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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22.5.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia. Syzhthsame to qema ths chfiakhs/doryforikhs - syndromhtikhs thleorashs, sto eyrytero plaisio ths anaptyjhs twn newn drasthriothtwn ston chfiako kosmo. Eishghqhkame, o k. Mantelhs ki egw, o kaqenas gia ta qemata toy dikoy toy tomea. Gnwrizete oti h chfiakh texnologia, o chfiakos kosmos einai oysiastika enas neos politismos, allazei th zwh twn anqrwpwn.

Exoyme th xara, isws gia prwth fora sthn patrida mas, oson afora ton tomea ayto na proxwroyme ston kaqorismo enos safoys kai sygkekrimenoy nomikoy kai qesmikoy plaisioy, prin apo thn enarjh twn sxetikwn epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn. Pisteyoyme, pws ayto to ofeiloyme sthn patrida mas kai toys polites: Na orisoyme, dhladh, toys kanones, tis arxes, ta krithria kai tis proypoqeseis, basei twn opoiwn anempodista kai xwris periorismoys, xwris diakriseis kai me isoys oroys qa mporei kaqe endiaferomenos na drasthriopoieitai se ayto ton tomea. Gi` ayto, loipon, apofasisame na proxwrhsoyme sth symplhrwsh, ejeidikeysh ths yparxoysas nomoqesias kai sth diatypwsh twn newn diatajewn poy apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na orioqethsoyme to pedio gia thn anaptyjh aytwn twn newn yphresiwn, me thn epixeirhmatikh morfh poy qa paroyn. Bebaiws, h nomoqesia ayth enswmatwnei, se megalo baqmo, to Koinotiko Dikaio se tomeis opoy exoyn ekdoqei Odhgies kai exoyn lhfqei apofaseis. Sto plaisio ayto perilambanontai oi arxes oi opoies prepei na yphretoyntai apo tis nees aytes drasthriothtes. Kai oi arxes aytes den mporei na einai alles apo tis arxes:

* Ths antikeimenikhs kai ployralistikhs enhmerwshs.

* Toy sebasmoy ths proswpikothtas, ths ajioprepeias kai toy idiwtikoy bioy twn politwn.

* Toy ygioys kai anoqeytoy antagwnismoy.

* Ths poiotikhs cyxagwgias kai ths epimorfwshs twn politwn.

* Ths apofyghs aqemiths ekmetalleyshs ths shmantikhs dynamhs poy synepagetai h katoxh enos Mesoy Mazikhs Epikoinwnias. Kai,

* Ths paroxhs iswn eykairiwn se oloys, osoi endiaferontai na drasthriopoihqoyn ston tomea ayto.

Oi arxes aytes prepei na yphretoyntai apo toys foreis oi opoioi qa laboyn egkrish kai adeia na anaptyjoyn thn analogh epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta.

Oi foreis qa kriqoyn me sygkekrimena krithria kai proypoqeseis poy prepei na ekplhrwnoyn. Ta krithria kai oi proypoqeseis aytes, metajy twn allwn, qa aforoyn:

* Thn apofygh sygkentrwshs sto xwro twn M.M.E. kai idiaitera stis yphresies ths chfiakhs/doryforikhs - syndromhtikhs thleorashs.

* Ton elegxo ths proeleyshs twn oikonomikwn meswn poy diaqetoyn, osoi ekdhlwnoyn endiaferon na entaxqoyn se ayton ton tomea.

* Th diasfalish ths oikonomikhs biwsimothtas twn epixeirhsewn poy epiqymoyn na drasthriopoihqoyn se ayton to neo klado kai ths programmatikhs plhrothtas toy periexomenoy twn chfiakwn syndromhtikwn ekpompwn. Thn ejasfalish, dhladh, twn poiotikwn prodiagrafwn, oson afora to periexomeno enos tetoioy chfiakoy doryforikoy syndromhtikoy diktyoy to opoio ekpempetai kai to opoio lambanoyn oi syndromhtes.

H diadikasia basei ths opoias qa krinontai, qa ajiologoyntai oi endiaferomenoi kai qa toys paraxwreitai h sxetikh egkrish einai mia diadikasia anoikths prosklhshs endiaferontos apo toys foreis poy epiqymoyn na drasthriopoihqoyn se ayton ton tomea.

H prosklhsh endiaferontos ginetai apo ton Ypoyrgo Typoy & MME ek meroys toy Dhmosioy. To organo to opoio epilambanetai, elegxei kai ajiologei toys fakeloys twn ypochfiwn einai to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs (ESR). To ESR diatypwnei gnwmh kai ekdidei thn apofash, telika, gia logariasmo toy Dhmosioy o Ypoyrgos Typoy & MME.

