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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Maioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela, prin akoysw tis erwthseis sas, na kanw dyo sxolia. To ena afora tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Toyrkias k. Ntemirel kai to allo dhlwseis paragontwn ths Neas Dhmokratias.

* Oson afora to prwto qema, exw na pw ta ejhs: H Toyrkia antimetwpizei sto eswteriko ths terastia problhmata. Einai gnwsto to texnasma na epidiwkei na apoprosanatolizei thn koinh gnwmh ths xwras apo alla qemata eswterikhs politikhs. H Ellada apotelei gia thn Toyrkia monimo stoxo epiqetikwn epidiwjewn kai stoxo ths proklhtikhs stashs ths Toyrkias, h opoia apotelei pleon kanona symperiforas sto plaisio ths askoymenhs apo thn Toyrkia ejwterikhs politikhs. H Toyrkia qetei stoxoys toys opoioys den epitygxanei. H Toyrkia dhmioyrgei pedia sta opoia zhtei th dikaiwsh ths kai den th briskei. Ayto to elleimma epidiwkei na to kalycei di` aytoy toy tropoy. Pisteyoyme oti telikws ginetai dieqnws pleon paradekto oti h Toyrkia apotelei enan apostaqeropoihtiko paragonta, o opoios me alazonikoys logoys kai me symperifora epiqetikh kai proklhtikh dhmioyrgei problhmata xwris, opws ypoxreoytai, na symbalei sto elaxisto, prokeimenoy na diasfalistei ena klima eirhnhs, staqerothtas kai asfaleias sthn perioxh. Aytos o alazonikos logos, ayth h pompwdhs symperifora, fanerwnei anasfaleies kai astaqeia, para martyra dynamh.

* Oson afora dhlwseis ekproswpwn kai paragontwn ths Neas Dhmokratias gia qemata ths epikairothtas, exw na pw oti: H Nea Dhmokratia paraithqhke fainetai oristika apo thn prospaqeia ths na aposafhnisei tis qeseis ths, diatypwnontas epiteloys ena programma, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ths xwras. Gi` ayto katafeygei kai pali sth syntagh ths skandalologias kai ths skandaloqhrias. H syntagh ayth martyra me ton kalytero tropo thn adynamia ths Neas Dhmokratias na antipoliteytei thn Kybernhsh me eyqynh, sobarothta kai programmatikes qeseis. Deixnei pws epeleje na gyrisei to rolo ths politikhs istorias kai pali pisw. Zoyme sto `98, qa pame sto `99 me polles elpides gia thn patrida mas kai to lao mas, enocei toy 21oy aiwna. Den prokeitai na gyrisoyme sto '89, giati ayto den to epitrepei oyte o laos, poy den qelei mia nea ejapathsh toy, oyte h politikh istoria, h opoia den qa anexqei mia nea geloiopoihsh ths.

Gnwrizete oti gia seira qematwn, megalwn h mikrwn, poy aforoyn th xwra kai toys polites, h Kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies kai askei politikh kai paragei ergo. Antiqetws, h Nea Dhmokratia sxoliazei, parakoloyqwntas asqmainoysa tis prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs, xwris pote mexri twra na exei analabei prwtoboylia na anadeijei ena qema kai epi toy qematos aytoy na diatypwsei me leptomerh, safh kai analytiko tropo tis apoceis ths kai tis programmatikes ths qeseis. Ayto deixnei politikh kai ideologikh endoia. Deixnei adynamia. Deixnei elleich eyqynhs. Telikws h Nea Dhmokratia ekxeilizei apo dhmagwgia kai skandalologia. O dromos aytos, ton opoio fainetai oti oristika epeleje gia na antipoliteytei thn Kybernhsh, einai adiejodos kai gia thn idia.

Ayta eisagwgikws apo thn pleyra moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish mono, gia to teleytaio sxolio poy kanate.

REPPAS: Meta th synedriash ths Epitrophs Diafaneias ths Neas Dhmokratias eginan diafores dhlwseis gia qemata ths epikairothtas. Epishs, diaforoi paragontes ths Neas Dhmokratias exoyn kanei dhlwseis oson afora qemata politikhs sygkyrias. Hqela na kanw ayto to geniko politiko sxolio. Mporw epi twn qematwn ta opoia eseis qa qesete, na dwsw apanthseis oi opoies qa einai pio ejeidikeymenes.

