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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Maioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Syzhthsame to ena qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs. Logw pareleyshs toy xronoy den htan dynato na syzhthsoyme kai to deytero qema, poy afora ton eksygxronismo ths nomoqesias gia thn prostasia ths politistikhs klhronomias.

* Prin apo th synedriash o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferomenos sta qemata ths sygkyrias ekane mia genikh politikh epishmansh, ena geniko sxoliasmo. Eipe sygkekrimena oti o ellhnikos laos, sth syntriptikh pleiochfia toy, apaitei apo thn Kybernhsh na odhghsei th xwra, ta epomena xronia, se mia isotimh sxesh me tis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Ayth einai h entolh poy exoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, gi` ayto o eksygxronismos ths koinwnias kai ths oikonomias mas prepei na oloklhrwqei xwris talanteyseis kai ypoxwrhseis. Gnwrizoyme oti dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Antilambanomaste tis anagkes poy exei sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toy o poliths, o agroths, o syntajioyxos, o mikromesaios, alla den einai dynaton, enocei toy politikoy kostoys, to opoio kai anamenomeno einai h otan dhmioyrgeitai einai, pantws, proskairo, na ypoxwrhsei h Kybernhsh stis megales epiloges poy exei kanei, afoy oi epiloges aytes apoteloyn to kleidi, prokeimenoy h Ellada na enisxysei th qesh ths, s? ayto to dieqnes antagwnistiko periballon. Oi gennaies politikes, oi ypeyqynes politikes tis opoies akoloyqei h Kybernhsh apoteloyn th monh lysh. Den exoyn diatypwqei enallaktikes protaseis, pera apo ta synqhmata h ta syntagologia toy parelqontos. Den akoygetai ypeyqynos politikos logos. Den diatypwnetai allh protash gia to pws h Ellada qa entaxqei me ajiwseis s? ayto to apaithtiko kai proklhtiko alla kai gohteytiko dieqnes periballon.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise, akomh, oti exoyme ypoxrewsh, na efarmozoyme aytoys toys neoys tropoys organwshs ths koinwnias kai ths oikonomias mas, gia na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Dyo htan ta montela diakybernhshs poy eixame na epilejoyme: To ena einai to diaxeiristiko montelo, to allo einai to metarryqmistiko. Epilejame to metarryqmistiko montelo, gnwrizontas tis dyskolies poy exei to egxeirhma, epeidh akribws pisteyoyme oti prepei na proxwrhsoyme mprosta apofasistika, anoigontas nees prooptikes gia ton topo kai to lao mas. An den epilegame ayth thn politikh twn metarryqmistikwn allagwn, twn diarqrwtikwn tomwn, an mename sth diaxeirish toy xronoy kai toy tipota, an mename proskollhmenoi, dhladh, stis syntages toy parelqontos, to bebaio einai oti qa odhgoysame thn Ellada sto na katastei mia xwra sth gwnia twn Balkaniwn, sto periqwrio ths Eyrwphs. Emeis den prokeitai na ypoqhkeysoyme to ayrio ths xwras kai toy laoy mas, ths neas genias ths patridas mas, enocei twn dyskoliwn poy antimetwpizoyme shmera kata thn askhsh ths politikhs mas, giati pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos poy antilambanetai th dyskolia aytoy toy egxeirhmatos, ensternizetai thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme kai symparasteketai sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths. Kai to ergo ayto qa oloklhrwqei, to 2000, kaqws qa kleinei h 4eths qhteia, poy mas empisteyqhke o ellhnikos laos me thn chfo toy.

Aytos einai o orizontas toy ergoy mas. Peran twn oswn exoyme epityxei mexri shmera, tote, thn wra ths krishs, pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos qa exei plhres, pleon, to ergo mas, wste na to krinei, na to ajiologhsei kai na mas empisteyqei kai pali gia mia nea qhteia. Qa doylecoyme, loipon, sklhra kai atalanteyta, koitwntas to ayrio, apofeygontas, mesw ypoxwrhsewn, talanteysewn h isorropiwn, na fanoyme arestoi sto shmera. Diaforetika qa yponomeyame thn prooptikh ths xwras kai thn eyhmeria toy laoy mas.

Ayto einai to sxolio poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos se genikes grammes. Apedwsa to nohma, afoy qa to exete, allwste, sth diaqesh sas.