Bebaiws, ta krithria kai oi proypoqeseis prepei na syntrexoyn se oloys toys endiaferomenoys, prokeimenoy na kriqoyn epi ths oysias. Shmantiko rolo gia thn ajiologhsh toys paizei to oikonomiko antallagma poy prosferoyn, opws kai h piqanh prosfora antistaqmistikwn ofelwn, h paroxh yphresiwn. Na filojenoyntai, gia paradeigma, dwrean s` ena tetoio syndromhtiko doryforiko chfiako diktyo programmata, ta opoia enhmerwnoyn ton polith h ejyphretoyn drasthriothtes dhmosiwn h koinwnikwn forewn.

Pisteyoyme, oti to sxedio nomoy, epeidh hdh exei ginei mia shmantikh proergasia, qa einai etoimo entos toy Ioynioy. Qa enhmerwqoyn h Boylh, ta kommata kai oi foreis kai qa syzhthsoyme epi toy qematos aytoy. Symplhrwmatika qelw na sas pw oti stis ryqmiseis aytes qa symperilambanetai kai to sxetiko me ton apokwdikopoihth qema. Exoyme enswmatwsei sto Dikaio mas thn koinotikh Odhgia 95/47 h opoia problepei toys kanones poy prepei na throyntai (to sxetiko Proedriko Diatagma hdh apostelletai sto Symboylio Epikrateias gia thn telikh epejergasia kai egkrish), wste na ejasfalizetai gia ton polith-katanalwth h eleyqerh prosbash mesw enos apokwdikopoihth se ola ta systhmata ths chfiakhs/doryforikhs-syndromhtikhs thleorashs. Pisteyoyme oti h prostasia toy polith einai mia apo tis arxes kai tis proypoqeseis poy prepei na thrhqoyn. Gi` ayto, sto plaisio twn diatajewn poy qa diatypwsoyme me th morfh sxedioy nomoy to stoixeio ayto qa exei thn idiaiterh qesh toy. Kleinw, legontas oti pisteyoyme pws sto syntomo ayto xroniko diasthma oti qa oloklhrwsoyme to ergo poy mas exei anateqei. Qa kanoyme to kalytero dynato, wste h nomoqesia mas na apanta sta epikaira qemata, na einai arketa pronohtikh gia na antimetwpizei tis proklhseis toy amesoy, toylaxiston, mellontos, en ocei ths anaptyjhs kai newn yphresiwn. Pisteyoyme oti, an epideijoyme thn idia synepeia kai sth synexeia qa eimaste isws h prwth xwra ths Eyrwphs poy qa exoyme ena safes qesmiko kai nomiko plaisio gia thn anaptyjh twn drasthriothtwn sto xwro ths chfiakhs/ doryforikhs- syndromhtikhs thleorashs.

Ayta hqela na sas pw se poly genikes grammes. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na rwthsw an qa enhmerwqoyn ta kommata kai oi foreis prin katateqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh.

REPPAS: Malista. Molis diatypwqei to keimeno toy sxedioy nomoy kai prin katateqei sth Boylh qa ginei syzhthsh, qa enhmerwqoyn oi endiaferomenoi foreis. Epiqymoyme h olh diadikasia na ejelixqei me apolyth antikeimenikothta kai diafaneia, giati pisteyoyme oti ayta ta stoixeia apoteloyn kai to qemelio liqo gia thn olh ajiopistia ths diadikasias, h opoia -antilambaneste- einai kaqoristikh en ocei mias neas epoxhs. Gia prwth fora sthn patrida mas me kanones, me proypoqeseis, me adeies oi opoies qa doqoyn stoys endiaferomenoys qa exoyme th dynatothta, pleon, na apolambanoyme programmata kai yphresies neas yfhs. Kai ola ayta prepei na ginoyn me tajh, me sxediasmo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa apokleiontai, opws se prohgoymenes periptwseis, osoi exoyn sxesh me dhmosia erga, promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy h qa katastrathghqei pali...

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ta qemata sygkentrwshs. O nomos ston opoio proxwroyme qa problepei, metajy twn allwn, to asymbibasto ths idiothtas, aytoy o opoios einai metoxos se mia tetoia epixeirhsh, me drasthriothta poy exei sxesh me thn analhch dhmosiwn ergwn h kratikwn promhqeiwn.