MIXAHL: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate oti h Nea Dhmokratia prospaqei na gyrisei to roloi pisw sthn istoria kai oti to `99 den qa ginei `89. Anaferetai h kritikh sas ayth pros oles tis politikes dynameis poy tote synetelesan h mono pros th Nea Dhmokratia, giati h kritikh sas ayth apeyqynetai kai pros thn pleyra toy Synaspismoy.

REPPAS: Anaferetai stis dynameis ekeines oi opoies den exoyn didaxqei apo thn empeiria. Gnwrizete poia einai h empeiria ayth. Pisteyoyme oti htan arketa didaktikh gia oloys. Panw ap` ola gia ton ellhniko lao kai gia ton topo xreiazetai na ajiopoihqei ayth h didaktikh empeiria kai na mhn epanalaboyn ta laqh toy parelqontos, opoioi ta ekanan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia poia skandala ths Neas Dhmokratias lete; Se poia anafereste;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia th skandalologia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den milhsa gia skandala. Gia skandala milhse h Nea Dhmokratia, oi ekproswpoi ths. Kai den yparxoyn skandala. An yparxoyn skandala, qa prepei na stoixeioqethqei h qesh ayth, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn analogws, an yparxoyn. Alla h Nea Dhmokratia fantasiwnetai, prokeimenoy di` aytoy toy tropoy na exei thn ikanopoihsh oti einai politika paroysa stis ejelijeis. Den einai, omws, anohtos o ellhnikos laos, afoy diapistwnei ayto to keno programmatos kai politikwn qesewn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai to diapistwnei otan h Nea Dhmokratia mono mesw logwn kai synqhmatwn einai paroysa stis ejelijeis. Ayto einai kati, to opoio pisteyw oti apotelei koinh pepoiqhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono h Nea Dhmokratia ta leei ayta; Den diabazete tis teleytaies hmeres ti grafoyn synexeia oi efhmerides;

REPPAS: Pws den tis diabazw. Kai blepw oti polles fores oi efhmerides ...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy tis diabazete ..

REPPAS: Qa milhsoyme gia ola ayta, an qelete. Mporeite na qesete sygkekrimenes erwthseis gia na parete sygkekrimenes apanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den diabazete oti yparxei skandalo sto "Jysto", sth Flwrina, sthn Olympiakh Aeroporia, se polla alla;

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite para poly. Poios exei to tekmhrio ths ajiopistias h ths eilikrineias se ena baqmo eidiko, pronomiako, megalytero en pash periptwsei apo kapoioys alloys, opws einai h Kybernhsh, opws einai ta stelexh ths, opws einai o omilwn, wste ayto to opoio leei ekeinos na qewreitai qesfato h na einai to antikrysma ths alhqeias, se sxesh me ayta poy leei kapoios allos h egw; Epeidh kapoios eipe ayto to opoio eipe, shmainei aytomatws oti milhse th glwssa ths alhqeias; Giati ayto to dexeste san na einai o kanonas ston tropo me ton opoio syzhtoyme kai antimetwpizoyme ta qemata ths xwras;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri kai oi boyleytes toy PASOK exoyn jeshkwqei kai exoyn kanei erwthseis gi` ayta ta skandala.

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes toy PASOK, oi opoioi sthrizoyn ayth thn Kybernhsh sthn terastia prospaqeia poy kanei gia na antimetwpisei ta qemata toy topoy, exoyn thn eyqynh ola ta qemata na ta proseggizoyn me tropo poy deixnei kai eyaisqhsia kai endiaferon kai problhmatismo, alla panw ap` ola apodeiknyei thn politikh empistosynh poy trefoyn, sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na odhghsei ton topo se mia nea epoxh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati teleytaio: Giati den apodexeste thn protash ths Neas Dhmokratias gia anejarthto Organismo Promhqeiwn olwn twn ergwn k.lp.;

