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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK protiqetai na proteinei anasynqesh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai ths Politikhs Grammateias sthn Kentrikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe shmera synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. Thn Pempth, to prwi, qa synedriasei h Politikh Grammateia kai to apogeyma ths idias hmeras to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Ola ayta ta qemata qa antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio twn organwn aytwn. Exei kanei sxetikes dhlwseis kai o k. Skandalidhs kai gia to qema sto opoio anafereste, meta thn ejodo toy apo to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa parameinoyme s` aytes tis dhlwseis.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to brady h Kybernhsh qa zhthsei chfo empistosynhs sth Boylh. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw gia ena sxolio sxetika me to mhnyma poy prokyptei apo thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs poy qa zhthsei toso pros thn Kybernhsh, oso kai pros ta melh ths Kybernhshs alla kai pros thn Antipoliteysh kai bebaiws pros oloys toys anqrwpoys kai paragontes poy diafwnoyn me ayth thn kinhsh toy k. Shmith.

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths kata thn omilia toy sth Boylh aneptyje toys logoys poy ton odhghsan se mia tetoia eishghsh pros ton Proedro ths Boylhs gia th syzhthsh peri paroxhs chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Ellada brisketai se mia krisimh fash, enocei twn megalwn stoxwn poy prepei na petyxoyme. Exoyme, kat` epanalhch, anaferqei s` aytoys toys stoxoys. Einai xrhsimo, gia thn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs, na parexetai pros aythn h megisth dynath politikh sthrijh, prokeimenoy, opws einai safhs h politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh, na einai safhs kai h sthrijh poy exei h Kybernhsh, wste se ena eynoiko gi` aythn periballon -eynoiko telikws gia olh thn Ellada politiko klima kai periballon- na proseggisei kai na petyxei aytoys toys stoxoys. O Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse kai epanalambanw, oti qa synexisoyme atalanteyta kai adiatarakta thn prospaqeia ayth, xwris perispasmoys apenanti se opoiesdhpote yponomeyseis kai empodia poy epidiwkoyn na anakocoyn ayth thn poreia. H chfos empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh apo thn pleiochfia ths Boylhs, kai malista thn pleiochfia etsi opws thn orise sthn politikh dhlwsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos, pisteyoyme oti apotelei ena prosqeto enisxytiko efodio sthn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs gia na petyxei toys megaloys stoxoys ths xwras.

MIXAHL: Eipate, opws safhs einai h politikh ths Kybernhshs, toso safhs qa einai kai h sthrijh. Eixate amfibolies gia th safhneia ths sthrijhs ayths;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei gi` ayto to qema apo thn prwth hmera kai apanthsame se sxetikes erwthseis. Gnwrizw poly kala oti eseis, kat` epanalhch, mesa sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn sas, stis analyseis poy kanete sto diko sas reportaz probainete se diaforoys sxoliasmoys gia to poia einai h katastash sthn politikh zwh ths xwras se kaqe komma xwrista kai sthn Kybernhsh. H shmerinh chfoforia sth Boylh qa apodeijei me ton pio lampro, kathgorhmatiko, safh, egkyro kai dhmokratiko tropo oti h Kybernhsh apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths pleiochfias ths Boylhs kai qa epibebaiwqei h sthrijh poy parexoyn pros aythn oi boyleytes poy exoyn eklegei me th shmaia toy PASOK kai anhkoyn sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy. Ayto einai kati to opoio eseis qa to sxoliasete kai qa to krinete, giati eseis epi poly kairo sxoliazete tis kinhseis h tis dhlwseis diaforwn politikwn paragontwn kai boyleytwn toy PASOK, me tetoio tropo poy katalhgei syxna kapoios sto symperasma, otan sas akoyei h otan diabazei ta keimena sas, oti h sthrijh ayth den parexetai pros thn Kybernhsh. Idoy, loipon, mesw ths shmerinhs diadikasias, na fanei an parexetai h oxi pros thn Kybernhsh ayth h sthrijh. H chfos empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh, pisteyw, qa aposafhnisei kai ayto to qema me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo.