KIAOS: Anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sth diadikasia gia thn adeia kai eipate gia "gnwmh toy ESR". Gnwmh h symfwnh gnwmh;

REPPAS: Koitajte, kai to ena kai to allo, den dhmioyrgei, kat` anagkh, desmeysh gia thn apofash thn opoia prepei na ekdwsei o Ypoyrgos, o opoios askei, se kaqe periptwsh, ton problepomeno apo to nomo elegxo nomimothtas. H symfwnh gnwmh -epeidh yparxei ayth h paranohsh- shmainei oti exei prohghqei erwthma kai qesh toy Ypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy, apantwntas se ayto to erwthma toy Ypoyrgoy ena organo, to Symboylio Radiothleorashs en prokeimenw, na ekfrasei th gnwmh toy. Kai an h gnwmh toy ERS einai symfwnh me to erwthma toy Ypoyrgoy, tote legetai symfwnh gnwmh. Antilambanomai poio einai to erwthma sas. Se oles tis xwres einai kati to opoio ejetazetai. Qa to syzhthsoyme me toys alloys foreis. Epiqymia mas, epanalambanw, gia th ryqmish olwn aytwn twn leptomereiwn, einai na yparxei antikeimenikothta kai diafaneia. Kai ola ayta ta qemata sas kalw na ta krinetai kalopista, ypo to prisma ths epiqymias mas na yparxei ayth h antikeimenikothta kai h diafaneia. Ola ayta, loipon, ta opoia synistoyn stoixeia antikeimenikothtas kai ajiopistias ths olhs diadikasias, na eiste sigoyroi oti qa ryqmistoyn me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn epitrepetai h paramikrh yponoia peri xeirismwn, oi opoioi den einai toso antikeimenikoi kai toso diafaneis.

KIAOS: Qelw na rwthsw ean, opws einai shmera ta pragmata, paei enas poliths se ena magazi kai agorasei apokwdikopoihth, ton balei sto spiti toy kai arxisei na doyleyei, mporei ayto to pragma na ginei h oxi;

REPPAS: Efoson, o apokwdikopoihths aytos einai pistopoihmenos apo organo ths E.E., o apokwdikopoihths aytos einai synnomos.

KIAOS: Eidikotera h ERT kai o OTE, oi dhmosioi aytoi foreis, sth skech sas h sto sxedio nomoy poy exete kata noyn, pws metexoyn sthn prospaqeia ayth kai an ekxwroyn, pwloyn to proion toys h metexoyn opwsdhpote sthn ekpomph kai se ola ta synafh;

REPPAS: Exw pei oti tis apofaseis gia toys dyo aytoys foreis qa laboyn oi Dioikhseis twn Organismwn, me bash to symferon twn Organismwn aytwn. Giati, prepei na leitoyrgoyn me tetoia krithria, ta opoia qa endynamwsoyn thn paroysia twn Organismwn sthn agora, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, diakrinetai gia ton entono antagwnismo, o opoios einai se ejelijh. Prepei omws na aposafhnisw oti kaqe endiaferomenos, xwris periorismoys, efoson ikanopoiei sygkekrimena krithria kai proypoqeseis, qa mporei na anaptyssei ayth th drasthriothta, xwris na exei to opoiodhpote empodio, eite apo ton OTE, eite apo thn ERT. Giati oi men thlepikoinwnies exoyn, pleon, apeleyqerwqei. Ara me ton OTE qa prepei na syzhthsei kaqe endiaferomenos aplws toys oroys, me toys opoioys qa prosferei o OTE tis yphresies toy, thn ypodomh poy exei, tis egkatastaseis toy, ta diktya toy. Me th de ERT qa prepei na syzhthsei to dikaiwma, to opoio problepei o nomos poy isxyei. Xwris ayto na shmainei oti den mporei o OTE h h ERT na syzhtoyn to endexomeno, monoi toys, apo koinoy me tritoys, na kanoyn synergasies prokeimenoy na anaptyjoyn tis dikes toys drasthriothtes. Epeidh, para polloi apo toys anagnwstes twn efhmeridwn h toys akroates kai epeidh, logiko einai o periorismenos xwros poy diaqetete ki eseis h o xronos sta hlektronika mesa, na mhn epitrepei thn paroysiash olwn twn shmeiwn kai gi ayto akribws dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis, epanalambanw gia na einai safes: Den ypoxreoytai opoiosdhpote endiaferomenos qelei na anaptyjei tetoia drasthriothta, na synergastei me ton OTE kai thn ERT se mia koinh etaireia. Ayto den prokyptei apo poyqena. To exw apanthsei edw kai para polles hmeres. Apo tis 13 Maioy exw milhsei sxetika. O antagwnismos epitrepei, ston kaqena, me ton tropo poy ekeinos epilegei -arkei bebaiws na threi kapoioys kanones kai na antapokrinetai se orismena krithria kai proypoqeseis- na anaptyjei mia tetoia drasthriothta. Einai qema toy kaqe endiaferomenoy. Einai anoikth h diadikasia ayth. Kai prepei na pw oti den problepetai sygkekrimenos h kleistos, opws onomazetai, ariqmos. Kaqe endiaferomenos, o opoios exei tis proypoqeseis, krinetai aytotelws kai efoson ekplhrwnei ta sygkekrimena krithria poy qetei to nomiko plaisio, mporei kai toy epitrepetai pleon na anaptyssei aytes tis drasthriothtes.

