Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Ioynioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, brisketai sto ejwteriko. Thn Tetarth qa einai pali sthn Ellada kai apo to prwi qa exei syskeceis kai synergasies me stelexh ths Kybernhshs. Qa sas anakoinwsw leptomereies ayrio. O Prwqypoyrgos einai sth Frankfoyrth, metexontas stis ekdhlwseis gia thn egkatastash toy neoy Dioikhth ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEJAKH: O k. Shmiths qa synanthqei, thn Tetarth, me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

REPPAS: Exei, metajy twn allwn, synanthsh me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, thn Tetarth.

ALEJAKH: Gi' ayta poy dhmosieyontai, shmera, sthn efhmerida "AYRIANH" gia "sarwtiko" anasxhmatismo, ti lete;

REPPAS: Den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy. H Kybernhsh proxwrei me th synqesh poy exei, gia na dwsei kai na kerdisei tis epomenes maxes, en ocei twn Nomarxiakwn kai Dhmotikwn Eklogwn. To synolo twn dynamewn toy PASOK kai ths Kybernhshs, ena stoxo kai ena skopo exei. Na epityxoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata, me thn proodo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Pagkalos, epistrefontas apo thn Kypro, ejapelyse nea epiqesh kata toy k. Papoytsh. H Kybernhsh symmerizetai ta osa eipe kai idiaitera toys xarakthrismoys toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn gia ton Koinotiko Epitropo;

REPPAS: Exoyme syzhthsei gi' ayto to qema, to opoio exei kleisei. Mhn to epanaferete, me thn ennoia oti eida dhmosieymata, alla den gnwrizw pws akribws exei o dialogos. En pash periptwsei, gnwrizete poly kala oti gi' ayto to qema exoyme kat' epanalhch syzhthsei. O k. Pagkalos einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai o k. Papoytshs einai Koinotikos Epitropos, protaqeis apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh na ekproswpei kai th xwra, peran toy oti einai shmainwn koinotikos paragontas. Ayto to qema exei kleisei. Kaqenas exei thn idiothta toy kai prepei, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, na kanei ta panta, wste na antapokriqei sto rolo poy toy exei anateqei apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti yparxei metajy ths Kybernhshs kai toy k. Papoytsh kai epitiqentai melh ths Kybernhshs, me tetoio tropo;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota. Kai ayto, isws, einai ena problhma, to oti den yparxei tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati bgainoyn kai ton brizoyn;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, k. Stamatopoyle.

LAKOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy, o k. Papoytshs den ekproswpei thn Kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Milhsa gia th xwra kai eipa "protaqeis apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai shmainwn koinotikos paragontas".

LAKOPOYLOS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh synergazetai me ton k. Papoytsh, ws armodio Epitropo, ston tomea ths armodiothtas toy;

REPPAS: Opws exei eipwqei apo ton kat' ejoxhn armodio Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, h synergasia ayth mporei kai prepei na ginei poly kalyterh.

KARELIAS: O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, o k. Papantwnioy, exei pleon thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Apolytws.

BITSENTZOY: To ellhniko aeroplano poy qa paei me bohqeia sta Adana perimenei egkrish pthshs apo thn Toyrkia perissotero xrono apo to fysiologiko;

REPPAS: Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, moy dinete ki emena aformh na ekfrasw th lyph ths Kybernhshs mas, gia to plhgma poy edexqh h geitonikh xwra. Ekfrazoyme th symparastash mas se aytes tis dyskoles wres poy perna. Exoyme armodiws, epishmws kai egkairws dwsei sthn Toyrkia to mhnyma ths symparastashs mas kai malista epiqymoyme kai empraktws na ekfrasoyme ayth th bohqeia pros thn Toyrkia. Anamenoyme odhgies apo thn armodia yphresia ths geitonikhs xwras, oxi monon emeis, alla kai alles xwres poy exoyn ekfrasei analogo endiaferon na bohqhsoyn, prokeimenoy etsi na antapokriqoyme sto rolo allhleggyhs, ton opoio epiqymoyme na analaboyme se mia dyskolh, gia thn Toyrkia, peristash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dyo eisaggeleis phgan sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai phran kapoioys fakeloys. Meta apo ayth thn energeia, nomimh opws lene aytoi, dexqhkan thn epiqesh kai toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. Enhrghsan paranoma oi eisaggeleis;

