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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Meta thn polywrh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias, qa moy epitrecete -prin apo th syzhthsh mas- na kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio:

Egine mia diejodikh syzhthsh gia thn ektimhsh twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn. Kaqe melos ejefrase tis apoceis toy kai diapistwqhke mia koinh proseggish olwn twn stelexwn, poy metexoyn sta dyo ayta organa, gia ta symperasmata sta opoia odhgoymaste apo thn analysh twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn. Ayto to opoio proexei gia mas einai na ajiologhsoyme ta apotelesmata, sto plaisio twn syntetagmenwn kai qesmikwn leitoyrgiwn toy Kinhmatos kai ths Kybernhshs, wste sth synexeia na analhfqoyn oi anagkaies politikes prwtoboylies. Prepei na einai safes oti paramenei staqero to politiko plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs gia thn epiteyjh twn megalwn eqnikwn kai koinwnikwn stoxwn, gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, gia to kratos pronoias, gia thn prowqhsh twn metarryqmisewn se oloys toys tomeis, gia th dhmioyrgia enos apotelesmatikoteroy kratoys. Kai, bebaiws, paramenei staqerh kai synephs h poreia mas, h akoloyqia twn bhmatwn mas pros toys epomenoys staqmoys, poy einai koryfaioi gia to Kinhma mas: To Synedrio toy PASOK, oi eyrwekloges ton Ioynio toy 1999 kai oi eqnikes ekloges to 2000. Enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia na dhmioyrghsoyme oloys toys ideologikoys, politikoys kai koinwnikoys oroys, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme kai pali thn kinhtopoihsh toy synoloy twn koinwnikwn dynamewn, poy symporeyontai mazi mas gia thn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn mas. Idiaitera, meletoyme, sto plaisio ths analyshs aytwn twn apotelesmatwn, thn ejeidikeysh ths politikhs mas se polles pleyres, prokeimenoy me eidiko tropo na apeyqynqoyme stis koinwnikes ekeines dynameis, oi opoies ekfrazontai politika apo thn paratajh mas. Akomh, na symbaloyme, me th beltiwsh kai diorqwsh ths politikhs mas, opoy ayto epiballetai, wste oi polites na niwsoyn pws antimetwpizontai pio apotelesmatika ta problhmata poy toys apasxoloyn sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys, opws ta problhmata ston tomea ths apasxolhshs, ths asfaleias, ths egklhmatikothtas, ths leitoyrgias toy kratoys, ths ygeias kai ths pronoias. Ola ayta symbadizoyn me thn prospaqeia mas, h opoia synexizetai entonotera, gia thn anasyntajh twn dynamewn toy politikoy xwroy mas, thn epanasyspeirwsh kai thn epiteyjh sto megisto baqmo ths synoxhs twn dynamewn mas. Sth bash aytwn twn epidiwjewn qa analaboyme oles tis anagkaies prwtoboylies. H politikh ayth -ths ektimhshs twn apotelesmatwn, alla kai ths analhchs twn sxetikwn prwtoboyliwn, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyme stis prosdokies twn sympolitwn mas- qa apotypwqei kai sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy Kinhmatos sthn ayrianh synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK. Ayta se poly genikes grammes...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa ginei anasxhmatismos;

REPPAS: Den eteqh oyte tiqetai tetoio qema. Allwste, gnwrizete oti to qema ayto anagetai stis armodiothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eteqh qema syllogikhs hgesias sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Den eteqh tetoio qema, dioti den problepetai apo to katastatiko mas ayto to opoio yponoeite me thn erwthsh sas. To oti ta koryfaia organa toy Kinhmatos leitoyrgoyn dhmokratika kai syllogika pisteyw oti einai apodedeigmeno. Apotelei katakthsh gia thn Kybernhsh kai to Kinhma mas, sto plaisio aytwn twn organwn, h lhch twn apofasewn na ginetai me dhmokratiko, diafanh kai syllogiko tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws eteqh mesa;

