Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-09-04

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa brisketai apo shmera sth Qessalonikh gia ta egkainia ths DEQ. Gia tis omilies toy, sas enhmerwsa xqes. Shmera, qa anaferqei sta qemata poy endiaferoyn idiaiterws th Qessalonikh kai th Boreia Ellada. Ayrio, qa kanei th basikh politikh omilia. Qa anaferqei se qemata eqnikoy endiaferontos kai gia thn poreia ths xwras sta epomena xronia. Shmera, h anafora toy qa epikentrwqei sto ergo ths Kybernhshs, tis prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei gia thn anabaqmish ths Qessalonikhs kai ths eyryterhs perioxhs. Qa kanei enan apologismo toy ergoy kai qa anaferqei sto programma gia thn epomenh periodo. Ayrio, qa anamenete tis ejaggelies toy gia thn politikh ths xwras mas, sto plaisio twn dieqnwn synqhkwn, se oloys toys tomeis, thn oikonomia, thn ejwterikh politikh, ton tomea twn koinwnikwn qematwn. O Prwqypoyrgos, me sygkekrimena stoixeia, qa dwsei anaglyfh thn eikona toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Megalo endiaferon gia sas, opws gnwrizw kai gnwrizete, exei kai h ef olhs ths ylhs synenteyjh poy qa paraxwrhsei o Prwqypoyrgos thn Kyriakh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws gnwrizei h Kybernhsh, mhpws exei enhmerwqei giati h E. E. den metexei -opws epi 15 xronia- sth DEQ;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema poy afora th DEQ. O Organismos poy diorganwnei ayth thn Ekqesh nomizw oti exei kanei ta deonta prokeimenoy na proselkysei to endiaferon oso ginetai perissoterwn ekqetwn, symmetexontwn. Den gnwrizw leptomerws, poioi metexoyn kai poioi den pairnoyn meros sth fetinh Ekqesh. Alla, ayto den prepei na odhgei -oi opoies allages, dhladh, ston ariqmo symmetoxhs- sthn ejagwgh politikwn symperasmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H E. E. den metexei me proionta, metexei panta me ena periptero. Fetos giati; Den sas enhmerwsan giati den metexei; Den zhthse o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias na maqei; Den apasxolhse thn Kybernhsh; Sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, metexoyme, giati...

REPPAS: Parakalw, loipon, na apeyqynqeite ston Organismo ths DEQ, gia na parete leptomereies. Den gnwrizw leptomereies. Einai dynato na gnwrizw poia einai akribws h prwtoboylia, h opoia anelhfqh apo thn armodia yphresia ths E. E., oson afora th symmetoxh h mh sthn DEQ!!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apasxolhse thn Kybernhsh ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Apasxolei th DEQ. Apanthsa gi ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, thn Kybernhsh den thn apasxolei;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema sthn Kybernhsh. Se emas den exei perielqei tetoio qema, prokeimenoy na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, kata th metabash toy sth Qessalonikh kai thn ekei paramonh toy epi 2hmero, protiqetai na synanthqei me toys ypochfioys Dhmarxoys ths polhs, oloys h mono me ton k. Lazaridh, opws synebh prosfata, otan eixe paei o k. Shmiths sth Qessalonikh, gia na synanthsei ton k. Klima;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos kata thn paramonh toy sth Qessalonikh qa exei th dynatothta na syzhthsei, to Sabbato to prwi, me toys koinwnikoys foreis kai ekproswpoys twn paragwgikwn tajewn ths polhs, se mia megalh syskech, ths opoias antikeimeno kai periexomeno qa einai ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th Qessalonikh kai to lao ths perioxhs. Sth syskech ayth qa symmetexoyn qesmikoi ekproswpoi diaforwn forewn. Apo kei kai pera oi ypochfioi, gia opoiodhpote ajiwma, gnwrizete oti den exoyn tetoia idiothta, h opoia na dikaiologei th symmetoxh toys se kapoia syskech. O Prwqypoyrgos exei thn eyxereia, opws kaqe politikos arxhgos, afoy einai kai Proedros toy Kinhmatos, na epilegei aytoys toys opoioys qa synanthsei, sto plaisio twn kommatikwn diadikasiwn kai synergasiwn. Ayto ekane kai ayto, nomizw, prepei na synexisei na kanei, opws kaqe politikos arxhgos. To ena den anairei to allo. Alla, ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn ypoxrewsewn toy, exei epikoinwnia kai synergasia me toys foreis ths polhs kai ths perioxhs. H synergasia ayth, me deka kai pleon ekproswpoys forewn, qa ginei to Sabbato to prwi.

