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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws sas exw anakoinwsei apo th Deytera, thn Paraskeyh qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. H hmerhsia diatajh perilambanei to qema toy syntonismoy sthn politikh Ereynas, me eishghtria thn Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs ka Basw Papandreoy. Epishs, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos qa periodeysei to Sabbatokyriako sto Nomo Aitwloakarnanias. Osoi endiafereste na tajideysete kai na parakoloyqhsete thn periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy mporeite na dhlwsete symmetoxh. Sto plaisio toy programmatos, poy profanws exete ypoch sas, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei to Sabbato to brady, stis 20.30, sto Agrinio kai thn Kyriakh qa episkefqei to Mesologgi -thn allh megalh polh ths Aitwloakarnanias- opoy to meshmeri qa synanthqei me toys foreis toy Nomoy me toys opoioys qa syzhthsei ta qemata ths perioxhs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo th xqesinh sygkentrwsh sthn Kalliqea;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei kaqe logo na einai ikanopoihmenh. Niwqoyme ikanopoihsh apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios me ena logo pragmatiko, safh, eyqybolo kai ypeyqyno periegrace thn pragmatikh katastash sth xwra mas kai prodiegrace thn poreia ths gia ta epomena xronia. Eipe, xarakthristika, pws emeis me to ergo mas qa gyrisoyme th selida ths neas xilietias. Eimaste, epishs, ikanopoihmenoi apo thn antapokrish toy kosmoy sthn prosklhsh mas. H megalh symmetoxh deixnei oti o laos mas symporeyetai me to PASOK kai thn Kybernhsh s` ayth thn prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia mias isxyrhs Elladas. Pisteyw, oti ola ayta ta stoixeia, ta opoia ki eseis gnwrizete, apoteloyn dikaiologhmena gia mas phgh ikanopoihshs.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayth h aisiodojia, thn opoia ekfrasate twra, mhpws odhgei ton Prwqypoyrgo se skeceis oti einai kairos na tropopoihsei to kybernhtiko sxhma;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos milhse, gia mia akomh fora xqes, metajy twn allwn, kai gia to xrono, legontas oti h wra poy qa kriqei h Kybernhsh einai to 2000, otan qa diejaxqoyn oi eqnikes ekloges. Anaferomenos, epishs, sto ergo ths Kybernhshs ekane mia apotimhsh twn epiteygmatwn ths. Antilambaneste, pws oi epityxies ths Kybernhshs ofeilontai kai sto ergo twn Ypoyrgwn. Emmesws, etsi, o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn ikanopoihsh toy gia to ergo twn Ypoyrgwn, gia to ergo toy synoloy twn proswpwn poy synapartizoyn to kybernhtiko sxhma. Den tiqetai, loipon, tetoio qema, ayth thn wra.

LAKOPOYLOS: An moy epitrepete, omws, molis prin apo liges hmeres o idios o Prwqypoyrgos me tis gnwstes epistoles toy pros toys Ypoyrgoys kaqe alla para ikanopoihmenos edeixne, afoy anagkasthke na toys parotrynei gia ena sygkekrimeno tropo doyleias.

REPPAS: Gi` ayto to qema syzhthsame ektetamena, tis prohgoymenes hmeres. O Prwqypoyrgos, eyqys ws anadeixqhke s` ayth th qesh, metajy twn allwn, kai me epistoles, me keimena -meta apo synennohsh me toys armodioys kaqe fora Ypoyrgoys- exei ierarxhsei ta qemata, ta opoia prepei kata proteraiothta na apasxolhsoyn toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, toys Dioikhtes twn diaforwn Organismwn, oloys toys foreis toy Dhmosioy. H praktikh ayth einai synhqhs. Milhsame gia tis epistoles, oi opoies den apodeiknyoyn tipota allo, para monon to meqodiko kai systhmatiko tropo me ton opoio ergazontai o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh, opoy, metajy twn allwn, tiqentai oi proteraiothtes gia ta megala qemata poy apasxoloyn to kaqe Ypoyrgeio, wste etsi na einai poly eykoloterh h epikentrwsh toy endiaferontos kai twn dynamewn mas sthn prospaqeia na epityxoyme aytoys toys kentrikoys stoxoys mas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, h yparjh twn epistolwn, kaqws kai to yfos kai to periexomeno toys erxetai se kapoia antiqesh me thn aisiodojia gia thn poreia kai ton apologismo kai to mellon ths Kybernhshs, gia to opoio milhsate. Kai sas rwtw pali, ean, sto plaisio ayths ths poreias, o Prwqypoyrgos ejetazei to endexomeno na epiferei kapoies allages sthn Kybernhsh akribws gia toys logoys poy lete eseis. Qemito qa htan kati tetoio.