* To qema poy apasxolhse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio afora thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish sto xwro ths texnikhs kai epaggelmatikhs ekpaideyshs. Exoyn kanei dhlwseis o Ypoyrgos kai o Yfypoyrgos Paideias, qa enhmerwsoyn toys ekpaideytikoys syntaktes. Egw qa arkestw se ena poly geniko plaisio kai qa pw oti h prospaqeia ayth gia th Deyterobaqmia Texnikoepaggelmatikh Ekpaideysh einai sth kateyqynsh syndeshs ths ekpaideyshs me thn paragwgh kai tis anagkes ths agoras ergasias. Oi allages tis opoies prowqoyme bohqoyn toys maqhtes na apokthsoyn epaggelmatikes gnwseis kai dejiothtes aparaithtes prokeimenoy na ypobohqhqoyn sthn anazhthsh toy epaggelmatikoy prosanatolismoy toys.

Exoyme pei oti qa yparxoyn dyo typoi Lykeiwn. Qa yparxoyn to Eniaio Lykeio kai ta Texnika Epaggelmatika Ekpaideythria sth deyterobaqmia metaypoxrewtikh ekpaideysh, dhladh sth lykeiakh ekpaideysh. Apo ta Eniaia Lykeia exoyme prosbash pros ta AEI kai ta TEI. Einai monodromos h epilogh twn apofoitwn twn Eniaiwn Lykeiwn. Apo ta Texnika kai Epaggelmatika Ekpaideythria oi dynatothtes poy parexontai einai polles gia toys maqhtes toys. Ta Ekpaideythria ayta xwrizontai se dyo kykloys. O prwtos kyklos oloklhrwnetai se dyo eth spoydwn. O tritos xronos afora to deytero kyklo spoydwn.

Prepei na sas pw oti oi ryqmiseis aytes dinoyn mia poly megalyterh wqhsh sthn texnikh kai epaggelmatikh ekpaideysh, h opoia, dystyxws, einai apajiwmenh sthn patrida mas. Pisteyoyme oti h yparxoysa ypodomh, me thn enisxysh thn opoia qa prosferoyme, qa bohqhsei, wste h ekpaideysh ayth na anadeixqei se shmantiko paragonta gia thn trofodothsh twn anagkwn poy exei h agora ergasias sto dhmosio, alla kai sto idiwtiko -idiaitera- tomea, sthn patrida mas. To nomosxedio ayto qa katateqei entos toy Ioynioy, pisteyoyme oti h chfish toy qa ginei mesa ston Ioylio. H efarmogh toy nomoy jekina, pleon, apo th nea ekpaideytikh periodo ton Oktwbrio.

* Th Deytera 1h Ioynioy, stis 10 to prwi, qa ginei koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias. Qa syzhthqoyn oi trexoyses politikes ejelijeis.

Ayta apo thn pleyra moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelw na mas peite pote xronika antallaxqhkan oi rhmatikes diakoinwseis metajy ellhnikoy kai amerikanikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gia thn ananewsh ths symfwnias paramonhs twn Basewn sth xwra mas.

REPPAS: H symfwnia ayth gia tis Baseis sth xwra mas egine to 1990. Einai 8etoys diarkeias. Lhgei ton erxomeno Noembrio. Exoyn th dynatothta oi dyo pleyres na syzhthsoyn eji mhnes -kai pleon- prin th lhjh ths symfwnias ayths, gia to endexomeno ananewshs ths symfwnias. Ayto egine kai h symfwnia problepei thn ananewsh ths paroysias twn Basewn sthn Ellada gia enan akomh xrono. Oi ananewseis, opws problepotan eyqys ej arxhs, exoyn ethsia diarkeia. Ayto egine ton prohgoymeno Febroyario kai exoyn ypografei ta sxetika eggrafa, prokeimenoy na ananewqei h symfwnia mexri tis 6/11/1999.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stis epafes poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos ayto to diasthma, apo to Febroyario kai meta, me toys politikoys arxhgoys h oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Amynas me politika stelexh allwn kommatwn, enhmerwsan gi ayth thn kinhsh;

REPPAS: H kinhsh ayth, opws problepotan apo thn arxikh symfwnia, apotelei epilogh ths Kybernhshs. H Kybernhsh proxwrhse -diasfalizontas kata ton kalytero tropo to eqniko symferon- sthn ananewsh gia ena xrono ayths ths symfwnias, me bash ta osa problepontan sthn arxikh symfwnia, me bash tis syzhthseis oi opoies eginan metajy twn ekproswpwn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs me toys antistoixoys ekproswpoys ths Kybernhshs twn HPA, poy exoyn sxetikh armodiothta.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati den qewrhse xrhsimo h Kybernhsh na enhmerwsei ton ypoloipo politiko kosmo, alla kai ton ellhniko lao;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh einai pantote sth diaqesh twn politikwn arxhgwn, gia na toys enhmerwsei se qemata, ta opoia exoyn ena idiaitero endiaferon. Kata thn askhsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs lambanontai tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Allwste, einai aytonohto -o kaqenas qa to perimene kai prepei na eimaste eilikrineis se ayto to shmeio- na proxwrhsoyme sthn ananewsh ayths th symfwnias toy 1990, poly perissotero poy h nea ayth symfwnia, exei diarkeia enos etoys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, eipate na apeyqynqoyme sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs gia to qema me ton kinhmatografisth ths Asfaleias sth Boylh. Apeyqynqhkame kai h epishmh apanthsh poy phrame einai oti, edw kai arketo kairo h Astynomia binteoskopei astynomikes epixeirhseis. To erwthma moy einai poio dhmokratiko agaqo diasfalizetai dia ths binteoskophshs twn diadhlwtwn;

