Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriasan apo koinoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia. Sthn arxh ths synedriashs o Ypoyrgos Ygeias K. Geitonas enhmerwse gia thn ejelijh ths apergias sto nosokomeiako xwro. H Kybernhsh epanabebaiwnei th qesh ths. Oson afora tis amoibes twn giatrwn, me thn ayjhsh toys mesw toy eidikoy misqologioy, exoyme kalycei tis pragmatikes anagkes. Pisteyoyme oti ekei poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei mikroproblhmata, logw logistikwn diaforwn, einai eykolo na epilyqoyn. Elpizoyme, ta organa twn giatrwn, ta opoia synedriazoyn, na laboyn apofaseis oi opoies qa odhghsoyn se omalopoihsh ths katastashs sto synolo twn nosokomeiwn. Pisteyoyme oti opoiadhpote peraiterw kinhtopoihsh den einai dikaiologhmenh, meta th diabebaiwsh kai ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, oti me diorqwtikes kinhseis mporei na antimetwpistoyn mikrhs klimakas problhmata ekei opoy exoyn ekdhlwqei.

Meta apo protash toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Al. Papadopoyloy, syzhthsame to qema poy exei prokycei gia th dienergeia twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn. To qema ayto anelabe na xeiristei en leykw o k. Papadopoylos, prokeimenoy na diejaxqoyn oi ekloges me ton kalytero tropo. Afora oikonomika aithmata, ta opoia exoyn ekfrasei dhmotikoi ypallhloi, logw ths yperwriakhs apasxolhshs toys, sto plaisio twn eklogikwn diadikasiwn. To qema ayto to opoio syzhteitai metajy twn ekproswpwn twn ypallhlwn kai ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn qa to xeiristei o armodios ypoyrgos.

Allo qema syzhthshs htan h sygklish, thn erxomenh Deytera, toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn sto opoio thn Ellada qa ekproswphsoyn o k. Pagkalos kai o k. Papandreoy. Eipame, oti oson afora ta qemata twn entajiakwn diadikasiwn paramenoyme stis gnwstes qeseis. Pisteyoyme oti einai nomika kai politika asthrikth opoiadhpote prospaqeia katablhqei gia na parakamfqei h isxyoysa ews twra diadikasia, sto plaisio ths E. E., gia thn prowqhsh porwn h kondyliwn se xwres synergazomenes me thn E. E..

Teqhke, epishs, to qema ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Diatypwnoyme kai pali th qesh mas oti epiqymoyme kai qa drasthriopoihqoyme, wste na symbaloyme sthn antimetwpish ayths ths krishs, na mhn exoyme dysmeneis ejelijeis me qymata aqwoys polites. Pisteyoyme oti stis syzhthseis, oi opoies qa ginoyn tis epomenes hmeres, sto plaisio dieqnwn Organismwn, qa prepei na lhfqei ypoch h dynatothta gia synennohsh kai dialogo, metajy olwn twn pleyrwn, prokeimenoy na ektonwqei h krish. Kai qa prepei h opoia prwtoboylia analhfqei na staqmizei ola ta dedomena gia na apofeyxqei peraiterw epideinwsh ths katastashs.

Telos, egine kai mia poly syntomh syzhthsh, oson afora qemata proetoimasias toy Kinhmatos, enocei twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn. Apofasisthke h Kybernhsh na exei mia paroysia aytes tis hmeres, prokeimenoy etsi na symbaloyme sthn anadeijh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, to de Kinhma -parempiptontws sas plhroforw kai gi` ayto- me tis dikes toy eswterikes diadikasies, exei ekponhsei, sto plaisio enos dikoy toy programmatismoy thn paroysia pollwn stelexwn, thn periodo ayth, se olh thn Ellada.

EYSTAQIOY: Dyo dieykriniseis ke Ypoyrge: Otan anateqhke en leykw ston k. Papadopoylo to qema twn dhmotikwn ypallhlwn, pros poia kateyqynsh anateqhke; Qetikhs antimetwpishs twn aithmatwn toys h me thn epishmansh oti meta tis ayjhseis poy phran kai enswmatwqhkan kapoia epidomata sto misqologio toys, exei kleisei to qema; Kai h deyterh dieykrinish, an syzhthqhke qema oikonomias.

