Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-05-20

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20.5.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Meta thn anadiplwsh twn Amerikanwn, mporoyme na exoyme shmera thn plhrh qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gi` ayto to qema poy exei prokycei;

REPPAS: Oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs anaptyxqhkan xqes apo ton k. Pagkalo, me safhneia kai nomizw oti den xreiazetai na epanerxomaste sto qema ayto. Einai oi pagies qeseis, tis opoies gnwrizete. H qesh ths Kybernhshs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn aposafhnisthke meta th diorqwtikh dhlwsh toy k. Roympin, h opoia (diorqwtikh dhlwsh) edwse th dynatothta na arqoyn oi opoies paranohseis yphrjan, wste na gnwrizoyme ki emeis, poia einai h politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Kybernhsh twn HPA, gia ta sygkekrimena qemata ths xwras mas, ta opoia bebaiws apoteloyn koryfaia zhthmata kai prokaloyn ena genikotero dieqnes endiaferon.

SOYGLERHS: H synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy k. Gewrgioy Papandreoy prin ligo exei sxesh me aytes tis dhlwseis;

REPPAS: To prwi egine ayth h synanthsh, enocei toy Symboylioy Syndeshs Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs-Toyrkias to opoio prokeitai na synedriasei thn epomenh ebdomada, opws toylaxiston exei programmatistei. Thn Ellada qa ekproswphsei sto Symboylio ayto o k. Papandreoy. Enocei, loipon, aytoy toy Symboylioy, alla kai gia alla qemata ths armodiothtas toy, o Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn syzhthse me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

JENAKHS: Nwritera egine mia syskech sto Megaro Majimoy, opoy symmeteixan o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn, eseis kai o nomikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papadhmhtrioy. Poio htan to antikeimeno ayths ths syskechs;

REPPAS: Enhmerwsame ton Prwqypoyrgo gia qemata ths armodiothtas mas. Eidikws syzhthsame to qema, to opoio qa apasxolhsei, thn Paraskeyh, thn koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias, h opoia opws sas exw anakoinwsei qa ginei sto Megaro Majimoy. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, moy dinete th dynatothta na pw oti qa exw thn timh na eishghqw to qesmiko plaisio gia to toso shmantiko qema ths anaptyjhs twn drasthriothtwn sto xwro ths chfiakhs/doryforikhs-syndromhtikhs thleorashs. H qesh mas, se epipedo arxwn, exei ginei dhmosiws gnwsth kai paramenei h idia. Exoyme th xara na eimaste metajy twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs poy prwtoporoyn se ayton ton tomea, oson afora thn aposafhnish toy nomikoy plaisioy to opoio qa diepei thn anaptyjh aytwn twn drasthriothtwn. Gnwrizete oti h drasthriothta sto xwro twn MME den apotelei aplh epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Gi` ayto, akribws, yparxei dhmosios elegxos, entonoteros ston tomea aytwn twn epixeirhsewn apo ton elegxo se oloys toys alloys tomeis epixeirhmatikhs drashs. H protash, thn opoia qa anaptyjw thn Paraskeyh, anaferetai stis arxes oi opoies prepei na yphretoyntai apo th leitoyrgia tetoiwn epixeirhsewn poy parexoyn yphresies chfiakhs/doryforikhs-syndromhtikhs thleorashs, opws epishs sta krithria kai tis proypoqeseis, oi opoies prepei na ikanopoioyntai gia na analabei kapoios mia tetoia drasthriothta. H protash ayth qa anaferetai akomh kai stis diadikasies basei twn opoiwn qa exei kapoios th dynatothta na anaptyssei mia tetoia drasthriothta. Kai bebaiws, apo thn pleyra toy k. Mantelh exei ginei mia analogh doyleia gia ta qemata poy aforoyn thn texnikh kai texnologikh prosarmogh toy yfistamenoy plaisioy sta nea dedomena. Pisteyw oti to plaisio ayto, to opoio exoyme epejergastei, einai oysiastiko, systhmatiko kai plhres. Syntomotata qa eimaste se qesh na poyme me leptomereies tis apoceis mas kai ayto qa apodeijei oti h Kybernhsh, opws kai gia alla qemata etsi kai gi` ayto, exei ena plhres programma kai exei diasfalisei oles ekeines tis aparaithtes proypoqeseis, wste na yparxei diafaneia, na diasfalizetai o ygihs antagwnismos, na prostateyetai o katanalwths kai na yphreteitai kai to dhmosio symferon.