REPPAS: Oydeis edexqh epiqesh. Asfalws, askhqhke kritikh kai diatypwqhkan sxolia gia th meqodo, h opoia epilexqhke kai oxi gia th dynatothta kai to dikaiwma poy exoyn oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi na ereynoyn, na syllegoyn stoixeia, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyn se ena porisma. Eipame oti ola ayta prepei na ginontai me enan tropo kosmio, na throyntai kapoioi kanones deontologias, wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis, oi opoies polles fores, otan dhmioyrgoyntai, kalyptoyn thn oysia twn pragmatwn, dhmioyrgoyn mia atmosfaira poy den einai eyxaristh. Kai ayth thn wra poy epiqymoyme oloi, na pesei apleto fws se qemata, idiaiterws, poy aforoyn thn antimetwpish fainomenwn diafqoras, pisteyw oti to endiaferon mas qa to epikentrwsoyme stoys xeirismoys kai tis kinhseis poy prepei na ginoyn, wste oi entypwseis na mhn epikalyptoyn thn oysia. Na ejetastoyn ta fainomena ta opoia yparxoyn, an yparxoyn, kai oxi na ejantlhqoyme se mia filologia peri twn problhmatwn diafqoras kai na meinoyme ekei, sthn epifaneia, xwris na pame sto baqos, sthn oysia. Den eipwqhke tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den htan kosmios o tropos me ton opoion enhrghsan; Den htan nomimos; Paranoma enhrghsan;

REPPAS: Eipwqhke apo toys dyo ypoyrgoys oti qa mporoyse na yparxei mia epikoinwnia me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs h me thn hgesia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, h opoia, bebaiws, einai sth diaqesh twn dikastikwn arxwn na proskomisei opoia stoixeia krinontai aparaithta kai xrhsima, gia na ferei se peras to ergo poy ths exei anateqei, h dikastikh arxh. Alla, to na paroysiazetai ayto to endiaferon twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn ws efodos kai eisbolh, san na prokeitai gia exqriko edafos, pisteyoyme oti dhmioyrgei mia lanqasmenh entypwsh kai syntelei sto na stelnontai kai laqos mhnymata. Dioti, h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, oxi mono den exei kati na krycei, alla epiqymei diakaws, opoy yparxoyn problhmata, me th syndromh kai twn dikastikwn arxwn, na antimetwpistoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla, otan einai emplekomena proswpa apo thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy kai thn astynomikh hgesia, qa mporoysan aytoi na toys epitrecoyn na paroyn fakeloys;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, einai teleiws aneyqyno na leei kapoios oti h politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, o Genikos Grammateas, dhladh, h h hgesia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, o Arxhgos kai oi Yparxhgoi ths EL. AS., dhladh, exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me ayta ta fainomena. Kat' epanalhch exei ekdhlwqei to endiaferon toys na antimetwpistoyn tetoia fainomena, an yparxoyn. To endiaferon ayto einai eilikrines, dioti exoyme kai ta apotelesmata toy endiaferontos se diafores periptwseis, opoy h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs exei energhsei kata tropon acogo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh leei oti enexontai. Egw eimai aneyqynos;

REPPAS: Oydeis eipe oti h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, h hgesia ths Astynomias, enexetai se tetoies drasthriothtes. To lete eseis kai epanalambanw oti einai aneyqyno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Enexontai kai exoyn graftei kai onomata.