REPPAS: Qema oikonomias den syzhthqhke. Oson afora to prwto qema moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti me to neo misqologio, to opoio einai eniaio misqologio, enswmatwqhke to synolo twn epidomatwn poy didontan se diafores kathgories ergazomenwn. Oi ergazomenoi ths sygkekrimenhs kathgorias, zhtoyn eklogiko epidoma, enw to epidoma ayto exei enswmatwqei sto misqo toys, ara ameibetai h ergasia poy ypoxreoyntai na prosferoyn enocei twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn. Asfalws, aytoi oi opoioi qa ergastoyn yperwriaka, qa prepei na exoyn thn analogh amoibh. Olo ayto to qema qa to xeiristei o k. Papadopoylos, me tropo dikaio kai antikeimeniko, prokeimenoy na einai oloi ikanopoihmenoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws gia toys giatroys "pisteyw oti den einai dikaiologhmenh kamia kinhtopoihsh". An synexisoyn, dhladh, prokeitai na parete kapoia metra; Qa steilete ta MAT; Ti qa kanete;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh oyte phre oyte prokeitai na parei tetoias morfhs metra. Dioti, h Kybernhsh pisteyei pws oi nosokomeiakoi giatroi exoyn antilhfqei th xrhsimothta twn ryqmisewn, stis opoies exei proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh ikanopoiwntas to aithma toys, oson afora tis apodoxes toys. Kai epishs, me tis apofaseis poy exei labei h Kybernhsh, gnwrizoyn oi nosokomeiakoi giatroi oti exei bohqhsei ston ejorqologismo twn amoibwn gia tis pragmatikes efhmeries poy katartizontai me bash tis anagkes kaqe nosokomeioy, kata eidikothta, apo toys epikefalhs toy nosokomeioy. To Ypoyrgeio exei proteinei kai exei ginei dekto, apo oles tis pleyres, mia epitroph na ekponhsei programma, apo twra, gia tis efhmeries sto synolo twn nosokomeiwn ths xwras, gia to 1999. Ayto to opoio pisteyw oti prepei na anamenoyme ws ejelijh, meta apo tis syzhthseis poy eginan metajy twn ekproswpwn twn ergazomenwn iatrwn sta nosokomeia kai ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, einai h ektonwsh ths entashs kai h omalopoihsh ths leitoyrgias twn nosokomeiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate "gnwrizoyn oi giatroi". Efoson to gnwrizoyn oi giatroi, giati apergoyn; Ta gnwrizoyn kai den toys dinetai tipota. Giati apergoyn;

REPPAS: Giati, afenos, to gnwrizoyn ayto oi giatroi kai afeteroy pantote einai endexomeno kapoioi na zhtoyn ychloteres amoibes, se sxesh me aytes poy toys exoyn doqei. Kai einai poly ychloteres se sxesh me to parelqon, afoy sto plaisio toy eidikoy misqologioy toys -poy den exei kamia synafeia pleon me to eniaio misqologio poy afora to synolo, sxedon, twn ergazomenwn sto dhmosio tomea- exoyn ikanopoihtikes amoibes. Ap' thn allh, sto plaisio ayths ths apergias, qa prepei kai pali na epishmanw, oti o megalyteros ariqmos twn noshleytikwn idrymatwn, leitoyrghse ikanopoihtika. Shmera de, mporoyme na poyme oti to syntriptika megalo pososto twn nosokomeiwn leitoyrgei fysiologika. Yparxoyn problhmata se orismenes periptwseis, ta opoia pisteyoyme oti qa lyqoyn mesa se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, afoy kai oi dyo pleyres fainetai oti diakatexontai apo to idio aisqhma eyqynhs kai epiqymoyn thn ektonwsh ths entashs sta nosokomeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia tis xqesines nees dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy toy Steht-Nthparment, toy k. Folei, gia ta 132 nhsia na pame sth Xagh, ti leei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn dhlwseis Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn se diafora epipeda, oi opoies, kata kairoys, parallassoyn. Kai o Amerikanos presbhs exei kanei dhlwseis, oi opoies gnwrizete poly kala ti periexomeno exoyn. As mhn sxoliazoyme memonwmena diafores dhlwseis poy diatypwnontai kata kairoys. H qesh mas einai safhs. Opoios amfisbhtei ellhnika edafh, qa prepei na desmeytei ek twn proterwn oti thn amfisbhthsh toy ayth thn diatypwnei me tetoio tropo o opoios den yponoei kai polemikh ejelijh. An pragmatika kapoioi qewroyn oti toys anhkei ellhniko edafos, peran toy oti o isxyrismos aytos einai aparadektos, opws to exoyme pei kat' epanalhch, exoyn to dikaiwma na prosfygoyn sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs kai na probaloyn th diekdikhsh toys. H Toyrkia, omws den to kanei. Apodeiknyei, etsi, oti den epiqymei na lamcei h alhqeia, alla antiqeta, me tetoioy eidoys proklhtikes diekdikhseis epiqymei na synthrei thn entash sthn perioxh kai na ojynei tis sxeseis twn xwrwn. Paramenei h qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei. Den yparxei tipota sto Aigaio to opoio na apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs. To mono qema einai ayto ths yfalokrhpidas. Opoios apo kei kai pera diekdikei, qa prepei na gnwrizei oti h proypoqesh gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn qematwn den einai allh apo thn anagnwrish ths dikaiodosias toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. H Toyrkia oxi mono den exei probei se mia tetoia anagnwrish, alla den prokyptei oyte kan emmesws oti protiqetai na to kanei sto epomeno diasthma. Den qelw na sxoliasw, loipon, memonwmenes dhlwseis ajiwmatoyxwn. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw kai kleinw etsi einai toyto kai mono toyto: Den yparxei tipota sto Aigaio to opoio na einai amfisbhthsimo. Opoios amfisbhtei qa prepei -ayto einai, to epishmainw- na aposafhnisei kai ton tropo ton opoio epilegei prokeimenoy na proballei ayth thn amfisbhthsh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den to lene oi Toyrkoi twra, to lene oi Amerikanoi. To eipe kai o k. Gkrosman prin apo liges meres, twra to epanalambanei o Folei. Einai se synexeies oi amerikanikes aytes dhlwseis.