KIAOS: Pera apo to plaisio, to opoio se xondres grammes eipate ti qa perilambanei an katalaba, pws katalhgei h protash mia kai eiste kai o eishghths twn sygkekrimenwn diatajewn, mporeite na mas to peite me treis koybentes;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete ayth thn wra kai prin th synedriash ths Paraskeyhs na mhn mpw se leptomereies. Mporw na sas pw, omws, oti me bash kai tis kateyqynseis stis opoies qa katalhjoyme thn Paraskeyh, syntomotata qa eimaste se qesh na diatypwsoyme keimeno sxedioy nomoy, to opoio, bebaiws, mesa apo tis synhqeis kai gnwstes se sas diadikasies, qa parei to dromo toy, qa chfistei apo th Boylh, prokeimenoy na ginei nomos toy kratoys. Basei aytoy toy nomoy qa synexisoyme me tis diadikasies poy qa problepontai, thn anaptyjh ayths ths drasthriothtas, h opoia apotelei mia kainotomia gia thn patrida mas kai epiqymoyme ayth h nea drasthriothta na anaptyxqei entos plaisioy me safeis kanones, proypoqeseis, krithria, desmeyseis kai ypoxrewseis, toso gia to Dhmosio, oso kai gia toys foreis poy exoyn endiaferon na anaptyjoyn drasthriothtes s` ayto to neo tomea.

KIAOS: Ayto to nomoqetiko plaisio poy qa sthrizetai se ena nomo, pote problepetai h ypologizetai na proxwrhsei h kataqesh toy nomosxedioy aytoy sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti qa ginei se syntomotato xroniko diasthma...

KIAOS: An mporeite na to prosdiorisete, ennow.

REPPAS: Ayto -to eipa kai allh fora- einai synarthsh twn diadikasiwn poy qa epilejoyme. O paragontas xronos einai amesa syndedemenos me to poia diadikasia qa akoloyqhqei. Mporw na pw ayth thn wra oti entos toy Ioynioy emeis qa exoyme ena plhres plaisio, mia protash poy qa exei th morfh sxedioy nomoy kai sth bash ayths ths protashs, kaqe endiaferomenos, alla kai oloi oi foreis, qa klhqoyn na anaptyjoyn tis apoceis toys, na diatypwsoyn tis qeseis toys, wste na proxwrhsoyme s` ayth th drasthriopoihsh, pleon, se enan tomea toso neyralgiko, toso krisimo, toso shmantiko, alla kai proklhtiko taytoxrona, doqentos oti kai sthn Eyrwph yparxei o problhmatismos poy diakatexei kai emas. To Dhmosio kai oi foreis syzhtoyn ayta ta qemata, prokeimenoy na ginoyn oi kalyteres dynates orioqethseis kai to nomiko ayto plaisio na einai apotelesmatiko.

KIAOS: Mporw na ypoqesw oti otan qa erqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh qa ginei kai syzhthsh kai tote qa apanthsei h Kybernhsh s` ayto poy zhthsane o k. Tsobolas kai o k. Mhtsotakhs gia to qema h endexomenws na ginei kai nwritera syzhthsh;

REPPAS: Oi koinoboyleytikes diadikasies ejelissontai me bash ta osa problepei o kanonismos ths Boylhs. Pantote h Kybernhsh einai sth diaqesh twn synadelfwn na syzhthsei qemata ths epikairothtas. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, yparxei kai o kybernhtikos programmatismos, sto plaisio toy opoioy qa syzhthsoyme kai ayto to qema, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme mia telikh morfh sto radiothleoptiko xwro, oson afora, eidikotera pleon, thn chfiakh/doryforikh-syndromhtikh thleorash.

KIAOS: Na ypologisei kaneis oti apo th stigmh poy ton Ioynio qa eisaste etoimoi ws Kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Ekana mia ektimhsh...

KIAOS: Gia ektimhsh kai egw, lew. An mporei na ypologisei kaneis oti entos toy qeroys me ta qerina tmhmata ths Boylhs, qa exei chfistei o nomos h pame sto fqinopwro;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti to mporoyme ayto. Ejartatai apo th diaqesh olwn twn paragontwn, twn allwn kommatwn kai twn forewn poy exoyn logo gi` ayto to qema, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme sthn chfish toy nomoy.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Qelw na rwthsw an to nomoqetiko plaisio prin to kataqesei h Kybernhsh sth Boylh qa to syzhthsei me ta ypoloipa kommata;

REPPAS: Qa akoloyqhqei h kanonikh diadikasia. Asfalws, qa to syzhthsoyme me toys foreis kai qa laboyme ypoch tis qeseis toys. To exw pei ayto.

KIAOS: Exete pei, allwste, kai gia thn ESHEA, thn POESY kai ta alla swmateia...