REPPAS: H Astynomia krinei, profanws, oti prepei na apotypwnei, na apaqanatizei tis epixeirhseis aytes, metajy twn allwn kai gia logoys ekpaideytikoys h gia logoys anagkhs yparjhs peisthriwn, otan qelei na elegjei th symperifora twn astynomikwn sto plaisio tetoiwn epixeirhsewn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Otan lete &quot;ekpaideytikoys&quot; mporeite na dieykrinisete ti ennoeite;

REPPAS: Kai o tropos, me ton opoio oi astynomikoi xeirizontai ta qemata poy toys exoyn anateqei, prepei na apotelei antikeimeno meleths twn organwn ths Astynomias. Qa prepei na ejagontai symperasmata. Kai nomizw oti aythn thn epilogh ths ELAS, katw apo orismenes peristaseis, mporei kapoios na th qewrhsei logikh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Akoyw sta radiofwna -gia na eimai sygkekrimenos- oti sto plaisio toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o k. Giannopoylos, eqese qema nomimothtas twn kinhtopoihsewn poy ginontai to teleytaio diasthma kai zhthse thn thrhsh ths arxhs ths nomimothtas kai ap? o,ti metadidetai me ayto symfwnhse kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Qelw na rwthsw an, kat? arxhn, einai etsi ta pragmata kai deyteron, an einai etsi poy egkeitai h parabiash ths nomimothtas aytwn twn laikwn kinhtopoihsewn;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos, sto plaisio ayths ths mikrhs eisagwgikhs syzhthshs, ekane pragmati ena sxolio kai eipe oti toso oi Eisaggelikes Arxes, oso kai ta organa ths Astynomias, edrasan kata apolyta nomimo tropo. Den dikaiologeitai ayth h antidrash h opoia exei ekdhlwqei se baros twn epixeirhsewn twn organwn toy kratoys. Antiqetws, o tropos me ton opoio askoyn to dikaiwma ths apergias oi ergazomenoi ths Ionikhs Trapezas einai kataxrhstikos kai den einai nomimos, doqentos oti ena Idryma qa prepei na exei th dynatothta na leitoyrgei kai efoson ena meros toylaxiston twn ergazomenwn toy Idrymatos aytoy epiqymei na ergastei, den prepei na empodizetai. Ayto htan to sxolio poy egine, to opoio, bebaiws, to qewrw -epishs kai ayto- poly logiko.

KIAOS: Ektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton k. Giannopoylo, poy eipate oti milhsan, poioi alloi milhsan kai ti eipan epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos;

REPPAS: Sth mikrh ayth eisagwgikh epishmansh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ekane th sxetikh parathrhsh o k. Giannopoylos. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti gia ta qemata ayta qa ginei syzhthsh kai sta kommatika organa. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, epishs, ekane mia parathrhsh, legontas pws, pragmati, prepei na ginei mia syzhthsh gia ola ayta ta qemata. Gia to pws, dhladh, efarmozetai ena plaisio politikhs, to opoio apo koinoy exoyme apofasisei kai sto opoio eimaste oloi symfwnoi. Kaqws epishs kai oti qa eprepe na syzhthsoyme thn efarmogh toy, wste na einai h kalyterh dynath.

KIAOS: Alloi Ypoyrgoi den milhsan;

REPPAS: Ej oswn qymoymai, oxi.

KIAOS: An egine syzhthsh kai epi twn eswkybernhtikwn, eswkommatikwn qematwn kai twn antidrasewn poy yparxoyn mesa apo to xwro ton kybernhtiko kai toy PASOK stis politikes epiloges ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Den egine kamia syzhthsh gi` ayto to qema.

KIAOS: Sto prohgoymeno qema poy eqese o k. Mpogiopoylos kai poy apanthsate, qa hqela na rwthsw an einai en gnwsei toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews h kinhmatografhsh ayth poy ginetai;

REPPAS: Opws eipate ki eseis apanthsa prin. Den dianooymai oti einai dynato na mhn gnwrizei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs ayth th qesh thn opoia exei ekfrasei o Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Asfalws, einai se gnwsh toy. Einai aytonohto ayto.