REPPAS: Exoyme syzhthsei ayto to qema kat` epanalhch. H qesh mas einai safws diatypwmenh. Qa apanthsw, epeidh exw analytika milhsei gi` ayto to qema, me mia erwthsh: Giati h Nea Dhmokratia ejanagkase se apoxwrhsh toys ekproswpoys ths apo tis Diakommatikes Epitropes, oi opoies eixan dhmioyrghqei; Diakommatikes Epitropes oi opoies apodeixqhke oti einai apotelesmatikes, afoy ypo ton elegxo -opoy ayto epiballetai- toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gia promhqeies h erga ychlhs ajias lambanontai grhgora oi apofaseis, me apotelesma kai erga na ekteloyntai kai promhqeies na prowqoyntai kai yparxei proodos: Ejasfalizetai apasxolhsh, ayjanetai to eqniko eisodhma, eksygxronizetai h xwra Poios einai o logos poy odhghse mia paratajh na mhn einai paroysa s` ayth th diadikasia, h opoia einai diafanhs, einai antikeimenikh kai sthn opoia h Nea Dhmokratia dexqhke na labei meros, otan jekinhse h diadikasia ayth; Alla se ena allo stadio epeleje thn apoxwrhsh twn ekproswpwn ths, gia logoys profaneis. Eixame epishmanei apo tote, edw kai para poly kairo, oti o stoxos ths Neas Dhmokratias den einai na prowqhsei kanones diafaneias, alla na skandalologhsei. Kai ena prwto bhma -to prwto skalopati- gia na anaptyjei ayth thn politikh ths, einai h aposyrsh twn ekproswpwn ths apo tis Diakommatikes Epitropes, prokeimenoy na amfisbhthsei to rolo twn Diakommatikwn Epitropwn kai na eleeinologei meta gia to ypopto dhqen ths leitoyrgias twn Epitropwn aytwn. Enw stis Epitropes symmetexoyn ekproswpoi kai allwn kommatwn kai oi Epitropes aytes exoyn apodeixqei apotelesmatikes.

KARAGIANNH: Me dedomeno oti to teleytaio diasthma diamorfwnetai kai apo ta Mesa Enhmerwshs ena klima mias perirreoysas atmosfairas adiafaneias se o,ti afora symbaseis megalwn ergwn, qa hqela thn ektimhsh ths Kybernhshs, thn apoch ths Kybernhshs : Poy to apodidete ayto to pragma kai me dedomeno oti eseis eipate pws den symbainei tipota ap' osa h N.D. kataggellei;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh leitoyrgei me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Stoxos mas einai na prosferoyme yphresies ston polith. Ta idiwtika oikonomika symferonta epidiwkoyn to kerdos kai syxnotata to epidiwkoyn me enan tropo poy den einai panta qemitos. Logiko einai otan dhmioyrgoyntai kanones h yparxei ena plaisio entos toy opoioy prepei oloi na kinhqoyn, gia na diekdikhsoyn ayto poy qewroyn oti toys anhkei, kapoioi na enoxloyntai. Pisteyoyme oti to plaisio einai plhres, einai asfales, prepei na threitai, na ginetai sebasto apo oloys, gia na yparxoyn kanones ygioys antagwnismoy s` ayth thn koinwnia kai bebaiws na diasfalizetai h diafaneia. Nomizw oti to fainomeno ayto einai symfyto me thn anaptyjh ths epixeirhmatikhs drasthriothtas . Edw kai para polla xronia exoyme analoga fainomena. Ta fainomena ayta den qa pacoyn, oso yparxei h anqrwpinh drasthriothta, h epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Pisteyw, omws, oti ayto poy apotelei to gewmetriko topo ston opoio oloi qa synanthqoyme, einai oi arxes, oi kanones basei twn opoiwn prepei na anaptyssetai ayth h drasthriothta, wste na mhn wfeloyntai monon oi idiwtes, alla me to ergo toys na prosferoyn sto kratos, sto dhmosio kai stoys polites yphresies, prokeimenoy etsi na ejyphreteitai, telikws, panw apo oloys o idios o poliths.

KIAOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw ti apantate se sygkekrimenes erwthseis toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy: sto "Jysto", sto qema twn pwlhsewn Trapezwn kai sto qema ths chfiakhs thleorashs kai ths enarmonishs me thn E.E.

REPPAS: Oi dhlwseis toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy aphxoyn tis qeseis toy kommatos toy gia ta sygkekrimena qemata sta opoia exw dwsei apanthseis. Gia thn chfiakh thleorash milhsa leptomerws xqes. Oson afora to "Jysto" o k. Drys exei dwsei, epishs, leptomereis apanthseis se ola ta sxetika qemata ta opoia kai edw syzhthsame. Oson afora to programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn stoys koinwfeleis organismoys, einai se ejelijh. To exoyme anakoinwsei. Synanta antidraseis meridas twn ergazomenwn. Den einai eykolh h prospaqeia, einai omws ametakinhth h boylhsh mas na oloklhrwsoyme thn prospaqeia ayth, giati pisteyoyme oti einai pros to symferon ths xwras, enocei toy 21oy aiwna.