REPPAS: Apanthsa, hmoyn safhs. .Den tiqetai tetoio qema, oson afora tis allages. Den exei kan apasxolhsei ton Prwqypoyrgo to qema ayto. Oson afora ola ta alla, pisteyw oti oi apanthseis poy exoyme dwsei htan leptomereis, htan apanthseis poly safeis.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exete kapoia pio eidika stoixeia h ariqmoys, s' ayth thn periptwsh, poy sas dinoyn ayth thn ikanopoihsh apo thn proseleysh toy koinoy, xqes.

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti h symmetoxh toy laoy htan megalh. To plhqos twn sympolitwn mas poy symmeteixe s' ayth th sygkentrwsh martyra to endiaferon gia to logo toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai gia to ergo ths Kybernhshs kai bebaiws, apodidei anaglyfa th symporeysh toy laoy me to PASOK kai thn Kybernhsh. Giati, pisteyw oti sthn epoxh mas poy exoyn me ekrhktiko tropo anaptyxqei ta Mesa Enhmerwshs kai exoyme para polloys diamesolabhtes twn forewn ths ejoysias pros thn koinh gnwmh, to na exeis mia symmetoxh aytoy toy megeqoys, se anoikth sygkentrwsh, einai kati to entypwsiako. Kai prepei na to epishmanoyme. Epeidh blepw na ginontai sxolia kai sygkriseis me alles epoxes, h apanthsh s' ayta ta sxolia kai tis sygkriseis periexetai s' ayta ta idia ta sxolia kai tis sygkriseis afoy anaferontai se alles epoxes. Se epoxes poy den yphrxe ayth h plhqwra twn epikoinwniakwn meswn, ta opoia shmera, se kaqhmerinh bash, fernoyn se epafh toys polites me toys ekproswpoys ths ejoysias kai kata ena tropo, ayth th sxesh se kapoio baqmo thn apomyqopoioyn. Thn kanoyn mia sxesh, qa elega, isws pezh. To oti enw leitoyrgoyn ola ayta ta Mesa, exoyme se mia tetoia ekdhlwsh, toso megalh symmetoxh, einai ena stoixeio entypwsiako, to opoio den mporei para na odhghsei sthn ejagwgh kai twn analogwn politikwn symperasmatwn.

FILHS: H erwthsh moy htan safhs. An exete stoixeia, an exete ektimhseis gia to posoi polites parakoloyqhsan th sygkentrwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xqes.