KIAOS: Opws xqes h synadelfos mas metefere thn kataggelia synadelfoy eikonolhptoy, o kyrios me ta politika poy kinhmatografoyse kai apedeixqh, opws fainetai, oti einai ths Asfaleias, sarwne toys diadhlwtes. Pws &quot;pantreyetai&quot; h sygkekrimenh doyleia poy ekane o kyrios me ta politika, me ayto poy lete eseis gia ekpaideytikoys logoys, gia toys astynomikoys poy kanoyn th doyleia toys.

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati to opoio isxyrizeste eseis. Mporei na isxyristei o opoiosdhpote oti o sygkekrimenos eikonolhpths den ekane ayto akribws, alla kati allo. Egw sas eipa poios einai o logos gia ton opoio h Ellhnikh Astynomia qewrei xrhsimh mia tetoia leitoyrgia. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, o kaqenas exei tis apoceis toy.

KIAOS: Sthn prwinh epixeirhsh twn MAT, sthn Ionikh Peiraiws, sto Mhxanografiko kentro, poios edwse thn entolh kai poios to zhthse apo thn Kybernhsh na ginei ayth h epixeirhsh;

REPPAS: H Dioikhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas zhthse, xqes, tis esperines wres, th bohqeia twn astynomikwn dynamewn, prokeimenoy na apeleyqerwqei xwros, wste na eiselqoyn sto Mhxanografiko kentro stelexh ths Trapezas gia na ergastoyn. Einai aparadekto stelexos ths Trapezas, ypallhlos ths Trapezas, o opoios epiqymei na ergastei, na empodizetai na proselqei ston topo, opoy mporei na analabei ergasia kai na askhsei ta kaqhkonta toy. Ayto akribws to agaqo perifroyrhse h paroysia twn astynomikwn dynamewn. Kai nomizw oti einai adikaiologhta ta opoia epeisodia, ta mikrhs estw ektashs, ta opoia ejelixqhkan ekei, kaqws kapoioi prospaqhsan na empodisoyn ayta ta stelexh na proselqoyn gia na analaboyn ergasia.

KIAOS: An symfwnhsan oloi oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi me to aithma ths Dioikhsews ths Trapezhs na kalesei ta MAT.

REPPAS: Oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi symfwnhsan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi astynomikoi ekpaideyontai, xtypwntas toys polites;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na pw kai epishmws kati to opoio sxoliasa xqes. Eimaste martyres tis teleytaies hmeres enos prwtofanoys fainomenoy, mias poly prwtotyphs eikonas: Na yparxoyn diadhlwtes-apergoi, oi opoioi epitiqentai se astynomikoys, epeidh den toys epitrepoyn na eiselqoyn sth Boylh kai na katalaboyn to xwro ths. Na eiselqoyn sthn astynomikh dieyqynsh kai na katalaboyn to xwro ths. Na eiselqoyn sta grafeia enos politikoy kommatos kai na katalaboyn toys xwroys, opoy exei ta grafeia toy. Kai taytoxrona oi diadhlwtes oi opoioi epitiqentai stoys astynomikoys, fwnazoyn &quot;h tromokratia den qa perasei&quot;. Oi astynomikoi, loipon, oi opoioi briskontai se mia qesh oionei amynas kai exoyn entolh na perifroyrhsoyn ena xwro, dexomenoi epiqesh akoyn kai to synqhma &quot;h tromokratia den qa perasei&quot;. Ayta einai pragmata ta opoia prokaloyn mia entypwsh. Qa elega oti epeidh aforoyn mia poly shmantikh ypoqesh, th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn sthn patrida mas, gi` ayto to logo kai mono den prokaloyn kai gelio. Qa prepei, omws, na mas problhmatisoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo rwthsa: ekpaideyontai, jylokopwntas polites; Ayth einai h ekpaideysh toys;

