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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Se liga lepta qa exete sth diaqesh sas thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Egw sas enhmerwnw, en taxei, gia th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Synedriase gia prwth fora shmera me th nea synqesh toy. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia syntomh omilia. Anaferqhke se qemata sygkyrias kai tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Mporw na xrhsimopoihsw thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kanontas epishs kapoies prosqetes epishmanseis. Nomizw oti h Kybernhsh, h opoia, xwris allages sth synqesh ths, qhteyse gia perissotero apo dyo xronia, yphrje mia apo tis makrobioteres kybernhseis, sth metapoliteytikh periodo. Ayto an syndyastei me thn paragwgh qetikoy ergoy pisteyoyme oti apo mono toy einai ena qetiko stoixeio gia th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn.

Oi allages stis opoies proxwrhse o Prwqypoyrgos, oson afora th synqesh toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos, exoyn stoxo th dhmioyrgikh prooptikh ths Kybernhshs. Eimaste se mia krisimh periodo kai qa prepei na synexisoyme atalanteyta thn prospaqeia mas, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme toys megaloys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei kata proteraiothta:

-Na diasfalisoyme, dhladh, thn akeraiothta ths xwras enanti ejwterikwn kindynwn kai opoiasdhpote epiboylhs.

-Na petyxoyme thn entajh ths xwras mas ws isotimoy meloys sthn ONE.

-Na fanoyme pio apotelesmatikoi, pio taxeis sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toy o poliths. H poiothta zwhs toy polith brisketai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos ths Kybernhshs.

Oi allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma ejasfalizoyn thn aparaithth synexeia, mias kai briskomaste se mia krisimh fash, sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia thn epiteyjh twn megalwn eqnikwn kai koinwnikwn stoxwn. Kai apo thn allh h ananewsh, h opoia kai ayth einai anagkaia, odhgei se mia nea proseggish pollwn qematwn, prokeimenoy na ta antimetwpisoyme pio apotelesmatika. Dinei ton tono mias neas entashs sto ryqmo leitoyrgias ths Kybernhshs. Ayto shmainei oti h prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs exei safh politiko prosanatolismo. To programma ths, opws exei ejaggelqei, efarmozetai kai einai gnwsto se sas.

Ayth h safhneia toy programmatos kai ths politikhs ths Kybernhshs apaitei na einai to idio safhs h politikh sthrijh poy apolambanei h Kybernhsh kai gi` ayto, akribws, peran twn allagwn sto kybernhtiko sxhma, o Prwqypoyrgos zhta, sto plaisio twn syntagmatikwn diadikasiwn, chfo empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh, gia na katadeixqei ayth, akribws, h politikh sthrijh thn opoia apolambanei h Kybernhsh. Na epibebaiwqei h politikh kyriarxia ths Kybernhshs kai h dynatothta ths na petyxei thn oloklhrwsh toy programmatos ths.

Gnwrizete, allwste, oti gia to qema ayto o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase th qesh pws den arkeitai sth syntagmatikh pleiochfia, ayth poy qa toy epetrepe na kyberna, efoson ekfrazotan sto plaisio ths diadikasias paroxhs chfoy empistosynhs, opws problepetai apo thn par. 6 toy arqroy 84 toy Syntagmatos.

Epidiwkoyme kai eimaste bebaioi oti qa ejasfalisoyme thn apolyth pleiochfia toy synoloy twn boyleytwn, prokeimenoy etsi na katadeixqei h adiatarakth kai atalanteyth poreia ths Kybernhshs, sto plaisio efarmoghs toy programmatos ths.