REPPAS: To sygkekrimeno ariqmo oswn symmeteixan sth sygkentrwsh ayth, omologw oti den ton gnwrizw. Den eixe analabei kapoios thn armodiothta h to rolo na katametrhsei enan-enan, osoys elaban meros s' ayth th sygkentrwsh. M' ayth thn ennoia, den qa diakindyneysw na pw kati poy den qa antapokrinetai apolytws sta pragmata. Gi' ayto den qa anaferw sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Oi polles xiliades, omws, twn politwn poy symmeteixan sthn ekdhlwsh, apoteloyn, pisteyw, thn politikh apanthsh kai ayto einai poy exei endiaferon. H politikh apanthsh kai oxi bebaiws, h statistikh. To sygkekrimeno ariqmo twn politwn, ton opoion me kaleite ayth thn wra na anaferw, sas plhroforw oti den ton gnwrizw kai den ton gnwrizei kaneis. H symmetoxh htan poly megalh, htan entypwsiakh kai ayto exei katagrafei, me kaqe tropo, wste, metajy twn allwn -to antilambanomai ayto- fainetai pws dhmioyrgei se polloys enoxlhsh. Den einai kati to opoio anamename, toylaxiston s' ayto to baqmo, thn enoxlhsh, dhladh, poy ekdhlwnetai apo thn antipoliteysh. Ayto to opoio emeis epidiwkoyme einai h synexish toy ergoy mas. Bebaia, se megalo baqmo, h epiteyjh twn stoxwn mas, kaqws proxwraei to ergo mas, synartatai apo th symmetoxh s' ayth thn prospaqeia toy laikoy paragonta. H xqesinh ekdhlwsh edwse ena tono symmetoxhs toy laoy s' ayth thn kybernhtikh prospaqeia kai m' ayth thn ennoia, mono qetika mporei kapoios na th xarakthrisei.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo thn omilia toy k. Shmith, xqes sthn Kalliqea, stelexh ths Xarilaoy Trikoyph mas elegan oti pane na gemisoyn 40 stremmata. Egine kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw stis proseggiseis h tis ektimhseis poy ekanan diafora stelexh sta opoia anafereste, para to oti antilambaneste pws den einai qema to opoio mporoyme na syzhtoyme di' aytoy toy tropoy kai me leptomereies edw. Qa pw oti h sygkentrwsh htan poly megalh. Asfalws, ta 40 stremmata sta opoia anafereste, mporei na einai mia endeiktikh anafora, enas pilotos gia na mporoyme na bgaloyme symperasma gia ton ogko ths sygkentrwshs. Den xreiazetai na kanete tetoioy eidoys ypologismoys, afoy pleon exei ginei h sygkentrwsh kai oloi gnwrizoyme oti htan mia poly megalh sygkentrwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos giati thn ekane ayth thn sygkentrwsh; Ti to kainoyrgio eixe kai hqele na pei; Ti eipe; Eipe kati kainoyrgio;

REPPAS: Epibebaiwnete, loipon, ayto poy eipa prin, oti exei ekdhlwqei mia enoxlhsh, idiaitera entonh malista, apo thn antipoliteysh, logw ths epityxias ayths ths sygkentrwshs...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se mena, kamia enoxlhsh.

REPPAS: Den milw gia sas ke Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwthsa...

REPPAS: Eseis rwthsate omws, egw apantw twra. Apantw se sas, alla apantw me ena tropo poy epilegw egw, opws kai eseis rwtate me ton tropo poy epilegete. Kai epeidh eida ayto to pneyma na diaxeetai se polla dhmosieymata, shmera, oti htan aney antikeimenoy h ajias h sygkentrwsh ayth, kai eseis symmerizeste ayth thn apoch ...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo eipa egw. Gia thn omilia eipa, den eipa gia th sygkentrwsh.

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti h omilia htan poly xrhsimh, ayth thn periodo, giati o Prwqypoyrgos, gia mia akomh fora, me epishmo kai egkyro tropo, orioqethse tis politikes prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs, eqese toys kentrikoys stoxoys kai kalese se systrateysh oles tis koinwnikes dynameis, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti htan mia eqnikoy megeqoys kai shmasias ekdhlwsh ayth h opoia egine, xqes, sthn Kalliqea kai me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyoyme oti einai xrhsimh sthn politikh zwh, sth dhmosia zwh toy topoy. Tetoies diadikasies anoikths epikoinwnias, xwris diamesolabhtes, me kinhtopoihsh kai symmetoxh twn politwn sthn politikh leitoyrgia, pisteyoyme oti bohqoyn thn politikh. Einai kati poy apotelei kekthmeno gia ton politiko politismo ths xwras mas kai throymenwn twn analogiwn, katw apo tis nees synqhkes, me bash ta nea dedomena, den mporei para na xrhsimopoieitai ws meson, wste na ananewnetai kai na diarkei ep' apeiron ayth h epikoinwnia twn politikwn me toys polites, ws mia epikoinwnia me isxyroys desmoys. Ayto pisteyw oti einai kati qetiko. Oloi symfwnoyme pws tetoioy eidoys epiloges einai qetikes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai sto Peristeri ta idia eipe. Gia systrateysh eipe kai ekei.