KIAOS: H "ELEYQEROTYPIA" grafei shmera oti h Dieyqynsh Forologias Kefalaioy, toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn apo ton Aygoysto toy 1996 eixe ypodeijei na prosfygei to qema sth diaithsia gia to "Jysto".

REPPAS: Akoyste: To 1995 h Kybernhsh, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn sygkekrimena, prosefyge sth diaithsia, qetontas ws qema thn ypoxrewsh toy anadoxoy na apodidei ta xrhmata ta opoia analogoyn sto Dhmosio entos xronikoy diasthmatos 30 hmerwn. O anadoxos me th dikh toy protash, zhthse h ypoxrewsh toy ayth na anaferetai se xroniko diasthma 60-75 hmerwn, diasthma entos toy opoioy qa eprepe na apodwsei sto Dhmosio ta analoga xrhmatika posa. H Diaithsia apofasise ta xrhmatika posa na apodidontai se diasthma 60 hmerwn. Htan mia apofash h opoia enoxlhse thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, giati eqese emmesws ena -an qelete- epishmo eggrafo sth diaqesh toy anadoxoy na isxyrizetai oti h symbash, etsi opws einai diatypwmenh, efarmozetai apo th dikh toy pleyra. Otan mia symbash einai atelhs, einai elliphs, exei asafeies, skopimes h oxi, antilambaneste pws kai h efarmogh ths qa synanta para polla problhmata. Me ayto to prohgoymeno h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn qewrhse pws den eprepe na prosfygei sth Diaithsia gia ena qema poy afora -kai einai sygkekrimeno ke Kiao to qema- thn egkatastash aytoy toy hlektronikoy diktyoy, poy qa pistopoiei thn egkyrothta oson afora thn apodosh twn xrhmatikwn poswn stoys dikaioyxoys. Giati h sygkekrimenh symbash sto arqro 18 par.2, leei safws oti o anadoxos dikaioytai na anaptyjei ayto to systhma, alla den ypoxreoytai. Ektimhse to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn oti den qa eprepe na probei se mia tetoia prwtoboylia, gia na mh dwsei kai pali -me bash thn empeiria ths prohgoymenhs prosfyghs- th dynatothta na ekdoqei ena epishmo eggrafo, mia typikh pleon apofash enos tritoy organoy, poy qa enisxyei th qesh toy anadoxoy. Giati; Giati h Kybernhsh, gnwrizontas aytes tis ateleies kai tis adynamies ths symbashs, exontas ypoch na proxwrhsei se diapragmateysh newn orwn gia th symbash ayth, den hqele na katasthsei th qesh ths pio asqenh, opws htan hdh asqenhs me bash ta osa problepei h symbash poy ypegrafh tis paramones twn eklogwn toy 1993.

KIAOS: Epishs qelw na sas rwthsw, ti apantate ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos s' ayto poy eipe o Ypoyrgos Politismoy kai armodios apo thn Kybernhsh sta qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn 2004, otan leei oti oysiastika o Fakelos twn agwnwn einai antiqetos me to Syntagma kai sygkekrimena otan eipe oti "allo pragma einai katartizw ena Fakelo ypochfiothtas kai allo h xwroqethsh enos ergoy, opws apaitei to Syntagma kai h ellhnikh nomoqesia".

REPPAS: Epanalambanw ayta ta opoia eipe o k. Benizelos. Ta prosypografw plhrws.

KIAOS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, dhladh, pws symbibazetai kai pws dexetai h Kybernhsh na einai allo pragma ayto poy diafhmisthke ws "teleios Fakelos" -poy epeblhqh den jerw apo poioys, apo th D.O.E., apo alles skopimothtes- kai allo na anagnwrizetai twra oti den einai symfwna kai symbato me to Syntagma kai toys Nomoys kai ara qa allajoyn. Ti symbainei dhladh;