Pisteyoyme, oti to synolo twn boyleytwn poy anhkoyn sto PASOK qa yperchfisoyn thn Kybernhsh. Antilambaneste pws mia tetoia kinhsh exei ena isxyro politiko symbolismo. Epishs, h trihmerh syzhthsh sth Boylh qa dwsei th dynatothta sthn Kybernhsh na paroysiasei, gia mia akomh fora, to ergo ths ston ellhniko lao kai qa apokalycei thn endeia qesewn kai protasewn ths Antipoliteyshs, thn apoysia enallaktikwn lysewn, se sxesh me tis lyseis h tis epiloges ths Kybernhshs, gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Mporeite sas parakalw na mas dieykrinisete ti shmainei to synolo twn boyleytwn h h apolyth pleiochfia twn boyleytwn; Dhladh, to 151 sas arkei h qelete to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Epiqymoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa ejasfalisoyme thn chfo empistosynhs toy synoloy twn boyleytwn poy anhkoyn sto PASOK. To qema poy tiqetai, sto plaisio ayths ths diadikasias, egkeitai se toyto: Den arkeitai o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh sthn ekfrash empistosynhs, h opoia ikanopoiei to syntagmatiko krithrio toy arqroy 84 par. 6, alla topoqetoyme pio chla ton phxh kai zhtoyme na ekfrastei h empistosynh pros thn Kybernhsh apo thn apolyth pleiochfia toy synoloy twn boyleytwn kai oxi monon twn parontwn boyleytwn. Ayto shmainei oti h Kybernhsh epidiwkei na ekfrastei kai pali h "dedhlwmenh" ths apolyths pleiochfias twn boyleytwn. Apo thn allh, den shmainei oti h Kybernhsh arkeitai sthn apolyth pleiochfia kai den prosblepei sthn epichfish toy programmatos kai twn protasewn ths apo to synolo twn boyleytwn toy PASOK. Alla -kai edw einai h eidopoios diafora- apo 151 chfoys kai anw gnwrizete oti mia kybernhsh exei thn empistosynh ths Boylhs. Kai einai qema eswteriko pleon to an, sto plaisio ayths ths chfoforias, ekfrasoyn me arnhtikh pros thn Kybernhsh chfo h stash th diafwnia toys kapoioi synadelfoi. Einai allo to eswteriko qema kai allo to syntagmatiko-qesmiko problhma, to opoio qa prokycei an h Kybernhsh den ejasfalisei thn apolyth pleiochfia toy synoloy twn boyleytwn. Ayto einai ena problhma to opoio afora thn Kybernhsh kai th xwra, dhladh, h mh ejasfalish ths apolyths pleiochfias toy synoloy twn boyleytwn. Kai einai allo qema to an kapoioi apo toys anhkontes sto PASOK boyleytes den chfisoyn qetika s` ayth thn protash ths Kybernhshs. Den mporei na proklhqei sygxysh gia to pws qa xeiristei o Prwqypoyrgos ena eswteriko qema, se sxesh me toys xeirismoys kai tis analoges epiloges poy aforoyn th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Ayth th dieykrinish ekana xqes to brady stoys synadelfoys sas kai thn epanalambanw shmera me aformh thn erwthsh sas gia na einai ayto safes.

KIAOS: Gia poioys logoys o Prwqypoyrgos proxwrei se ayth thn protash kai zhtei na anabaqmistei me thn chfo empistosynhs; Gia poioys logoys;

REPPAS: Eipa oti briskomaste se mia krisimh fash gia thn antimetwpish twn megalwn qematwn ths xwras. Ayto apaitei apo thn Kybernhsh poy odhgei th xwra sto mellon na exei mia safh politikh, thn opoia qa askei atalanteyta kai adiatarakta. H idia safhneia, omws, prepei na prokyptei kai oson afora thn politikh sthrijh, poy apolambanei h Kybernhsh sth Boylh -peran apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh h amfibolia- kai gi` ayto akribws oi allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma synodeyontai me thn prwtoboylia ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy na ananewqei h empistosynh ths Boylhs pros thn Kybernhsh kai malista sto orio ekeino poy brisketai poly chlotera apo ayto to opoio to idio to Syntagma sto arqro 84 par. 6 problepei. Epeidh, akribws, prepei na einai safhs kai adiamfisbhthth ayth h sthrijh, proxwrhsame s` ayth thn prwtoboylia.

KIAOS: Exei diataraxqei, ws ta twra, kai poio einai to paradeigma, na mas to dwsete sygkekrimena, poy o synolikos ariqmos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK oti den sthrizei thn Kybernhsh shmera kai xreiazetai na anabaqmistei me thn chfo toy sth Boylh. Rwtw giati eipate oti "h safhs politikh apaitei kai safh politikh sthrijh". Den thn exei th safh politikh sthrijh;

REPPAS: Milwntas gia sxetika qemata, kat` epanalhch, me akoysate na lew pws, sto plaisio ths dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias toy kommatos, einai stoixeio ygeias na ekfrazontai diafores apoceis. Ayto to opoio prepei na epishmainetai pantote einai h apolyth sthrijh poy exei h Kybernhsh toy PASOK apo thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy th sthrizei gia na synexisei to ergo ths. H diadikasia ayth, thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos prokrinei, pisteyoyme oti qa apodeijei pws ayth h politikh sthrijh parexetai pros thn Kybernhsh. Den tiqetai opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh h amfibolia gia thn empistosynh poy xairei h Kybernhsh sth Boylh apo thn apolyth pleiochfia twn boyleytwn. Kai, bebaiws, epeidh yparxei o politikos symbolismos, poy den einai amelhteos, pisteyoyme oti h empistosynh ayth prepei amesws na ekfrastei kai sto plaisio mias diadikasias poy problepei to Syntagma, ayth thn wra, poy mporoyme na poyme oti eimaste se mia nea afethria -anoigei mia nea periodos- prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo poy mas empisteyqhke o ellhnikos laos kai na petyxoyme toys megaloys stoxoys. Gi` ayto, akribws, proxwroyme s` ayth th diadikasia, h opoia qa dwsei th dynatothta na katadeixqei me ameso kai eyqy tropo oti h Kybernhsh apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths Boylhs kai exei thn aparaithth isxyrh politikh sthrijh gia na synexisei aproskopta to ergo ths.

KIAOS: Prosblepete kai stis chfoys twn triwn diagrafentwn-apomakrynqentwn;

REPPAS: Emeis, epeidh pisteyoyme oti to ergo ths Kybernhshs einai qetiko, qa eprepe na prosblepoyme sthn epichcish ths protashs akomh kai apo boyleytes poy anhkoyn sta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs. Alla, epeidh, bebaiws h mikrokommatikh skopimothta pantote s` aytes tis periptwseis paizei ton kyrio rolo, den eimaste idiaitera aisiodojoi. Pisteyw, omws, oti mia tetoia prosdokia, katw apo alles synqhkes, qa htan mia apolyta dikaiologhmenh prosdokia.