REPPAS: Mporw kai egw na sas enhmerwsw gia seira dhlwsewn Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn, poy kinoyntai se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh. Gnwrizete oti se polles periptwseis oi HPA kratoyn mia apostash gia qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn perioxh toy Aigaioy. Gnwrizete epishs, oti emeis exoyme mia kathgorhmatikh topoqethsh epi twn qematwn aytwn kai me bash ayth thn kathgorhmatikh topoqethsh, proballoyme thn politikh mas kai chfizoyme sta diafora dieqnh "fora" poy symmetexoyme. Ara, loipon, shmasia exei, bebaiws, ti leei o amerikanikos paragontas, opws kai kaqe allh kybernhsh, alla ayto poy einai kaqoristiko kai exei th megisth shmasia, einai poia einai h politikh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, poia einai h politikh ths xwras. Kai ayth paramenei staqerh, den exei allajei tipota, wste na mporei na pei kaneis oti dhmioyrgeitai ena qema kainoyrgio pros syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai mia dieykrinish gia to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn poy eipate oti syzhthsate gia aporrofhsh porwn h kondyliwn. Pros ta poy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti omiloyme gia ton xrhmatodotiko kanonismo poy afora thn Toyrkia, o opoios einai "pagwmenos".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete kapoies plhrofories oti pane kati na prowqhsoyn;

REPPAS: Yparxei mia skech h opoia diatypwnetai kata kairoys apo diaforoys ajiwmatoyxoys. Metajy twn allwn, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia th dieyrynsh ths E. E., mporei na teqei kai ayto to qema. Emeis epanabebaiwsame th qesh h opoia paramenei ayth poy gnwrizete.

MPOYRDARAS: An mporeite na eiste pio sygkekrimenos gia ta problhmata, gia ta opoia milhsate sthn eisagwgh sas kai ta opoia exei katagracei h Kybernhsh. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Ean -enocei akribws twn eklogwn- sth syzhthsh poy egine o Prwqypoyrgos ekane kapoies epishmanseis h anafores pros ta stelexh, gia tis epomenes hmeres.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema den diatypwqhke kapoios katalogos ergwn h qematwn poy prepei na mas apasxolhsoyn idiaiterws. Apla, egine genikws dekth h qesh oti qa prepei kai kata thn proeklogikh periodo, me thn idia entash h kai megalyterh, na synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia na antimetwpisoyme problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys polites se diafores perioxes ths xwras. Oson afora to deytero qema poy qesate, poly synoptika o Prwqypoyrgos, opws kai ta alla stelexh, milhsan gia thn anagkh, oi kommatikes dynameis na anaptyjoyn ena pio energo rolo sto epomeno diasthma, gia na antimetwpisoyme texnika kai organwtika problhmata, ta opoia ek twn pragmatwn yparxoyn enocei twn eklogwn. Opws einai h kinhtopoihsh twn eterodhmotwn, gia paradeigma.