REPPAS: Den teqhke qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo kanenan, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den teqhke tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Monon ayta syzhthsate, tipota allo; Den diapistwsate dysforia stoys polites, den diapistwsate kapoia htta, se polles perioxes;

REPPAS: "Kapoia htta" diapistwsame! Gia na apanthsw, omws, sto erwthma sas qa prepei na sas ypenqymisw oti gi` ayta ta qemata milhsame kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Den eipame oti to apotelesma ayto periexei mia dysareskeia, oti apotelei mia ekfrash dysforias, oti einai ena dysmenes apotelesma kai katwtero twn prosdokiwn mas; Pisteyete oti den exoyme anoiktes tis "keraies" mas, wste na lambanoyme, apolyta, ta mhnymata twn kairwn; Prepei na sas pw oti antilambanomaste poly kala ti ginetai kai gi` ayto akribws xeirizomaste me poly syneto kai ypeyqyno tropo tis dhmosies kai eqnikes ypoqeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To mhnyma to phrate;

REPPAS: To qema einai oti ektos hmwn den blepw alloi paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy na exoyn antilhfqei oti ta mhnymata toy ellhnikoy laoy strefontai kai pros aytoys. To eixa pei kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, alla bebaiws einai qema diko toys, an qeloyn na ajiopoihsoyn th sygkyria kai ta mhnymata poy periexei.

FILHS: Eipate oti h Kybernhsh qa ejeidikeysei thn politikh ths, opoy einai anagkaio, kai qa analabei prwtoboylies diorqwshs ths politikhs ayths. Prwton, qelw na rwthsw an h prwtoboylia gia th diorqwsh ths politikhs afora ton Proypologismo, poy qa syzhthqei thn Paraskeyh kai deyteron, se poioys tomeis kai pote prokeitai na analabei tetoies prwtoboylies h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Oson afora ton proypologismo den egine kapoia eidikh syzhthsh. Gnwrizete oti thn erxomenh Paraskeyh exei programmatistei synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opoy gia prwth fora, qa syzhthqei to qema ths katartishs toy neoy proypologismoy. Oson afora thn ejeidikeysh ths politikhs mas se polloys tomeis, egine endeiktikh anafora stoys tomeis stoys opoioys kai egw anaferqhka. Milhsa gia beltiwsh h diorqwsh ths politikhs mas, ekei opoy ayto einai aparaithto. Kai ayto einai kati to opoio etsi ki alliws ena komma, poly perissotero otan einai to kybernhtiko komma, prepei na kanei. Prepei na probainei s` aytes tis allages akomh ki otan den mesolaboyn eklogikes anametrhseis kai den prokyptoyn apotelesmata aytoy toy eidoys. Alla, asfalws, otan oloklhrwqei ayth h meleth kai exoyme ypoch mas ta apotelesmata kai ta dedomena ta opoia apoteloyn th bash twn apotelesmatwn se kaqe perioxh ths xwras, qa mporoyme me poly pio sygkekrimeno kai ejeidikeymeno tropo, na askhsoyme thn politikh mas.

FILHS: Eipate kai gia prwtoboylies poy einai anagkaies na analabei to PASOK kai aforoyn alla qemata. Poia einai akribws ayta ta qemata kai pote qa anakoinwqoyn aytes oi prwtoboylies;

REPPAS: Diapistwqhke oti htan koinh h proseggish olwn twn stelexwn kai oti pragmati o baqmos syspeirwshs twn dynamewn toy PASOK s` aytes tis eklogikes anametrhseis, den eixe to epiqymhto ychlo pososto, opws egine me th syspeirwsh twn dynamewn twn allwn kommatwn. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth prepei na kinhqoyme kai na analaboyme prwtoboylies. Gia ola ayta, efoson oloklhrwqei h ajiologhsh twn apotelesmatwn, qa milhsoyme thn katallhlh stigmh. Kai panw sta qemata ayta qa anaferqei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn ayrianh toy omilia, doqentos oti oi prwtoboylies, se megalo baqmo, anaferontai stis armodiothtes toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KIAOS: Poioi htan apontes;

REPPAS: Nomizw apwn htan o k. Pagkalos, o opoios thn idia wra dexotan ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Irlandias. Ola ta alla stelexh twn dyo aytwn organwn elaban meros sth synedriash.