FILHS: Mia egkyklios -poimantikh as poyme- toy Arxiepiskopoy Xristodoyloy, me thn opoia, ap' o, ti ektimatai, epanerxetai o qesmos ths ypoxrewtikhs ejomologhshs twn maqhtwn, exei prokalesei tis antidraseis ekpaideytikwn, gonewn kai maqhtwn. Epeidh to qema aptetai twn kybernhtikwn armodiothtwn gia to sxoleio sthn Ellada, toylaxiston akomh kai topoqeteitai sto epipedo twn kosmikwn armodiothtwn, yparxei kapoio sxolio ek meroys ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio periorizomai na pw shmera einai oti, seira qematwn poy apasxoloyn thn Ekklhsia h aforoyn tis sxeseis ths Politeias me thn Ekklhsia, qa antimetwpistoyn sthn epikeimenh synanthsh toy armodioy gia ta qemata ayta Ypoyrgoy Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Arsenh me ton Makariotato Arxiepiskopo Aqhnwn. Sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs, qa doqei h dynatothta na antallagoyn apoceis kai na ejeyreqoyn lyseis se problhmata ta opoia apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh Ekklhsia. Ta qemata, loipon, poy exei qesei o Makariotatos h qetei h Ekklhsia -kai to sygkekrimeno poy anaferate- qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ayths ths syzhthshs.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws ths synanthshs poy qa exoyn kai ti qa poyn, poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos ths ejomologhsews;

REPPAS: Doqentos oti h synanthsh ayth qa ginei entos twn epomenwn hmerwn, nomizw oti den einai orqo, einai antideontologiko, na probw shmera se anakoinwseis, epi diaforwn qematwn, prin ginei h syzhthsh metajy toy Ypoyrgoy kai toy Makariotatoy kai doqei h dynatothta se oloys na gnwrizoyn poio einai to apotelesma ayths ths syzhthshs.

KIAOS: Den exete qesh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, yparxoyn qeseis gia ola ta qemata, alla, antilambaneste oti oi qeseis aytes prepei na syzhtoyntai se ena qesmiko plaisio, wste na einai paragwgikes kai na antimetwpizoyme etsi ton peirasmo na dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis, xwris na eimaste arkoyntws apotelesmatikoi.

KIAOS: Mhpws prokeitai na syzhthsei o k. Arsenhs kai me ton antistoixo, as poyme, ths Kaqolikhs Ekklhsias, ekproswpo toy Papa, gia to qema ths ejomologhsews twn Kaqolikwn h me toys Moysoylmanoys;

REPPAS: An o sygkekrimenos ajiwmatoyxos epizhtei synanthsh me ypoyrgo ths Kybernhshs kai ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, bebaiws, qa yparjei analogh antapokrish. Oi Ypoyrgoi h ajiwmatoyxoi ths Kybernhshs syzhtoyn me oloys toys ekproswpoys twn forewn gia qemata poy exoyn koino endiaferon. Pantote ginetai ayto.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh exei ena programma poy afora thn askhsh ths politikhs ston ekpaideytiko xwro. Exei orismenes ajies epi th basei twn opoiwn egkriqhke apo ton ellhniko lao to programma ths. To erwthma einai: to stoixeio ths ypoxrewtikhs ejomologhshs apotelei synistwsa ths kybernhtikhs politikhs sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs;

REPPAS: Ayta einai jekaqarismena kai safh. Gnwrizete oti ta dhmosia sxoleia exoyn sygkekrimeno kanonismo basei toy opoioy leitoyrgoyn. Mhn perimenete, omws, shmera na epanalabw gnwstes qeseis tis opoies as epitrecoyme na tis anaptyjei me leptomereies o Ypoyrgos Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, afoy exei th dynatothta na syzhthsei gia ola ayta ta qemata me to Makariotato. Den xreiazetai emeis, shmera, na protrejoyme, poly perissotero otan olh ayth h syzhthsh h opoia prokaleitai, polles fores den exei oysiastiko periexomeno kai antikrysma. Oi qeseis mas einai safeis kai den allazoyn. H politikh mas paramenei ayth poy einai kai se sas gnwsth.