REPPAS: Kaqe ekdhlwsh exei to diko ths xarakthra. Ginetai se ena idiaitero periballon. Exei to diko ths nohma, toys dikoys ths politikoys symbolismoys. Kai bebaiws, h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa deite oti apo ekdhlwsh se ekdhlwsh parallassei. H xqesinh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan mia koryfaia omilia poy eqese toys kentrikoys stoxoys. Se alles omilies poy exoyn ena idiaitero endiaferon h mia eidikoterh qematologia , qa deite oti anaferetai se epimeroys qemata.

LAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh prohghqhke mia synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia to organwmeno PASOK den ekfrasthke eniaia, qelw na moy peite ean ws Kybernhsh exete thn aisqhsh oti sth xqesinh sygkentrwsh meteixan kai poly perissotero an ergasthkan gia thn epityxia ths, oles oi taseis toy organwmenoy PASOK. Den milaw gia toys polites, milaw gia to organwmeno PASOK.

REPPAS: Den qa prepei na dhmioyrgeitai mia tetoia sygxysh kai sthn koinh gnwmh. To PASOK einai enas zwntanos kommatikos organismos. Oi problhmatismoi poy anaptyssontai sto eswteriko toy zwogonoyn th leitoyrgia toy Kinhmatos kai gi' ayto akribws, einai kalodexoymenoi. Pisteyw, oti oloi epidiwkoyn, me tis dikes toys apoceis, me toys dikoys toys idiaiteroys problhmatismoys kai thn kritikh poy askoyn , na symballoyn sthn anaptyjh toy Kinhmatos. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, ``to PASOK einai edw, enwmeno dynato'', opws kat' epanalhch, exei eipwqei. Ayto apodeixthke kai xqes. Oles oi dynameis toys Kinhmatos symballoyn, katw apo thn idia stegh, poy einai to PASOK kai to programma ths Kybernhshs mas, prokeimenoy h sxesh mas me to lao na einai mia sxesh ajiopistias , mia sxesh apotelesmatikh , giati se teleytaia analysh h sxesh ayth den afora ena komma, afora thn Kybernhsh ths xwras, afora thn idia th xwra kai to mellon toy laoy. Oloi loipon symballoyn s' ayth thn prospaqeia.

MIXAHL: Xqes mas eipate oti den exete na sxoliasete kati apo ta osa endexomenws jerame mexri to meshmeri, oti o k. Mhtsotakhs eixe syzhthsei me ton k. Gilmaz kai qa to kanate afoy eixate mia enhmerwsh an o k. Mhtsotakhs proebaine se enhmerwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws kai to ekane. Twra, loipon, poy jerete ti eipe o k. Mhtsotakhs me ton k. Gilmaz, ti exete na mas peite;

REPPAS: Den exw na pw tipota newtero. Den eipa xqes oti qa sas enhmerwsw meta. Eipa oti den gnwrizoyme, ayth thn wra, poio einai to periexomeno ths syzhthshs toy k. Mhtsotakh me ton k. Gilmaz.

MIXAHL: Twra gnwrizete, gi ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: Den shmainei, omws, ayto oti qa kanoyme dhmosia syzhthsh epi enos qematos, to opoio qewroyme oti den prepei na syzhthqei dhmosiws. Genika sas lew oti, apo oles tis pleyres, epanalhfqhkan oi politikes qeseis poy einai gnwstes se esas. Den exei prokycei kati newtero.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw ligo, gia poio logo den qelete na kanete ena dhmosio dialogo, opws lete.