KIAOS: Dhladh, gia pentemish wres htan me ton Irlando ypoyrgo o k. Pagkalos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poio htan to programma poy edw kai arketo kairo eixe symfwnhsei o k. Pagkalos me ton Irlando omologo toy. Gnwrizete oti h shmerinh synedriash den htan programmatismenh. Anakoinwqhke, molis xqes. O episkeptomenos th xwras mas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Irlandias antilambaneste oti mporei na exei mia makra synergasia me ton k. Pagkalo. Wstoso, den gnwrizw to programma ths episkechs toy me leptomereies. Alla aytos einai o monadikos logos ths apoysias toy k. Pagkaloy apo th shmerinh synedriash.

KIAOS: Mhpws qa htan dynato na mas dieykolynete sto reportaz, opws allwste exete kanei kai allh fora kai na mas enhmerwsete pio analytika, oson afora to ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai telos pantwn ti eidoys reportaz bgainei apo th synedriash ayth;

REPPAS: Antilambanomai to endiaferon sas na exete plhrofories gia th synedriash. Den einai orqo, kata thn apoch moy, ayth thn wra na kanoyme ayth th syzhthsh, doqentos oti epikeitai h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, ayrio, to prwi. Qa prepei na perimenoyme to logo toy Prwqypoyrgoy o opoios qa anaferqei se ola ayta ta qemata. Mporw na pw, omws, oti ayta ta opoia dhlwsa, apoteloyn to plaisio kai thn koinh bash panw sthn opoia anaptyxqhke h syzhthsh. Den yparxoyn alla qemata. Ayta einai ta qemata ta opoia mas apasxolhsan. Me poly pykno tropo, toso o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, ej oswn gnwrizw, oso kai egw, ta anefera gia enhmerwsh sas.

KIAOS: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete, an stis apoceis poy ekfrasthkan, shmeiwqhkan kapoies apokliseis kai kyriws apo thn eishghsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Den shmeiwqhke kamia apoklish. Alla, bebaiws, den qa apofygw na pw, oti kaqenas xrhsimopoiei tis dikes toy lejeis otan anaferetai sta qemata, akomh ki an ton apasxoloyn ta idia qemata, antilambaneste pws o kaqenas exei th dikh toy optikh gwnia gia na ta proseggisei. Ayto to opoio apotelei thn katalhjh ayths ths syzhthshs kai thn koinh bash, panw sthn opoia qa sthrixqoyme gia na anaptyjoyme apo edw kai pera th drasthriothta mas kai na analaboyme prwtoboylies, einai to plaisio sto opoio anaferqhkame me tis dhlwseis poy kaname molis prin, o k. Skandalidhs ki egw...

KIAOS: S` ayto to plaisio symfwnoyn oloi;

REPPAS: Asfalws. To eipa sthn arxh.

KIAOS: Qema symmaxikwn kybernhsewn, eteqh;

