Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Ioynioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me antikeimeno qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Ekane dhlwseis gia th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Benizelos. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sthn arxh, prin syzhthsoyme to qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs, se mia kommatikh drasthriothta, sto plaisio ths opoias ypochfioi nomarxes poy yposthrizontai apo to PASOK h kai apo to PASOK, enhmerwqhkan gia thn ejelijh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys. Toys doqhke afenos h dynatothta na gnwrisoyn to eyros twn prwtoboyliwn poy exei analabei h Kybernhsh kai afeteroy diatypwsan kapoies skeceis gia to pws h kalyterh ajiopoihsh twn metrwn politikhs ths Kybernhshs mporei na symbalei sthn eklogikh epityxia toys. H syzhthsh ayth -opws antilambaneste- exei enan idiaitero xarakthra, giati ginetai se mia periodo kata thn opoia polla pragmata einai se ejelijh. O Prwqypoyrgos elpizei na exoyme oloi mia kalyterh epafh kai epikoinwnia me toys diaforoys nomoys ths xwras, prokeimenoy na symbaloyme, me thn idiothta poy exoyme ws stelexh toy PASOK sthn prospaqeia poy anaptyssoyn oi syndyasmoi enocei twn Dhmotikwn kai Nomarxiakwn eklogwn.

Prepei na pw, oson afora thn ypoqesh me to neo o opoios edarh apo melh, ws fainetai, ths fasistikhs organwshs "Xrysh Aygh" to ejhs: O Astynomikos o opoios briskotan sto katasthma, exei kanei kapoia anafora sth Genikh Astynomikh Dieyqynsh Aqhnwn h opoia exei diabibastei sthn 9h anakritria, poy exei analabei na diekperaiwsei to anakritiko ergo. Epanalambanw oti to endiaferon ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias einai entono, prokeimenoy na dialeykanqei h ypoqesh, to syntomotero dynato kai me ton kalytero tropo. Einai qema timhs gia thn Astynomia, opws eipe o synadelfos Ypoyrgos. Oi hmeromhnies oi opoies eixan teqei, htan asfyktikes, dedomenoy oti eprepe mexri thn 22a toy mhnos na paradoqei h dikografia ston armodio eisaggelea. Gi` ayto akribws, eipwqhke -kai kakws ermhneyetai etsi ayto to opoio eipwqhke- apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs oti to porisma ayto, katw apo ta piestika xronika oria, den synista oloklhrwsh toy ergoy to opoio epiqymoyse na kanei h Astynomia. Ayta ta anaferw, epeidh ginetai poly syzhthsh gia to qema kai blepw polla dhmosieymata na anaferontai s` ayta ta epeisodia. Epanalambanw -kai eimai kathgorhmatikos- oti to endiaferon mas einai na lamcei h alhqeia, na dialeykanqei h ypoqesh to syntomotero dynato. Kai na apodoqoyn oi eyqynes, opoy yparxoyn kai me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh amfibolia gia to poso h Ellhnikh Astynomia kai to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs epiqymoyn na apodwsoyn ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati epimenete na lete oti edarh apo melh ths "Xryshs Ayghs"; To epeisodio egine kai paroysia astynomikoy. Pws epimenete oti oi drastes entopizontai se mia sygkekrimenh organwsh; Epeidh ayto prosferetai gia na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis;

REPPAS: Oxi. Kaqe allo para prosferetai gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn ena symban poy ek twn pragmatwn einai qlibero, giati jylokophqhkan kapoioi sympolites mas kai malista me tetoio agrio kai anhleh tropo poy prokalei lyph se oloys mas. H Astynomia exei basimes ypocies, tis opoies stoixeioqetei se syndyasmo me alla peristatika poy elaban xwra ekeinh thn hmera, se ekeinon to xwro. H dikh h opoia egine ston idio xwro kai aforoyse melh ths organwshs ayths, h epiqesh kai o tropos me ton opoio ekdhlwqhke ayth h epiqesh enantion twn atyxwn aytwn newn, kaqws epishs kai alla stoixeia, exoyn odhghsei ta organa ths Astynomias na ektimoyn oti prepei ta melh ayths ths organwshs na einai oi ypaitioi aytwn twn epeisodiwn, ayths ths epiqeshs. Poly perissotero otan -opws sas eipa- oi astynomikes arxes prosanatolisthkan, prokeimenoy na toys entopisoyn kai na toys syllaboyn, alla den to katorqwnoyn, epeidh akribws krybontai. Kai krybontai epeidh akribws antilambanontai -einai ena logiko symperasma ayto- oti, epeidh exoyn eyqynes, qa klhqoyn na logodothsoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me basimes ypocies...