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me poioy entolh agorasthke mia etaireia toy Mamidakh, poy htan se ptwxeysh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ayto to qema. Apo poion agorasthke;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Agorasthke apo th DEP, h etaireia toy Mamidakh, poy eixe sxedon ptwxeysei kai poylietai h Ionikh poy einai kerdoforos. Me poio skeptiko egine to ena kai to allo;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs, exw milhsei kat` epanalhch. Eipame oti to trapeziko systhma, metajy twn allwn, xarakthrizetai apo enan entonotato antagwnismo. To kostos leitoyrgias twn ellhnikwn trapezwn einai para poly chlo. Einai para poly dyskolo na epibiwsoyn sto antagwnistiko ayto periballon to opoio dhmioyrgeitai. Gi` ayto proxwrhsame s` ayth thn epilogh, pairnontas ypoch, metajy twn allwn, kai to koinwniko megeqos poy afora sth diasfalish toy kaqestwtos ergasias twn ypallhlwn ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Oson afora to allo qema, den gnwrizw leptomereies. Anafereste s` ena qema poly eidiko. Parakalw sto plaisio toy endiaferontos sas, apeyqynqeite se kapoioys Organismoys, oi opoioi pairnoyn apofaseis, kante ena reportaz, wste na exete kapoia stoixeia ypoch sas, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyme to politiko qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Erhmhn ths Kybernhshs egine;

REPPAS: Oi Organismoi exoyn dioikhseis. Kai oi dioikhseis exoyn th dynatothta na pairnoyn apofaseis. Asfalws, oi krisimhs shmasias kai strathgikoy xarakthra apofaseis twn dioikhsewn twn Organismwn, ginontai meta apo synennohsh kai egkrish toy epopteyontos Ypoyrgoy. Einai, omws, allo ayto to qema kai allo to qema to opoio qetete eseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw qetw qema apokratikopoihsewn. Eseis kanete apokratikopoihseis kai pate kai agorazete mia etaireia me 14 dis, h opoia exei 13 dis xreh. Dhladh, synolika 27 dis. Kai ayto se epoxh ypotiqetai litothtas -oxi gia oloys- kai se epoxh poy h Kybernhsh bazei foroys kai poylaei kerdofores epixeirhseis. Giati egine ayto, mporeite na moy peite ek meroys ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Mia kai milhsate gia ola ayta kai eiste antiqetos stis apokratikopoihseis, emeis proxwroyme se metoxopoihseis h apokratikopoihseis Organismwn poy mexri shmera anhkan sto Dhmosio, epeidh pisteyoyme oti etsi toys ejygiainoyme. Ejasfalizoyme poroys gia ton eksygxronismo kai thn anadiorganwsh toys, pragma to opoio einai idiaiterws aparaithto ayth thn periodo. Den exoyme thn apoch poy exei h Nea Dhmokratia oti prepei na proxwrhsoyme se apokratikopoihseis me enan tropo, o opoios xwris programmatismo kai sxediasmo odhgei sthn apwleia twn qesewn ergasias, poy shmera yparxoyn. Kai ayto -epanalambanw- apotelei gia mas enan paragonta poy kaqorizei tis epiloges mas. Den symfwnoyme, epishs, me thn katarghsh twn forwn, idiws, oson afora th Megalh Akinhth Perioysia, ton opoio epaggelletai o k. Karamanlhs, giati emeis pisteyoyme oti h Megalh Akinhth Perioysia prepei na forologeitai. Xairomaste otan akoyme kapoioys na mas kathgoroyn oti epiballoyme tetoioys foroys sth Megalh Akinhth Perioysia h sta apoqematika twn texnikwn etaireiwn h stis synallages twn Trapezwn h stis synallages sto plaisio toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Aytes oles oi forologikes epibarynseis stis opoies exoyme proxwrhsei, einai epibarynseis poy aforoyn toys exontes kai toys katexontes kai proxwrhsame, epeidh akribws, metajy olwn twn allwn, o ideologikos xarakthras ths politikhs mas einai isxyros. Eseis den exete ayth thn apoch. O k. Karamanlhs exei mia allh apoch, den qelei na forologeitai h Megalh Akinhth Perioysia. Qelei apokratikopoihseis xwris eleos gia toys ergazomenoys. Edw blepoyme mia diafora. As krinei o ellhnikos laos poia einai h politikh h opoia antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths oikonomias ths xwras kai ta dika toy kai as bgalei thn apofash toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh prokeitai na agorasei kai alles yperxrewmenes etaireies;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh feretai me enan tetoio tropo pros toys ergazomenoys, wste na exei katorqwsei to akatorqwto se eyrwpaiko, pleon, epipedo. Kai h anergia na einai se epipedo apolyta elegxomeno sth xwra mas -deite ti egine sthn Ispania, sthn Irlandia kai se alles xwres- alla taytoxrona kai ta oikonomika megeqh na beltiwnontai me tropo qeamatiko. Otan to dhmosio xreos periorizetai, otan ta elleimmata toy Dhmosioy briskontai sto epipedo ekeino poy den mporoyse na fantastei, liga xronia prin, o ellhnas katanalwths-poliths. Ayto den einai martyras mias apotelesmatikhs prospaqeias poy exei kanei h Kybernhsh mas; Eseis lete gia epiloges oi opoies epibarynoyn to Dhmosio, epeidh akribws oi epixeirhseis tis opoies agorazei, opws isxyrizeste, einai yperxrewmenes. Yparxoyn, omws, stoixeia ta opoia sas diaceydoyn. Kai ta stoixeia ayta martyroyn oti kai to dhmosio xreos, alla kai ta elleimmata toy dhmosioy apoklimakwnontai, peftoyn se epipeda ta opoia einai prwtofanh gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Ayto deixnei oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai ejygiantikh politikh gia to dhmosio, gia thn oikonomia ths xwras kai den einai mia politikh epibarynsewn, opws qelete na thn paroysiazete eseis.