REPPAS: H politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me tetoia fainomena. Mhn to epanalambanete giati ektiqeste perissotero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ektiqemai kaqoloy egw.

REPPAS: Ma, eseis k. Stamatopoyle, exete bgalei porisma gia logoys toys opoioys...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exw bgalei porisma.

REPPAS: Oydeis eipe oti h politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs exei emplokh se tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Pws to lete me tetoia eykolia; Den antilambaneste oti ayto den einai prosfora qetikhs yphresias;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to lew egw. Grafetai shmera.

REPPAS: Ma, den to eipe dikastikos ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to Sabbato grafthke.

REPPAS: Den to eipe dikastikos. To gracate eseis h kapoios allos synadelfos sas. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti apotelei qesh ths ellhnikhs dikaiosynhs;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to egracan enas kai dyo, to egracan polloi.

REPPAS: Edw yparxei h arxh ths pleiochfias, loipon, kata th gnwmh sas kai symfwna m` aythn isxyei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Parte to "BHMA THS KYRIAKHS" na to diabasete, na deite...

REPPAS:... isxyei ayto poy eipan oi polloi. Kai to grafoyn oi efhmerides ths Kyriakhs. Kai epeidh to egracan oi efhmerides ths Kyriakhs, einai akribws etsi. Edw exete bgalei porisma apo tis efhmerides kai...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exw bgalei porisma egw.

REPPAS:... den xreiazetai na kanoyme peraiterw ereyna gia qemata poy qewroyn oi eisaggelikes arxes oti yparxoyn kai prepei na ta antimetwpisoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exw bgalei porisma...

REPPAS: Mh, biazeste, loipon, giati -epanalambanw- ektiqeste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ektiqemai egw, alloi exoyn ekteqei.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, oloi aytoi oi opoioi toso kairo kathgoroyn, sykofantwntas proswpa kai organa, ektiqentai xwris na exoyn apodeiktika stoixeia kai menoyn telikws ekteqeimenoi me tis kathgories. Einai ena fainomeno to opoio, thn teleytaia idiaiterws periodo, exei ginei poly synhqes sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras. H Kybernhsh antimetwpizei aytes tis kakothtes kai nomizw oti tis antimetwpizei epityxws. Mporeite eseis na moy peite ena paradeigma, apo ayta ta opoia enqymeisqe, an enqymeisqe kapoio, opoy kathgories poy exoyn diatypwqei, apodeixthke oti htan swstes;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me tis listes.

REPPAS: Ti apodeixthke k. Stamatopoyle se sxesh me tis listes;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den yphrxan; Den breqhkan oi listes;

REPPAS: Ti apodeixthke se sxesh me thn hgesia ths Astynomias k. Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den timwrhqhkan oi astynomikoi;

REPPAS: Se sxesh me thn hgesia ths Astynomias h thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, ti apodeixthke;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew etsi grafetai.

REPPAS: Malista. Egw qa elega -ayto poy grafetai, poy to grafete ki eseis- otan grafetai me tetoio epipolaio tropo gia toso sobara qemata, nomizw oti den einai timhtiko gia kanenan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den perimenete to porisma;

REPPAS: Gi' ayto mhn prosetairizeste thn kakopistia kapoioy mono kai mono gia na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis. Mhn to kanete ayto, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai eseis giati den perimenete to porisma kai bgazete apofash anti ths Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Kamia apofash den bgalame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bgalate. Lete oti den exoyn kamia sxesh.