MOSXOBAS: Den fantazei ocimo to endiaferon ths Kybernhshs proeklogika, na asxoleitai me ta problhmata ths xwras;

REPPAS: Eipa oti qa prepei me thn idia entash poy pantote asxoloymaste me to ergo mas, na synexisoyme kai twra to ergo mas ayto. Ayto eipa sthn prwth eisagwgh, ayto eipa apantwntas se prohgoymenh erwthsh, ayto lew kai sth dikh sas erwthsh. Oyai kai alimono an asxoloymaste me ta problhmata molis twra, deka hmeres prin apo tis ekloges. Qa eixame xasei tis ekloges pro polloy, an den eixame asxolhqei me ola ayta ta qemata.

MOSXOBAS: Pros ti tote h anafora, deka hmeres prin apo tis ekloges;

REPPAS: Synedriazei ena kommatiko organo deka hmeres prin apo tis ekloges. Den qa prepei na sas kanei entypwsh. Epanalambanw oti, opws panta etsi kai twra, qa prepei me to idio ameiwto endiaferon, me megalyterh akomh entash, na asxolhqoyme me ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra. Den shmainei oti h xwra qa peripesei se narkh, oti qa adranhsoyme logw ths proeklogikhs periodoy. To antiqeto. H Kybernhsh synexizei to ergo ths me ton idio entono ryqmo, opws mexri twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oti den lysate, dhladh, se tria xronia, qa ta lysete se mia ebdomada; Den katalaba;

REPPAS: Profanws parapoieite, teleiws, ta osa eipan oloi oi prohgoymenoi kai to kanete, asfalws, hqelhmena. Etsi, mporw na ermhneysw kai th qymhdia, h opoia akoloyqhse thn erwthsh sas. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se mia ebdomada den lynontai problhmata kai gi` ayto akribws den exoyme tetoia ceydaisqhsh. Alla, qa elega oti oyte se mia tetraetia lynontai problhmata, oyte se dyo tetraeties lynontai ola ta problhmata. Gi` ayto, loipon, o ellhnikos laos qa mas empisteyqei arketes tetraeties akomh, giati gnwrizei oti mono emeis mporoyme na lysoyme problhmata. Qa mas dwsei ayth th xronikh anesh, wste na xeiristoyme ypeyqyna tis ypoqeseis toy kratoys kai twn Ellhnwn politwn, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme tis ypeyqynes apanthseis sta problhmata poy toys apasxoloyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete programmatisei meta tis ekloges na janapaei kanenas;

REPPAS: Eimaste pantote parontes ws Kybernhsh. Gi` ayto milhsa gia to ameiwto endiaferon kai thn entash poy pantote diekrine kai diakrinei to ergo mas. Ayto to ameiwto endiaferon qa parameinei sto idio ychlo epipedo kai meta tis ekloges. Afoy milhsa gia mia periodo poy einai poly prin apo tis ekloges, antilambaneste pws ayto isxyei gia mia periodo poy einai meta tis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges, poly perissotero, otan exoyme ki alles anametrhseis se baqos xronoy men, alla oxi poly makria.

MOSXOBAS: Se antiqesh me mia proeklogikh deontologia, den exete ayto poy mas anaferate. O k. Abramopoylos edwse oktw ekatommyria kapoy kai epesan na ton fane, giati xrhsimopoihse proeklogika to ajiwma toy.

REPPAS: Den asxolhqhke h Kybernhsh kaqoloy me ayto poy ekane o k. Abramopoylos. H dikaiosynh asxolhqhke meta th mhnythria anafora kapoiwn politwn. H Kybernhsh oydolws asxolhqhke kai aporw giati qetete to qema ayto. Eseis to qesate. Den asxolhqhke kaneis m` ayto to qema. Einai qema to opoio kataskeyasthke.

