Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-12-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Dekembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthsame shmera thn poreia twn megalwn ergwn, synolika thn ejelijh twn ergwn poy xrhmatodotoyntai mesw toy B' Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs, alla me genikoteres anafores sto olo periballon, to nomiko kai to pragmatiko, poy dhmioyrgeitai gia thn ektelesh twn megalwn kai mikroterwn dhmosiwn ergwn. Ergwn poy einai entagmena se eyrwpaika, eqnika, perifereiaka, nomarxiaka kai topika programmata.

Diapistwqhke oti synteleitai mia kosmogonia ergwn, drasewn kai parembasewn, poy den exei prohgoymeno sthn patrida mas. Ta apotelesmata, se kaqe periptwsh, einai metrhsima kai sygkrisima me oti synebaine sto parelqon. Ayth h ikanopoihtikh ejelijh dikaiologei kaqe aisiodojia gia to mellon. Elegxoyme apolytws toys xronoys poy exoyme qesei gia thn oloklhrwsh twn pio shmantikwn ergwn. Eimaste entos aytoy toy xronodiagrammatos.

Eidikotera, qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw se orismena erga me sygkekrimena stoixeia, afoy shmeiwsw oti einai idiaitera shmantikes oi allages poy exoyn epelqei sto qesmiko plaisio gia thn ektelesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn, oson afora th diafaneia. Dhmioyrghqhke afenos to Swma Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosiwn Ergwn kai afeteroy leitoyrgei o qesmos toy Eidikoy Symboyloy Elegxoy Poiothtas Ergwn, poy exei proxwrhsei hdh se deigmatolhcia enos shmantikoy posostoy twn dhmosiwn ergwn. Exoyn epiblhqei prostima kai kyrwseis ekei poy ayto epiballetai kai genikws gia prwth fora me tetoio systhmatiko tropo ginetai elegxos kai ths poiothtas twn paragomenwn ergwn. Kai bebaiws, syzhtwntas gia ta erga ayta, epanalhfqhke -gia mia akomh fora- pws h proetoimasia poy exoyme kanei gia to G' Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs mas fernei se mia pronomiakh qesh, etsi wste otan oloklhrwqoyn oi diapragmateyseis gia to G' K. P. S., qa eimaste etoimoi na jekinhsoyme amesws, wste na ajiopoihsoyme kai thn teleytaia draxmh me ton kalytero tropo.

Ta erga sta opoia egine idiaiterh mneia einai:

* To Eqniko Kthmatologio. Einai ena terastio ergo to opoio jekinhse sthn patrida mas gia prwth fora kai ejelissetai. Sta epomena tria xronia poy apaitoyntai gia thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy aytoy, ypologizetai na dhmioyrghqoyn 9.500 -10.000 qeseis ergasias. Ena megalo kai aparaithto gia thn Ellada ergo, opws to Kthmatologio, qa oloklhrwqei me xrhmatodothsh kai apo to G' K. P. S.

* H Egnatia Odos. Einai ena allo megalo ergo synolikoy mhkoys 680 xlm. Exoyn kataskeyastei ta 120 xiliometra kai einai se ejelijh erga se mhkos 403 xlm. Miloyme gia thn Egnatia Odo, se synarthsh me ta erga poy aforoyn toys 9 kaqetoys ajones poy th syndeoyn me diafores perioxes kai proorismoys, alla kai me ta 5 limania me ta opoia syndeetai h Egnatia Odos.

* To megalo ergo toy dromoy Patrwn -Aqhnwn -Qessalonikhs - Eidwmenhs (PAQE) synolikoy mhkoys 730 xlm., me proypologismo 360 dis drx. Exoyn kataskeyastei 280 xlm. Ergazontai sta ergotajia, poy leitoyrgoyn ayth thn wra, 4.000 anqrwpoi. Sto ergo ayto -prepei na sas pw- entaxqhke h zeyjh sto Maliako Kolpo, proypologismoy 100 dis drx.

* H zeyjh Rioy-Antirrioy. Einai ena poly shmantiko alla kai dyskolo ergo, logw twn gewtexnikwn problhmatwn ths perioxhs, poy paroysiazei entonh seismogeneia, To ergo proxwra. Ews to 2004 qa doyleyoyn 1000 anqrwpoi sta erga gia th zeyjh kai apo tis drasthriothtes poy qa anaptyxqoyn ston perigyro, ypologizetai na dhmioyrghqoyn alles 4000 qeseis ergasias.