REPPAS: Den exoyme kanena logo na kanoyme dhmosio dialogo. An o k. Mhtsotakhs qewrei xrhsimo na enhmerwsei to koino gia to periexomeno ths synomilias toy me ton k. Gilmaz, mporei na to kanei. Emeis qewroyme pws, meta thn enhmerwsh poy prosefere ston Prwqypoyrgo o k. Mhtsotakhs, den exoyme na prosqesoyme tipota allo, doqentos oti den exei prokycei kapoia ejelijh, kati to opoio na apotelei ena neo stoixeio sto plaisio twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn epi toy opoioy qa prepei na kanoyme toys dikoys mas sxoliasmoys.

MIXAHL: Mia dieykrinish: Htan qetikh telika h prwtoboylia toy k. Mhtsotakh na paei na synanthqei me ton Gilmaz, na koybentiasei mazi toy, na sas pei ti eipe;

REPPAS: Enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia th synomilia poy eixe me ton k. Gilmaz. Kai ayto asfalws einai apolytws qetiko.

MIXAHL: Eseis olh ayth thn energeia pws thn krinete; Prosefere kati h htan etsi mono se doyleia na briskomaste;

REPPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs exei gnwrimia me ton k. Gilmaz. Sto plaisio ths episkechs toy sth Kwnstantinoypolh, eixe ayth th synanthsh kai qewrhse xrhsimo na enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo. To gegonos oti episkefqhke ton Prwqypoyrgo sto Megaro Majimoy kai ton enhmerwse me ayto ton ypeyqyno tropo, pisteyoyme oti einai para poly qetiko.

KIAOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti oi pleyres diatypwsan tis apoceis toys. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, h mia pleyra einai o k. Mhtsotakhs. Oi apoceis, oi opoies ejefrase einai oi proswpikes toy...;

REPPAS: Gia na mhn yparjei paranohsh: Milwntas gia pleyres, anaferomai stis politikes twn dyo xwrwn. Den milw gia ta proswpa. Milw gia ton k. Gilmaz, o opoios aneptyje thn politikh ths xwras toy kai o k. Shmiths, apo th dikh toy pleyra, kai prin apo thn episkech toy k. Mhtsotakh sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, eixe anaptyjei tis qeseis ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras mas. S' aytes tis qeseis paramenei h xwra mas. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio.

KIAOS: Meta th xqesinh synanthsh, loipon, oi apoceis poy ejefrase o k. Mhtsotakhs einai symfwnes me tis apoceis ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia to periexomeno mias syzhthshs...

KIAOS: Anejarthtws aytoy...

REPPAS: ...h opoia den exei ginei en mesh odw.

KIAOS: Epitrecete moy, edw prokeitai gia synanthsh kai apoceis poy antallajan dyo synomilhtes. Egine h enhmerwsh xqes. Kai erwtw: Ayta poy ejefrase o k. Mhtsotakhs briskoyn symfwnh thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei ejwterikh politikh thn opoia gnwrizete. O k. Mhtsotakhs exei diatypwsei tis qeseis toy gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Kai aytes tis gnwrizete. Egw den exw na kanw opoiodhpote allo sxolio.

FILHS: Epi alloy qematos: Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn Kybernhsh gia thn epistolh poy esteile h ka Margkaret Papandreoy sthn ka Xilari Klinton kai h opoia anaferetai se qemata proswpika twn dyo gynaikwn, alla, omws epeleje na th dhmosiopoihsei h ka Papandreoy kai synepws na katastei antikeimeno mias dhmosias kritikhs. Erwtw dioti h ka Papandreoy, kata ton ena h ton allo tropo, apotelei meros -kai etsi einai- toy politikoy systhmatos kai toy kykloy epirrown ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den sxoliazei tis prwtoboylies, tis opoies analambanoyn diaforoi polites, akomh kai gia ta pio shmantika qemata. Oi polites ths xwras mas einai eleyqeroi na analambanoyn prwtoboylies, na diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys, na probainoyn se energeies poy qewroyn oti einai katallhles kai xrhsimes gia kapoio qema, to opoio apasxolei thn koinh gnwmh.

FILHS: Wstoso...