REPPAS: Den eteqh tetoio qema. Alla, bebaiws, to qema, opws ki egw xqes shmeiwsa, ths anoikths epikoinwnias kai symporeyshs sth bash programmatikwn symfwniwn me alles dynameis, einai ena qema to opoio panta exei thn epikairothta kai thn ajia toy. Den egine, omws, eidikh mneia h anafora sto qema ayto, shmera.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, den eteqh, oyte genikotera, qema gia th sxesh PASOK-Synaspismoy;.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete, to eipa allwste prin, oti egine diejodikh syzhthsh. Metajy allwn milhsame gia to deytero gyro twn eklogwn. Egw, hdh, apo xqes, sas eipa sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs, oti sto deytero gyro anadeiknyontai ajiwmatoyxoi. Kai prokeimenoy kapoios na anadeixqei nomarxhs h dhmarxos, prepei na sygkentrwsei thn apolyth pleiochfia twn chfwn mias orismenhs perioxhs. Thn apolyth pleiochfia, omws, mporei na sygkentrwsei kapoios, meta apo th synergasia pollwn dynamewn, pollwn syndyasmwn, doqentos oti oi ekloges sto deytero gyro, anedeijan kai to megalytero ariqmo nomarxwn kai dhmarxwn kai metajy twn allwn edwsan apotelesmata, ta opoia proekycan meta apo symmaxies, synergasies. S` ayto egine anafora. Gia to qema twn sxesewn toy PASOK me alla kommata, apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KONTOPOYLOS: Diapistwqhke elleich syspeirwshs kai synoxhs anamesa stoys paragontes ths Kybernhshs kai deyteron, an o Proedros h o Grammateas toy PASOK apedwsan se kapoioys eyqynes h anagnwrisan oi idioi kapoies dikes toys eyqynes gia to apotelesma.

REPPAS: Den egine posostiaia katanomh eyqynwn sto plaisio ths syzhthshs. Eginan politikes diapistwseis, metajy twn allwn kai h sygkekrimenh gia th syspeirwsh kai synoxh twn dynamewn toy PASOK, toylaxiston opws aytes fanerwqhkan ston prwto gyro twn eklogwn, alla kai sto deytero gyro. Kai epishs, h eyqynh, gnwrizete poly kala, oti einai eyqynh h opoia afora oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi symmetexoyn sta organa sta opoia lambanontai oi apofaseis, sta opoia apofasizontai oi xeirismoi, sta opoia epilegontai oi kateyqynseis poy qa doqoyn. Gnwrizw kai gnwrizete ki eseis oti ayth einai mia pagia diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias mias Kybernhshs, enos kommatos en prokeimenw. Egine anafora sta aitia, alla thn kyriarxh aitia gia to eklogiko apotelesma o kaqenas thn proseggise me to diko toy tropo apo th dikh toy pleyra. O koinos topos proseggishs apotelei to plaisio sto opoio anaferqhka ki egw, milwntas eisagwgika.

KWSTANTHS: Eipate oti den teqhke qema anasxhmatismoy. Kanena apo ta melh twn dyo organwn den milhse gia diorqwtikes allages; Den sas apasxolhse ayto poy akoygetai poly tis teleytaies hmeres;

REPPAS: Oi diorqwtikes allages sthn politikh poy askoyme, xreiazontai. Einai kati poy panta to epiqymoyme kai panta to epidiwkoyme, anejarthtws twn opoiondhpote eklogikwn apotelesmatwn. Panta yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Apo thn allh, oson afora ta qemata ths stelexwshs twn kybernhtikwn organwn, idiaitera to qema ths synqeshs ths Kybernhshs, gnwrizete oti apotelei armodiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai kati to opoio den syzhteitai.

MOYRTZHS: Mas eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos ekane endeiktikh anafora sthn anagkaiothta beltiwshs kai diorqwshs se tomeis, opws einai h anergia, h ygeia kai h asfaleia. Na ypoqesw oti oloi oi Ypoyrgoi poy proistantai aytwn twn tomewn einai aneparkeis kata ton Prwqypoyrgo kai an protiqetai na toys allajei. Kai deyteron, epeidh einai synwnyma aytwn poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes o Arxiepiskopos anaferqhke sto qema ths ygeias kai eipe oti h Iatrikh exei metatrapei se epixeirhsh emporikoy prosanatolismoy kai paromoiase tis asfalistikes etairies me terasties mhxanes poy katabroxqizoyn toys polites kai bgazoyn xrhmata. Epeidh o Arxiepiskopos anaferqhke se ena idiaiterws eyaisqhto qema, sto opoio anaferqhke shmera o Prwqypoyrgos, mporeite na mas peite thn apoch sas;