* H ypoqalassia zeyjh Aktioy- Prebezas. Exei ftasei sto 80% toy synoloy toy ergoy. Ypologizetai oti sto telos toy 1999 qa doqei se xrhsh h ypoqalassia ayth zeyjh.

* To Attiko Metro. Ypologizetai -otan teqei plhrws se leitoyrgia- na to xrhsimopoioyn kaqhmerinws 450.000 polites. Prepei na anaferqw idiaiterws sta problhmata poy proekycan kai antimetwpisthkan sto plaisio twn arxaiologikwn anaskafwn. Se tetoia erga dapanhqhkan 10 dis drx. Ergazontai 3.500 anqrwpoi sto ergo ayto, toy opoioy to mhkos einai 19 xlm. kai qa exei 21 staqmoys. Exei ginei to 82% toy ergoy. Symfwna me toys programmatismoys poy exoyn teqei -kai pisteyetai apolyta oti qa epiteyxqoyn- sto telos toy 1999 qa doqei se xrhsh h basikh grammh toy Metro, apo to Pentagwno sta Sepolia, mesw Syntagmatos kai Omonoias.

* To Aerodromio twn Spatwn. Ypenqymizetai gia mia akomh fora h epanadiapragmateysh ths symbashs poy odhghse se poly kala apotelesmata yper toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Eixame mia ejoikonomhsh porwn 100 dis drx. Ypologizetai oti apo to neo Aerodromio h prwth pthsh qa pragmatopoihqei thn 1h Martioy toy 2001. Kata thn ejelijh toy ergoy proxwra kai o anasxediasmos gia thn eyryterh perioxh twn Mesogeiwn, prokeimenoy na dieykolynqei h leitoyrgia toy Aerodromioy. Ypologizetai oti qa ayjanontai stadiaka oi ergazomenoi. Apo 4.500 poy einai shmera qa ftasoyn proodeytika stis 7.000 kai se epixeirhmatikes, emporikes, toyristikes drasthriothtes poy qa anaptyxqoyn gyrw apo to neo Aerodromio, ypologizetai na dhmioyrghqoyn 14.000 nees qeseis ergasias.

Ta problhmata ta opoia epishmanqhkan gia mia akomh fora, metajy twn allwn, entopisthkan:

* Se diadikasies apallotriwsewn, poy syxna einai xronobores.

* Sth dyskolia paragwghs twn ergwn, logw ths katastashs sthn opoia brisketai kai leitoyrgei shmera to synolo, sxedon, twn texnikwn etaireiwn ths xwras mas. Gi' ayto akribws ypodeixqhke ws anagkaia h enqarrynsh twn sygxwneysewn twn texnikwn etairiwn, prokeimenoy na epanelqoyn se mia katastash poy qa toys dwsei th dynatothta na diekdikoyn erga, oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla kai sto ejwteriko. Se megalo baqmo, shmera, analambanoyn ypergolabies ergwn poy exoyn anateqei se megales jenes etaireies. O antagwnismos, bebaiws, einai sklhros. Oloi aytoi oi diagwnismoi einai dieqneis, anoiktoi diagwnismoi, stoys opoioys mporoyn na proselqoyn kai na laboyn meros - opws gnwrizete- kai jenes etaireies. Ara, to topio einai poly diaforetiko.

* Sto qema poy prokyptei apo tis prospaqeies ths Politeias, alla kai to endiaferon olwn mas gia thn plhrh katartish periballontikwn meletwn. H diadikasia ayth, logw kai toy endiaferontos poy epideiknyei to Symboylio ths Epikrateias, odhgei syxnotata se kaqysterhseis se kairia shmeia pollwn megalwn ergwn.

Kleinw, anaferontas kapoia akomh ariqmhtika stoixeia. Tonisthke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio oti exei beltiwqei qeamatika h aporrofhsh twn kondyliwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy diatiqentai sto plaisio toy B' Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs. Sto telos toy 1998 qa exei aporrofhqei to 60% kai sto telos toy 1999 to 80% twn porwn. Einai qeamatikh h beltiwsh ayth. Epishs, egine mia sygkritikh anafora me to ti symbainei sthn E. E. me th xrhsimopoihsh dyo krithriwn:

-To ena einai h desmeysh pistwsewn. Ston tomea, loipon, ths desmeyshs pistwsewn exoyme petyxei ena pososto toy synoloy twn pistwsewn poy mporoyme na desmeysoyme, to opoio ftanei to 86% kai einai to ychlotero sthn Eyrwph. Sthn Eyrwph o mesos oros brisketai sto 73%.