KIAOS: Hrqate se synennohsh, kaqisate sto trapezi me ta kommata sta opoia anafereste; Epeidh, twra, anoigete ena megalo kefalaio. Gi `ayto sas erwtw. Kaqisate sto trapezi me thn ka Paparhga, ton k. Kwnstantopoylo, ton k. Tsobola kai ton k. Karamanlh;

REPPAS: Den kaqisame sto trapezi me kanenan. Giati, den synhqizoyme na kaqomaste se trapezia kai na kanoyme tetoioy eidoys politikes kinhseis. Ayto to opoio mas endiaferei einai na antapokriqoyme sto xreos mas. To xreos epiballei na synexisoyme to ergo to opoio, hdh, apodidei karpoys. Epitygxanoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Ayto shmainei oti eimaste se swsth poreia. Apo ekei kai pera einai xreos twn allwn kommatwn, an den symfwnoyn me ayth thn politikh, na antiproteinoyn to diko toys programma, pragma to opoio mexri twra den exoyn kanei, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths xwras. Kai en pash periptwsei sta shmeia ekeina sta opoia anagnwrizoyn tis epityxies ths Kybernhshs, opws aytes einai katagegrammenes apo ta apotelesmata poy exoyn prokycei, oxi apo tis diakhryjeis kai tis ejaggelies mono, s` aytes, toylaxiston, tis periptwseis qa eprepe na ekfrasoyn th symparatajh toys. Kai den to kanoyn.

KIAOS: Apostates gyreyete dhladh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti apo fainomena apostasias exei plhgei h dhmokratikh paratajh. H dhmokratikh paratajh loipon, h opoia shmera ekfrazetai kata kyrio logo apo to PASOK, exei to xreos na odhghsei th xwra sto mellon kai qa to kanei ayto epidiwkontas thn eyryterh dynath syspeirwsh twn laikwn dynamewn sto programma ths Kybernhshs kai giati oxi thn yperchfish twn qesewn ths Kybernhshs apo ton megalytero kata to dynato ariqmo boyleytwn. Ayto einai kati to opoio einai apolytws qemito.

KIAOS: Exete janadei boyleyth poy briskete se ena komma na phgainei na chfizei allo komma gia na to bgalei kybernhsh, xwris na kaqisei na syzhthsei mazi toy ;

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes chfizoyn kata syneidhsh. Egw gnwrizw kai xairomai poy metaqetete th syzhthsh s' ayto to pedio -oti...

KIAOS: Giati apeyqyneste stoys boyleytes oi opoioi sas chfisoyn toy PASOK kai toys zhtate na janachfisoyn kai lete oti ean den me chfisete einai to Katastatiko toy Kommatos kai sas diwxnw. Giati to lete ayto;

REPPAS: Giati pisteyoyme oti to ergo to opoio exei kanei h Kybernhsh sygkinei, prokalei endiaferon kai gi' ayto to logo sygkentrwnei thn epidokimasia kai katw apo alles synqhkes qa mporoyse na sygkentrwsei kai thn chfo dynamewn poy mexri shmera den exoyn ekfrastei yper toy PASOK.

KIAOS: Den moy apanthsate gia toys treis boyleytes. Sas janarwtw gia na teleiwnoyme. Kedikogloy, Khpoyro kai Gikonogloy..

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti den anhkoyn sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK. Gnwrizete, apo thn allh, oti exoyn eklegei me th shmaia kai to programma toy PASOK. Einai piqanotato kai mporei kapoios logika skeptomenos na anamenei na chfisoyn qetika s' ayth thn protash. Alla einai kati to opoio qa gnwrisete me akribeia an rwthsete toys idioys toys synadelfoys. Einai kati gia to opoio den mporw na milhsw egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti einai qema eswteriko pleon, ean kapoioi boyleytes dhladh apo toys 151 ews toys 160 den chfisoyn. Aytoi an den chfisoyn qetoyn ton eayto toys ektos kommatos;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti tetoio qema den exei prokycei. Emeis exoyme th bebaiothta oti h protash qa yperchfistei apo to synolo twn boyleytwn toy PASOK. Bebaiws, an qelete na qewrhtikologhsoyme, mporw na dextw oti efoson prokycei ena tetoio endexomeno, antilambaneste oti qa epilhfqoyn ta armodia organa prokeimenoy na yparjei h deoysa apanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se enamish mhna qa syzhthqei o proypologismos. O proypologismos einai chfos empistosynhs sthn Kybernhsh. To eixate pei kai eseis. Giati zhthse twra, afoy se enamish mhna oytws h allws qa epairne chfo empistosynhs.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy eiste toso sigoyros oti oytws h allws se ena mhna, otan qa syzhthqei o proypologismos, qa labei chfo empistosynhs h Kybernhsh. S' ayto toylaxiston symfwnoyme. Ayto to opoio odhghse s' ayth thn apofash, einai akribws h apaithsh wste opws einai safhs h politikh ths Kybernhshs, na einai s' ayth thn krisimh fash, poy ginetai mia kainoyrgia arxh, ena neo jekinhma, to idio safhs h megalh politikh sthrijh poy exei sth Boylh h Kybernhsh. Einai o tropos aytos -opws eipa kai prin- eyqys kai amesos kai edw kaloyntai oi synadelfoi na chfisoyn analogws. To oti qa exei h Kybernhsh th xara mesa se toso mikro xroniko diasthma na tyxei diplhs epidokimasias, ayto einai qetiko, den einai arnhtiko. Milame gia thn Kybernhsh kai gia ton ellhniko lao. Apo kei kai pera -eipa prin- poios einai o logos ayths ths epiloghs kai pisteyw oti o logos aytos einai peistikos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws, kyrie Ypoyrge, fobhqhke thn protash momfhs apo thn antipoliteysh kai etreje na proftasei o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Oxi mono den fobomaste, alla...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai mporei gia ejh mhnes twra na exei egklwbisei thn antipoliteysh;