REPPAS: Eimai o prwtos poy eipa -kai to epanelaba polles fores- oti den prepei na bgazoyme teliko symperasma prin oloklhrwqei h ereyna. Einai kati omws to opoio mporei na ektimhqei. Me poly megalh eykolia kai adikws apodidontai eyqynes ekei poy den yparxoyn: sta organa ths Astynomias sthn prokeimenh periptwsh. Mporoyme na kanoyme - kai prepei bebaiws na eimaste pantote prosektikoi- aytes tis ektimhseis oi opoies exoyn logikh bash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy yphrxe astynomikos h paroysia toy opoioy apekrybh. Den prepei na exoyn kai alloi ypocies; Aytos poy edarh, den eprepe...

REPPAS: Den apekrybh h paroysia toy astynomikoy. H syzygos toy sthn kataqesh ths den to anefere. Den apekrybh me eyqynh ths Astynomias. Enas idiwths, h epixeirhmatias poy diaxeirizetai th leitoyrgia toy katasthmatos sthn kataqesh ths den anefere kati sxetiko. Gi` ayto akribws yphrje h amesh kai ameilikth apanthsh ths Astynomias poy eqese se diaqesimothta ton astynomiko, o opoios -eirhsqw en parodw- ekeinh thn wra htan ektos yphresias. Alla h Astynomia akomh ki an kapoios einai ektos yphresias, otan yparxei logos, apaitei apo toys andres ths, ta stelexh ths, na parembainoyn kai na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys, paizontas enan ypobohqhtiko, qetiko rolo. Ayto den egine kai gi` ayto akribws, teqhke se diaqesimothta o astynomikos eyqys amesws.

MOYRTZHS: Aytoi kaq` eaytoi oi epikefalhs ths organwshs Xrysh Aygh ejetazetai mhpws exoyn hqikh aytoyrgia sto epeisodio ayto;

REPPAS: An pragmatika htan prosxediasmena ayta ta epeisodia apo ena syllogiko mhxanismo, einai pros diereynhsh. H anakritria h opoia xeirizetai thn ypoqesh qa ta anazhthsei ola ayta, prokeimenoy na katalhjei se ena symperasma to opoio qa einai dikaio kai isobares.