-To allo krithrio, gia na bgaloyme ayto to sygkritiko symperasma, afora thn eisprajh xrhmatwn, sto plaisio aytwn twn Eyrwpaikwn Programmatwn. Ston tomea ayto to pososto poy exoyme epityxei einai 61%. O mesos oros sthn Eyrwph einai 56%. Se sxesh me tis alles xwres exoyme beltiwsei qeamatika thn epidosh mas. Eimaste se mia poly kalh qesh. Ola ayta kai polla alla ta opoia me leptomereies mporw na anaferw, deixnoyn oti eimaste se ena poly ikanopoihtiko shmeio.

Epishmanqhke oti h N. D. sthn kritikh poy askei exei metatopisei thn aixmh ths apo to oti den ginontai erga, den exoyme epityxei ychlh aporrofhtikothta, sto oti ta erga poy ginontai -kai to anagnwrizei pleon- den exoyn thn analogh poiothta h ginontai me diadikasies "skandalwdeis". Pisteyoyme oti kaqws qa perna o kairos, megala tmhmata twn ergwn aytwn qa oloklhrwnontai kai qa paradidontai gia xrhsh stoys polites. Etsi, kai aytos o isxyrismos ths N. D. qa katapesei, opws kai oi prohgoymenoi isxyrismoi ths kai qa lamcei h alhqeia.

* Shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio apofasise thn kalych ths qeshs toy Proedroy toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys poy menei kenh sto telos toy xronoy, logw termatismoy ths qhteias toy nyn Proedroy k. Papida, o opoios me idiaiterh epityxia askhse ta kaqhkonta toy. Ws neos Proedros epelegh o Antiproedros k. Aristomenhs Komisopoylos.

* Sthn arxh ths shmerinhs synedriashs, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane orismena sxolia kai epishmanseis gia qemata ths epikairothtas, kaqws kleinei h xronia.

H diasfalish toy laikoy eisodhmatos kai h entash ths prospaqeias mas gia anaptyjh ths xwras, wste na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes staqerothtas, asfaleias kai eyhmerias gia toys polites, einai to krithrio to opoio kyriws lambanoyme ypoch mas gia thn askhsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Pisteyoyme oti oi synqhkes sthn Ellada prosomoiazoyn me tis synqhkes allwn prohgmenwn xwrwn. Exoyme dianysei mia poly megalh apostash pros to kalytero, se sxesh me to prosfato parelqon. Gia paradeigma, mporei na anaferqei o tropos me ton opoion anteje kai antedrase h ellhnikh oikonomia sthn krish poy ekdhlwqhke, meta thn eisodo ths draxmhs sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Gnwrizete pws epikriqhke tote h epilogh gia thn prosarmogh ths isotimias toy ellhnikoy nomismatos, opws epishs me poso eirwniko tropo, sxedon me loidories, antimetwpisthkan oi qeseis ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, otan miloysame gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, liga xronia prin, epeidh eixame th bebaiothta oti me to ergo mas mporoyme na kalycoyme to xameno edafos prohgoymenwn periodwn. Ola ayta, pleon, apoteloyn parelqon.

Kai sthn periptwsh ayth h N. D., poy kapote -sto prosfato parelqon- mas kathgoroyse oti den qa epityxoyme thn entajh sthn ONE, shmera kai ayth qewrei dedomenh thn entajh kai mas katakrinei gia to oti me thn entajh ayth den qa epityxoyme kai poly spoydaia pragmata yper ths Elladas kai toy ellhnikoy laoy!

Epishs, mia kai einai prosfath h Synodos Koryfhs ths Biennhs, opoy syzhthqhkan shmantika qemata, kai me aformh mia kindynologia, poy synhqws anaptyssetai gia "thn emplokh h to telma sto opoio perierxontai ta qemata poy mas aforoyn", epishmainoyme idiaiterws, to oti h entajiakh diapragmateysh gia thn Kypro proxwra, para tis kata kairoys qeseis poy ekfrazontai apo diafores pleyres. Ayto apodeiknyei thn isxy poy exei h xwra mas na dinei maxes kai na tis kerdizei.

H anafora stis diarqrwtikes allages, pisteyw oti dikaiologei ton titlo mias kybernhshs poy exei kanei shmantikes tomes stoys qesmoys, pragma to opoio mas ikanopoiei. Poly perissotero poy eprepe na antimetwpisoyme stereotypa dekaetiwn, rizwmenes nootropies kai antilhceis me tis opoies eprepe na sygkroystoyme. Giati etsi prepei na yperaspistoyme to dhmosio kai to koinwniko symferon.