KIAOS: Kai ayto poy eixate pei proxqes isxyei gia entos toy qeroys na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia kai sthn chfish;

REPPAS: Epeidh eimaste apenanti se enan peirasmo, kai opws eipa qa einai timhtiko na eimaste oi prwtoi sthn Eyrwph poy qa exoyme ena nomo gia ta poly eidika ayta qemata, emeis epiqymoyme to syntomotero dynato na oloklhrwqei h chfish toy nomoy. Ayto, omws, den ejartatai mono apo emas. Epeidh qa exoyme mia plhrh protash, mia protash h opoia den prepei na egeirei enstaseis, pisteyw oti qa symfwnhsoyn kai oi alloi foreis, wste na proxwrhsoyme me diadikasies, oi opoies den qa einai xronobores.

KIAOS: H typikh apofash ths Kybernhshs -epeidh shmera htan atypo to organo- pote qa lhfqei;

REPPAS: Shmera doqhkan oi kateyqynseis, oristhke to plaisio. Egw aposafhnisa orismena qemata gia ta opoia mporoyme na poyme oti exoyme, hdh, dedomenh th qesh mas, gia to pws qa ginei h diadikasia, poioi qa einai oi foreis kai ola ayta.

KIAOS: Skopeyete na kalesete, eseis proswpika, foreis apo to xwro to diko mas, opws einai h POESY k.lp. Ean qa toys kalesete eseis proswpika, sygkekrimena, "thn tade hmeromhnia elate na syzhthsoyme".

REPPAS: Qa enhmerwqoyn kai oi foreis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na maqw ean to asymbibasto qa epektaqei kai sthn kateyqynsh ekeinh poy afora toys hdh katexontes Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs.

REPPAS: Ta qemata ths apofyghs sygkentrwshs apoteloyn ena jexwristo kefalaio. Oi telikes ryqmiseis qa ginoyn gnwstes me to sxedio nomoy poy qa diatypwsoyme. Asfalws qa yparxoyn periorismoi, to orio twn opoiwn den qa to syzhthsoyme twra, dioti einai ena qema to opoio mas apasxolei. Qa laboyme ypoch mas th dieqnh, thn eyrwpaikh empeiria. Prepei na sas pw, oti ekei den yparxoyn opoiasdhpote morfhs periorismoi. Qa prepei na proseggisoyme to qema exontas ypoch mas afenos ayth thn empeiria kai afeteroy thn ejyphrethsh meizonwn agaqwn gia thn apofygh sygkentrwshs se ayto ton tomea. Pragma to opoio shmainei, oti h staqmish aytwn twn dedomenwn, aytwn twn paragontwn, qa einai kaqoristikh gia na diatypwsoyme tis telikes mas qeseis sto sxedio nomoy.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia to oikonomiko antallagma. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean prosdioristhke, shmera, to minimoym toy oikonomikoy antallagmatos poy prepei na prosferqei sthn ERT.

REPPAS: Den prosdioristhke. Afoy syzhthsoyme, me gnwmona th diasfalish toy symferontos ths ERT, oson afora thn ajiopoihsh aytoy toy dikaiwmatos, qa apofasisoyme kai tote qa ginei gnwsto kai se esas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anaferate sthn arxh oti o chfiakos kosmos allazei th zwh twn anqrwpwn. Epishs, eipate prohgoymenws oti oson afora thn ERT, thn apofash gia to ti qa kanei qa thn parei h dioikhsh ths. To erwthma moy -kai to qewrw eylogo- einai h politikh eyqynh ths Kybernhsews poia einai, me dedomenh th diapistwsh oti edw allazei h zwh twn anqrwpwn;