REPPAS: Den eiste kala enhmerwmenos

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati;

REPPAS: Dioti h antipoliteysh mporei na kataqesei protash dyspistias. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporei.

REPPAS: Mporei. Alla bebaiws, an h Kybernhsh me ayth thn prwtoboylia exei labei chfo empistosynhs, antilambaneste oti einai politika akairo kai pantws aney nohmatos h antipoliteysh na probei se protash dyspistias pros thn Kybernhsh. Den exei kamia sxesh h mia diadikasia me thn allh. To Syntagma tis exei plhrws diaxwrisei. Mporei h antipoliteysh na analabei ayth thn prwtoboylia kai as thn analabei. H Kybernhsh, allwste, me thn prwtoboylia ths ayth, an qelete, prokalei kai thn antipoliteysh. Giati h Kybernhsh qewrei ayto poy oloi eseis lete oti einai dedomeno, pws to diekdikei kai pali. Ara, loipon, afhnei -kai miloyme qewrhtika- ola ta endexomena anoixta. Na pame akoma kai se ekloges, an katachfistei h Kybernhsh, me apotelesma oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi amesws h emmesws deixnoyn oti epiqymoyn mia tetoia ejelijh, ayth thn wra na fantazoyn aifnidiasmenoi kai oligon panikoblhtoi. Ara loipon, h Kybernhsh einai etoimh na synexisei to ergo ths kai na antimetwpisei oles tis proklhseis. H Kybernhsh einai "epiqetikh", h Kybernhsh -an qelete- prokalei thn antipoliteysh na analabei tis eyqynes ths. Me ayth thn ennoia -giati exei kai ayth th diastash h prwtoboylia gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros sthn Kybernhsh- as prajoyn oloi analogws kai qa kriqoyn apo ayto to opoio qa prajoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioys apeileite twra; Thn eswkommatikh antipoliteysh toy PASOK; Aytoys lete;

REPPAS: Tosh wra gia thn antipoliteysh sas milaw. Gia ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, den sas miloysa tosh wra;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn eswkommatikh antipoliteysh milhsate.

REPPAS: As to kleisoyme ayto to qema. Mporei h antipoliteysh na kataqesei protash dyspistias. Sas synistw na th metaferete an den plhroforhqei th qesh moy ayth, prokeimenoy na probei se kataqesh protashs momfhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy na th metaferw;

REPPAS: Na th metaferete sto koino, wste emmesws na lhfqei ypoch ap' oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn endiaferon na ajiopoihsoyn ejypnes idees, ejypnes protaseis.

KARAKWSTAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw prwton: Doqentos oti dihrkese mish wra to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, an diatypwqhkan diaforetikes apoceis h enstaseis ek meroys twn Ypoyrgwn.

REPPAS: Eipa oti den milhse oydeis allos, plhn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KARAKWSTAS: Deyteron, ean apantate kati stis epikriseis stelexwn apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai triton, pws qa eklabete to gegonos an yparjei chfos empistosynhs apo toys kyrioys Soyflia kai Mano;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola, ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs qa exoyn th dynatothta na antiparateqoyn me th Kybernhsh sth Boylh, prokeimenoy etsi sto pedio opoy prepei na anaptyssetai o politikos dialogos, kat' ejoxhn, sto Koinoboylio dhladh, na fanerwsoyn ta epixeirhmata toys, ta programmatika toys opla, gia na krinei h koinh gnwmh poios einai aytos o opoios diaqetei programma kai poios einai aytos o opoios ejantlei thn paroysia toy se wraioys logoys xwris periexomeno. Oson afora th diadikasia ths chfoforias sth Boylh, eipa prin oti emeis epiqymoyme na apodeixtei, gia mia akomh fora, oti h Kybernhsh diaqetei thn isxyrh politikh sthrijh poy prokyptei apo th sygkentrwsh ths apolyths pleiochfias twn chfwn toy synoloy twn boyleytwn. Opoiosdhpote boyleyths chfisei etsi h alliws, qa kriqei gia thn epilogh toy. Kai pantws pisteyw oti kaqe boyleyths qa chfisei kata syneidhsh kai symfwna me tis dikes toy antilhceis kai protimhseis. Einai kati to opoio ek twn proterwn den qa prodikasw kai poly perissotero den qa krinw.