REPPAS: Prwton, apo poyqena den prokyptei to symperasma, to opoio periexetai sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas. Den syzhthqhke tetoio qema. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h anafora stoys tomeis aytoys, den einai tipote allo, para h anafora se problhmata poy antimetwpizei o poliths sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toy. Einai stoxos monimos kai h prospaqeia mas diarkhs na beltiwsoyme thn poiothta zwhs toy polith. Deyteron, gnwrizete poly kala oti einai fainomeno twn kairwn -oxi shmerino kai oxi mono ellhniko- to fainomeno ths emporeymatopoihshs koinwnikwn agaqwn h kai ajiwn. Einai ena fainomeno poy parathreitai se polloys tomeis kai kata polloys tropoys. Politika kommata, dianohtes kai eseis nomizw exete kanei tetoies epishmanseis. Mporw na pw oti kai sto xwro ths enhmerwshs exoyme xarakthristika emporeymatopoihshs, ta opoia epikratoyn polles fores kai einai ayta poy xarakthrizoyn ton tropo me ton opoio parexetai h enhmerwsh. Alla, ayta ta stoixeia ths emporeymatopoihshs, qa moy epitrecete na pw, kataklyzoyn to dhmosio xwro kai oles tis ekfanseis ths anqrwpinhs drasthriothtas. Qa tolmoysa na pw oti den ejairw opoiadhpote drasthriothta, opoiondhpote tomea, giati den yparxei tomeas ton opoio den exei aggijei h "molynei" -an qelete na xrhsimopoihsw ayth th lejh- ayth h epidiwjh ths apokomishs megalwn kerdwn, mesw ths anaptyjhs synafwn epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Emeis panta leme oti ta koinwnika agaqa den prepei na antimetwpizontai ws emporika agaqa, poy exoyn antitimo, den mporoyn na tiqentai se diatimhsh. Ayto einai to nohma ths politikhs mias proodeytikhs Kybernhshs h oi ejaggelies enos sosialistikoy kommatos den mporei na ejiswsoyn tis koinwnikes ajies, ta koinwnika agaqa me tis praktikes ajies poy exoyn gia thn kaqhmerinh zwh mas ta emporika agaqa, ta ylika agaqa, ta antikeimena. Ayto, omws, einai mia syzhthsh poy qa mporoyse na ginei se allo xwro. Den prokyptei kati kainoyrgio apo aytes tis epishmanseis. Pantws, xairomaste poy ginontai tetoies diapistwseis kai elpizoyme aytoi poy tis kanoyn na analaboyn kai tis sxetikes prwtoboylies, wste to fainomeno ayto an den mporei na ekleicei, toylaxiston na meiwqei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To xwro ths Ekklhsias ton diaxwrizete;

REPPAS: Ekana anafora s' ayto. Eipa sygkekrimena "qa tolmhsw na pw oti den yparxei opoiosdhpote xwros, o opoios na mhn exei aggixtei apo tetoia fainomena".

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw merika pragmata synafh metajy toys. Prwton, an diapistwqhke elleich strathgikhs h taktikhs sthn poreia pros tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, ston a' h to b' gyro h kai stoys dyo gyroys; Deyteron, an teqhke qema apo melh twn dyo aytwn Organwn poy synedriasan shmera, opoiodhpote qema apokleismoy eswkommatikwn dynamewn apo th lhch twn apofasewn h thn ylopoihsh toys; Triton, an yphrjan epishmanseis gia eyqynes ths eswkommatikhs antipoliteyshs, sxetika me to apotelesma twn eklogwn; Yparxei kati ep' aytwn twn qematwn;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata poy qesate, etsi opws ta qesate, den egine kapoia syzhthsh, oyte yphrje proseggish analogh me aythn poy epixeirhsate mesw twn erwthsewn sas. Ola ayta ta qemata mas apasxolhsan giati exoyn sxesh me ena eklogiko apotelesma. Ola ephreasan, ligotero h perissotero, th diamorfwsh toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos. H koinh bash, h opoia apotelei -an qelete- kai th bash gia na bgaloyme symperasmata kai na anaptyjoyme prwtoboylies, einai to plaisio ayto ston opoio anaferqhka eisagwgika.