REPPAS: Wstoso, den exei opoiadhpote sxesh ayto me thn kybernhtikh drasthriothta.

FILHS: Wstoso, h ka Papandreoy mesa apo toys proswpikoys ths logoys, anaferetai apajiwtika gia ton idryth toy Kinhmatos sas, ton Andrea Papandreoy. Exete kapoio sxolio gi ayto;

REPPAS: Exoyme, kat' epanalhch, milhsei gia ton Andrea Papandreoy, parelkei ayth thn wra na epanalaboyme pragmata ta opoia einai aytonohta kai poly gnwsta se esas.

FILHS: Isxyei synepws h xqesinh anafora toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn proswpikothta toy Andrea Papandreoy kai oxi ta osa anaferei h ka Papandreoy gia to makarith ton Andrea Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Sas ypenqymizw oti thn prwth hmera poy anelaba kaqhkonta, ejefrasa prwta apo ola thn eygnwmosynh moy ston Andrea Papandreoy kai tis eyxaristies moy, ston Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto kati shmainei. Einai kati poy exoyme kanei kat' epanalhch. H anafora mas ston Andrea Papandreoy einai panta anafora timhs kai sebasmoy sth mnhmh toy.

KIAOS: Politikh anafora ennoeite.

REPPAS: Emeis politikh syzhthsh kanoyme, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs.

PARIS: O k. Kinok thn Paraskeyh, otan ton rwthsame gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia mas edwse mia apanthsh, h opoia pragmatika mas ejeplhje. Eipe oti h Olympiakh doyleyei se epipeda eyryqmias prwtognwra gia thn etairia. Qa hqela na rwthsw an h Kybernhsh dinei agwna, meta apo to alaloym toy kalokairioy kai ayto poy synexizetai twra gia thn ejasfalish kapoiwn koinotikwn porwn; Kai en pash periptwsei, sas eixa rwthsei stis arxes toy kalokairioy ti qa ginei, ean qa ejetasete thn periptwsh ths Olympiakhs. Moy eixate pei oti sto telos Septembrioy me arxes Oktwbrioy qa deite ti qa ginei kai qa parete kapoies apofaseis. Exete kati na mas peite ws Kybernhsh gia to qema ayto;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh prospaqei na oloklhrwsei thn prwtoboylia h opoia anelhfqh mesw ths Boylhs, me thn chfish nomoy gia thn ejygiansh ths O.A. Einai se ejelijh h efarmogh toy sxedioy aytoy. Exei apodwsei qetikoys karpoys. Den einai afelhs o Koinotikos Epitropos. Exei tropoys na plhroforeitai pws exoyn ta pragmata. Den arkeitai mono sthn plhroforhsh poy exei apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Me ayth thn ennoia, ta sxolia kai ta symperasmata ta opoia diatypwse, pisteyoyme oti apodidoyn thn pragmatikothta kai mas ikanopoioyn. Apo kei kai pera, h O.A. asfalws antimetwpizei kai pali problhmata, poly ligotera omws apo to prosfato parelqon. Prepei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas. Otan erqei h wra o armodios Ypoyrgos qa analabei thn prwtoboylia na qesei kai pali to qema ayto, ws ena apo ta prwta, ths hmerhsias diatajhs, poy ton apasxolei kai tote qa einai pio leptomerhs.

SARANTAKOS: Qelw na epistrecw stis ektimhseis sas gia th sygkentrwsh ths Kalliqeas. Eipate kai arketes fores malista, oti apo th sygkentrwsh apodeiknyetai mia symporeysh toy laoy me thn Kybernhsh. Wstoso, 24 wres prin apo th sygkentrwsh ths Kalliqeas yphrxe mia ereyna ston ELEYQERO TYPO symfwna me thn opoia 3 stoys 4 Ellhnes einai dysaresthmenoi, den einai ikanopoihmenoi mallon, apo to ergo ths Kybernhshs. Ayta pws symbadizoyn;