PAPPA: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos sthn eisagwgikh toy eishghsh anaferqhke me aformh thn Ionikh sto trapeziko systhma kai poia einai ta sxedia toy;

REPPAS: Oson afora to trapeziko systhma eipe oti qa proxwrhsoyme sthn efarmogh twn ejaggeliwn mas. Ekane, pragmati, mia mneia toy gegonotos oti to trapeziko systhma leitoyrgei me oroys entonoy antagwnismoy kai ypogrammise oti oi ellhnikes trapezes poy exoyn ychlo kostos leitoyrgias, qa prepei na proetoimastoyn prokeimenoy oxi apla na epibiwsoyn, alla na exoyn ena megalo meridio sthn trapezikh agora, ayrio. Gi` ayto proxwroyme se aytes tis tomes.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, tis teleytaies hmeres, exoyme apo th mia, mia erwthsh 13 boyleytwn toy PASOK gia ena sygkekrimeno qema pros thn Kybernhsh antikommatiko, kapoioys alloys boyleytes symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata poy sthrizoyn thn Kybernhsh na diamartyrontai kai na lene &quot;proxwrhste, mhn kanete pisw&quot;, na ekfrazoyn mia agwnia gia to ergo ths. Epwnyma stelexh toy PASOK na ekfrazoyn antikroyomenes h apo diaforetikes optikes gwnies apoceis gia to idio qema. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai ws melos ths Kybernhshs, eiste ikanopoihmenos apo ayth thn eikona;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy ikanopoihmenos den eimai. Kai den einai opoiosdhpote apo ta alla stelexh ikanopoihmenos. Ayto to opoio omws exei shmasia, giati ayto einai to kyrio, kai se ayto prepei na meinoyme, einai toyto: oti h Kybernhsh synexizei thn prospaqeia ths me th sthrijh toy synoloy ths K.O. toy PASOK, poy me thn chfo ths dinei th dynatothta sthn Kybernhsh na askei mia politikh yper twn symferontwn ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto exei shmasia. Qa mporoyse, bebaia, na einai poly pio eykolh h prospaqeia mas, an h synenwsh twn dynamewn olwn twn koinoboyleytikwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn, dhmioyrgoyse proypoqeseis wste ta almata ta opoia exoyme mexri twra kanei, na einai pio apodotika. Pisteyw oti ayto einai kati to opoio mporei na pei kapoios pws apotelei gnwrisma sthn politikh zwh ths xwras. Einai ena fainomeno to opoio xarakthrizei to synolo ths politikhs zwhs, afora ola ta kommata kai oxi monon to diko mas. Prepei, ypo mia ennoia, na to xairetisoyme ws ena stoixeio dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias toy politeymatos mas, afoy dinetai h dynatothta sta stelexh na lene tis apoceis toys kai na krinontai apo ton ellhniko lao gia tis apoceis tis opoies ekfrazoyn. Prepei, omws, na epishmanw kai na kleisw me toyto: oti h Kybernhsh mas ola ayta ta exei prosmetrhsei. Gnwrizoyme oti einai dyskolo to egxeirhma, idiws enocei twn synqhkwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai sto dieqnes periballon. Qa synexisoyme atalanteyta thn poreia poy exoyme xarajei kai qa oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas.

MPOYRDARAS: Exw dyo erwthseis, kyrie Ypoyrge. H prwth afora thn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto shmeio poy milaei oti h Kybernhsh antilambanetai tis anagkes orismenwn koinwnikwn omadwn, opws einai oi xamhlosyntajioyxoi, oi anergoi klp. An h anagnwrish ayth shmainei to sxediasmo kai th lhch sygkekrimenwn metrwn sto amesws epomeno xroniko diasthma gia thn anakoyfish kai thn ejyphrethsh aytwn twn anagkwn.