KARAKWSTAS: Mh yperchfish kybernhtikwn boyleytwn shmatodotei kati, opws eipate prin. Yperchfish ek meroys anejarthtwn boyleytwn, opws Soyflia kai Manoy shmatodotei kati allo;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti den einai h katallhlh stigmh na kanoyme askhseis epi xartoy, giati den einai kai poly deontologiko na syzhtoyme gia th stash synadelfwn erhmhn twn synadelfwn. Me ayth thn ennoia den exw na prosqesw tipota allo sthn apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws.

KIAOS: Prohgoymenws alla legate.

REPPAS: Den ekana kamia onomastikh anafora. Alla edw, asfalws, apo toys 300 boyleytes ths Boylhs, eimai mono egw. Ayto den shmainei oti den mporoyme na milame gia toys boyleytes kai th Boylh. Den ekana kamia onomastikh anafora. Yparxei paranohsh, profanws.

KIAOS: Den einai sygkekrimena onomata oi boyleytes oi opoioi peran toy PASOK briskontai sta kommata ths N. D., toy K. K. E., toy DHKI kai toy Synaspismoy; Den einai sygkekrimenes politikes ontothtes; S' aytoys den apeyqynqhkate prohgoymenws;

REPPAS: Oi 300 boyleytes exoyn sygkekrimena onomata. Ayto den shmainei oti den qa syzhtoyme gia toys boyleytes, gia ta dikaiwmata toys, gia tis dynatothtes toys...

KIAOS: Den eipate oti "prosdokoyme na `rqeite na mas chfisete"; Ayto den eipate;

REPPAS: Eipa oti katw apo alles synqhkes, ayto qa htan kati poy logika qa to prosdokoyse kapoios. Me dedomeno oti h Kybernhsh exei qetiko ergo to opoio den mporei para na sygkentrwnei thn epidokimasia kai allwn dynamewn. Ayto einai mia politikh ektimhsh poy moy epitrepetai na kanw. Kai den exei kamia sxesh me thn krish ths symperiforas h thn eikasia gia thn chfo, poy qa dwsoyn sygkekrimenoi kai onomatizomenoi synadelfoi. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Kai parakalw ola ayta ta qemata na ta sxoliazete afoy deite to synolo twn topoqethsewn, xwris na temaxisete tis apoceis mas, giati etsi bgainei telikws ena symperasma, to opoio einai meriko symperasma.

DELATOLAS: Sto plaisio ths kalhs synergasias poy exei o k. Shmiths me oloys toys Ypoyrgoys, alla kai me ta koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK, zhthse thn apoch orismenwn koryfaiwn Ypoyrgwn gia th synqesh ths Kybernhshs; Kai an gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos entos twn hmerwn qa probei kai se meriko anasxhmatismo toy stenoy toy epiteleioy ;

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, o Prwqypoyrgos proxwrhse stis epiloges kata ton tropo poy ekeinos ekrine ws ton katallhlotero. Gnwrizete oti exei ayth thn ejoysia kai armodiothta poy apo oloys anagnwrizetai kai ayth thn armodiothta askhse kata tropo katallhlo.

Oson afora to deytero qema, den exei prokycei o, tidhpote sxetiko. Den yparxei o, tidhpote to opoio na odhgei se mia tetoia ypoqesh.

FILHS: Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo epeisodiako Ypoyrgo na paraithqei, na dieykolynei ton anasxhmatismo kai ekeinos me ton tropo toy arnhqhke;

REPPAS: Qa mporoysa na apanthsw legontas dyo pragmata: H oti oloi oi Ypoyrgoi einai "epeisodiakoi", ara den gnwrizw se poion anafereste h oti den yparxei "epeisodiakos" Ypoyrgos, ara ek twn pragmatwn den exei ginei ayth h epikoinwnia!

FILHS: H erwthsh einai an zhthse apo makrobio Ypoyrgo na dieykolynei apodexomenos thn paraithsh toy apo thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe tis epikoinwnies poy eprepe na exei, prokeimenoy na katalhjei sth synqesh ths Kybernhshs h opoia kai anakoinwqhke. Den eixe opoiadhpote allh epikoinwnia.

FILHS: Kai mia allh erwthsh: O Prwqypoyrgos kata th diereynhsh twn diaforwn ypoyrghsimwn h twn diaforwn stelexwn poy qa metatiqento se Ypoyrgeia, proteine kai se alloys to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs h h epilogh toy k. Petsalnikoy htan h prwth kai h teleytaia;

REPPAS: Oydeis gnwrizei akribeis leptomereies gia to pws o Prwqypoyrgos xeiristhke to qema twn allagwn sto kybernhtiko sxhma. Pisteyw -kai einai mia politikh qesh ayth- oti oi xeirismoi poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos einai aytoi kai monon aytoi poy odhghsan sto kybernhtiko sxhma to opoio kai telikws anakoinwqhke.