REPPAS: H politikh eyqynh ths Kybernhshs exei analhfqei, me thn epimeleia thn opoia epideiknyoyme, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyme ena plaisio kanonwn kai arxwn, wste na mhn epanalhfqei to fainomeno asydosias kai anarxias, to opoio ekdhlwqhke se prohgoymenes faseis kata thn anaptyjh analogwn drasthriothtwn sto radiothleoptiko xwro. Apo ekei kai pera, exoyme pei oti enqarrynoyme th symmetoxh s` aytes tis drasthriothtes twn forewn toy Dhmosioy, giati pisteyoyme oti ayto apobainei pros ofelos toy dhmosioy symferontos. Eidikws gia th dhmosia thleorash, pantoy se olh thn Eyrwph anagnwrizetai o idiaiteros rolos, ton opoio exei. Exoyn ginei para polles syzhthseis kai prepei na sas pw oti se ola ta organa kai se ola ta epipeda ths E.E. pantote to symperasma einai to idio, oti h dhmosia radiothleorash exei mia apostolh jexwristh kai prepei, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei sthn apostolh ths, na exei th bohqeia thn opoia exei.

MOSXOBAS: Panw s` ayto to teleytaio: H ERT, hdh, exei xasei to treno, qa legame, ths syndromhtikhs thleorashs, ekxwrwntas thleoptiko dikaiwma sto FILMNET. H Kybernhsh den mporoyse na qespisei kapoio plaisio, gia na metexei sthn prwtia, wste na mhn xasei ki ayto to treno ths chfiakhs thleorashs;

REPPAS: Eimaste prosektikoi kai ejetazoyme ta qemata apo oles tis pleyres kai pantote katw apo to prisma toy dhmosioy symferontos kai ths ejyphrethshs toy polith. Qa prepei, loipon, gi` ayto akribws, enocei twn newn drasthriothtwn poy aforoyn thn chfiakh/doryforikh metadosh shmatwn kai oxi thn analogikh metadosh, estw, mesw syndromhtikwn stoixeiwn, to dhmosio, h ERT, en prokeimenw, na einai etoimh kai na einai paroysa. Exoyme prosferei ws Kybernhsh sthn ERT arketa. Kai apo ayta mporeite na deite to ergo poy exei ginei, opws kai to programma poy brisketai se ejelijh. Pisteyoyme oti h ERT dikaioytai kai prepei me ton tropo poy qa epilejei ekeinh, na einai paroysa stis ejelijeis. Kai den qa xasei to traino. Gia na diaskedasw to fobo sas, sas lew oti pisteyw oti den qa xasei to traino h ERT. Kai den prepei na to xasei.

MOSXOBAS: Qa metasxei, dhladh, den qa ekxwrhsei to dikaiwma enanti antallagmatos;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den yparxei o texnikos periorismos poy yparxei sthn epigeia analogikh thleorash, opoy oi syxnothtes einai orismenes kai gi` ayto akribws, den einai eykolo opoiosdhpote endiaferomenos, afoy den yparxei allwste eyxereia syxnothtwn, na ekpempei thleoptiko programma. Aytos o telikos periorismos ston chfiako kosmo den yparxei, pleon. Apo ekei kai pera kaqe foreas, o opoios endiaferetai na anaptyjei drasthriothtes, einai eleyqeros na to kanei. Den einai ypoxrewmenos na synergazetai opwsdhpote me thn ERT. H ERT, apo th dikh ths pleyra, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, qa prepei na leitoyrgei kai me tetoia krithria, krithria agoras, alla, sth bash pantote ejyphrethshs twn skopwn gia toys opoioys milhsa sthn arxh, qa prepei na anazhthsei to dromo, o opoios qa thn odhghsei se mia diakekrimenh qesh s` ayto ton chfiako kosmo.

MOSXOBAS: Milhsate gia to oikonomiko antallagma. Ayto to oikonomiko antallagma, den apotelei mallon mia antifash se sxesh me ayto poy eipate oti opoios qelei qa pairnei adeia kai eipate oti ayto qa kaqoristei kai apo to ycos toy antallagmatos;

REPPAS: Eipa oti opoios qelei, efoson exei ta krithria kai tis proypoqeseis, mporei na symmetexei s` ayth th drasthriothta. Prokeimenoy, omws, na anaptyjei ayth th drasthriothta, metajy twn allwn, qa prepei na katabalei ena xrhmatiko poso, opws xrhmatiko poso kataballei o foreas, o opoios exei kanei symbash me thn ERT, poy diaqetei, shmera, ta dyo analogika syndromhtika diktya. Epishs apo ton 2328 problepetai h katabolh, ws antallagmatos xrhshs gia th syxnothta poy diaqetoyn, enos posostoy 2% epi toy synoloy twn akaqaristwn esodwn, apo toys thleoptikoys foreis sto Dhmosio. Kapoia diadikasia, throymenwn twn analogiwn, qa problepetai kai stis diatajeis stis opoies qa proxwrhsoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Yphrjan kapoies enstaseis gi` ayto to qesmiko plaisio sth synedriash, apo melh ths Politikhs Grammateias;

REPPAS: Kamia enstash. Isa-isa eixame plhreis protaseis, qa elega. Einai ena qema arketa ejeidikeymeno. To syzhthsame gia para pollh wra kai qelw na sas pw oti h syzhthsh htan para poly kalh, para poly xrhsimh. Xrhsimh kai gia mas.

