Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-07-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Ioylioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Gia th xqesinh syskech exete na mas peite kati perissotero;

REPPAS: Ekanan dhlwseis oi Ypoyrgoi poy elaban meros. Den yparxei tipota peran aytoy. Syzhthqhkan qemata ejwterikhs kai amyntikhs politikhs.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh ektima oti ta osa eipe o k. Pagkalos, kata thn periodeia toy sth Qrakh, synexizoyn na exoyn isxy;

REPPAS: Apolytws. Kai malista ayjhmenh. Meta th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Tzem, me anafora kai s` ayto to qema, mporw na pw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, oti o k. Pagkalos htan poly safhs. Asfalws ta Projeneia exoyn ena poly sygkekrimeno kai prosdiorismeno rolo. Oi armodiothtes toys einai dedomenes. Den mporoyn na askoyn armodiothtes poy den toys anhkoyn. H Toyrkia, allwste, se o, ti afora th Qrakh, exei th sxesh ekeinh poy exei kai opoiadhpote allh xwra. Den exei kapoia eidikh sxesh, oyte ths anagnwrizontai ejairetika pronomia, wste na mila me ayto ton tropo o ekproswpos ths. Ayta ta opoia eipe o k. Pagkalos sth Qrakh isxyoyn apolytws.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos eipe pros toys Amerikanoys "afhste mas hsyxoys". Synexizei na isxyei h protash ayth;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, prin apo treis hmeres...

MIXAHL: Shmera, meta ta osa...

REPPAS: Moy qetete thn idia erwthsh kai dinw thn idia apanthsh, parapempontas sas se o, ti eixa pei proxqes.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos pote qa synanthqei me ton k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Einai qema twn epomenwn hmerwn. Isws ayrio, isws meqayrio. Eipa kai xqes oti o k. Pagkalos synanta diplwmates allwn xwrwn, sto plaisio ths taktikhs epikoinwnias poy exei me toys ekproswpoys jenwn kybernhsewn. Qa dei kai ton k. Mperns sto plaisio aytwn twn epafwn.

TRILHKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an exoyn ginei kapoies systaseis h exoyn doqei kapoies symboyles pros ton Toyrko projeno sth Qrakh, sxetika me thn ekei drash toy. An, dhladh, toy exei epishmanqei kapoio stoixeio poy den exei na kanei me ayta poy epitrepontai h epiballontai apo toys dieqneis kanonismoys.

REPPAS: Den exei kapoia eidikh dikaiodosia to toyrkiko Projeneio sth Qrakh. Ara, den yparxei kapoios eidikos xeirismos. Ayto poy prepei na dexqeite einai oti, sto plaisio twn synergasiwn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs me tis jenes diplwmatikes arxes, yparxei olh h aparaithth dynatothta kai anesh, prokeimenoy na antallassontai apoceis, na dieykolynetai h synergasia, na proagontai oi sxeseis metajy ths Elladas kai twn allwn xwrwn. Ayto ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Bebaiws, h drasthriothta twn diplwmatikwn arxwn sth xwra mas prepei na anaptyssetai afenos sto plaisio poy problepei o nomos kai afeteroy sto plaisio poy ypagoreyetai apo tis kales sxeseis poy prepei na exoyn metajy toys oi xwres.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh den ginontai s` ayta ta plaisia;

REPPAS: Otan yparxei kati to opoio ekfeygei aytoy toy plaisioy h antidrash ths Kybernhshs einai analogh. Einai h antidrash poy ekdhlwnei opoiadhpote kybernhsh, se opoiadhpote xwra, otan diapistwnei oti oi jenes diplwmatikes antiproswpeies leitoyrgoyn kata tropon poy yponomeyei afenos ta symferonta ths xwras poy filojenei th sygkekrimenh diplwmatikh antiproswpeia kai afeteroy blaptei kai tis dimereis sxeseis.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxei kati sygkekrimeno apo th drasthriothta toy toyrkikoy Projeneioy poy exei enoxlhsei thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O, tidhpote sygkekrimeno anaferetai, ejetazetai, elegxetai kai analogws h Kybernhsh apanta. Den exoyme kati sygkekrimeno poy na apotelei, ayth thn wra, antikeimeno meleths, prokeimenoy na anamenete ki eseis na ekdwsoyme kapoia apofash.