To 1999 einai mia krisimh xronia kai gia thn Kybernhsh kai gia thn paratajh poy th sthrizei, doqentos oti qa ginei to Synedrio, qa ginoyn oi Eyrwekloges. Oi genikes ekloges qa ginoyn to 2000. Aytos einai kai o orizontas toy politikoy sxediasmoy ths Kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. Ola ta alla apoteloyn filologies poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis epiloges mas. Opws pantote kaname, etsi kai twra, etsi kai sto mellon qa diekdikoyme thn empistosynh ths pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy, giati to PASOK einai h kyriarxh politikh dynamh. Den mas apasxoloyn syzhthseis h senaria poy anaferontai se symmaxikes kybernhseis, se allages toy eklogikoy systhmatos, se diergasies poy den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me ayto poy einai safes: To PASOK pantodynamo, me dedomenh th sthrijh ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy, qa synexisei kai qa oloklhrwsei to ergo toy me epityxia, gia na diekdikhsei to 2000, otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia ayths ths Kybernhshs, kai pali thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy thn opoia kai qa kerdisei.

Ta apotelesmata ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Biennhs mas ikanopoioyn. Bebaiws, h E. E. einai ena pedio diapalhs, sygkroyshs symferontwn. Prepei synexws na eimaste etoimoi na diapragmateytoyme yper twn symferontwn ths xwras mas. Exoyme melethsei tis kinhseis mas. Exoyme dhmioyrghsei tis symmaxies poy qewroyme aparaithtes gia na prowqhsoyme ta symferonta ths xwras mas. Exoyme kala xartia sta xeria mas, gia na epidiwjoyme toys stoxoys mas kai na toys epityxoyme.

* Oson afora thn krish poy jespase sto Irak, oi qeseis mas paramenoyn opws anakoinwqhkan. To qema ayto, h ellhnikh kybernhsh to parakoloyqei edw kai poly kairo apo konta. Pws ejelissetai, dhladh, h diadikasia poy anelabe o OHE gia thn epithrhsh ths katastrofhs twn xhmikwn oplwn sto Irak. Einai kati poy mas afora, epeidh epiqymoyme sthn perioxh mas eggyhseis gia thn asfaleia kai th staqerothta. Gi` ayto, akribws, h krish ston Persiko Kolpo mas endiaferei idiaitera. Parakoloyqoyme, loipon, apo konta, edw kai poly kairo, pws ejelissetai ayth h synergasia toy OHE me to Irak. Opws anaferoyme kai sthn anakoinwsh mas, oi gnwstes arxes poy monima diepoyn thn ejwterikh politikh mas apoteloyn kai to gnwmona poy pisteyoyme oti prepei na xrhsimopoieitai gia na lambanontai oi apofaseis. Kai bebaiws, qeloyme na katasthsoyme safes, oti sto plaisio ths dieqnoys sygkyrias, ayto to opoio prwtistws mas endiaferei, ayto poy epidiwkoyme einai h yperaspish twn symferontwn ths Elladas. Mas endiaferei, s` ayth thn krisimh periodo, na probaloyme tis qeseis mas, epitygxanontas me ton kalytero tropo thn yperaspish twn eqnikwn symferontwn mas. Prwta kai kyria mas endiaferei h Ellada. Kai bebaiws, ayto to opoio epanalambanoyme kai epibebaiwnoyme einai to shmeio ths anakoinwshs mas, twn topoqethsewn mas, gia thn anagkh, to syntomotero dynato, na termatistei h krish kai na epidiwxqei lysh me politika kai eirhnika mesa.

Ayta hqela na sas pw. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Poia einai h poreia toy programmatismenoy ergoy toy METRO ths Qessalonikhs; Anaferqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to qema;

REPPAS: Bebaiws anaferqhke. Gnwrizete oti exei katartistei h symbash me to deytero proswrino anadoxo. H symbash ayth proxwra. Qa mporoysa -qa to kanei omws o synadelfos k. Laliwths- na sas dianeimw xartes kai pinakes sygkekrimenoys me tis grammes toy METRO, th diadromh poy qa akoloyqhsei. To ergo ayto ejelissetai, symfwna me ton programmatismo toy.

KARGOYDH: Pote qa katateqei h symbash sth Boylh, kyrie Ypoyrge, giati ekei einai to qema. Epeidh yparxoyn problhmata me thn koinh gnwmh kai toys foreis ths polhs k. t. l.

REPPAS: Einai qema sxediasmoy nomoqetikwn prwtoboyliwn ths kybernhshs. Den qa makrynei ayth h syzhthsh.

