. Blepete, loipon, oti kapoios - enw anhkei se kapoia yphresia- bgainei kai leei th dikh toy apoch: oti h Ellada kai h kybernhsh eyqynontai poy paradoqhke o Otsalan stoys Toyrkoys. Kai to leei dhmosia, enw anhkei se sygkekrimenh yphresia. Den perimenei na to pei ayto armodiws, otan klhqei. Kapoios allos diatypwnei mia allh apoch. Ayta apoteloyn gegonota. Einai gegonos oti exoyn ginei aytes oi dhlwseis apo to sygkekrimeno kratiko leitoyrgo. Einai gegonos oti exoyme ayto to dhmosieyma. Einai gegonos oti exoyme ayth thn anakoinwsh. Ara, loipon, ayta poy apoteloyn tis chfides sto mwsaiko ths kaqhmerinhs kataigidas plhroforiwn, antilambaneste pws xrhsimopoioyntai me tetoio tropo, wste o kaqenas na diekdikhsei yper ths dikhs toy apochs thn alhqeia kai to dikaio.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo thn plhroforhsh poy exete, ektimate oti mporei h epistrofh apo to Nairompi na ginei tis epomenes wres;

REPPAS: Qa einai eyxhs ergo na ginei tis epomenes wres h epistrofh ayth. Alla, ayto to opoio, prwtistws, mas endiaferei einai na ginei me asfalh tropo. Den einai o paragwn xronos aytos o opoios qa kaqorisei thn enarjh kai thn oloklhrwsh ayths ths epixeirhshs. O paragwn poy staqmizoyme perissotero apo oloys, einai h asfaleia kai oi eggyhseis poy exoyme, prokeimenoy h epixeirhsh ayth na stefqei apo epityxia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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