FILHS: O Kyprios synadelfos sas k. Stylianidhs dhlwse xqes oti h apofash gia toys S-300 elhfqh apo thn Aqhna kai th Leykwsia sto plaisio toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Dogmatos. Ayto shmainei oti opoiadhpote ejelijh panw s` ayto to qema qa apofasistei apo koinoy metajy Aqhnas kai Leykwsias;

REPPAS: Ta pragmata einai etsi opws ta eipe o k. Stylianidhs. Sto plaisio toy Dogmatos, alla kai poly prin apo to Dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy, gnwrizete poly kala oti h synergasia twn dyo kybernhsewn einai stenh, stenotath. Gia ola, loipon, ta qemata yparxei antallagh apocewn kai synergasia.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai poios lambanei thn apofash; Mono h Leykwsia, mono h Aqhna h Aqhna kai Leykwsia apo koinoy;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ta opoia exoyn eqniko xarakthra antilambaneste poly kala oti ta xeirizetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh meta apo synennohsh me thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Einai gnwsto allwste -kat` epanalhch exoyn ginei sxetikes dhlwseis- oti oi dyo kybernhseis einai eyqygrammismenes stoys xeirismoys poy aforoyn to megalo eqniko qema.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Mas exete pei epaneilhmmena oti h apofash sxetika me thn agora twn S-300 anhkei sthn kypriakh pleyra...

REPPAS: Ma, h Kypriakh Kybernhsh einai h nomimh kybernhsh ths Kyproy. Oi apofaseis gia to eqniko qema den lambanontai erhmhn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kai h Ellhnikh kai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh gia thn antimetwpish toy Kypriakoy problhmatos, kinoyntai sto plaisio twn apofasewn poy exei labei o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai to Symboylio Asfaleias. Oi apofaseis aytes kai ta chfismata, prepei na pw me thn eykairia, jepernoyn tis 100 kai omws den exoyn efarmostei. Oi dyo kybernhseis, loipon, kinoyntai s` ayto to plaisio, nomimopoioyntai, dikaioyntai na synergazontai apolytws, na exoyn stenotates sxeseis kai na diamorfwnoyn taytoshmes politikes epiloges, prokeimenoy etsi na antimetwpistei to Kypriako qema.

MIXAHL: Gia sas exei kleisei h parenqesh sthn entash twn ellhnoamerikanikwn sxesewn. Gia ton k. Pagkalo fainetai oti den exei kleisei, an toylaxiston symperanoyme apo th xqesinh toy apanthsh. Ti isxyei ap` ola;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos den sas edwse diaforetikh apanthsh.

MIXAHL: Ejefrase to qaymasmo toy h thn aporia toy, oti akribws ayto to eipate ki eseis prin. To eixate pei xqes to meshmeri eseis.

REPPAS: An eseis qesate kati to opoio eipa egw, o k. Pagkalos anagnwrise pws pragmati etsi exoyn ta pragmata. Giati o k. Pagkalos panta leei thn alhqeia. Me ayth thn ennoia, eipe kati to aytonohto. Eprepe na perimenete oti qa pei ayto to opoio eipe o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai mia gia ola ayta ta qemata. Apo thn prwth hmera poy ta syzhthsame eixate th dynatothta na to antilhfqeite ayto. Den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto to shmeio.

TRILHKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an problepetai h an exei programmatistei sygklish toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy.

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes se sxetikes erwthseis. Den exei programmatistei kati tetoio.

PITTARAS: Diabasa oti o gios toy Fatos Nano einai anamemeigmenos se mia ypoqesh me narkwtika. Qa hqela na moy peite an gnwrizete kati perissotero gi` ayth thn ypoqesh kai kyriws an alhqeyei.

REPPAS: Exoyme plhroforhqei to qema ayto. Prepei na pw oti den einai shmantiko qema. Afora mia mikrh posothta 3, 4 grammariwn xasis. Nomizw oti apo yperballonta ippotismo h altroyismo o nearos, epeidh dieqete kai diplwmatiko diabathrio, qewrhse oti exei thn anesh na prosferei kalych kai omprela sta melh ths syntrofias toy kai na analabei ekeinos thn eyqynh. To qema ayto to antimetwpizoyme sto plaisio twn nomwn. Qewrw, omws, oti einai ena qema to opoio den exei th diastash poy isws kapoioi toy apodidoyn kai gi` ayto pisteyoyme oti qa kleisei.