KARGOYDH: To erwthma moy einai, entos toy '98 qa katateqei ayth h symbash sth Boylh;

REPPAS: H Boylh, th Deytera, kleinei tis ergasies ths, enocei twn eortwn twn Xristoygennwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia tis kakotexnies twn ergwn, milhsate kaqoloy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio; Yparxei mia ekqesh ths E. E. poy epishmainei oti yparxoyn kakotexnies, poy fqanoyn apo to 85% ews to 96%.

REPPAS: O armodios ypoyrgos anaferqhke kai ston tomea ayto, me leptomerh stoixeia, malista. Eipwqhke pragmati, oti erga palaioterwn etwn, otan isxye to kaqestws twn poly megalwn ekptwsewn, paroysiazan problhmata poiothtas. Kai s` ayto omws exei ginei mia epishs shmantikh allagh, afoy pleon gia thn anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn xrhsimopoieitai enas maqhmatikos typos, gia logoys kai antikeimenikothtas kai diafaneias, alla kai gia logoys orqhs ekteleshs twn ergwn. Palaiotera, eixame fqasei se shmeio na analambanontai erga me ekptwseis ycoys 80% kai pleon. Erga poy eginan ekeines tis periodoys, otan dinontan aytes oi ekptwseis, paroysiazoyn, shmera, problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ekqesh toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy den einai gia tote, einai gia twra.

REPPAS: Dinontan se xrhsh erga, xwris na exoyn paralhfqei apo tis armodies yphresies. Shmera, ayth h diadikasia toy elegxoy ths poiothtas twn ergwn exei proxwrhsei, enw palaiotera den yphrxe analogos mhxanismos elegxoy. Exoyn epiblhqei kyrwseis kai prostima. Exei zhthqei apo tis texnikes etairies na diorqwsoyn me symplhrwmatika erga, ekei opoy yparxoyn kakotexnies h alles elleiceis, thn ergolabia toys, prokeimenoy etsi na ta paralabei to Dhmosio, symfwna me osa problepontai apo toys nomoys. Ara, loipon, exontas allajei to qesmiko plaisio gia to pws ginetai o elegxos ths poiothtas twn ergwn -epeidh akribws, exei diapistwqei ayth h kakh poiothta- se polles periptwseis epiballontai ta prostima kai lambanontai oles oi deoyses prwtoboylies. Antimetwpizoyme ki ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta erga exoyn paradoqei. Den exoyn paradoqei ayta ta erga me tis kakotexnies;

REPPAS: Einai se megalo baqmo kanonas -symbainei ayto sthn patrida mas- na dinontai erga se xrhsh, xwris na exoyn paralhfqei, armodiws kai egkyrws, opws problepei o nomos, apo tis armodies yphresies toy kratoys. Ayto sas eipa. Ara, loipon, qa prepei aytoi oi opoioi kaloyntai na proboyn se diorqwseis h na plhrwsoyn prostima, na to kanoyn, gia na yparjei kai epishmh paralabh toy ergoy apo to kratos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na katalabw, den exei paradoqei kanena ergo me kakotexnies.

REPPAS: Erga sta opoia diapistwnontai kakotexnies, den paralambanontai. Alla, yparxoyn erga ta opoia, gia polla xronia xrhsimopoioyntai apo toys polites, diapistwnetai twra oti einai kakotexna, epeidh, twra pia, exoyn egkaqidryqei dynatothtes kai proypoqeseis elegxoy ths poiothtas toys. Kati poy den synebaine, prin. Ayto sas lew

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na rwthsw kati akoma. Eipate gia to METRO ths Aqhnas, qa paradoqei mono mia grammh. Oi ypoloipes, pote qa paradoqoyn;

REPPAS: Sxetika me to METRO ths Aqhnas, eimaste mesa stoys programmatismoys mas. Eipa oti qa doqei, mexri teloys toy '99, oson afora thn kentrikh diadromh. Apo Pentagwno mesw Syntagmatos kai Omonoias sta Sepolia. Apo ekei kai pera, exoyme petyxei na doqoyn ta epomena xronia, mesa sto G' K. P. S. kai oi alles grammes. Dhladh, den problepetai oloklhrwsh toy METRO se oles tis grammes toy, prin apo to 2000. Alla h basikh grammh poy qa metaferei kai toys perissoteroys epibates, poy qa xrhsimopoioyn to METRO, qa teqei se leitoyrgia, mexri teloys toy 1999.