MIXAHL: Aisqaneste oti ta opla ths Kybernhshs einai jeperasmenhs texnologias kai xreiazetai to epiprosqeto enisxytiko oplo ths sygxronhs texnologias -dikh moy h frash- ths chfoy empistosynhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Kybernhsh exei qesei poly ychla ton phxh. Oi filodojies poy exei h Kybernhsh mas exoyn sxesh me to mellon ths xwras, wste h Ellada na eiselqei me ajiwseis ston 21o aiwna. De dinoyme maxes opisqofylakhs. Epidiwkoyme thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE. H entajh ayth einai mia ek neoy eisodos ths xwras mas sthn Eyrwph kai malista me aysthra krithria kai proypoqeseis poy exoyn teqei kai basei twn opoiwn qa kriqei ayth h entajh ths xwras stis diadikasies ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs. Pisteyw oti, kaqws koitoyme pros to mellon, ta efodia ta opoia xreiazomaste einai ekeina ta opoia qa bohqhsoyn, wste na einai apotelesmatiko to diabhma mas ayto, h "efodos" mas sto mellon. Ayth einai h politikh mas.

SOYGLERHS: Ayth h chfos empistosynhs poy zhta h Kybernhsh mporei na einai jekaqarisma logariasmwn se eswkommatiko epipedo, opws afhsan na ennohqei oi hgetes twn kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo para ayto symbainei. Oi monoi logariasmoi me toys opoioys asxoleitai h Kybernhsh einai oi eqnikoi logariasmoi. Ta apotelesmata ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths Kybernhshs mexri shmera apodeiknyoyn pws exei petyxei, arista sxedon, s` ayto to epipedo.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta thn paraithsh toy k. Zwra apo th qesh toy sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, poios askei, twra, xreh Genikoy Grammatea;

REPPAS: Einai kati gia to opoio qa apofasisei o armodios Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths Kybernhshs apo thn eikona toy k. Pagkaloy na eforma se mia dhmosia yphresia kai na prophlakizei ypallhloys h apolymenoys; Ayto, kata th gnwmh sas, proagei thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizoyn oi polites;

REPPAS: Exete eseis kapoia eikona kata thn opoia o k. Pagkalos eforma kai prophlakizei polites;

FILHS: Pollaples kataggelies paristamenwn.

REPPAS: Dexeste tis kataggelies kai den dexeste th qesh poy exei diatypwsei, mesw ths anakoinwshs, to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. As einai. O k. Pagkalos stis dhlwseis toy htan apolyta safhs. Eipe oti gi` ayton ypertero olwn einai to na ejyphreteitai o poliths kai prokeimenoy na petyxei ayth thn ejyphrethsh toy polith, poy den prepei na antimetwpizetai ws ypozygio apo tis yphresies toy ellhnikoy kratoys, qa kanei ta panta. Qa probei se oles tis apotelesmatikes energeies, prokeimenoy na dwsei lyseis se yfistamena problhmata. Ayto, nomizw, einai mia qesh poy aphxei tis diaqeseis oxi mono olwn twn politikwn olwn twn kommatwn, alla kai twn politwn, poy epiqymoyn na ejyphretoyntai stis armodies yphresies kai na mhn antimetwpizontai sa na prokeitai gia exqroys h antipaloys twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Ayto einai to nohma ths ameshs epembashs toy k. Pagkaloy. H kinhsh ayth egine apo thn pleyra toy mono kai mono gia na doqei lysh se ena xronizon problhma.

FILHS: Poio einai to xronio problhma; N' apolyqoyn kapoioi ypallhloi;