FILHS: H efhmerida "AYGH" shmera dhmosieyei mia apanthsh se sygxarhthrio thlegrafhma gia thn eklogh toy Arxiepiskopoy Aqhnwn, se ena entypo to opoio ekfrazei to filobasiliko xwro kai einai organo ths "Antikommoynistikhs Stayroforias Ellados". S` ayto arqrografoyn boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai genikws yparxoyn qemata s` ayto to entypo yper ths 4hs Aygoystoy kai ths palinorqwshs ths monarxias. O Makariotatos, antapodidontas tis eyxes -kai exei shmasia otan eyxetai o Makariotatos- toys eyxetai "eyodwsh en tois ymeterois", dhladh s` ayta poy anefera nwritera. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Exei megalh shmasia otan eyxetai kai proseyxetai o Makariotatos. Nomizw, omws, oti einai synhqismeno s` aytes tis periptwseis -kai prepei ki eseis na anamenete oti kati tetoio exei symbei- na mhn einai pantote gnwstoi se mas, otan dexomaste sygxarhthria thlegrafhmata h eyxes, oi apostoleis toys. Oi apanthseis pantote ypagoreyontai apo mia diaqesh eygenikh, mia diaqesh na antapodwseis to aisqhma xaras poy niwqeis otan kapoios soy eyxetai. Kai m` ayth thn ennoia, den nomizw oti sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh prepei na anazhthsete politika elathria h politikh oysia sthn allhlografia ayth. Einai mia typikh, pisteyw, allhlografia, h opoia den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me politikes protimhseis -opws isws afhnete na ennohqei- toy Arxiepiskopoy. Pisteyoyme oti o Arxiepiskopos einai peran olwn aytwn. To ergo toy einai kat` ejoxhn pneymatiko. Den oikodomei thn ejoysia toy panw se ideologikes h politikes qeseis. Nomizw, loipon, oti den qa prepei na bgaloyme, etsi abasanista, ena symperasma, to opoio ton adikei.

FILHS: Kai pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o Makariotatos, molis anelabe Arxiepiskopos Aqhnwn, ebale thn korwna epanw sta epistoloxarta toy, thn opoia den eixe o prohgoymenos Arxiepiskopos Serafeim h oti o Makariotatos apoteloyse sto parelqon epilekto melos ths syntrofias enos periqwriakoy, parakratikoy entypoy;

REPPAS: O Makariotatos ejelegh me tis diadikasies poy problepei o Katastatikos Xarths ths Ekklhsias kai einai Arxiepiskopos ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados.

FILHS: Exei orkistei pisth sto Syntagma, omws.

REPPAS: Ma, gi` ayto akribws ekana ayto to sxolio sthn prwth erwthsh sas, parolo oti qa mporoysa na to apofygw, giati den exei kanena logo h Kybernhsh na sxoliazei thn allhlografia toy Arxiepiskopoy me foreis h proswpa. To ekana, omws, giati einai dedomenh h pisth sto Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy Kratoys, afoy se ayta orkisthke o Arxiepiskopos. Ara den qa prepei na anazhthsete, opws eipa, alla politika kinhtra s` ayth thn apanthsh thn opoia edwse, se eyxes poy toy apeyqynqhkan. Oson afora twra ta emblhmata ths Ekklhsias kai thn paroysia toy stemmatos, gnwrizete poly kala oti se polles Ekklhsies anartwntai shmaies poy exoyn to dikefalo aeto toy Byzantioy kai ena stemma ws korwnida. Einai ena emblhma ayto, to opoio den nomizw oti qa prepei na to ermhneysoyme me analyseis politikoy xarakthra. Einai ena istoriko emblhma. Alla, mhn mpoyme se ayta, giati nomizw oti eimaste poly peran twn armodiothtwn mas ki egw ki eseis. Mpainoyme se qemata istorias kai symbolismwn ta opoia prospaqoyme na ta ejhghsoyme me politikes skopimothtes, oi opoies den pisteyw oti yparxoyn.

FILHS: As dwsei o Makariotatos mia ejhghsh, giati den einai skopimo aytos na...

REPPAS: Gi` ayto, loipon, na apeyqynqeite sto Makariotato kai na toy qesete to sxetiko erwthma.

FILHS: Den kalyptete, loipon, to qema eseis...

REPPAS: Den kalyptw to qema kai den kalyptw kanenan. Kanw mia ektimhsh, giati den qelw na dianohqw oti sto dhmosio bio ths xwras oi epifaneis paragontes, oi opoioi exoyn analabei desmeyseis me ton orko poy exoyn dwsei, prattoyn teleiws diaforetika apo ayta ta opoia dhmosiws omologoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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