KIAOS: Ti legate ekei mesa pente wres; Peite mas "den sas leme". Emeis perimename...

REPPAS: Syzhthsame diejodika kai katalhjame se ena plaisio. To plaisio ayto einai poly sygkekrimeno. Anaferqhka s' ayto. Jerete para poly kala oti sto plaisio toy reportaz mporeite na anazhthsete ta stoixeia ekeina ta opoia qa ikanopoioyn ton epaggelmatismo sas. Einai apolyta sebasth h prospaqeia ayth. Apo thn allh omws ki emeis, otan syzhtoyme gia thn politikh mas, qa syzhtoyme me tropo, o opoios apotelei thn alhqeia kai qa ejyphretei kai thn taktikh poy akoloyqoyme, prokeimenoy h politikh mas na einai pio apotelesmatikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi kataggelies toy k. Kach den sas apasxolhsan;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke tetoio qema.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Gia na katalaboyme, omws, kalytera, meta to eklogiko apotelesma poy qa rijei to baros h Kybernhsh; Poy; Ston oikonomiko tomea; Sthn apotelesmatikothta;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia toys tomeis ekeinoys stoys opoioys qa prepei na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi, kata thn askhsh ths politikhs mas, prokeimenoy na anabaqmistei h poiothta ths zwhs twn sympolitwn mas. Milhsa gia ta problhmata ths kaqhmerinothtas. Apo ekei kai pera to plaisio ths politikhs mas den diarrhgnyetai, den allazei. H epiteyjh twn megalwn koinwnikwn kai eqnikwn stoxwn pisteyoyme oti sygkinei kai sygkentrwnei thn epidokimasia ths pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy. To plaisio ayto paramenei ws exei.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Teqhke apo kapoio melos twn organwn poy shmera synedriazan kai syzhthqhke o tropos xarajhs ths politikhs; Yphrjan protaseis gia sygkekrimenes beltiwseis;

REPPAS: An syzhthsoyme mexri to brady kai eseis ypoballete diafores ypoqetikes erwthseis gia ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia mporei na ypoqesete oti syzhtoyntai, antilambaneste oti den einai eykolo na kanoyme politikh syzhthsh. Sas lew oti egine mia proseggish apo oloys. O kaqenas milhse me ton diko toy tropo, xrhsimopoiwntas lejeis poy epeleje na xrhsimopoihsei, prokeimenoy na diatypwsei tis apoceis toy gia to pws diamorfwqhke to eklogiko ayto apotelesma, opws, epishs, kai gia to ti prepei na kanoyme, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyme sto mhnyma toy apotelesmatos aytoy. O koinos topos einai ayto to plaisio...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Poia qemata teqhkan;

REPPAS: Polla qemata teqhkan. Alla, ayto poy exei shmasia einai to plaisio sto opoio katalhgoyme. Gia ta qemata ayta milhsame kai xqes. Den milhsame gia mhnyma poy afora pleyres ths politikhs mas; Den eipame oti prepei na kanoyme diorqwtikes-beltiwtikes kinhseis; Den milhsame gia ta fainomena mikrhs syspeirwshs h diaspashs twn dynamewn toy xwroy s' aytes tis eklogikes anametrhseis; Den milhsame gia th dhmioyrgia symmaxiwn eteroklhths synqeshs, prokeimenoy na anadeixqoyn ston b' -kyriws- gyro, nikhtes stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges; Antilambaneste oti ayta ta qemata ta opoia, apo thn Kyriakh to brady mexri shmera exoyn syzhthqei kata koron apo toys politikoys, apo esas, kai gia ta opoia exoyn grafei para polla, einai ta qemata poy mas apasxoloyn. Den prokeitai "na anakalycoyme pali thn Amerikh". Einai poly sygkekrimena ta qemata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh milhsate gia tis dynameis synergasias, egine pali mesa logos peri kentroaristeras.