REPPAS: Na einai eparkhs sthn antimetwpish twn ypoxrewsewn ths h Yphresia toy Metafrastikoy Tmhmatos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti to qema ayto yparxei edw kai arketes hmeres. To Ypoyrgeio protiqetai na proxwrhsei sthn kalych olwn twn yfistamenwn qesewn. Malista, symplhrwnei, ayjanei ton ariqmo twn qesewn aytwn, prokeimenoy na ejyphretoyntai kalytera kai taxytera oi synallassomenoi me thn Yphresia ayth. Otan parathreitai to fainomeno, prwhn ypallhloi oi opoioi den epiqymoyn na synexisoyn na ergazontai kai me thn paroysia toys parempodizoyn alloys ypallhloys na ergastoyn, antilambaneste pws ayto den mporei na parameinei xwris antimetwpish.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn anaferetai oti yparxei mia gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys toy 1995 epi th basei ths opoias den einai dynato na yparjei kaqestws symbashs ergasias aoristoy xronoy gia toys aitoyntes ayto ergazomenoys sto Metafrastiko Tmhma toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw, apo to 1995 mexri shmera kai apo to 1996 mexri shmera poy einai o k. Pagkalos Ypoyrgos, dhladh 2-3 xronia meta, gia poio logo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, an kai gnwrize th gnwmodothsh, den efhrmoze th gnwmodothsh ayth, para dhmioyrgei ceydeis prosdokies, estw -gia na eimai epieikhs- se ypallhloys oti mporoyn na parameinoyn ws aoristoy symbasews ypallhloi sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Xairomai poy deixnete toso megalo endiaferon kai eyaisqhsia gia thn efarmogh twn apofasewn twn organwn toy Kratoys. Pragmati, qa mporoyse to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn na probei se amesh apolysh twn sygkekrimenwn ypallhlwn. Opws anaferei sthn anakoinwsh toy to YPEJ, pisteyontas stis arxes ths prostateymenhs empistosynhs kai ths epieikeias, thn opoia prepei na epideiknyei to Dhmosio se analoges periptwseis, apeyqynqhke s' aytoys toys ypallhloys kai toys kalese na ypogracoyn symbaseis orismenoy xronoy, prokeimenoy gia sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma na synexisoyn na ergazontai. Oi misoi ek twn ypallhlwn toys opoioys afora mia tetoia ejelijh ypegracan tis sxetikes symbaseis kai synexizoyn na ergazontai, enw alloi arnhqhkan na proboyn se mia tetoia symbash me to Dhmosio. Gi` ayto akribws den mporei na parameinoyn sth qesh toys.

FILHS: Ayto synebh proxqes, to teleytaio diasthma. Gia tria omws xronia to Dhmosio dhmioyrgei ceydeis prosdokies kata thn ektimhsh poy na exei o kaqenas, symfwna me thn anakoinwsh toy k. Pagkaloy shmera, ceydeis prosdokies oti mporei na parameinoyn apasxoloymenoi me symbash aoristoy xronoy kapoioi ypallhloi. Edw yparxei mia "skasth" paranomia ek meroys toy k. Pagkaloy. Den thn blepete;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, den prepei na kalliergoyntai ceydeis prosdokies s' ekeinoys oi opoioi gnwrizoyn oti to kaqestws ergasias toys den einai tetoio poy na toys epitrepei na parameinoyn esaei, dia bioy, ergazomenoi sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Exoyme polles periptwseis ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Anaferw ena paradeigma kai epikaloymai tis symbaseis poy ypografontai sto plaisio ergasias twn ypallhlwn ths Ellhnikhs Radiofwnias-Thleorashs. Yparxoyn ananeoymenes symbaseis, yparxei ena kaqestws ergasias to opoio siwphla ananewnetai mexri na ypografoyn oi nees symbaseis. Ayto se kamia periptwsh den odhgei sto na isxyrizetai kapoios pws exei mia symbash me to Dhmosio poy epiballei sto Dhmosio na krata stoys kolpoys toy enan ypallhlo san na einai ypallhlos me symbash aoristoy xronoy.

FILHS: Den afora monon toys epta polites, einai geniko problhma. Oi ennea aytoi anqrwpoi, oi dekaeji sthn arxh, oi ennea twra poy epimenoyn na mhn ypogracoyn symbash orismenoy ergoy, epi tria xronia plhrwnontai me bash to kaqestws ths aoristoy symbasews. Edw kai tria xronia to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys -etsi mas leei shmera o k. Pagkalos- exei pei oti den einai nomimo. Prokyptoyn eyqynes poinikes kai politikes gia ta armodia organa toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn; Kai deytero erwthma: Yparxoyn kataggelies oti h Yphresia ayth toy YPEJ exei metatrapei se yphresia ejyphrethshs roysfetiwn, oti dioristhkan me to ena h to allo kaqestws stelexh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai atoma poy tyxaiws proerxontai apo thn eklogikh perifereia toy k. Pagkaloy. S' ayto ti apantate;

REPPAS: Prwton, to qema elabe ayth thn ejelijh, otan chfisthke kai teqhke se isxy o neos Organismos toy YPEJ. Ayto egine me to nomo 2594 toy trexontos etoys. Ara, dhmioyrghqhke mia nea katastash me thn chfish toy neoy Organismoy kai odhghqhkame s' aytes tis ejelijeis. Oson afora tis kataggelies stis opoies kai eseis anafereste, parakalw tis kataggelies na tis apeyqynete armodiws, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn kai na ekdoqoyn oi apofaseis oi opoies mporei na perilambanoyn kai kyrwseis an den efarmosthke o nomos. S` aytes tis periptwseis ekdidetai Prajh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy meta apo egkrish ths Trimeloys Ypoyrgikhs Epitrophs kai basei ayths ths egkrishs ejelissetai h olh diadikasia proslhchs ergazomenwn gia orismeno xrono sto Dhmosio.