MOSXOBAS: Den eixate diafwnies;

REPPAS: Kamia diafwnia den yphrje.

KONTOPOYLOS: Eipate oti to syntomotero dynato qa doqoyn adeies. Epeidh einai gnwsto to problhma, kai epeidh yparxoyn etairies oi opoies einai, hdh, etoimes, qa hqela na rwthsw: Prwton, pote problepetai oti qa doqoyn oi adeies. Deyteron, an qa dwsete adeia h an qa epitrapei, telos pantwn, me kapoia ryqmish, dokimastikh ekpomph. Kai trito qema einai ean -epeidh anaferqhkate sthn eyrwpaikh empeiria, enw to nomiko plaisio den exei epishmopoihqei- qa ekpempoyn tetoio shma etairies;

REPPAS: Qema prwton: Sas eipa pote emeis qa exoyme sxedio nomoy, me to opoio qa antimetwpizoyme ta synafh qemata. Pisteyw oti einai qema ligoy xronoy, ligwn mhnwn h oloklhrwsh ayths ths diadikasias. Alla, epanalambanw, den ejartatai ayto mono apo mas. Emeis epiqymoyme, to syntomotero dynato, afoy exoyme etoimo to plaisio, na arxisei ayth h drasthriothta.

Deytero qema: Yparxei h symfwnia ths ERT, sto pneyma mias hdh yparxoysas synergasias, gia thn ekpomph peiramatikoy programmatos, to opoio ekpempetai. Den symperilambanei syndromhtes. Kapoioi, omws, poy exoyn efodiastei me ta katallhla texnologika ejarthmata, exoyn th dynatothta prosbashs s` ayto to programma.

Triton: Sthn Eyrwph, pragmati, xwris na exoyn doqei adeies, ekpempontai chfiaka/doryforika programmata. Yparxei, omws, mia diafora. Sthn Eyrwph, edw kai arketa xronia, leitoyrgoyn kalwdiaka/syndromhtika diktya. Oi foreis poy elegxoyn ayth th drasthriothta anelaban prwtoboylia kai ejaplwqhkan kai sthn ekpomph chfiakwn/doryforikwn, pleon, programmatwn, xwris na yparxei to apaitoymeno plaisio. Gi` ayto exoyn dhmioyrghqei kai para polla problhmata. Kai prepei na sas pw oti, metajy twn allwn, kai aytos einai enas paragontas poy dinei ena pleonekthma se mas, me thn ennoia oti qa eimaste, isws, oi prwtoi poy qa qespisoyme ena safes nomiko plaisio. To oti akribws, h kata prwton -an qelete- ekpomph aytwn twn programmatwn, kanei dyskolh thn, ek twn ysterwn, qesmikh kai nomikh ryqmish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Kai einai -to shmeiwnw- poly shmantiko oti gia prwth fora sthn Ellada dhmioyrgoyme kanones kai plaisio, to opoio qa apotypwqei sthn epiqymhth, pleon, pragmatikothta.

KONTOPOYLOS: Pote eseis problepete na kanete thn prosklhsh endiaferontos, posos einai o xronos entos toy opoioy qa prepei na yparjei h ekdhlwsh toy endiaferontos, me bash to nomosxedio poy etoimazete kai posos einai o xronos mesa ston opoio qa ajiologhqei apo to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio, o fakelos. Kai an to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio exei thn ypodomh na ajiologhsei toys fakeloys aytoys.

REPPAS: To Radiothleoptiko Symboylio exei thn ypodomh kai qa yposthrixqei, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei s` ayth thn apostolh. Prepei na eimai safhs, qa problepetai h enisxysh toy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs me olo ekeino to proswpiko h thn ypodomh poy einai aparaithta, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei kai na ferei se peras ayto to ergo, efoson kriqei oti oi shmerines dynatothtes toy den to epitrepoyn. Apo ekei kai pera mhn perimenete na sas pw ena analytiko xronodiagramma kaqws yparxoyn oi koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, diadikasies oi opoies aforoyn thn ekfrash qesewn twn allwn kommatwn gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Ayto to opoio, omws, mporw na pw -kai apotelei thn epiqymia, thn epidiwjh mas- einai toyto: Afoy qa exoyme oloklhrwmeno nomiko kai qesmiko plaisio, epiqymoyme na oloklhrwqoyn oles oi diadikasies syntomotata, prokeimenoy na exoyme enarjh aytwn twn drasthriothtwn.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Kiaos sas rwthse prohgoymenws oti an paei kapoios katanalwths kai agorasei ena apokwdikopoihth kai ton topoqethsei, mporei; Kai apanthsate oti an einai pistopoihmenos apo organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, einai synnomo. Balate, omws, prohgoymenws ena krithrio: Gia enan apokwdikopoihth poy qa einai symbatos me ola ta systhmata. Dhladh, den katalaba, an h E.E. exei qesei ws aparabath prodiagrafh enan apokwdikopoihth poy qa einai symbatos me ola ta systhmata, giati exw thn entypwsh oti kykloforoyn epta systhmata sthn E.E.