POYLIDOY: Jerete poio einai to plaisio ths entolhs gia thn dienergeia twn ek toy syneggys synomiliwn poy edwse o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE sthn ka Xerkoys,

REPPAS: Edwsa mia prwth apanthsh, xqes.

POYLIDOY: Den to lete, omws, ayto poy sas rwtaw;

REPPAS: Nai, edwsa mia prwth apanthsh, xqes, oson afora th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Ntenktas. To plaisio twn syzhthsewn den mporei na einai allo apo to gnwsto plaisio, to opoio kaqorizetai apo tis apofaseis toy OHE, apo thn prospaqeia anazhthshs lyshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos, sto plaisio mias dizwnikhs kai koinotikhs omospondias. Kai bebaiws, me parallhles prospaqeies gia th meiwsh ths entashs sthn perioxh, me tash gia apostratikopoihsh, prokeimenoy etsi, se ena hremo periballon na diejagontai oi syzhthseis.

POYLIDOY: Eikotologeite twra, otan lete oti den mporei na einai alles oi diadikasies h gnwrizete;

REPPAS: H idia h ekproswpos otan analambanei ayto to rolo, gnwrizei poia einai h bash panw sthn opoia anaptyssontai oi synomilies aytes. H bash ayth exei dhmioyrghqei mesa apo allepallhles apofaseis dieqnwn organismwn kai den einai dynato na allajei, oxi epeidh den to dexetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh, aplws, alla epeidh qa erxetai se eyqeia antiqesh me to plaisio poy exei apofasistei sto plaisio twn dieqnwn organwn.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw dyo pragmata: To ena einai, h ekproswpos mporei na to jerei apo mesa ths, apo ejw ths omws den to eide, giati diabasa tis dhlwseis ths kai den elege poyqena to plaisio gia th bash ths syzhthshs kai to deytero einai, oti o k. Klhridhs profanws apodexqhke th diadikasia. Ara, eynohto einai oti rwthse. Kai ara kai eseis prepei na jerete me safhneia an einai h den einai to plaisio.

REPPAS: Gia tis syzhthseis poy ekane o k. Klhridhs qa rwthsete ton ekproswpo ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs. Oson afora twra to ti eipe h ka Xerkoys, to gnwrizw, to gnwrizete, to gnwrizoyme. Poyqena den perilambanetai stis dhlwseis mia allagh toy plaisioy gia to opoio milhsa ki egw. O k. Klhridhs, kat` epanalhch, exei zhthsei na ginoyn aytes oi synomilies. Kai bebaiws kai o k. Klhridhs exei zhthsei oi synomilies aytes na ginoyn, efoson kinoyntai entos toy gnwstoy plaisioy. Den exei zhthsei th dialysh aytoy toy plaisioy o k. Klhridhs oyte amesws, oyte emmesws, oyte yponoeitai kati tetoio.

FASOYLAS: Thn ejomoiwsh twn kyriwn Klhridh - Ntenktas poy epixeirei o OHE me eggrafo toy pws th sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote ejomoiwsh. O Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, ws Arxhgos Kratoys, apeyqynqhke sth Genikh Syneleysh twn H. E.. Ayto, akribws, apodeiknyei oti einai o hgeths ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, o nomimos kai dieqnws anagnwrismenos. Apo ekei kai pera, epeidh gnwrizw ayth thn anakoinwsh, sas plhroforw oti ginontai energeies, prokeimenoy na diereynhqoyn oi logoi ekdoshs, apo kapoion yphresiako paragonta, ayths ths anakoinwshs.

KIAOS: Poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhsews sthn protash ths Aystriakhs Proedrias na allajei kai na katarghqei h Symbash ths Geneyhs gia th metanasteysh;

REPPAS: Ayth h protash den exei erqei se kapoia synedriash organwn ths E. E.. Yparxoyn plhrofories gia mia tetoia idea thn opoia prowqei h aystriakh kybernhsh. Emeis - gnwrizete kala- logw ths gewgrafikhs qeshs ths xwras mas exoyme ena idiaitero endiaferon gia qemata metanasteyshs. Eipame, prin apo liges hmeres, oti mas apasxolei ena neo nomiko kai qesmiko plaisio gia ta qemata ths metanasteyshs. Epifylassomaste na diatypwsoyme leptomerws tis qeseis mas, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy qa ginoyn, an kai otan qa ginoyn, me eishghsh ths Aystriakhs Proedrias.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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