REPPAS: Ma, eseis isxyristhkate oti exoyn sxesh. Kai sas eipa oti den to leei kaneis ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai eseis poy to jerete oti den exoyn;

REPPAS: Eseis, k. Stamatopoyle, gnwrizete poly kala, epeidh eiste empeiros dhmosiografos, oti otan kathgoreitai kapoios -kai mporei polloi na kathgoroyntai- den einai dynaton na qewrhqei oti einai enoxos, prin ayto apodeixqei me diafora stoixeia h prin apofanqei peri aytoy to armodio organo, dikastiko h allo. Mh biazeste, loipon. Antilambanomai thn anagkh poy exete na gemisete tis selides ths efhmeridas poy ergazeste ki eseis, alla mhn jepernoyme ena orio, giati ayto einai se baros kai ths dhmokratias, einai se baros kai ths ypoqeshs, yper ths opoias, ypotiqetai -etsi lete toylaxiston- oti agwnizeste.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei logoys h Kybernhsh na pisteyei h na ypociazetai oti oi energeies twn dyo eisaggelewn sxetizontai me kapoio tropo me to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs;

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh. Oi eisaggeleis kanoyn aperispastoi to ergo toys. Elpizoyme na oloklhrwsoyn, to syntomotero dynato, thn ereyna toys, wste oloi na gnwrizoyme pws exei to qema. Ayto to epiqymoyme. Qa bohqhsoyme ayth thn prospaqeia toys. Epiqymoyme, omws, na ejelissetai me enan tetoio tropo, wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai parenergeies. Mh stelnete ayta ta mhnymata, politikoy xarakthra mhnymata, ta opoia telikws dyskoleyoyn kai to diko toys ergo.

KIAOS: Ti shmainei "kosmios tropos";

REPPAS: Qelete na kanoyme pali prosfygh sth lejikografia;

KIAOS: Oxi, aploystata eseis xrhsimopoihsate ton oro kai sas erwtw...

REPPAS: Aytonohto einai ayto. Kai edw otan syzhtoyme, den prepei na xrhsimopoioyme enan kosmio tropo; Exete antirrhsh;

KIAOS: To ti exw egw, einai diko moy qema. Egw rwtw thn Kybernhsh di' ymwn...

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh epiqymei oles oi diadikasies poy aforoyn th synergasia diaforwn yphresiwn toy Kratoys h h synergasia metajy arxwn na ginetai me enan tetoio tropo, poy metajy twn allwn, qa diakrinetai kai gia thn kosmiothta h opoia prepei na epideiknyetai apo aytoys poy symmetexoyn se analoges diadikasies.

KIAOS: Pws metaferetai sthn prajh ayth h kosmiothta poy lete; Ti qa eprepe na exei ginei;

REPPAS: Apanthsan s' ayto oi Ypoyrgoi kai eipan oti qa mporoyse na exei enhmerwqei h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Allwste, ta dyo ypoyrgeia exoyn stenotath synergasia gia qemata ths kaqhmerinothtas, wste na mh doqei h dynatothta na anaptyxqoyn aytes oi entypwseis...

KIAOS: Gia poies lete;

REPPAS:... me thn kata koron xrhsimopoihsh ths lejhs "eisbolh", prokeimenoy na xarakthristei h prwtoboylia twn eisaggelewn.

KIAOS: Sta dyo Ypoyrgeia anafereste. Edw, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, exoyme toys eisaggeleis. Htan enhmero to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs gi' ayte s tis energeies twn eisaggelewn;

REPPAS: Den htan enhmero to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai den einai qema toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Einai qema ths anejarthths dikaiosynhs

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate ta dyo Ypoyrgeia...

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy oi Eisaggelikes Arxes eixan ekdwsei mia tetoia entolh, qa eprepe ta organa ta opoia anelaban na feroyn se peras ayth thn ereyna na prajoyn analogws.

KIAOS: Htan nomimos o tropos me ton opoion enhrghsan;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayto.

KIAOS: Kai kati allo: Ti caxnoyn sygkekrimena; Gnwrizei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, oi eisaggeleis exoyn mia entolh. Sto plaisio ayths ths entolhs enhrghsan analogws. Den qa syzhthsoyme epi ths oysias, giati den diafwnoyme me to dikaiwma kai th dynatothta poy exoyn na elegxoyn.