FILHS: Poia einai; Den th gnwrizoyme!

REPPAS: Gnwrizete ti ginetai.

FILHS: Oxi, den gnwrizoyme. To problhma einai, apo o, ti fainetai, oti eseis den qelete na peite poia einai h politikh sas.

REPPAS: H politikh mas einai gnwsth. Thn exete ypoch sas giati mas parakoloyqeite. Isxyei ayth h politikh, efarmozetai kai den prokeitai na diataraxqei.

PETOYRH: O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas apo thn Tynhsia opoy brisketai askhse kritikh sthn politikh twn kybernhsewn ths E. E. apodidontas toys diaxeiristikh logikh, h opoia adynatei na antimetwpisei ta megala koinwnika problhmata, opws h anergia. Otan rwthqhke, an ejairei thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh, apanthse oti anaferetai se oles tis kybernhseis ths E. E. Ekane, malista, gnwsto oti to epomeno diasthma qa paroysiasei th dikh toy synolikh protash. Qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw an sas problhmatizei h kritikh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, me dedomeno oti apotelei melos ths Kybernhshs kai malista koryfaio.

REPPAS: H Ellada symmetexei sthn E. E., me th dikh ths qelhsh. Einai epilogh mas na parameinoyme sthn E. E. kai na prwtagwnistoyme stis eyrwpaikes ejelijeis. Ayto to opoio mas problhmatizei -kai kat' epanalhch exoyme ekfrasei aytoys toys problhmatismoys mas- einai h dhmioyrgia problhmatwn kata thn ejelijh ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs poy aforoyn eyaisqhtoys tomeis, opws einai h apasxolhsh. Yparxei, pragmatika -to exoyme pei kat' epanalhch- ena koinwniko elleimma, sto plaisio leitoyrgias ths E. E. Yparxei kai dhmokratiko elleimma, oson afora th qesmikh leitoyrgia twn organwn ths E. E. Ta qemata ayta, kat' epanalhch, exoyn teqei, exoyn epishmanqei oi enstaseis kai oi amfibolies apo polles pleyres. Kai apo thn Ellada kai thn Kybernhsh mas. Ayto to opoio kanoyme einai na symballoyme sto metro toy dynatoy, wste na antimetwpistoyn kai na jeperastoyn ta problhmata ayta. Ayto exei shmasia. Kata ta alla, sto plaisio ths dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias toy Kinhmatos mas, bebaiws, oles oi apoceis kai oi problhmatismoi exoyn th qesh toys kai einai xrhsimoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh epimenei na chfistei to nomosxedio gia th chfiakh thleorash apo to Tmhma;

REPPAS: Den einai qema epimonhs ths Kybernhshs. Einai wrimo, pisteyw, meta tis syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei, na syzhthsoyme to nomosxedio ayto kai na toy dwsoyme, pleon, th morfh sygkekrimenoy nomoy, prokeimenoy h xwra mas na eiselqei, me ena safes plaisio kanonwn kai proypoqesewn, sthn koinwnia twn plhroforiwn, oson afora ki ayto to sygkekrimeno tomea ths paroxhs radiothleoptikwn syndromhtikwn yphresiwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kai o N. 2328 chfisthke ton Aygoysto toy 1995 kata th leitoyrgia twn qerinwn tmhmatwn ths Boylhs. Tiqetai ena qema syntagmatikoy xarakthra, to opoio eixe apanthqei tote kai qa apanthqei kai twra, an teqei kai pali armodiws. Prepei na sas pw oti ginetai mia anafora sta atomika dikaiwmata, ta opoia eggizei to nomosxedio ayto me tis ryqmiseis toy. Wstoso, oi ryqmiseis aytes aforoyn qesmikes eggyhseis, mia kai h paroxh radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn apotelei -symfwna me to arqro 15 par.2 toy Syntagmatos- dhmosia leitoyrgia. Kai h paroxh aytwn twn qesmikwn eggyhsewn, h diasfalish toys, h kaqierwsh toys einai kati to opoio mporei na syzhthqei nomimws sto plaisio leitoyrgias enos qerinoy Tmhmatos toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Den yparxei, loipon, opoiodhpote syntagmatiko h allo nomiko qema.

STAMATOPOLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, milhsate gia qesmikes eggyhseis. Efoson einai qesmiko to nomosxedio, giati to pate sto Tmhma;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws apanthsate;

REPPAS: Kapoioi isxyrizontai oti oi ryqmiseis toy aforoyn atomika dikaiwmata. H apanthsh poy eixe doqei palaiotera kai dinetai kai shmera einai oti to nomosxedio ayto epilambanetai ths kaqierwshs twn aparaithtwn qesmikwn eggyhsewn, prokeimenoy oi radiothleoptikes yphresies na parexontai me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai oroys. Einai nomimo, epitrepto, qemito, einai kai politika anagkaio kai xrhsimo na ginei kai twra, doqentos oti to qema ayto mas exei apasxolhsei epi arketoys mhnes. Shmera poy diatypwsame mia safh, oloklhrwmenh kai sygkrothmenh protash, kaloyme oloys na diatypwsoyn tis qeseis toys, anti, parakamptontas ayth thn ypoxrewsh toys, na katafeygoyn se memcimoiries kai synqhmatologikes kataggelies epi toy nomosxedioy, oi opoies den exoyn antikrysma alhqeias. Isws, to kanoyn ayto epeidh adynatoyn, apo agnoia toy qematos h apo fygoponia na melethsoyn to qema opws exei, na topoqethqoyn sygkekrimena kai me ypeyqynothta gia to nomosxedio ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati oi metoxes den einai onomastikes;

REPPAS: Oi metoxes einai onomastikes. Ejairoyntai oi etairies oi opoies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio. H eisagwgh mias etairias sto Xrhmatisthrio qewroyme oti ejasfalizei eparkh diafaneia logw ths diasporas twn metoxwn ths. Epishs, dinetai h dynatothta na proselkystoyn sthn Ellada jena kefalaia kai na ependysoyn edw, prokeimenoy na anaptyjoyn drasthriothtes sto sygkekrimeno tomea. Einai ryqmiseis oi opoies -opws eipa sth dhlwsh poy ekana, kaqws to nomosxedio htan pros kataqesh- odhgoyn sthn aposafhnish toy radiothleoptikoy topioy, ajiopoiwntas th dieqnh empeiria. Prepei na sas pw -mia kai diabasa kai egw diafores kathgories na diatypwnontai- oti se opoiadhpote allh xwra ths Eyrwphs den yparxoyn diatypwmenes toso aysthres ryqmiseis h ypoxrewseis, toso sygkekrimenoi kanones, prokeimenoy kapoios na exei th dynatothta na anaptyjei radiothleoptikes yphresies ayths ths morfhs, syndromhtikoy dhladh xarakthra. Ola ayta, omws, mh qelete na ta syzhthsoyme shmera. Qa ta syzhthsoyme sto plaisio ths Boylhs. Sas edwsa apanthseis sta qemata poy qetete. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, ypenqymizw kai pali oti paroysiasa to nomosxedio thn 1h Ioylioy toy 1998. Perasan dyo mhnes kai kapoies hmeres kai epishmws, apo kanena komma, den exw labei apanthsh me tis qeseis toys gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Para to oti me epistolh poy esteila ekeinh thn hmera stoys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn, zhthsa tis qeseis toys kai tis parathrhseis toys kai teqhka sth diaqesh toys gia opoia enhmerwsh. Prepei na sas pw oti den yphrje, epi dimhno kai pleon, opoiadhpote antidrash. Kai me thn aformh ths kataqeshs toy nomosxedioy eixame aplws dhlwseis kai kataggelies. Den nomizw oti einai mia ypeyqynh politikh stash ayth.

KIAOS: Sxetika me thn idiokthsia meroys twn metoxwn toy MEGA poy poylhse o k. Alafoyzos, poios exei parei to pososto toy k. Alafoyzoy;

REPPAS: Oi metoxes aytes metabibasthkan mesw toy Xrhmatisthrioy. To metoxologio ths etaireias poy elegxei to sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo einai gnwsto. Oi armodioi foreis kai h Yphresia mas exoyn to sxetiko katalogo o opoios einai sth diaqesh sas. Einai ekatontades aytoi poy exoyn apokthsei metoxes sthn anwnymh etaireia "THLETYPOS". Ta onomata toys mporei na ta exei o kaqe endiaferomenos. Mporeite na apeyqynqeite sth sygkekrimenh yphresia.