BITALHS: Sto idio qema. Anaferqhkate sto neo Kanonismo toy YPEJ. Omws me to neo ayto Kanonismo yparxei monimopoihsh hdh 13 ypallhlwn poy yphretoysan sto Metafrastiko Tmhma se proswpopageis qeseis. Giati ayto to kaqestws den efarmosthke gia toys ypoloipoys 17; Ena deytero erwthma: Kalyptei to YPEJ anagkes ths Metafrastikhs Yphresias, dioti yparxei polys kosmos poy epiqymei na ejyphrethqei, proslambanontas me 8mhnes symbaseis ergoy anqrwpoys oi opoioi erxontai sto Ypoyrgeio paramones dhmotikwn eklogwn, 9 Oktwbrioy. Sas problhmatizoyn aytes oi hmeromhnies twn proslhcewn; Kai ena trito erwthma: Anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sthn epishmh qesh toy YPEJ mesw ths anakoinwshs poy ejedwse. Ypoqetw kai egw oti mporei h anakoinwsh na apodidei th safh eikona poy yphrje xqes sto Metafrastiko Tmhma. Lew, omws, sthn periptwsh poy den apodidei safws thn eikona th xqesinh h anakoinwsh, protiqetai h Kybernhsh peraiterw na diereynhsei kapoia apo ta zhthmata poy proekycan oson afora th dhmosia eikona kai th dhmosia symperifora enos Ypoyrgoy, an ypoqesoyme oti isxyoyn oi kataggelies twn anqrwpwn poy tis ekanan xqes;

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, den einai logiko ayth thn wra na sxoliasoyme to periexomeno enos nomoy o opoios chfisthke, einai nomos toy Kratoys, teqhke se isxy kai prepei na efarmostei.

Oson afora to deytero qema, den gnwrizw poioi einai oi isxyrismoi ekeinwn oi opoioi miloyn gi' ayth th symperifora toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai sygkekrimena toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy. Gnwrizw, omws, oti yparxei ena problhma sth Metafrastikh Yphresia, edw kai arketes hmeres, to opoio eprepe na antimetwpistei. Kai eprepe na antimetwpistei m' ena tetoio tropo, wste telikws na dieykolynontai oi polites poy synallassontai me thn Yphresia ayth.

Oi kataggelies poy exoyn diatypwqei exoyn parei to dromo toys. O synhgoros twn kataggeloyswn exei kanei kapoies dhlwseis kai exei analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia, apeyqynomenos sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayth thn wra den xreiazetai na kanoyme opoiadhpote allh ypoqesh, dioti ayto afenos den einai swsto, den einai deontologiko, efoson ta dikastika organa qa epilhfqoyn, afeteroy einai poly shmantiko na meinoyme se mia qesh, poy pisteyw oti mas briskei oloys symfwnoys. Kai h qesh ayth den einai allh apo thn prwtarxikh shmasia poy exei sth synallagh me tis dhmosies yphresies, oi polites na ejyphretoyntai kai na mhn antimetwpizontai ws ypozygia. Ayth, pisteyw, einai mia qesh poy aphxei tis diaqeseis olwn mas.

KARAGIANNH: Gia thn Kybernhsh, anejarthta apo thn alhqeia, thn akribeia h thn anakribeia twn kataggeliwn gia thn Kybernhsh, h antimetwpish twn kaqhmerinwn problhmatwn toy polith, apotelei alloqi h meson gia na aitiologhqoyn, endexomenws, akraies symperifores kybernhtikwn stelexwn;