REPPAS: To oti antilambanetai h Kybernhsh tis idiaiteres anagkes poy antimetwpizoyn kapoies koinwnikes omades, den einai sxhma logoy. Exei apodeixqei apo thn politikh poy efarmozei. Exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Oson afora toys syntajioyxoys, fer` eipein, me to epidoma allhleggyhs. Oson afora toys adynamoys kai asqeneis, aytoi bohqoyntai me to programma bohqeias sto spiti toys. Oson afora toys agrotes, opoy seira metarryqmistikwn nomosxediwn exoyn chfistei kai hdh tiqentai se efarmogh, idiaiterws, gia toys neoys agrotes h me thn katartish toy Mhtrwoy Agrotwn. Oles aytes oi tomes, oi opoies exoyn ginei, synistoyn mia desmh metrwn poy katateinei sto na bohqhsei toys koinwnika asqenesteroys. Den einai qewrhtiko to endiaferon mas, alla exei emprakth apotypwsh se metra kai politikes oi opoies efarmozontai kai einai se ejelijh.

MPOYRDARAS: Kai mia deyterh poy exei sxesh me to qema ths kinhmatografhshs apo thn Asfaleia twn diadhlwsewn. Hqela na rwthsw prwton: ean yparxei prosbash sto yliko poy exei mazecei h Asfaleia apo kapoioys ekproswpoys qesmwn opws einai oi boyleytes, an mporoyn na to doyn, na elegjoyn ti akribws kinhmatografeitai. Kai ena deytero: ean h Kybernhsh exei pronohsei, oi armodioi toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs endexomenws, gia th &quot;swsth&quot;, opws thn perigracate eseis, xrhsimopoihsh aytoy toy ylikoy kai oxi me tropo poy na leitoyrgei se baros twn atomikwn kai dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn apergwn poy exoyn katebei sto dromo kai diadhlwnoyn gia kapoia aithmata toys.

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, toso h politikh hgesia, oso kai h hgesia ths Astynomias den ypoleipontai se dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia apo toys alloys polites h se endiaferon, prokeimenoy ola na ginontai me synnomo tropo. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete para poly kala, oti h drasthriothta twn hlektronikwn meswn enhmerwshs sthn patrida mas, einai anempodisth. Oi thleoptikoi staqmoi exoyn th dynatothta na apotypwnoyn ta drwmena, ana pasa stigmh kai se opoiodhpote shmeio ths epikrateias. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti apo tis thleoptikes ekpompes o ellhnikos laos exei thn anesh na plhroforeitai ta panta, me ena tropo bebaiws, poy syxna einai parapeistikos. Ara, loipon, mhn dinoyme tetoia diastash se ayto to qema, otan h eikona gia to ti symbainei kai sto plaisio aytwn twn drasthriothtwn, twn diadhlwsewn, twn apergiwn, einai mia eikona thn opoia ejasfalizoyn kai oi idiwtikoi foreis kai thn parexoyn sto ellhniko akroathrio. Den prepei, loipon, na dhmioyrgeitai ayth h entypwsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete tis plhrofories symfwna me tis opoies sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy o k. Giannopoylos dhlwse metajy allwn oti den einai dynaton astynomikoi na amynontai se epiqeseis ergazomenwn kai syndikalistwn kai na bgainoyn kapoioi Ypoyrgoi kai na zhtane dialogo, giati etsi yponomeyoyn thn Kybernhsh kai tis epiloges ths. Kai ean yphrje sthn topoqethsh ayth apanthsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, symfwna me thn opoia &quot;exoyme diafores ws pros thn taktikh&quot;, metajy mas ennoei profanws, kai &quot;h politikh gia thn IONIKH Trapeza den mas htan gnwsth&quot;.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos den eipe ayto akribws. Eipe oti nomimws edrasan oi astynomikes dynameis, me thn paroysia kai twn eisaggelikwn arxwn kai oti oi astynomikes dynameis edexqhsan epiqesh. Kai den einai dynaton, otan dexontai epiqeseis apo apergoys, apo diadhlwtes, aytoi oi opoioi qa kakizontai telikws, na einai oi yfistamenoi thn epiqesh. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos den anaferqhke kaqoloy sto qema ths apofashs gia thn Ionikh Trapeza. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos eipe oti yparxei ena plaisio politikhs, to opoio omofwnws exoyme apofasisei kai to efarmozoyme. Qa prepei na doyme toys xeirismoys ekeinoys poy einai oi pleon katallhloi, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei h politikh ayth poy efarmozetai apo thn Kybernhsh mas me ton kalytero tropo. Ayto eipa prin.

KAMPANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an exete kapoio sxolio gia tis pyrhnikes dokimes sto Pakistan kai an h Kybernhsh episeiei metra kata toy Pakistan mesa sto plaisio ths E.E.