Kai prepei na sas pw, oti kai oi texnikes etaireies kai to kratos eixame polla problhmata na antimetwpisoyme, kata thn ergolabia ayth. Yparxoyn 10.000 eyrhmata, megaloy arxaiologikoy endiaferontos. Pisteyoyme oti ta eyrhmata ayta htan oti to kalytero. Prostateyqhkan, diasfalisthkan, den katastrafhkan. Parakamfqhke o Keramikos, kati poly shmantiko, enw den problepotan ston arxiko sxediasmo, gia na prostateysoyme ayto ton arxaiologiko xwro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to eixate problecei kai to legate;

REPPAS: Malista, to legame. Exoyme aytoys, oi opoioi lene kai prattoyn kai aytoys oi opoioi aplws lene. Ti na kanoyme! Den qa toys baloyme sto idio tsoybali! Einai alloi oi opoioi lene-lene kai alloi, oi opoioi doyleyoyn kai paragoyn ergo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite, ta epomena xronia poia einai; Pote, to 2010, to 2050, pote qa to paradwsete;

REPPAS: Qa einai ta prwta xronia ths neas ekatontaetias, wste na apolaysete kai eseis aytes tis wraies diadromes!

MIXAHL: Prin apo liges hmeres h ellhnikh kybernhsh ejedwse mia anakoinwsh, me thn opoia xairetoyse thn Oikoymenikh Diakhryjh twn Dikaiwmatwn toy Anqrwpoy kai zhtoyse na efarmostei ayth h diakhryjh, akoma perissotero shmera, se para polles perioxes toy Planhth mas, alla kai sth geitonia mas. Me dedomenh ayth th qesh h kybernhsh qewrei oti h amerikanikh epiqesh sth Bagdath prostateyei ta Anqrwpina Dikaiwmata;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto, ths krishs ston Persiko Kolpo, syzhthsame xqes. An qelete na rwthsete eyqews kati to opoio afora thn krish, eyxaristws na apanthsw. Oson afora, twra, to sebasmo twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, h sxetikh Diakhryjh ekfrazei olh thn Anqrwpothta. Asfalws oloi th sebomaste kai ergazomaste yper twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn. Kai oi HPA kai h Bretania, poy anelaban ayth th stratiwtikh prwtoboylia, ekfrazontai apo ayth th Diakhryjh twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn. Ara, loipon, mh qetete me ayth thn eisagwgh thn erwthsh sas.

MIXAHL: Qetw ayth thn erwthsh gia ton ejhs, poly aplo logo. Dioti aytoi phran mia apofash, na bombardisoyn th Bagdath, gia logoys poy oloi gnwrizoyme, kai exoyme ayth th stigmh aqwa qymata, amaxo plhqysmo. Rwtaw, loipon: H ellhnikh kybernhsh pisteyei oti ta dikaiwmata aytwn twn amaxwn diasfalizontai me to bombardismo; Nai h oxi; Apanthste moy.

REPPAS: Se dyo shmeia, kata th xqesinh syzhthsh mas, anaferqhkame stoys amaxoys poy ginontai qymata, xwris na exoyn opoiadhpote eyqynh. Ekfrazoyme kai pali th lyph mas gi ayto. Milhsame, omws, gia thn anagkh, mesw synennohsewn me thn hgesia toy Irak, na breqei mia politikh lysh sto problhma, to opoio ayth thn wra fainetai oti talaipwrei ton OHE kai th Dieqnh Koinothta, ypo thn eyreia ennoia. To qema, dhladh, ths katoxhs xhmikwn oplwn. Kai ayto to qema den antimetwpisthke. Pisteyoyme oti qa mporoyse na apofeyxqei ayth h stratiwtikh drasthriothta, an eixe kai h allh pleyra, h hgesia toy Irak, antapokriqei stis prosklhseis toy OHE, prokeimenoy na mhn plhrwsoyn telika ayth thn krish oi amaxoi. To eipame ayto kai einai safes.

BITALHS: Epeidh oi bombardismoi toy Irak synexizontai kai oi teleytaies dhlwseis twn Amerikanwn afhnoyn asafeia, ws pros to pote qa stamathsoyn aytoi oi bombardismoi, skeftetai h kybernhsh na zhthsei epishma th diakoph twn bombardismwn;

REPPAS: Epishma, egkyra kai egkaira exoyme zhthsei na termatistei ayth h krish to syntomotero dynato. Einai sthn prwth protash ths xqesinhs anakoinwshs mas ayth h anafora. Zhtoyme na stamathsei, to syntomotero dynato, ayth h krish.

BITALHS: Ma, h krish einai synolikh sto Irak, kyrie Ypoyrge, edw kai para polla xronia. Edw milame gia ena sygkekrimeno qema, gia toys bombardismoys.