REPPAS: Milhsa, loipon, shmera gia foreis. Qa kanoyme ta panta, wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh yponoia oti prospaqoyme dia ths plagias odoy, na prowqhsoyme ena qema to opoio einai para poly shmantiko. Lypoymai giati oi kathgories oi opoies diatypwnontai me tropo astoxasto apo ta alla kommata, peran toy oti den einai dikaiologhmenes, apodeiknyoyn kai mia pantelh elleich gnwshs toy qematos. Den einai oti den exoyn qeseis ta alla kommata h oi alloi politikoi. Alla, o tropos me ton opoio miloyn moy dinei shmera th dynatothta na pw oti den gnwrizoyn to sygkekrimeno qema. Arkoyntai se "korwnes", ektojeyoyn genikes kathgories. Den exw dei mia oloklhrwmenh protash, enw to diko mas plaisio qesewn to gnwrizete, exei ginei gnwsto kai syntomotata qa exoyme th dynatothta, pali ws prwtoporoi, na diatypwsoyme ena plhres sxedio nomoy.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete kaqe logo eseis na aisqaneste eyxaristhmenos. Omws, epitrecte moy mia parathrhsh. Ta kommata, toylaxiston dyo apo ta koinoboyleytika kommata poy gnwrizw egw plhn kybernwntos, h Nea Dhmokratia kai o Synaspismos, sas lene akribws ayto poy toys lete eseis: "Ftiajte plaisio kai nomo kai meta dwste opoies adeies einai na dwsete". Synepws, to oti sas kanoyn mia kritikh h oxi, einai kai sta plaisio ths antipoliteyshs.

REPPAS: Symfwnw apolytws. Ayth einai h apanthsh poy dinw.

MIXAHL: Qelw, loipon, na sas kanw thn ejhs erwthsh: Ean mexri tote chfistei o nomos aytos kai teqei se leitoyrgia, opoiosdhpote qelhsei na ekpemcei, estw kai dokimastiko shma, qa einai paranomos h oxi;

REPPAS: Prwta-prwta efoson den yparxei egkekrimenh diadikasia, opoiadhpote tetoia drasthriothta den einai nomimh. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na sas pw oti h ERT -kai etsi apodeiknyontas thn kalh pisth ths, para tis kathgories poy diatypwnontai- exei dwsei th dynatothta ekpomphs, se peiramatiko epipedo, enos tetoioy programmatos. Ayto, hdh, ginetai kai sthn Ellada kai polloi to agnooyn. Kai ginetai giati h ERT to exei epitrecei. Epeidh, akribws, exei egkriqei h ekpomph enos tetoioy programmatos se peiramatiko epipedo, prokeimenoy na ejetasqoyn texnikhs fysews qemata.

MOYRTZHS: Kykloforoyn eikasies kai plhrofories oti o Ellhnikos Organismos Typopoihshs (ELOT) epejergazetai kanonistiko plaisio gia toys chfiakoys doryforikoys apokwdikopoihtes poy mporoyn na kykloforhsoyn sthn Ellada. Alhqeyei, ontws, ayth h plhroforia;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn dyo qemata: To prwto afora koinotikh odhgia, pros thn opoia prepei na symmorfwqoyme. Kai pragmati me Proedriko Diatagma poy exei katartisei to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn, enarmonizetai to eqniko dikaio me thn koinotikh nomoqesia oson afora ta koina protypa stis texnologies efarmoghs, en prokeimenw stoys apokwdikopoihtes. To Proedriko ayto Diatagma, symfwna me ta osa problepei kai h koinotikh odhgia, orizei to plaisio, to opoio prepei na threitai, gia thn anaptyjh, me sebasmo se ayta ta koina texnologika protypa, tetoiwn drasthriothtwn. Thn paragwgh, dhladh, aytwn twn ejarthmatwn kai th diaqesh toys sthn agora. To allo qema einai to ejhs: O ELOT -kai kaqe xwra exei kapoia antistoixh diadikasia- qa prepei na orisei tis texnikes prodiagrafes gia to logismiko enos apokwdikopoihth, wste na ton katasthsei filiko kai symbato me ola ta systhmata, sta opoia mporei o katanalwths na exei prosbash. Ayth einai mia allh diadikasia. Yparxoyn ayth thn wra sthn Eyrwph epta systhmata, qa elega. Den einai bebaio oti exontas apokwdikopoihth me prodiagrafes toy enos systhmatos exeis prosbash stis yphresies poy parexei apokwdikopoihths poy anhkei se ena allo systhma. H prospaqeia poy ginetai sthn Eyrwph -kai prepei na sas pw oti einai terastia prospaqeia, xwris, mexri ayth thn wra, telika apotelesmata- katateinei sto na dhmioyrghqoyn koina texnologika protypa, wste me enan apokwdikopoihth, apla me thn allagh ths "ejypnhs kartas" poy dexetai o apokwdikopoihths na mporei o katanalwths, o syndromhths na exei prosbash se ola anejairetws ta systhmata, giati ayto einai pros to symferon toy katanalwth. Ayto, akribws, einai kati poy apasxolei kai emas. Ayth einai mia ergasia poy prepei na kanei o ELOT, epeidh se ayton apeyqynqhke to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Kai apeyqynqhke s' ayton epeidh einai o armodios organismos. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Den exei kamia sxesh -epeidh blepw kai tetoia sxolia- me diadikasies xronobores h me th diaqesh na prokycei kapoia kainoyrgia kaqysterhsh. Einai kati to opoio -anefera to paradeigma ths kinhths thlefwnias kai twn thlefwnikwn syskeywn mporw na anaferw kai alla paradeigmata- prepei na kanoyme kai sto sygkekrimeno tomea. Epanalambanw oti ayta einai qemata poy syzhtoyntai sthn Eyrwph.