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena megalo qema. Sas eipa prin apo meres oti einai epta diaforetikoi typoi apokwdikopoihtwn poy kykloforoyn sthn Eyrwph. Oi Organismoi Typopoihshs kai Pistopoihshs poy yparxoyn sthn Eyrwph exoyn asxolhqei me ayto to qema. Opoios exei ejasfalisei apo tetoio egkekrimeno Organismo pistopoihsh, asfalws antapokrinetai stis prodiagrafes poy exei qesei h E.E. Oi prodiagrafes aytes anaferontai sthn odhgia 95/47 poy metajy twn allwn lene oti qa prepei o apokwdikopoihths na einai filikos kai symbatos me ola ta systhmata, na dinetai ayto poy apotelei kleidi sto logismiko toy, prokeimenoy na elegxetai h dynatothta prosbashs stis yphresies se oloys anejairetws, xwris diakriseis, me toys idioys oroys, prokeimenoy o poliths-katanalwths na mhn epibarynetai oikonomika, alla na mporei me enan apokwdikopoihth na exei prosbash se ola ta diktya. Gi` ayto to qema nomizw oti eipame yperarketa.

MIXAHL: Eseis eipate oti opoios endiaferomenos qa ekplhrwnei ta krithria poy qa qesei o nomos qa mporei eleyqera, afoy to epitrepei h texnologia, na leitoyrgei chfiakh\doryforikh-syndromhtikh thleorash. Den sas anhsyxei to gegonos oti ayto mporei na to petyxoyn para polloi, pragma poy qa epibarynei oikonomika synolika th xwra;

REPPAS: Prwton, den epibarynetai h xwra. Deyteron, an exoyn aytes tis prodiagrafes kai tis dynatothtes tosoi polloi sthn Ellada, ayto qa apotelesei pleon pagkosmio rekor. Prepei na sas pw oti se kamia xwra ths Eyrwphs den yparxoyn parapanw apo dyo foreis. Sth Gallia einai treis kai sth Megalh Bretania, opoy h me chfiako tropo paroxh thleoptikwn yphresiwn ginetai me epigeia diktya, oi adeies poy exoyn doqei einai eji. Prepei na pw oti kai se alles xwres den anakoinwnetai sygkekrimenos ariqmos pantote. Alloy exei ginei. Sthn Ispania fer` eipein exoyn anakoinwsei sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Emeis gia polloys logoys kriname oti h prosbash s` aytes tis drasthriothtes na einai eleyqerh gia kaqe endiaferomeno, arkei na ekplhrwnei orismena krithria, orismenoys oroys. Oi oroi aytoi, bebaiws, qa einai toso sobaroi, wste na pistopoieitai pws aytos poy analambanei mia tetoia drasthriothta toys ejasfalizei, parexontas ola ta exeggya ta opoia einai aparaithta, wste na qewreitai pws mporei ajiopista na anaptyjei mia tetoia epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish: Eixate apanthsei se analogo erwthma tis prohgoymenes hmeres, alla qelw na to janarwthsw. Ean yparjei ekpomph kwdikopoihmenoy shmatos prin apo thn chfish toy nomoy, pws qa to antimetwpisei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei nomiko plaisio. Ayto einai qema to opoio afora th nomimothta h thn paranomh drasthriothta thn opoia epilegei kapoios na anaptyjei. Pisteyoyme oti den yparxei nomiko plaisio, den yparxei diadikasia paraxwrhshs adeiwn. Den nomizw oti einai dynath mia tetoia drasthriothta.

KIAOS: To antiqeto den isxyei s` ayto poy lete; Apo th stigmh poy den yparxei plaisio tetoio nomoqetiko, kaqorismeno, pws qa kaqoristei h paranomia;

REPPAS: Ma, otidhpote den problepetai ws nomimh drasthriothta sto radiothleoptiko tomea, den shmainei oti mporei apo kapoion na anaptyssetai kai taytoxrona aytos o kapoios na qewrei oti den exei parabiasei kapoio nomo, epeidh den yparxei nomos. Isa-isa.