REPPAS: Apanthsame s' ayto xqes kai epanerxomaste: Qeloyme to syntomotero dynato na termatistoyn aytes oi polemikes epixeirhseis.

ELENOPOYLOS: Eseis eixate dhlwsei kai bebaiws eixate eyqygrammisei th qesh sas me th xqesinh anakoinwsh toy YPEJ, oti gia thn amerikanikh pleyra einai arketos kai mono o logos aytos ths paragwghs xhmikwn oplwn. O k. Pagkalos apo thn allh pleyra diapistwnei oti xreiazotan mia apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, enw arketoi boyleytes toy PASOK, mazi me boyleytes allwn kommatwn, zhtoyn na stamathsoyn oi bombardismoi. Telika, ti symbainei; Pws to sxoliazete, dedomenoy oti yparxei apoklish metajy twn dyo topoqethsewn.

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia apoklish. Gnwrizw oti kai sto R/S poy ergazeste ki eseis paroysiazetai, h mia qesh ws pros thn allh, ws apoklinoyses kai antifatikes kai den paroysiazetai h qesh toy k. Kranidiwth, o opoios eipe oti den yparxei tetoia apoklish, tetoia antifash. Den edwse apanthsh shmera, sxoliazontas sxetikh erwthsh kai paromoioys problhmatismoys o k. Kranidiwths; Den yparxei kamia antifash. Eprepe egkaira na antimetwpistei ayto to qema. Ftasame, omws, sta oria poy fainetai oti h krish den mporoyse na apofeyxqei. Pisteyoyme oti twra qa prepei oloi na exoyn bgalei ta symperasmata toys, na termatistei to syntomotero dynato ayth h drasthriothta, wste na breqei me eirhniko tropo lysh sto problhma poy yparxei. Alla, diapistwnoyme oti yparxei problhma kai prepei na lyqei.

KIAOS: Xqes, se erwthsh, ean xreiazotan nea apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias poy na dinei nea entolh, apanthsate oti h apofash elhfqh me th sygkrothsh ths Epitrophs ypo ton k. Mpatler, h opoia ekane th doyleia ths. O k. Pagkalos sth dhlwsh toy eipe oti xreiazotan nea apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: To ena den apokleiei to allo. Eipa, xqes -opws bgainei kai apo thn anakoinwsh mas- oti eixe ejoysiodothqei apo ton OHE h sygkekrimenh Epitroph, ypo ton k. Mpatler, na ferei se peras ena ergo. Diatypwse mia Ekqesh. Me bash ayth thn Ekqesh anelhfqh prwtoboylia apo tis HPA kai th Bretania. Diafores xwres exoyn ekfrasei tis apoceis toys gia to qema ayto. Gnwrizete poia einai h anakoinwsh poy exei ekdwsei h Aystriakh Proedria, h opoia, bebaiws, mas ekfrazei. Gnwrizete poia einai h anakoinwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Kai prepei na sas pw oti asfalws, pantote, epiqymoyme th synedriash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, to opoio pisteyoyme oti einai ena para poly shmantiko Organo poy den prepei na parakamptetai. Oydeis antilogos sto qema ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, mhn jexnate oti me to sygkekrimeno poly eidiko zhthma o OHE, to Symboylio Asfaleias, exei orisei, edw kai arketo kairo, ena plaisio drashs kai zhta mia orismenh symperifora apo to Irak. S` ayth thn prosklhsh den antapokriqhke h hgesia toy Irak. Ayta, loipon, einai qemata, ta opoia, para tis opoies lektikes diafores fainontai, den prepei na qewreite oti kryboyn diaforetikes epiloges. Einai, oles aytes oi topoqethseis, symplhrwmatikes kai ekfrazoyn mia kentrikh qesh, ayth poy periexetai kai sthn anakoinwsh poy ekdwsame xqes.

KIAOS: Sthn enhmerwsh, sto sxoliasmo toy qematos poy eipate oti ekane o Prwqypoyrgos sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, parepemce akribws ws qeseis ths kybernhsews, sthn anakoinwsh poy mas diabasate xqes. Kai h qesh thn opoia ejefrase o k. Pagkalos, oti xreiazotan prohgoymenws apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, poy brisketai;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos -to eipa xqes kai to epanalambanw- symmeteixe sthn ekdosh ayths ths anakoinwshs. Giati ginetai mia prospaqeia kai me thn erwthsh sas na ferete se diastash thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Parakalw mhn to epixeireite, giati den einai etsi.