FILHS: Akoysame to skeptiko me to opoio o Prwqypoyrgos epeleje th meqodo, to texnasma -opws qelete peite to- th syntagmatikh dynatothta na prosfygei sth Boylh kai na zhthsei chfo empistosynhs. Ayth h epilogh ej antikeimenoy qetei dyo problhmata, ap' o, ti katalaba apo thn analysh sas. To prwto einai oti qelei ena neo jekinhma gia thn Kybernhsh, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. An isxyei ayto fantazomai oti einai mia emmesh omologia, oti kati den paei kala me to parelqon, giati gia na jekinas kati kainoyrgio den paei kala to palio. Kai deyteron, opws eipwqhke, einai enas emmesos tropos na apospasei thn chfo twn boyleytwn ths eswkommatikhs antipoliteyshs. To deytero qema, den einai qema amigws eswkommatiko, einai kai syntagmatiko problhma. Qa hqela ena sxolio, an isxyoyn ayta ta pragmata. An, dhladh, yparxei ena stoixeio pieshs pros thn eswkommatikh antipoliteysh, kata th gnwmh sas, kai deytero ean yparxei mia nea arxh, kata thn apoch toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote diaqesh pieshs. H askhsh pieshs den synhqizetai. Oi boyleytes den yfistantai pieseis, den einai dynaton na leitoyrgoyn ypo to kratos twn piesewn. O Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti, ayto to opoio bohqhse ton idio kai thn Kybernhsh toy na proxwrhsei mexri twra sthn chfish toswn nomosxediwn, sthn efarmogh toy programmatos mas, wste na miloyme gia to qetiko ergo ths Kybernhshs, prepei na epanabebaiwqei, mesw mias diadikasias paroxhs chfoy empistosynhs sthn Kybernhsh, wste na katafanei kai pali oti h Kybernhsh diaqetei thn aparaithth politikh sthrijh gia na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths.

Oson afora to prwto qema, to opoio afora th nea arxh, gnwrizete poly kala oti eginan kapoies allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma. Ayto aytomatws deixnei oti se kapoioys tomeis o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei pws prepei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, me mia nea proseggish twn qematwn, na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi, giati h beltiwsh ths poiothtas ths zwhs twn politwn, einai to zhtoymeno. Ta periqwria beltiwshs pantote yparxoyn, akomh kai an exeis petyxei ta arista apotelesmata, poly perissotero otan anagnwrizeis oti se polloys tomeis yparxoyn problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys polites sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys. S' ayth thn periptwsh einai aparaithto na proxwrhseis se ekeines tis allages, sto kybernhtiko sxhma, poy qa soy epitrecoyn na exeis, toylaxiston, stoys tomeis aytoys kalytera apotelesmata apo oti sto parelqon.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qetei to dilhmma "h me chfizete, toylaxiston 151 boyleytes, h peftw"; Giati eseis milhsate gia ekloges, prin apo ligo, edw s' ayth thn aiqoysa. Ayto den einai mia piesh pros toys boyleytes na ton chfisoyn opwsdhpote kai malista otan exoyme mprosta mas thn krisimh xronia ths ONE;

REPPAS: Den einai apolytws kamia piesh. Mporei kapoios na thn onomasei piesh -opws kanete eseis- epeidh qewrei oti oi boyleytes foboyntai tis ekloges. Egw den pisteyw oti oi boyleytes foboyntai tis ekloges. Kai den pisteyw oti ayto einai ena toso tapeino krithrio, poy qa kaqorisei th stash toys. Egw pisteyw oti oi boyleytes qa krinoyn kai qa ajiologhsoyn ena sygkekrimeno ergo. O Prwqypoyrgos zhta thn epanabebaiwsh ayths ths politikhs sthrijhs pros thn Kybernhsh, gia logoys toys opoioys anefera prin. Kai den prepei, epeidh qewrhtikologwntas anaptyjame kapoies apoceis kai gia alla qemata, na qewrhsete oti ayto, ek twn pragmatwn, odhgei ekei. Giati peripoy etsi to paroysiasate. Eipa oti einai mia akraia ekdoxh, ena endexomeno, to opoio qewrhtika, an syzhthsoyme, mporei na prokycei. Ta panta mporoyn na prokycoyn ana pasa stigmh, an kanoyme qewrhtikes syzhthseis h akraies ypoqeseis. Den einai pantws ayto to qema poy syzhtoyme twra. Ayto gia na mhn yparjei paranohsh. Giati peripoy -ayto antilambanomai apo thn erwthsh sas- eseis eklabate ayto to opoio eipa, ws ejaggelia oti pame se ekloges. Kaqe allo.

FILHS: Ws dilhmma to ejelaba.

REPPAS: Kanena dilhmma. Egw pisteyw oti oi boyleytes staqmizoyn thn chfo kai xarazoyn th stash toys, me bash th syneidhsh kai tis apoceis poy exoyn, krinontas programmata kai anqrwpoys.