REPPAS: Polles dhmoskophseis exoyn ginei kata kairoys, as meinoyme omws sthn pragmatikothta. Ston tropo me ton opoio ekdhlwnei thn empistosynh toy pros ta kommata kai toys politikoys o ellhnikos laos. Gnwrizw oti edw kai para polla xronia ginontai metrhseis epi metrhsewn. To apotelesma einai oti to PASOK kybernaei ta 2/3 ths politikhs periodoy apo th metapoliteysh mexri shmera. Se peisma pollwn dhmoskophsewn, poy isws odhgoysan se alla symperasmata, o ellhnikos laos kanei tis epiloges toy kai parakalw o kyriarxos ellhnikos laos na ginei sebastos stis epiloges poy kanei.

FILHS: Xqes dhmosieyqhkan analytika ta stoixeia apo ta ekkaqaristika toy foroy eisodhmatos, apo opoy prokyptei oti kai fetos ta synhqh ``forologika ypozygia'', oi syntajioyxoi kai oi misqwtoi, synexizoyn na einai ta idia. Plhrwnoyn to megalo meros ths forologias eisodhmatos. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn Kybernhsh gia thn toso kraygalea adikh forologikh pragmatikothta kai anisotimia h isxyoyn oi xqesines eparseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn omilia toy, gia to poso dikaio exei ginei to forologiko systhma;

REPPAS: To forologiko systhma egine antikeimeniko me thn eisagwgh twn antikeimenikwn krithriwn. Asfalws, yparxei -logw twn prwtoboyliwn poy exei analabei h Kybernhsh- mia ejisorrophsh ths katanomhs twn barwn. Sas qymizw thn apofash ths Kybernhshs gia thn epibolh newn forwn se trapezikoys organismoys, se idiokthtes megalhs akinhths perioysias, stoys ``rantierhdes'', stoys opoioys anaferqhke kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayta ta pragmata gia prwth fora eginan sthn patrida mas. Kai ayto, enw oi megales perioysies yphrxan edw kai arketa xronia sthn patrida mas h oi trapezes apekomizan ayta ta terastia kerdh apo synallages stis opoies proebainan edw kai arketa xronia sthn patrida mas. Aytes, loipon, oi tomes sto forologiko systhma, pisteyw oti leitoyrgoyn metaferontas ta barh sthn pleyra poy mporei na ta shkwsei me megalyterh eykolia. Qa prepei na kanoyme akomh polla bhmata sthn kateyqynsh ejorqologismoy toy forologikoy systhmatos. Ayto qa to epityxoyme apolytws, otan efarmostei to programma TAXIS. Einai qema twn epomenwn ligwn xronwn. Exoyme milhsei kat` epanalhch gi` ayto. Parakalw na anagnwrisete thn prospaqeia poy ginetai kai tis poly shmantikes epityxies poy exoyme ston tomea ayto.

FILHS: Kapoies ejaggelies parhgorias gia toys forologoymenoys, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Eginan ejaggelies, oson afora toys koinwnika adynamoys, sthn Qessalonikh. Den eimaste Kybernhsh twn ejaggeliwn. Eimaste Kybernhsh ths aisiodojhs prajhs. Kai pisteyoyme oti h prajh ayth kai to apotelesma ths doyleias mas qa kriqoyn apo ton ellhniko lao.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, milhsate gia dikaio forologiko systhma. Dhladh, oi biomhxanoi poy plhrwnoyn to 12%, me toys misqwtoys poy plhrwnoyn to 28%, einai dikaio forologiko systhma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to pososto twn politwn poy einai biomhxanoi se sxesh me toys polites poy einai misqwtoi, einai para poly mikro. Yparxei kai plhqysmiakh analogia thn opoia den prepei na parablepete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto plhrwnoyn tosa liga;

REPPAS: Ola ayta, loipon, prepei na ta synektimhsete, gia na bgalete ena asfales symperasma. Den prepei na eiste toso kakopistoi. Den prepei, mono kai mono gia na mas kathgorhsete, na xrhsimopoieite opoiadhpote stoixeia kata tropo o opoios den einai o pio egkyros kai episthmonikos.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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