PAPPA: Hqela na rwthsw, an yphrje kapoia kontra sth diarkeia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy metajy twn kyriwn Laliwth kai Benizeloy gia qemata armodiothtwn. Kai deyteron, an sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthqhkan qemata twn nomarxiakwn eklogwn se sxesh me thn praktikh poy akoloyqei o k. Tsobolas na yposthrizei se diafores perioxes "antartes" toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Tetoio qema den syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Den htan antikeimeno ths hmerhsias diatajhs kai oyte elabe to logo kapoios, prokeimenoy na anaptyjei apoceis kai idees gia to qema ayto. Mporw na pw -mia kai kata symptwsh mpainei ayth th stigmh sthn aiqoysa o k. Swkos- oti ekane ena sxolio gia to qema ayto, proxqes sthn efhmerida toy. Kai pragmati k. Swko, ayto to monosthlo sxolio, gia to sygkekrimeno ayto qema, ths yposthrijhs "antartwn" ypochfiwn apo ton k. Tsobola, htan poly eystoxo. Einai yposthrijh h opoia den arkei, kata ton k. Swko -kai symfwnw ki egw metajy twn pollwn poy mporw na pw- prokeimenoy kapoios na peisei ton ellhniko lao oti diaqetei politikh protash. Giati ek twn perisseymatwn den einai dynato na organwseis geyma. Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, exw th gnwmh oti h syzhthsh h opoia egine sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me kalh pisth kai diaqesh, metajy twn allwn eixe stoxo thn organwsh twn yphresiwn toy kratoys, prokeimenoy na ejyphreteitai o poliths, o opoios shmera talaipwreitai se megalo baqmo, logw ths diasporas twn diaforwn yphresiwn h logw antifatikwn apanthsewn apo tis armodies yphresies gia to idio qema. Kai logiko einai, epeidh aytos htan o stoxos ths syzhthshs, o kaqenas ek twn synadelfwn poy elabe to logo, na milhsei me idiaitero endiaferon gia ta qemata ths dikhs toy armodiothtas, sto baqmo poy enexetai sthn askhsh ayths ths koinhs armodiothtas gia thn prostasia ths politistikhs klhronomias. Oi dyo Ypoyrgoi, opws kai alloi, elaban to logo. To nomiko plaisio to opoio yparxei edw kai arketa xronia, qewreitai oti einai safes. Sebomaste thn yparxoysa isorropia. Stoxos mas einai na ginei pio leitoyrgikh, gia na dieykolynetai o poliths. Asfalws qemata ta opoia aforoyn th dieyqethsh ths askhshs kaqhkontwn poy logw synarmodiothtas mporei polles fores na odhgoyn se allhloepikalyceis, qa ejetasqoyn mesa apo synexh synergasia, poy yparxei kai qa synexistei kai tis epomenes hmeres mexri thn telikh diatypwsh toy keimenoy aytoy toy nomosxedioy. O prohgoymenos nomos o opoios isxyei gia thn prostasia ths politistikhs klhronomias chfisthke to 1932, epi E. Benizeloy. Antilambaneste oti meta apo toses dekaeties polla pragmata exoyn allajei kai oti h anaptyjh ths xwras mas kai oi alles koinwnikes kai oikonomikes ejelijeis epiballoyn na doyme kai pali ayta ta qemata, ta opoia exoyn apokthsei mia epikairothta. Na aposafhnisoyme th sxesh toy kratoys me toys legomenoys syllektes, na orioqethsoyme tis armodiothtes kratikwn yphresiwn. Na apokentrwsoyme drasthriothtes. Ayta einai ta qemata poy mas apasxolhsan metajy twn allwn kai pisteyw oti htan poly paragwgikh ayth h syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti egine, kyrie Ypoyrge; O k. Laliwths diamartyrhqhke giati o k. Benizelos ton yperkalyptei;

REPPAS: Den yphrje oyte kontra, oyte diamartyria. Diatypwqhkan apoceis. Ayto eipa prin, an den to eipa safws, toylaxiston to ypenohsa me ton idio tropo, wste na einai apolytws antilhpto apo oloys sas. Kaqe Ypoyrgos eipa, milwntas gia to koinoy endiaferontos qema, milhse ypo to prisma twn dikwn toy armodiothtwn. O k. Laliwths milhse oson afora thn prostasia toy periballontos, o k. Benizelos milhse gia thn prostasia ths politistikhs klhronomias, h ka Papandreoy gia thn prowqhsh ths anaptyjhs, h ka Papazwh kai o k. Petsalnikos gia thn prostasia twn oikismwn poy perilambanontai sta dioikhtika oria ta opoia epopteyontai apo ta Ypoyrgeia sta opoia proistantai, o k. Mpenos o opoios ws prokatoxos toy k. Benizeloy ekane mia poly shmantikh proergasia kai ayto anagnwristhke. Sygkentrwse dhladh ena ploysio yliko to opoio xrhsimopoieitai gia na ekponhqei ayto to nomosxedio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete gia mia epistolh toy Amerikanoy presbh k. Mperns pros to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Exw plhroforhqei sxetika, alla den exw ginei egw apodekths tetoias epistolhs. Exoyme allhlografia me ton k. Mperns gia to qema to opoio mas apasxolei kai afora thn prostasia twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn. Exoyme milhsei, kat` epanalhch, gia thn katalhsteysh twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn paragwgwn, dhmioyrgwn optikoakoystikwn ergwn apo tis Hnwmenes Politeies, ta opoia paroysiazontai edw apo emporikoys staqmoys, thleoptikoys idiws, alla kai radiofwnikoys otan miloyme gia moysika erga, xwris na kataballontai ta pneymatika dikaiwmata ta opoia analogoyn, stoys dhmioyrgoys twn ergwn aytwn. Einai ena qema to opoio to antimetwpizoyme me poly kalo pneyma synergasias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me poia idiothta o k. Mperns zhta na doqoyn oi adeies mesa sto kalokairi;