FILHS: Oi 149 chfoi, meqayrio sth Boylh, shmainoyn ekloges;

REPPAS: An h Kybernhsh -logw toy oti qesame ton phxh ychlotera apo to orio, to opoio problepei to Syntagma- apodeixqei oti den diaqetei thn yposthrijh, thn empistosynh ths apolyths pleiochfias toy synoloy twn boyleytwn, mia tetoia ejelijh, opws problepetai apo to Syntagma, gnwrizete oti prepei na qewreitai dedomenh. Ayto problepei to Syntagma.

FILHS: Me dedomeno to qema ths ONE kai thn krisimh xronia mprosta mas, opws eipe kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, h prooptikh na odhghqoyme se prowres ekloges shmera, kai malista se synqhkes politikhs krishs, einai ena stoixeio poy den qa ektimhsoyn oi idioi oi boyleytes kai den qa chfisoyn ypo piesh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola mhn ypotimate toys boyleytes. Deyteron, to idio to diko sas skeptiko egw qa to anagnwsw diaforetika kai qa pw oti epeidh akribws eimaste se ayth thn krisimh fash ths prospaqeias gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, epeidh akribws eimaste se mia periodo poy xreiazetai anasyntajh twn dynamewn toy eqnoys kai ths koinwnias gia na epityxoyme toys megaloys stoxoys, gi` ayto akribws apaiteitai ena neo jekinhma, gi ayto akribws proxwrhse o Prwqypoyrgos s' ayton to syndyasmo ths synexeias sth synqesh ths Kybernhshs kai ths ananewshs poy dinei th dynatothta mias neas entatikhs prospaqeias gia na epityxoyme toys megaloys stoxoys. Gi` ayto akribws o Prwqypoyrgos zhta thn epanabebaiwsh ths isxyrhs politikhs sthrijhs pros th Kybernhsh apo th Boylh. Gia toys logoys stoys opoioys eseis anaferqhkate, kanontas egw th dikh moy anagnwsh, lew kai pali oti gi` aytoys toys logoys htan epibeblhmeno na ginei ayto to opoio egine.

KARAGIANNH: Epanalabate polles fores me diafores diatypwseis, oti enas apo toys stoxoys toy Prwqypoyrgoy na prosfygei sth Boylh kai na zhthsei chfo empistosynhs einai kai na katadeixqei h politikh kyriarxia ths Kybernhshs. To erwthma moy einai sygkekrimeno: Apo poioys qewreite oti amfisbhteitai; Kai ena deytero, me dedomeno oti anaferqhkate pali arketes fores sthn krisimothta ths xronikhs sygkyrias kai eipate oti qesh ths Kybernhshs einai h politikh poy akoloyqei na sthrizetai atalanteyta kai adiataraxta. To erwthma einai: Meta th diadikasia paroxhs chfoy empistosynhs sth Boylh, shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos den prokeitai na anexqei pleon frastikes estw diaforopoihseis koryfaiwn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn apo thn politikh poy akoloyqei;

REPPAS: Kai sta dyo erwthmata poy exete qesei exw apanthsei kai exw apanthsei polles fores.

Oson afora to prwto qema sas eipa, gia poion logo proxwrhse o Prwqypoyrgos s' ayth thn epilogh na zhthsei chfo empistosynhs. Giati exei ena shmantiko politiko symbolismo ayth h kinhsh. Giati prepei na epibebaiwqei h isxyrh politikh sthrijh pros thn Kybernhsh apo thn apolyth pleiochfia twn boyleytwn. Giati prepei s' ayth th nea afethria na jekinhsoyme exontas ws dedomenh th freskia etymhgoria ths apolyths pleiochfias twn boyleytwn.

Oson afora to deytero qema, den qa prepei na mellontologoyme. O Prwqypoyrgos, ws Prwqypoyrgos kai ws Proedros toy Kinhmatos, exei tis dynatothtes na kanei toys xeirismoys poy einai katallhloi kai apotelesmatikoi gia na beltiwsei th leitoyrgia ths Kybernhshs kai toy Kommatos. Qa paijei to diko toy rolo kai qa askhsei tis dikaiodosies toy. To exei kanei mexri twra me tropo, poy ekeinos epilegei kai to idio qa kanei kai sto mellon.

TAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes to brady o k. Papaqemelhs, sxoliazontas ton anasxhmatismo eipe oti prokeitai gia oikogeneiakh ypoqesh twn eksygxronistwn. Dedomenoy oti anhkei sthn eswkommatikh antipoliteysh, qewreite oti to problhma ths cyxikhs enothtas poy proekyce sto PASOK stis dhmotikes ekloges, enteinetai meta ton anasxhmatismo;

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw tis apoceis twn synadelfwn. Exoyn dikaiwma na lene tis apoceis toys. Ayto einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias, to exoyme kerdisei kai fanerwnei ygeia sth leitoyrgia twn qesmwn kai twn kommatwn. Apo kei kai pera, ayto to opoio qa pw einai oti, emeis pisteyoyme pws oloi oi Ellhnes eimaste mia eqnikh oikogeneia kai h prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai na diasfalisoyme, metajy twn allwn, kai thn koinwnikh synoxh. Ara, ayto shmainei allhleggyh, ayto shmainei na mhn yparxoyn cyxikes apostaseis metajy twn politwn, gia na niwqoyn oloi oti symballoyn, kata to metro toy dynatoy o kaqenas, s' ayth thn koinh eqnikh kai koinwnikh prospaqeia na epityxoyme toys megaloys stoxoys.