KIAOS: Symfwnw. Gi` ayto sas lew oti yparxei kai to antiqeto.

REPPAS: Ayto eipate eseis kai sas lew oti ayto einai paralogo. Qa prepei na throyntai oi nomoi. Opoy to Dhmosio, to Kratos den exei labei apofash, den exei orisei ena plaisio, den shmainei oti o kaqenas mporei na anaptyssei ayqaireta mia drasthriothta, otan gia na anaptyjei ayth th drasthriothta, ek twn pragmatwn, qa prepei na exei mia synafeia, mia synennohsh, mia synergasia, mia symfwnia me Yphresies h Foreis, oi opoioi exoyn ena xarakthra neyralgiko kai dhmosio. Pws qa to kanei kapoios, otan qa prepei na anaptyjei thn yphresia toy, ejyphretoymenos apo ta diktya, tis egkatastaseis toy OTE, fer` eipein. Ara, ola ayta qa prepei na ryqmizontai, na problepontai kai mporw na ferw polla paradeigmata, ta opoia einai synafh, prokeimenoy na ginontai ola me tropo safh kai nomimo.

KOGIANNHS: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh tis dhlwseis toy stratiwtikoy Dioikhth toy NATO, Tzwn Klark, sxetika me qermo epeisodio to kalokairi, ejaitias ths egkatastashs twn S-300;

REPPAS: To qema twn S-300, to opoio syzhteitai para poly kaqws perna o kairos, gnwrizete oti apo thn Kypriakh Kybernhsh proseggizetai me poly ypeyqyno tropo. Kai symfwnoyme me ayth thn proseggish. An, pragmatika, diapistwnetai proodos sthn antimetwpish toy Kypriakoy qematos h exoyn arxisei oi diadikasies gia thn apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy, tote pragmatika dhmioyrgoyntai nea dedomena, ara qa prepei katw apo prisma aytwn twn newn dedomenwn na ejetastei kai h egkatastash h oxi twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro. Twra, to dikaiwma sthn amyna h Kypros to exei, opws kai ola ta krath-melh toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Den einai kratos me meiwmena dikaiwmata h Kypros, oson afora thn amyna h thn asfaleia ths. Gi` ayto, loipon, h Kybernhsh ths Kyproy, exontas labei ayth thn apofash, kanei kati to opoio antapokrinetai se pragmatikes anagkes toy Kypriakoy kratoys afenos, afeteroy omws exei deijei thn kalh pisth me thn opoia syzhta to qema ayto me to dieqnh paragonta, otan exei diatypwsei tis qeseis stis opoies anaferqhka prin, prokeimenoy na epanejetasei th qesh ths.

BITSENTZOY: Anaferate dyo oroys. Qymamai oti yparxei kai tritos. To eipe o k. Pagkalos, toy eggyhmenoy "moratorioym".

REPPAS: Ayto akribws einai ena qema to opoio kapoia stigmh syzhthqhke. Den eipe kati diaforetiko o k. Pagkalos. Doqhkan dieykriniseis kai entassetai, akribws, stis prospaqeies gia thn apostratikopoihsh kai th lysh toy Kypriakoy problhmatos.

MOSXOBAS: Meta thn anataraxh poy epikratei stoys ekpaideytikoys, skefteste kapoia eidikh ryqmish gia toys anaplhrwtes kaqhghtes;

REPPAS: Yparxei, pragmati, anataraxh sto xwro ths Paideias h opoia den einai dikaiologhmenh. Tetoies metarryqmistikes tomes einai aparaithtes giati eisagoyn thn Ellada pleon sto sygxrono kosmo. Kapoioi poy antidroyn, pisteyw oti antistrateyontai kai ta dika toys symferonta. Einai dynaton se mia xwra to 1998 na isxyei h epethrida kai mono, na mhn yparxei enas tropos ajiologhshs twn ekpaideytikwn stoys opoioys qa empisteyqoyme th morfwsh twn paidiwn mas; Pisteyw, loipon, oti oi antidraseis aytes den einai dikaiologhmenes. H Kybernhsh exei diatypwsei thn politikh ths. Einai sth diaqesh olwn twn endiaferomenwn, na syzhthsei ta problhmata poy prokyptoyn. Alla den einai diateqeimenh na noqeysei thn politikh ayth, thn opoia qewroyme aparaithth gia thn Paideia mas, alla kai gia to mellon ths xwras.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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