KIAOS: Poia einai h oysia, ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: Ta stoixeia ta opoia qeloyn, sto plaisio ths ereynas toys, na syllejoyn prokeimenoy na ekdwsoyn to teliko porisma toys, qa ta exoyn me th bohqeia kai twn armodiwn yphresiwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Ayto epiqymoyme. Na yparjei synergasia. Twra, ti einai ayto to opoio apotelei antikeimeno ths ereynas toys, einai qema poy afora toys idioys. Emeis exoyme empistosynh sta organa ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs. Afoy oloklhrwsoyn th meleth twn stoixeiwn ta opoia syllegoyn, qa anamenoyme me endiaferon thn telikh toys qesh.

KIAOS: To gnwrizei h Kybernhsh to antikeimeno;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayto.

KIAOS: Oxi, sas erwtw.

REPPAS: Ma, den einai dynato na gnwrizei h Kybernhsh, ti einai ayto to opoio h anejarthth Dikaiosynh qelei na ereynhsei. Qa ereynhsei h anejarthth Dikaiosynh me ton tropo poy ekeinh epilegei. O tropos aytos einai gnwstos, einai dokimasmenos. Metajy twn allwn perilambanei th synennohsh twn synarmodiwn yphresiwn, prokeimenoy ta stoixeia ta opoia einai aparaithta, na tiqentai sth diaqesh twn eisaggelikwn arxwn.

PARIS: H Ellhnikh Astynomia diaqetei mhxanismo eswterikoy elegxoy, gia to ti ginetai mesa stoys kolpoys ths; Giati h Ellada, ayto poy jerw einai, pws einai h monadikh xwra poy den diaqetei Grafeio Eswterikwn Ypoqesewn, opws legetai, se antiqesh me alles xwres ths E. E. Efoson oi astynomikoi kaloyntai na efarmosoyn to nomo, otan yparxoyn paratragoyda, sthn oysia yparxoyn kapoia "stegana", ektos an pane kapoioi eisaggeleis kai kanoyn kapoia "eisbolh", opws...

REPPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na sas qymisw oti, teleytaia, se nomosxedio poy apotelei hdh nomo toy Kratoys, chfisthke diatajh me eishghsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, basei ths opoias o elegxos twn astynomikwn poy exoyn probei se prajeis paranomes h prajeis oi opoies synistoyn peiqarxiko adikhma, qa elegxontai pleon, oxi mono apo organa ths Astynomias. Gnwrizete poly kala oti apofasisthke kai dikastikos leitoyrgos na epilambanetai twn qematwn aytwn. Gia prwth fora, loipon, sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai dikastika organa exoyn rolo kai armodiothta, prokeimenoy na elegxoyn aytoy toy eidoys tis parabaseis, an yparxoyn. Dhmioyrgeitai twra o Mhxanismos aytos sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia, wste na "spasoyn" ayta ta kata polloys yparxonta "stegana". Einai kati to opoio apodeiknyei, metajy twn allwn, ayto poy eipa sthn arxh: To endiaferon ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, prokeimenoy na mhn empodizetai h ereyna ekei opoy prepei na dienerghqei kai na apodidontai ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari.

MOYRTZHS: Qelw na moy peite eyqews ean h energeia twn Eisaggelewn synista katastrathghsh kapoioy nomoy, yperbash kaqhkontos h epedeijan yperballonta zhlo h telos pantwn paranomhsan.

REPPAS: Tipota apo ola ayta. Apanthsa se sxetika erwthmata. Nomizw oti to qema exei kleisei. Parakalw, ayto poy exei endiaferon, kai eseis exete logo na to parakoloyqhsete stena, einai toyto: Na oloklhrwqei h ereyna to syntomotero dynato, wste na gnwrisoyme pws akribws exei to qema. Polles ereynes exoyn arxisei, alla den exoyn oloklhrwqei. Elpizw na mhn ejantlhqei to endiaferon sas mono twra poy jekina ayth h ereyna, alla na parameinei ameiwto kai na einai to idio h kai entonotero, otan ekdoqei to teliko porisma, wste na plhroforhqei o ellhnikos laos an yparxei kai ti yparxei gyrw apo ayta ta fainomena, ta opoia me tosh megalh eykolia, qa moy epitrecete na pw, xrhsimopoioyn para polloi gia na dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis.