MOSXOBAS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw giati omologw oti den exw katalabei to skeptiko: Poios amfisbhthse thn paramonh sthn Kybernhsh toy k. Shmith kai giati o Prwqypoyrgos s' ayth th xronikh sygkyria epizhtei enagwniws mia freskia ananewsh ths empistosynhs, opws eipate, apo thn pleiochfia twn boyleytwn toy; Poios amfisbhthse thn kybernhtikh poreia toy k. Shmith;

REPPAS: S' ola ayta apanthsa me kaqe leptomereia kai kat' epanalhch.

MOSXOBAS: Poios k. Ypoyrge; Den apanthsate.

REPPAS: Exete ayth thn apoch. Egw exw diaforetikh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gia leitoyrgikoys logoys, qelw na rwthsw: H nea Kybernhsh, to neo sxhma, qa allajei politikh h qa kinhqei sthn idia politikh;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei s' ayto. H politikh paramenei ayth poy exoyme ejaggeilei. To programma me to opoio o ellhnikos laos mas ejeleje gia th diakybernhsh toy topoy, mas anedeije kybernhsh ths xwras, einai ayto to opoio efarmozoyme. Ayto to programma qa oloklhrwsoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Einai, loipon, profanes kai meta apo ayth thn aytonohth dieykrinish, oti h chfos empistosynhs den exei na kanei me paroxh empistosynhs se kapoies nees programmatikes qeseis. Kai, ep' aytoy toy dedomenoy, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos qetei to syntagmatiko toy dikaiwma na allazei thn Kybernhsh toy kai na proxwrhsei se anasxhmatismo, ypo thn egkrish twn boyleytwn toy; Exei kai tetoio xarakthra h chfos empistosynhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti proxwrhse se allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma, prin kriqei sto plaisio ayths ths chfoforias apo toys synadelfoys sth Boylh. Gnwrizete poly kala -kai kanw edw mia parenqesh- pws syxna oi allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma prokaloyn kai dysareskeia. O Prwqypoyrgos, en toytois, proxwra s' ayth th diadikasia ths protashs gia chfo empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh, epeidh qewrei oti apotelei mia epibeblhmenh politikh kinhsh, prokeimenoy na epanabebaiwqei h sthrijh poy apolambanei sth Boylh h Kybernhsh. Den exei sxesh to oti den allazei to programma mas, me to oti h efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos prepei na ginei mexri teloys, me tetoio tropo, wste na petyxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. H efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos apaitei, metajy twn allwn, politikes synqhkes, klima kai periballon tetoio, wste na eynoeitai h ejelijh ths prospaqeias ths Kybernhshs, gia thn efarmogh toy programmatos ths. Ayto einai to nohma gia to opoio miloyme, se sxesh me th diadikasia poy epelegh gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: H chfos empistosynhs kai h epanabebaiwsh ths empistosynhs twn kybernhtikwn boyleytwn pros thn Kybernhsh leitoyrgei antistaqmistika, kata th gnwmh ths Kybernhshs, toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai th dikh sas endexomenws, se o, ti afora thn elleich empistosynhs toy eklogikoy swmatos, opws ekfrasthke stis Dhmotikes ekloges, prin apo 15 hmeres;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena ayqaireto symperasma sto opoio odhgeiste eseis. Emeis exoyme mia allh apoch. Den gnwrizw komma ths antipoliteyshs na exei qesei qema eklogwn, prokeimenoy o ellhnikos laos na klhqei kai pali amesws kai eyqews na krinei poia einai h paratajh poy prepei na kyberna ton topo. O Prwqypoyrgos, epeidh h Kybernhsh mas diaqetei th sthrijh toy ellhnikoy laoy, qewrei pws ayth thn wra poy einai krisimh, opws kat' epanalhch tonisame, xreiazetai mia ananewsh ths empistosynhs ths pleiochfias ths Boylhs pros thn Kybernhsh, pragma to opoio qa leitoyrghsei enisxytika, sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia na efarmosoyme to programma mas.

KARAGIANNH: Synetelese to klima poy diamorfwqhke kai sto eswteriko ths Kybernhshs kai toy Kommatos, meta tis Dhmotikes ekloges, sthn apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Kai anaferomai, bebaiws, stis dhmosies topoqethseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn kai kommatikwn paragontwn, amesws meta ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn.

REPPAS: Oi paragontes oi opoioi staqmizontai, prokeimenoy na lhfqei mia apofash, einai polloi. Gnwrizete poly kala oti eixame prosfata Nomarxiakes kai Dhmotikes ekloges, opws eixame kai alles ejelijeis, pragma to opoio den mporei para na yphrje, metajy twn allwn, stoixeio to opoio elabe ypoch toy o Prwqypoyrgos, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei se aytes tis allages. Mporei na pei kapoios, pws oi ekloges poy eginan prosfata, ta mhnymata twn eklogwn aytwn, ajiologhqhkan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai sto plaisio twn allagwn stis opoies proxwrhse exei metafrasei ayta ta mhnymata.

Eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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