REPPAS: Asfalws ayto den symbainei. H Kybernhsh kaqe allo para epiqymei, me tis prwtoboylies kai ta metra poy pairnei, sto plaisio antimetwpishs twn kaqhmerinwn problhmatwn, na epidoqei se mia antiparaqesh me ena tmhma twn ergazomenwn sto dhmosio tomea. Apo thn allh, h Kybernhsh den dexetai pws ergazomenoi sto dhmosio tomea, gia logoys poy aforoyn toys idioys kai mono toys idioys, mporei na epideiknyoyn mia tetoia symperifora, h opoia, telika, blaptei toys polites, toys synanqrwpoys mas oi opoioi synwqoyntai epi para polles wres se diadromoys, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethqoyn. Qa prepei na yparxei mia aisqhsh xreoys kai kaqhkontos apo oloys toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Kai bebaiws, h Kybernhsh diaqetei, sto baqmo poy einai anqrwpinws dynato, ayth thn aisqhsh xreoys kai kaqhkontos. Gi` ayto kai o sygkekrimenos Ypoyrgos proebh se mia tetoia energeia, wste na doqei amesh lysh se ena, apo kairo, yfistameno problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Doqhkan oi apolyseis stis ennea aytes kyries; Koinopoihqhkan apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Oles tis diadikastikes leptomereies mporeite na tis plhroforhqeite apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. An einai dynaton na syzhthsoyme -hdh syzhtame arketh wra- tetoioy eidoys leptomereies sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws qa fygei enas apo th doyleia toy, xwris na exei parei apolysh;;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti otan lhgei h symbash poy exei ypogracei kapoios, den xreiazetai kapoia allh dioikhtikh energeia h prajh. Apo th stigmh poy lhgei h symbash ergasias poy exeis, payei, ara, na yfistatai kai to kaqestws, sto opoio mexri protinos hsoyn entagmenos. Ayta einai aytonohta k. Stamatopoyle. Giati qelete na ta syzhthsoyme edw;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes kathgorhsate ton k. Karamanlh oti eipe "mikro" ton Prwqypoyrgo kai oti den exei hqos. O k. Pagkalos me toys xqesinoys trampoykismoys, ayto einai to hqos kai to yfos ths Kybernhshs; Ayto edeije;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, diatypwnontas ayth thn kritikh, den xrhsimopoihsa tis lejeis poy xrhsimopoihsate shmera eseis. Milhsa gia th symperifora ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths N. D., kata th diarkeia ths omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto den prepei na sas diafeygei.

Deyteron, me th symperifora toy o k. Pagkalos epidiwkei thn amesh antimetwpish enos yfistamenoy problhmatos, to opoio oso yparxei qigei symferonta politwn, poy synallassontai me mia dhmosia yphresia kai antimetwpizontai me enan tropo, o opoios kaqe allo para deixnei eikona xwras, poy einai melos ths E. E., en etei 1998. Ayta ta fainomena prepei na ta ejaleicoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h symperifora toy Ypoyrgoy, gia na lynei ta problhmata, qa mpainoyn oi Ypoyrgoi mesa kai qa "plakwnoyn" ton kosmo sto jylo, gia na lysoyn ta problhmata; Ayth einai, dhladh, symperifora;

REPPAS: Ayto den to kanoyn oi Ypoyrgoi....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi Ypoyrgoi ths.... eyrwpaikhs xwras! Pws den to kanoyn; Ti egine xqes;