MOYRTZHS: H Kybernhsh kalyptei apolyta ta peri akomcoy tropoy poy eipe...

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi` ayta sthn arxh me sygkekrimenoys xarakthrismoys.

DELATOLAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse me ton k. Rwmaio gi` ayto to qema, epishs, an exete enhmerwsh ws Ypoyrgos Typoy apo ton k. Rwmaio, an oi fakeloi einai 17 h 21;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den epikoinwnhse me ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs gi' ayto to qema. Oi fakeloi einai osoi einai. Aytoys poy exoyn oi dyo Eisaggeleis, qa toys ereynhsoyn kai qa toys melethsoyn. Giati exei endiaferon an einai 17 h 21 h kai parapanw; Mhn mpoyme s` ayth thn ariqmhtikh dielkystinda.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, sth synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Pronti egine kapoia syzhthsh gia oplika systhmata; Deyteron, exoyme kati newtero gia thn episkech ths kas Olmprait sthn Ellada, ton Ioylio; Kai triton, an exei maqei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia ton antikatastath toy k. Xolmproyk.

REPPAS: Gia to prwto qema, prepei na pw oti den yphrje antikeimeno syzhthshs. Gia to deytero qema, mporw na pw oti h episkech ths kas Olmprait metatiqetai xronika gia ton Oktwbrio. To zhthse h idia. Gia to trito qema, den yparxei tipota newtero. Anakoinwqhke apo ton ekproswpo ths Kybernhshs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn oti den exoyn, pleon, ayth thn armodiothta o k. Xolmproyk kai o k. Miller. Apo thn allh o idios o k. Xolmproyk, apantwntas stis sxetikes erwthseis, eipe oti qa synexisei na parakoloyqei to Kypriako, gia to opoio to endiaferon toy paramenei ameiwto. Den exw kati allo ypoch moy.

PARIS: Oson afora th synanthsh toy k. Pronti me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eixame enhmerwqei kai apo tis armodies Yphresies, alla kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, oti den qa ginei kamia dhlwsh h synanthsh. An jerame oti qa doqei synenteyjh, qa eimaste sthn Kerkyra.

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth twn dyo politikwn htan sto plaisio idiwtikhs episkechs poy ekane sthn Ellada o k. Pronti. Den htan bebaio oti qa organwqei synenteyjh Typoy kai oti qa ginoyn dhlwseis. Mporoyse kapoios, poy eixe ena entono endiaferon gia to antikeimeno syzhthshs twn dyo andrwn, na einai parwn ekei, giati to endexomeno twn dhlwsewn einai pantote yparkto. Den mporei kaneis na to apokleisei. Alla, apo prin den mporoysan oi armodies Yphresies stis opoies anaferqhkate, na programmatisoyn synenteyjh Typoy kai na thn anakoinwsoyn. Ayto egine sthn poreia twn pragmatwn.

ARGYROS: H Kybernhsh symmerizetai thn apoch ths kas Basws Papandreoy, oti eginan laqh stoys kybernhtikoys xeirismoys toys teleytaioys mhnes;

REPPAS: Asfalws ginontai laqh kai qa janaginoyn laqh. Arkei na mh ginontai ta idia laqh. Pisteyw, oti kaqws perna o kairos, epeidh to ergo to opoio kanoyme apodidei karpoys qa ginetai kai apo toys polites orato, h Kybernhsh qa poreyetai me poly pio apotelesmatiko tropo.

Eyxaristw poly.

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