REPPAS: O k. Mperns einai ekproswpos mias Kybernhshs kai ekfrazei tis apoceis toy gia ena qema to opoio afora thn Kybernhsh toy. H Politeia mas exei diarqrwmenes yphresies, kaqe mia apo tis opoies exei sygkekrimenh armodiothta kai rolo. Kai sto plaisio ayto antimetwpizoyme to qema ths prostasias twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn. Eimaste se mia para poly kalh synergasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Mperns leei "na doqoyn mesa sto kalokairi oi adeies". Diatazei to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: Den diatazei o k. Mperns. An pragmati -epeidh den exw ginei apodekths ths epistolhs, den thn exw diabasei- to periexomeno ths epistolhs, to opoio dhmosieyetai einai kai to pragmatiko, mporw na pw oti o k. Mperns epanalambanei ena aithma poy exei qesei h Kybernhsh toy edw kai para poly kairo na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies gia na katoxyrwqei h prostasia twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn. Einai ena qema arketa palaio. Prepei na sas pw oti to qema ayto talaipwrei tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis. Anagnwrizetai apo ton k. Mperns -o opoios ekproswpei thn Kybernhsh kai idiaiterws toys paragwgoys, toys sympatriwtes toy twn ergwn aytwn- oti exoyme epitelesei poly shmantikh proodo, thn teleytaia periodo. Prepei na sas pw oti gia prwth fora arxisame na antimetwpizoyme ayto to qema to 1996. Mesa se ena kai pleon xrono, exoyme kanei poly shmantikh proodo. Ayth anagnwrizetai. Kai h oloklhrwsh ths paraxwrhshs twn adeiwn se radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys, qa paijei ena para poly shmantiko rolo, wste na diasfalisoyme thn prostasia twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn. Ayto to aithma epanalambanei o k. Mperns. Zhtaei -an pragmati antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia, ayto to opoio dhmosieyetai- na doqei, to syntomotero dynato, telos s` ayth th diadikasia poy einai se ejelijh. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh. Den yparxei kapoios o opoios qelei na kaqysterhsei ayth h diadikasia. Oydeis epiqymei thn kwlysiergia kai th synthrhsh aytoy toy qematos.

MIXAHL: To ojymwro s` ayth thn istoria einai to ejhs: Oti o k. Mperns einai ekproswpos ths amerikanikhs Kybernhshs sthn Ellada kai synepws, ta symferonta twn politwn ths dikhs toy xwras qelei na ta katoxyrwsei. To zhthma einai oti me ton tropo ayto, dhladh, me to na doqoyn oi adeies kai to pote qa ekxwrhqoyn, oloi prostateyontai. Ayto, omws, den to krinei o k. Mperns. To krinete eseis ws Kybernhsh. Ayth einai h enstash poy diatypwnetai.