REPPAS: O Fakelos den diafhmisthke ws "teleios fakelos". Mporw na pw omws oti htan teleios fakelos, an mporei na yparjei teleios fakelos h en pash periptwsei htan o kalyteros fakelos kai ayto epaije to rolo toy, prokeimenoy na analaboyme thn diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004 kai den prepei na to parablepete. Oson afora twra tis ypoxrewseis poy exoyme, einai ypoxrewsh kai ths Kybernhshs sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn poy mas parexontai, na laboyme apofaseis h na kanoyme kinhseis kai xeirismoys, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to kalytero dynaton gia ton topo, gia toys Ellhnes kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Na mhn traymatisoyme to periballon, na kanoyme ta erga me enan tropo o opoios qa exei xamhlotero kostos, na bohqhsoyme wste h dhmioyrgia aytwn twn egkatastasewn na prosferetai kai gia ajiopoihsh toys meta to telos twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, pragmata ta opoia eixan problefqei sto Fakelo. Omws, pantote ypo to fws mias neas ejelijhs twn pragmatwn, me bash ta nea dedomena, mporeis na kaneis beltiwtikes kinhseis oi opoies einai epibeblhmenes. Giati ayto einai pros kathgoria;

KIAOS: Aploystata rwthsa: H anatroph toy fakeloy ...

REPPAS: Den yparxei anatroph. Yparxei, ekei poy xreiazetai kai epitrepetai, mia beltiwsh, mia ejeidikeysh, poy deixnei ton ypeyqyno tropo me ton opoion proseggizoyme kai ayto to qema.

KACAMPELHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, an exete shmera na mas peite kati neotero gia to xronodiagramma se sxesh me thn chfiakh thleorash, deyteron, an o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei sthn epistolh poy elabe apo toys pente ekdotes kai triton, an exoyn doqei entoles na kleinoyn akoma kai thleoptikoi staqmoi sthn perifereia, poy exoyn ypobalei fakelo gia adeia leitoyrgias;

REPPAS: Qesate tria qemata. Oson afora to prwto: Den einai dynaton na prosdiorisoyme, shmera, sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Kai den eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na to kanoyme. Apo thn allh qa htan epipolaio na to kanoyme, doqentos oti prepei na prohghqei mia diadikasia syzhthsewn sto plaisio kybernhtikwn organwn, alla kai sto plaisio ths ypoxrewshs poy exoyme na syzhthsoyme me toys alloys foreis, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se sygkekrimenes apofaseis gia to qema. Oson afora to deytero: Asfalws, o Prwqypoyrgos apanta stis epistoles poy dexetai. Kai qa apanthsei. Oson afora to trito qema: Gnwrizete oti einai se ejelijh, brisketai se ena poly krisimo stadio, h diadikasia gia thn paraxwrhsh adeias leitoyrgias thleoptikoy staqmoy se olh thn Ellada. H diadikasia ayth einai prwtognwrh gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Ligo kairo prin den yphrxe oyte enas, isws, s` ayto ton topo poy qa pisteye oti qa tolmoysame na proxwrhsoyme sthn aposafhnish toy radiothleoptikoy topioy. Ki omws, proxwroyme. Egw, me epistolh pros toys genikoys grammateis perifereiwn, edw kai arketes hmeres, zhthsa synergazomenoi me tis topikes eisaggelikes kai astynomikes arxes, na proxwrhsoyn sthn paysh leitoyrgias thleoptikwn staqmwn, oi opoioi den eixan labei meros s` aythn th diagwnistikh diadikasia. Den eixan, dhladh, kataqesei ypochfiothta. Oi logoi einai profaneis. Kai pisteyw oti symfwneite pws ayth einai mia epibeblhmenh kinhsh, afoy oi staqmoi aytoi den ekdhlwsan kan endiaferon na kriqoyn kai na diekdikhsoyn na laboyn adeia. Eisaggeleis, se sygkekrimenes perioxes ths xwras, phran thn prwtoboylia -nomimh kaq' ola h prwtoboylia ayth, den mporw epi toy qematos aytoy na kanw politiko sxoliasmo- kai dietajan thn paysh leitoyrgias olwn twn perifereiakwn kai topikwn thleoptikwn staqmwn ths sygkekrimenhs perioxhs, epeidh den exoyn adeia nomimhs leitoyrgias. Ma, ayto einai to megalo problhma sthn Ellada ki ayto prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme. Dhmioyrghqhke, pragmati, ena problhma se orismenes perioxes. Eipa, apantwntas se sxetikh eperwthsh sth Boylh, otan eteqh, metajy allwn, ki ayto to qema, oti exw labei apofash kai me diatajh nomoy eyqys ws oi koinoboyleytikes diadikasies to epitrecoyn, qa dwsoyme adeia nomimhs leitoyrgias se oloys toys staqmoys, oi opoioi exoyn labei meros s` aythn th diagwnistikh diadikasia. Kai mono s' aytoys. Ypo thn proypoqesh, bebaia, oti den ekpempoyn programma se syxnothtes, oi opoies xrhsimopoioyntai apo eyaisqhtoys tomeis toy Dhmosioy, opws einai h Eqnikh Amyna h h Politikh Aeroporia. Kai, bebaiws, analambanoyn oles tis desmeyseis kai tis ypoxrewseis stis opoies qa prepei na antapokriqoyn. Kai qa krinontai, prokeimenoy ki ayto na apotelesei ena stoixeio sto plaisio ayths ths diagwnistikhs diadikasias. Qa krinetai, dhladh, h symperifora thn opoia qa epideijoyn, sebomenoi th deontologia kai antapokrinomenoi stis oikonomikes ypoxrewseis poy analambanoyn. Ayto einai to qema, to opoio qesate kai sas apanthsa, synoptika men, alla kai me kaqe dynath leptomereia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy kopteste toso poly gia th diafaneia, giati den pernate tis symbaseis apo th Boylh;