REPPAS: Egine logos gia para polla qemata. Alla, gia kanena qema den egine logos me tetoio tropo, wste to qema ayto na einai to kyrio qema poy mas apasxolhse h to qema sto opoio kaname mia tetoia syzhthsh, wste na katalhjoyme se sygkekrimenh apofash gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Gia ola ayta ta qemata, qa moy epitrecete na zhthsw na kanete ypomonh, mexri thn ayrianh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn K. O.

MPOYRDARAS: Ektos apo pleyres-ptyxes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs poy xrhzoyn diorqwshs h epanejetashs syzhthqhkan ta problhmata dysleitoyrgias sto eswteriko ths Kybernhshs h toy Kommatos; Rwtw giati exoyn ginei tetoies anafores ki eseis milhsate gia tis dixognwmies metajy ypoyrgwn kai stelexwn.

REPPAS: Asfalws, ta qemata ths sympnoias h ths synenwshs twn dynamewn, ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn eikona ths Kybernhshs h thn eikona twn stelexwn toy Kinhmatos -an dhladh einai eikona synergasias h eikona antiparaqeshs- pantote syzhtoyntai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw ean entopisthkan, kata th diarkeia ths 5wrhs syzhthshs, ta stoixeia ekeina toy apotelesmatos poy pistopoioyn oti h kybernhtikh politikh exei thn egkrish toy ellhnikoy laoy; Kai ean entopisthkan poia einai;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto milhsame kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Eipame oti yparxei mia staqeropoihsh twn politikwn dynamewn sto politiko sterewma. Milhsame gia tis mikres apwleies twn dynamewn poy yposthrixqhkan apo to PASOK, apwleies poy mporei emmesws kai plagiws na odhghsoyn sto symperasma oti exoyme mia mikrh kamch ths epirrohs toy kybernwntos kommatos, h opoia einai oriakh kai exei, pantws, sxesh me to gegonos oti briskomaste akribws sto meso ths qhteias ths Kybernhshs. Einai h xeiroterh stigmh gia mia Kybernhsh, to meso ths qhteias ths. Gnwrizoyme oti polla metra, ta opoia exoyme labei, enw einai xrhsima den einai pantote dhmofilh. Apo ekei kai pera anamenoyme thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy mas -kati to opoio prepei kai eseis na anamenete, opws kai o ellhnikos laos- prokeimenoy na kriqoyme pali to 2000. Kai nomizw oti den amfisbhteitai apo kapoioys -toylaxiston me tetoio tropo, wste na fanerwnei pws einai eilikrinhs pepoiqhsh toys ayth h amfisbhthsh- h kyriarxia toy PASOK sto politiko systhma ths xwras. Milhsame gi ayta. Allwste, syzhtoyme, an qelete na meinoyme sto pedio toy programmatos, gia allages sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs, tis opoies eishghqhke to PASOK, enw h N. D. pote den eishghqhke neoys qesmoys sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai pote den proxwrhse se kapoia shmantikh metarryqmish, oso htan kybernhsh. Antiqeta, polemhse tis metarryqmiseis, tis opoies emeis empneysthkame, eishghqhkame kai eisagagame.

KARGOYDH: Eginan topoqethseis apo ta symmetexonta stelexh kai yphrje ena plaisio genikwn sygklhsewn kai yphrje anafora se qemata strathgikhs ths Kybernhshs; Ola ayta parapempontai gia ektimhsh sto synedrio toy kommatos sas;