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta, gnwrizete oti ta antimetwpizoyme me mia pagia qesh. Einai mia qesh arxhs. Eimaste antiqetoi sth xrhsh, alla kai thn paragwgh twn oplwn aytwn. Pisteyoyme oti oi Dieqneis Organismoi qa prepei na antimetwpisoyn oloys osoi exoyn mia emplokh sth dhmioyrgia h thn anaptyjh aytwn twn oplwn, me ton idio tropo. Exoyme apodokimasei aytes tis drasthriothtes, aytes tis energeies kai gnwrizete oti olh h E.E., qa elega, exei mia taytoshmh qesh gia ta qemata ayta.

KIAOS: Epeidh anaferqhkate prohgoymenws, kai eipate &quot;an h synenwsh twn dynamewn toy PASOK&quot;, hqela, me aformh ayto poy eipate, na mas peite pws xarakthrizete thn katastash shmera sto xwro toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Th xarakthrizw kalh. Qa mporoyse na einai poly kalyterh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Dyo erwthmata: Epeidh ginetai logos apo thn Kybernhsh gia ashmantes meiochfies oi opoies diamartyrontai, diadhlwnoyn klp., xqes, eixame genikh syneleysh ths Ionikhs kai apo toys 1.500 poy symmeteixan mono treis taxqhkan kata twn apergiwn. Oloi oi alloi yper. Mhpws skefteste na anaqewrhsete thn apoch ayth peri ashmantwn meiochfiwn;

REPPAS: Oxi. Epanalambanw ayth thn apoch doqentos oti kai shmera kai oles tis prohgoymenes meres, einai poly ligoi aytoi oi opoioi lambanoyn meros s` aytes tis kinhtopoihseis kai me tropo tetoio o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me tis ejoysiodothseis poy exoyn oi symmetexontes s` aytes tis energeies apo ta organa twn swmateiwn toys, tis genikes syneleyseis. Den exei kaneis ejoysiodothsh na einai proklhtikos, na prophlakizei, na brizei, na epitiqetai. Den fantazomai na exoyn lhfqei tetoies apofaseis sto plaisio twn leitoyrgiwn twn swmateiwn twn ergazomenwn. Poly perissotero otan stis kinhtopoihseis aytes symmetexoyn kai paragontes oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me ton forea o opoios brisketai se kinhtopoihsh. Proerxontai apo alloys xwroys kai einai pantaxoy parontes oi sygkekrimenoi aytoi paragontes se analoges apergiakes ekdhlwseis, pragma to opoio kai ayto einai anamenomeno gia logoys toys opoioys oloi antilambaneste.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To exete ejakribwsei apo ta film ths Astynomias;

REPPAS: Eimai apo ekeinoys, poy logw qeshs, prepei na parakoloyqw ta deltia eidhsewn kai mporw na sas pw sygkekrimenoys. Toys gnwrizw pleon fysiognwmika. Paragontes toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos, toys opoioys toys blepw pantoy. Eite einai apergia twn Naytergatwn, eite apergia ths Ionikhs, eite kinhtopoioyntai oi anaplhrwtes kaqhghtes, eite akomh kai agrotes ektos Aqhnwn. Exoyn oi anqrwpoi aytoi aperioristo xrono sth diaqesh toys, diaqetoyn ola ta mesa prokeimenoy na kinhtopoioyntai epeidh den mporoyn na zhsoyn alliws, &quot;katapiezomenoi&quot; profanws apo thn politikh ejoysia ths xwras kai qeloyn na diadhlwsoyn thn antiqesh toys sthn politikh ejoysia, yperaspizomenoi, dhqen, ta dikaia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ta dikaia toy o ellhnikos laos, mporei na ta yperaspisqei kai na ta perifroyrhsei monos toy. Kai gi` ayto akribws anaqetei kaqe fora se sygkekrimena kommata na ton kybernoyn me bash to programma toys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O Arxiepiskopos Aqhnwn xqes, kataferqhke metajy allwn kai kata 50 boyleytwn toy PASOK, toys opoioys xarakthrise &quot;Graikyloys&quot;, gia th qesh toys se o,ti afora th sxesh Ekklhsias-Kratoys. Ena sxolio ths Kybernhsews qa qelame.

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes exoyn ena pronomio: na eklegontai gia sygkekrimenh qhteia apo ena eyrytato eklektoriko swma, poy einai oi polites ths perifereias toys. Oydeis allos exei tetoia ejoysiodothsh na ekfrazei thn apoch toy me eyqynh apenanti ston ellhniko lao kai bebaiws me eyqynh gia thn thrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Qa elega, qelei areth kai tolmh h Dhmokratia.

Sas eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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