KIAOS: Egw sas rwtw. Ayto poy dhlwse o k. Pagkalos ti shmainei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto prohgoymenws kai malista se dikh sas erwthsh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxei apoklish. Qelw na staqw ligo sto keimeno poy ypegracan perissoteroi apo 80 boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos. Pws to sxoliazei ayto h kybernhsh; Dedomenoy oti pairnoyn qesh kata twn HPA kai ths Bretanias, kati poy den kanei h kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes ekfrazoyn tis dikes toys apoceis. Den einai dynato na astynomeyqei h krish h h apoch kaqe synadelfoy.

D. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qelw na rwthsw, gia logariasmo toy staqmoy ston opoio ergazomai, an to ypoyrgeio Typoy, ws kaq' ylh armodio, to apasxolei kaqoloy to xqesino fainomeno ths ejapathshs thleqeatwn me thn emfanish kapoy antapokrith "maimoy" sta kentrika deltia kapoiwn thleoptikwn staqmwn. An sas apasxolhse kaqoloy to qema. Kai an skopeyete na parete kapoia prwtoboylia sto ESR.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, to ESR, an krinei pws prepei na asxolhqei me to qema, mporei na to kanei aytoboylws, xwris na xreiazetai th dikh mas ypodeijh. Ayth th dynatothta toy thn parexei o neos nomos, ton opoio chfisame prin apo ligoys mhnes, dinontas ayth th nea armodiothta sto ESR, para to oti polloi mas kathgoroyn oti toy steroyme armodiothtes. Oson afora twra ayto kaq` eayto to qema, gnwrizw kai egw apo dhmosieymata oti exoyn diatypwqei kathgories, gia kapoion poy paroysiasthke ws antapokriths briskomenos sth Bagdath, enw briskotan kapoy alloy. Lypoymai gia tetoioy eidoys fainomena, poy, polles fores, odhgoyn se mia ekoysia h akoysia, apo thn pleyra twn staqmwn, paraplanhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs. Qa prepei oloi na eimaste poly pio prosektikoi. Kai den einai dynato, tetoioy eidoys fainomena, na ta antimetwpizoyme me elafrothta. Einai para poly shmantika. Poly perissotero otan sysxetizontai me tetoioy eidoys gegonota. Kai antilambaneste poly kala ti shmainei ayto. Ti shmainei enhmerwsh, plhroforhsh se tetoies periptwseis.

KIAOS: Den einai h prwth fora, pantws, sthn istoria toy Typoy sthn Ellada, poy exoyme tetoia fainomena.

REPPAS: Yperqematizw, k. Kiao, s` ayta poy qa peite. Giati, opws apodeixqhke meta, kai kata thn krish sthn Albania, polloi antapokrites, enw edinan peripoy me polemikh iaxh ta qemata toys, san na briskontan sthn prwth grammh toy metwpoy, briskontan akomh kai entos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias. Aytoy toy eidoys ta fainomena, parakalw me th deoysa sobarothta kai eyqynh na ta antimetwpizoyn, prwta ap` ola, oi leitoyrgoi twn MME. Giati yparxoyn oi periptwseis ekeines poy ejapatoyntai ta idia ta MME kai einai -opws o kaqe poliths- kai ena Meso Enhmerwshs qyma kai ayto, kapoioy apatewna. Apo thn allh, omws, yparxoyn kai ekeines oi periptwseis, opoy leitoyrgoi twn MME apo ameleia, apo elleich eyqynhs, me tropo o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me to leitoyrghma ths enhmerwshs, katafeygoyn se tetoia mesa, prokeimenoy na prokalesoyn entypwsiasmo. Ola ayta, omws, pisteyw oti mporei na antimetwpistoyn kyriws, oxi me dioikhtika kai astynomika metra, alla sto plaisio ths aytorryqmishs. Ayth einai h proswpikh moy qesh. Thn exw diatypwsei kat` epanalhch kai paramenw s' ayth.

ARGYROS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egine kapoia anafora gia thn Paideia;

REPPAS: Kamia anafora.

XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Arsenhs, xqes, eipe oti den symfwnei me th synqesh poy exei twra to Eqniko Symboylio Paideias.

REPPAS: To Eqniko Symboylio Paideias den sygkaleitai apo thn kybernhsh. Einai anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh, exei to diko toy Kanonismo leitoyrgias, exei Organo, to opoio apofasizei gia ton tropo me ton opoio sygkaleitai. Einai kati to opoio qa antimetwpistei sthn wra toy.

Eyxaristw poly kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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