REPPAS: To synedrio toy kommatos mas qa asxolhqei me shmantika qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn ideologia, me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme kai me tis taktikes kinhseis poy prepei na kanoyme. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala oti einai se ejelijh mia diadikasia syzhthsewn kai ajiologhshs twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn, h opoia qa oloklhrwqei sth synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs poy qa ginei stis arxes Noembrioy. Meta thn ayrianh synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai th synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, qa yparxei h dynatothta na syzhthsoyme ayta ta qemata, prokeimenoy na exoyme mia telikh kai katastalagmenh apoch gia to ti egine kai gia to ti prepei na kanoyme emeis gia na pane poly kalytera ta pragmata sto mellon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean sth shmerinh synedriash syzhthqhke qema Giannopoyloy, o opoios ektos apo dhmosiografoys arxise na mhnyei kai politikoys, twra. An dhladh ayto xalaei thn eikona ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Den eteqh tetoio qema apo kanenan.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Katribanos ekane shmera mia kataggelia oti dexetai apeiles kai malista apo th 17 Noembrh.

REPPAS: Den exoyme kamia enhmerwsh. Lypoymaste an brisketai se tetoia talaipwria. Pisteyw oti o k. Katribanos prepei na apeyqynqei stis armodies arxes prokeimenoy na exei thn analogh kalych. Einai dynaton na kindyneyei h zwh enos sympolith mas o opoios malista exei kai ena dhmosio ajiwma;

KWSTANTHS: Ws Kybernhsh pws sxoliazete th dienejh ayth;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei politikh antiparaqesh, yparxei diafora apocewn, oi politikoi xarakthrismoi einai epitreptoi akomh kai an polles fores einai akraioi. Den qa prepei omws kapoioi na epididontai se sykofantikoys, asthriktoys kai anistorhtoys xarakthrismoys, otan qeloyn etsi na blacoyn kapoion poy qewroyn oti einai politikos antipalos toys. Gi' ayto loipon fraseis toy typoy "aqlio ypokeimeno", poy den parapempoyn se politikh symperifora h se ideologia alla se stoixeia ths proswpikothtas toy anqrwpoy, pisteyw oti den einai paradektes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: `Hqela na rwthsw an fraseis opws "prodoths", "ejwmoths"...

REPPAS: Jerete poly kala pws exei ejelixtei ayto to qema. Apo kei kai pera o kaqena analambanei prwtoboylies gia na to antimetwpisei kata tropo poy nomizei oti einai o pleon orqos. Ayto to opoio egw epanalambanw einai oti oi politikoi xarakthrismoi einai paradektoi, akomh kai otan einai yperbolikoi kai akraioi, alla den qa prepei na exoyme proswpikoys xarakthrismoys. Prepei na paradexqeite oti o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs egine stoxos me ybreis, proswpikoys xarakthrismoys kai anistorhtes kathgories.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: `Hqela na rwthsw an shmera o xarakthrismos "skoylhki" poy xrhsimopoihse o k. Giannopoylos gia ton k. Katribano, brisketai sta oria estw twn "akraiwn" politikwn xarakthrismwn;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto apanthsa molis prin kai diatypwsa th qesh moy. Apo kei kai pera eseis exete th dynatothta na kanete ta dika sas sxolia. Parakalw na mhn "katapinoyme thn kamhlo kai diylizoyme ton kwnwpa".

ALEJAKH: Dhmosieythkan shmera sthn "AQHNAIKH" kapoies plhrofories gia th synanthsh Shmith-Gilmaz opoy kata thn efhmerida yphrje mia symfwnia h opoia afora tis pthseis panw apo to Aigaio. Dhladh ton elegxo twn pthsewn apo to NATO xwris thn enhmerwsh toy FIR Aqhnwn, kaqws kai kapoies alles leptomereies. Yphrje tetoia symfwnia; `Egine kati to opoio mporeite na mas peite twra;

REPPAS: H synanthsh twn dyo hgetwn egine paroysia pollwn synergatwn toys. Oi syzhthseis den eixan tetoio antikeimeno. Den egine opoiadhpote symfwnia. Den gnwrizw poies einai oi phges twn plhroforiwn ths efhmeridas, gnwrizw omws oti ola ayta den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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