REPPAS: Den to kanoyn oi Ypoyrgoi, alla apo thn allh, bebaiws, kai oi ypallhloi den einai dynaton na antimetwpizoyn toys polites san na einai oi antipaloi toys, san na einai ypozygia. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Tetoia fainomena prepei na ekleicoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati teleytaio. Oi ergazomenoi, aytoi poy apolyqhkan kai prophlakisthkan kai jylokophqhkan, ekanan mhnysh. O Prwqypoyrgos kai san Proedros toy PASOK, qa zhthsei apo toys boyleytes na aroyn thn asylia toy k. Pagkaloy, otan qa erqei to qema sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto qa syzhthsei h Boylh, an kai otan erqei ekeinh h wra. Parakalw, omws, esas, prin erqei ekeinh h wra, na mhn ekdwsete th "dikastikh apofash", thn opoia hdh ekdwsate. Lete oti "kai jylokophqhkan kai prophlakisthkan" kai antimetwpisthkan me biaio tropo. Afhste na kanoyn kati kai oi Dikastes, giati synhqizete na kalyptete tis armodiothtes olwn twn allwn paragontwn toy dhmosioy bioy ths xwras. Ekdidete porismata epi pantos qematos. Afhste na leitoyrghsoyn kai oi qesmoi. Afhste na leitoyrghsoyn kai oi yphresies toy kratoys!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo sas rwtaw. H Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dwsei entolh stoys boyleytes, opws kapoios allos, na arqei h asylia toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti sto plaisio twn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn, oi boyleytes ekfrazontai eleyqera, chfizoyn kata syneidhsh. An symbei kati tetoio, qa exete ki eseis ypoch sas poia einai h stash thn opoia epeleje na krathsei kaqe boyleyths.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos, me thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse xqes to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn alla kai me shmerines toy dhlwseis, ki eseis twra, mas lete oti ola ayta ta ekane, dioti epiteloys oi Yphresies prepei na leitoyrgoyn gia ejyphrethsh toy polith kai den mporei kaneis na tis empodisei. Qa hqela na hjera, kai parakalw poly an den mporeite na apanthsete twra cajte to, giati o k. Pagkalos den ekane o idios, ws Ypoyrgos, analogoy eidoys ereynes se diplwmatikes yphresies ths xwras kai sto ejwteriko -Projeneia, bizes, paranomies- me kataggelies aperxomenwn, etsi wste kai na ejyphretoyntai oi polites swsta kai na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata poy ekqetoyn th xwra -prosfata, yparxoyn dhmosieymata ston germaniko Typoy gia ta Projeneia sto Amboyrgo kai se alles xwres- kai epipleon na mhn antimetwpizoyme ws koinwnia, sto baqmo poy antimetwpizoyme, problhmata olwn aytwn twn paranomwn metanastwn poy erxontai sth xwra. Parakalw poly: Ti apantate epi ths politikhs kai epi twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn na ereynhsei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Einai sobaro qema kai mhn exete kamia amfibolia oti me ta qemata ayta exei asxolhqei to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Otan me kaleite na cajw to qema pws exei, moy dhmioyrgeitai mia aporia: Giati eseis, toso kairo, sto plaisio toy dhmosiografikoy reportaz, den caxnete to qema, afoy einai toso shmantiko, wste na exete ypoch sas ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia qa sas einai xrhsima gia na bgalete to symperasma sas;

MIXAHL: Egracan oi efhmerides, k. Ypoyrge. Kai kataggelies dhmosieyqhkan.

REPPAS: Giati den to qetete ayto edw kai toso kairo, poy to exete dei ws qema, sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, prokeimenoy na exete ypoch sas ola ta sxetika stoixeia;

MIXAHL: Giati elpizoyme oti o k. Pagkalos qa deijei thn idia eyaisqhsia -poy edeije gia to metafrastiko tmhma- kai gia tis yphresies aytes me bash tis kataggelies poy exoyn ginei kai blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

REPPAS: Asfalws, den proteinete o k. Pagkalos na tajideysei se ola ta Projeneia toy kosmoy. Zhtate, mallon, na epilhfqoyn oi armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Kai oi armodies yphresies, na mhn exete kamia amfibolia, kanoyn osa prepei.

PITTARAS: To prwi o k. Khpoyros sthn topoqethsh toy sth Boylh eipe pws an o Prwqypoyrgos den anakalesei thn apofash diagrafhs toy, tote ta mesanykta qa dhlwsei parwn. Kat' arxhn fobaste oti qa exete ki alles tetoies diaforopoihseis; Kai, deyteron, poies kyrwseis qa epiblhqoyn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti, otan enas boyleyths kaleitai na chfisei kata syneidhsh prepei na to kanei xwris na qetei sth zygaria apo th mia th syneidhsh toy kai apo thn allh kapoioy eidoys diapragmateysh, prokeimenoy na apofasisei gia thn chfo toy, gia thn telikh stash poy qa thrhsei. Oi boyleytes klhqhkan na ekfrasoyn, dinontas thn chfo toys sthn Kybernhsh, th sthrijh toys pros thn Kybernhsh. O k. Khpoyros kai oloi oi alloi boyleytes einai ekeinoi, kai monon ekeinoi, armodioi na apofasisoyn gia to ti qa kanoyn. Den prokeitai h Kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos na mpoyn se enan eidos pazarioy h diapragmateyshs, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisoyn chfoys. Giati h chfos poy didetai, didetai gia poly sygkekrimeno logo kai den mporei na einai apotelesma opoiwndhpote tetoiwn diomologhsewn. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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