REPPAS: Eipa oti einai ena shmantiko bhma, prokeimenoy na katoxyrwsoyme kai ta pneymatika dikaiwmata, h paraxwrhsh twn adeiwn se radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys. H kata to syntomotero dynato oloklhrwsh ayths ths diadikasias, apotelei kai dikh mas epilogh kai epiqymia. Ginetai gia prwth fora sthn patrida mas kai pisteyw oti qa exoyme poly kala apotelesmata. O k. Mperns, opws kai alloi paragontes h foreis, stelnei epistoles se yphresies toy Kratoys h se kratikes Arxes gia diafora qemata, ta opoia aforoyn thn Kybernhsh toy h sympolites toy. Ayto einai kati to opoio mporei na pei kapoios oti einai qemito. Den prospaqei na epibalei th qelhsh toy se opoiondhpote. Gia to qema, omws, ayto prepei na sas pw oti exoyn ginei parastaseis apo thn amerikanikh Kybernhsh se ola ta epipeda. Mexri kai se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai ena qema to opoio prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Ws xwra, eimaste arketa ekteqeimenoi, qa elega, epeidh den asxolhqhkame ta prohgoymena xronia systhmatika me ton tomea ayto. Kai epiteloys, qa prepei na baloyme mia tajh. Jekinhsame ayth thn prospaqeia thn teleytaia periodo. Pisteyw oti syntoma qa oloklhrwqei h prospaqeia mas ayth kai oloi qa einai ikanopoihmenoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn steilei kai alloi presbeytes epistoles;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw -kai den gnwrizw ti ginetai sta alla Ypoyrgeia- oti, toylaxiston kaqoson me afora, presbeis jenwn xwrwn, otan me episkeptontai, metajy twn allwn, mporei na qesoyn kai to qema fer` eipein ths ekpomphs twn programmatwn enos thleoptikoy staqmoy poy afora th xwra toys, sthn patrida mas kai na zhtoyn tis analoges dieykolynseis. Ayto den shmainei parembash sta eswterika ths xwras. Ayto synista mia diatypwsh enos aithmatos kai h ellhnikh Kybernhsh kaleitai na ejetasei to endexomeno na ikanopoihsei kaqe ena apo ayta ta aithmata. Etsi anaptyssontai oi sxeseis metajy twn xwrwn. Yparxei ayth h epikoinwnia kai synergasia.

MIXAHL: Mhpws, loipon, eseis poy caxnete na breite tropoys gia na antimetwpisete ayto to qema...

REPPAS: Toys exoyme brei. Einai se ejelijh h diadikasia ayth. Den caxnoyme twra.

MIXAHL: Afoy einai se ejelijh, loipon, mhpws mporeite na moy peite ean qa endiaferqeite ws Kybernhsh gia to poy kai pws diaxeirizontai ta pososta twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn; Mhpws, loipon, qa cajete na breite ws Kybernhsh, ta eisprattomena pneymatika dikaiwmata poy phgainoyn kai pws diaxeirizontai;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn oi syllogikoi foreis diaxeirishs twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, einai nomika proswpa. Yparxoyn epishs kai idiwtikoi foreis oi opoioi exoyn analabei ayto to ergo se synergasia p. x. me thn Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn h toys paragwgoys ths megalhs ayths xwras. Oi armodies ellhnikes Yphresies, to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, to Ypoyrgeio Typoy gia ta radiothleoptika exoyme thn prepoysa synergasia. Opoios elegxos prepei na ginei gia to an apodidonta ta posa ta opoia ofeilontai, ginetai. An exoyme diaprajh poinikwn adikhmatwn, ta adikhmata ayta antimetwpizontai apo ta ellhnikh dikasthria. Prepei na sas pw, sto plaisio aytoy toy programmatos, afoy qelete na kanoyme mia pio analytikh syzhthsh, oti edw kai peripoy ena xrono, to qema ths prostasias twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, didasketai sth Sxolh Dikastwn. Exoyme dhmioyrghsei se megala Efeteia ths xwras, eidika tmhmata ta opoia antimetwpizoyn tis ypoqeseis klophs pneymatikhs idiokthsias, prokeimenoy na mh limnazoyn oi ypoqeseis aytes. Exoyme kanei poly shmantika bhmata ston tomea ayton. Yparxei, pantws, qema gia ta pneymatika dikaiwmata sthn Ellada. Nomizw, omws, oti eimaste se kalh poreia.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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