KIAOS: Poly ejeidikeymena, poly eidika qemata.

REPPAS: Exete dikio, k. Kiao, poly eidika qemata, alla exw ki egw enan peirasmo, giati exoyme doylecei ki egw kai oi synergates moy poly gi ayto to qema, para poly. Kai exoyme ena plaisio poy den gnwrizw an yparxei kapoy alloy me tetoia plhrothta, opws ayth sthn opoia exoyme fqasei emeis. Den qelw na dwsw keimena sth dhmosiothta, einai qema ligwn hmerwn.

KARAGIANNH: Ejetazei h Kybernhsh to endexomeno mh symmetoxhs toy Dhmosioy, dhladh eite ths ERT, eite toy OTE, sto systhma ayto ths doryforikhs-chfiakhs thleorashs. Kai gia na milhsw pio sygkekrimena, erwtw an einai yparkto to endexomeno ekxwrhshs toy apokleistikoy pronomioy ths ERT, enanti oikonomikoy antallagmatos, wste na mh symmetexei to Dhmosio.

REPPAS: Ayth einai mia diadikasia h opoia einai endexomenh. Epiqymia dikh mas einai foreis, oi opoio briskontai ypo thn epopteia toy Dhmosioy -afoy to Dhmosio einai o apokleistikos h o megalos metoxos twn forewn aytwn- na exoyn symmetoxh s' ayth th nea drasthriothta. Alla, to qema ayto qa to antimetwpisoyn oi Dioikhseis twn Organismwn sto plaisio ths dikhs toys aytonomhs leitoyrgias, afoy ejetasoyn afenos ta dedomena ths agoras kai afeteroy afoy ektimhsoyn tis dynatothtes toy dikoy toys Organismoy. Den einai dynaton na epibaleis synergasies, den einai dynaton na anaptyjeis aytonoma drasthriothtes, an den ejasfalizontai orismenes proypoqeseis. Ayto poy qetete einai ena poly megalo qema. Emeis, bebaiws, epiqymoyme thn paroysia twn forewn. Alla h paroysia aytwn twn forewn den mporei na einai ejw apo kapoioys kanones h xwris oroys, toys opoioys kanones kai oroys, sto plaisio twn krithriwn twn idiwn twn Organismwn, qa ejetasoyn kai qa apofasisoyn oi epikefalhs twn Organismwn.

FASOYLAS: Me dhlwseis toy shmera sthn "PRWINH" ths Neas Yorkhs, o prwhn Arxhgos GEEQA, k. Berybakhs, kataggellei oti h Ellada kindyneyei na xasei edafh xwris polemo. Qa hqela s' ayth thn kataggelia toy prwhn Arxhgoy GEEQA ena diko sas sxolio.

REPPAS: Den kindyneyei. Oyte kata dianoia.

SOYGLERHS: Yparxei qema paraithshs toy k. Kasimath...

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes. Den tiqetai tetoio qema. Aplws o k. Kasimaths epeidh einai sth baqmida toy Taktikoy Kaqhghth kai einai plhroys apasxolhshs me diatajeis toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias -opws kai para polloi alloi Akadhmaikoi poy exoyn ayton akribws ton titlo- exei kapoio problhma symmetoxhs se alla ejwpanepisthmiaka organa. Prokyptoyn kapoia qemata, oson afora ta syntajiodotika dikaiwmata toys. Elpizoyme na ta antimetwpisoyn, wste kai o k. Kasimaths, toy opoioy o rolos einai para poly qetikos kai krinetai xrhsimo na parameinei sth qesh toy kai na oloklhrwsei to ergo poy toy exei anateqei, na synexisei to ergo toy ayto, xwris opoiadhpote tetoia empodia.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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