KIAOS: An mporeite thn erxomenh ebdomada, giati twra mesolabei kai h DEQ, yparxoyn dhmosieymata, oxi mono twra, alla kai pro mhnwn, poy omiloyn gia agores h pwlhseis metoxwn apo th mia efhmerida sthn allh, rwtw an mporeite symfwna me to nomo na mas plhroforhsete kai gi' ayto to qema.

REPPAS: Kai ta metoxologia twn etaireiwn poy ekdidoyn tis efhmerides einai gnwsta se mas, giati einai ypoxrewtiko, symfwna me to nomo, kaqe metabibash metoxwn na gnwstopoieitai stoys armodioys foreis kai to Ypoyrgeio mas. Ara, loipon, kai ta metoxologia twn efhmeridwn yparxoyn kai einai sth diaqesh sas.

TRILIKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela dyo sxolia: Prwton, gia th synenteyjh toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Gilmaz sthn Ntoytse Belle, o opoios proanhggeile epiptwsh enswmatwshs twn katexomenwn kai deyteron, oson afora thn apoxwrhsh toy NATO apo thn Albania me dedomenh th krish sto eswteriko politiko skhniko ths xwras ayths.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, h apoxwrhsh twn armodiwn apo thn Albania egine, me bash ta osa oi idioi eipan, gia logoys asfaleias. Asfalws, epiqymoyme na yparjei staqeropoihsh, to syntomotero dynaton, sto geitoniko kratos. Symballoyme s' ayth thn kateyqynsh kai pisteyoyme oti kai to NATO mporei na paijei ena qetiko rolo. Allwste, ayto apotelei kai epiqymia ths Kybernhshs ths geitonikhs xwras.

TRILIKHS: Syggnwmh, enas paragontas asfaleias, opws diateinetai oti einai to NATO gia ta Balkania, apomakrynetai kai noiwqete asfaleis;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia toys logoys toys opoioys epikalesthkan oi idioi.

TRILIKHS: Toys aspazeste;

REPPAS: Den einai dynaton, ayth thn wra, afoy den yparxei kapoia diadikasia se ejelijh sthn opoia symmetexontes kai emeis ws melos toy NATO na exoyme th dynatothta na poyme thn apoch mas, na diatypwsoyme mia apoch xwris na exoyme sth diaqesh mas ola ta sxetika stoixeia. Efoson teqei ayto to qema, to opoio apasxolei kai to NATO kai tis xwres-melh toy, qa doqei kai se mas h dynatothta na poyme me leptomereies thn apoch mas. Mexri tote den exoyme logo na kanoyme opoiodhpote allo sxolio. Oson afora to prwto qema ths synenteyjhs toy k. Gilmaz, oi dhlwseis aytes toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy apoteloyn epanalhch twn gnwstwn proklhtikwn kai epiqetikwn politikwn qesewn poy exoyn diatypwsei Toyrkoi ajiwmatoyxoi. Gia mia akomh fora epibebaiwnetai pws h Toyrkia brisketai se entelws antiqeth kateyqynsh apo ayth poy qelei na emfanisei oti akoloyqei, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia to kypriako qema. O dieqnhs paragwn ola ayta qa prepei na ta labei sobara ypoch toy kai na ta staqmisei, etsi wste kai h taktikh thn opoia qa akoloyqhsei, ekdhlwnontas to endiaferon toy gia to Kypriako, na einai, metajy twn allwn, ena apokrystallwma sygkekrimenwn symperasmatwn, ta opoia qa exei, pleon, logw aytwn twn qesewn ths Toyrkias. Giati prepei, epiteloys, o dieqnhs paragwn na bgalei ta symperasmata toy.

FILHS: Polles fores xrhsimopoieite thn ekfrash "dieqnhs paragwn". Ti ennoeite akribws;

REPPAS: Ennow toys foreis, ta organa h kai ta proswpa ta opoia anaptyssoyn ena rolo poy yperbainei ta synora ths xwras toys, ta synora mias orismenhs epikrateias. Ek twn pragmatwn mporei na pei kaneis oti ennooyme ayton poy exei mia ejoysiodothsh, exei mia nomikh-qesmikh ypostash. Eite einai kapoios politikos paragwn, eite kapoio organo sto opoio symmetexoyn diafores xwres. Antilambaneste poly kala ti ennooyme me ayth th frash. Kai, afoy oloi, me ayth th frash, ennooyme to idio pragma, den yparxei problhma.

Sas eyxaristw poly kai Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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