REPPAS: Htan dikh mas prwtoboylia na idryqei sth Boylh h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Kai sthn Epitroph ayth syzhtoyntai ta panta, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me th diafanh leitoyrgia twn qesmwn sthn patrida mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo th Boylh, giati den perase;

REPPAS: Ola ayta deixnoyn mia amhxania kai adynamia twn allwn politikwn dynamewn na parakoloyqhsoyn to kybernhtiko ergo. Th mia mas kathgoroyn oti qeloyme na metabaloyme th Boylh se "plynthrio" paranomwn energeiwn. Ara, kata thn apoch toys, den prepei symbaseis diaforwn eidwn na eisagontai sth Boylh. Allazoyn qesh argotera kai lene, oti oi symbaseis prepei na erxontai sth Boylh kai na syzhtoyntai. Ayto deixnei, qa moy epitrecete na pw, pantelh elleich politikhs, alla ki eyqynhs. Giati einai gnwsth h empeiria toy `89. Einai dedomeno oti exoyme na antimetwpisoyme sygkekrimena qemata kai prepei na ta antimetwpisoyme me tropo epeigonta, wste na exoyme to syntomotero dynato apotelesmata, kai na mhn filologoyme aplws peri ta problhmata. Oi politikes aytes dynameis allazoyn kaqe fora tis qeseis toys, kinoymenes ws "anemomyloi", analogws twn anemwn ths sygkyrias, xwris na exoyn staqerh politikh. Emeis akoloyqoyme thn politikh mas poy einai ypeyqynh, einai plhrhs kai einai kai apotelesmatikh. Epiteloys, o ellhnikos laos prepei na dei apotelesmata. Kai pisteyoyme oti me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme prosferoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia mas, qa erqei h wra na kriqoyme gia to synolo toy ergoy, apo ta apotelesmata toy ergoy mas kai oxi mono apo to ti eipame ston ellhniko lao. Tote -egw exw empistosynh sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy- edw qa eimaste kai qa syzhthsoyme ta sxetika qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOYS: Emena den me endiaferei ti kanoyn oi politikes dynameis kai ti lene ta kommata. Rwtaw, tis symbaseis giati den tis pernate apo th Boylh; Egw rwtaw.

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto to qema. Yparxei plaisio kanonwn, to opoio isxyei, einai plhres kai apotelesmatiko.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela to sxolio ths Kybernhshs gia thn protash toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy gia Kybernhsh synergasias.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den antimetwpizei tetoio qema.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, me dedomenh th qesh ths Kybernhshs, an katalabame kala apo th Boylh, oti to arqro 16 den qa anaqewrhqei. Den qa syzhthqei; Ti qa ginei me to kaqestws twn diaforwn dhqen panepisthmiwn h panepisthmiwn, an parameinei h qesh ayth ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Kybernhshs paramenei idia, den allazei. To sygkekrimeno qema mas exei apasxolhsei kai mas apasxolei. Pragmatika, dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata, ta opoia den einai dynaton na agnohsoyme. Alla, thn wra ayth poy syzhtoyme, tis ypo anaqewrhsh diatajeis toy Syntagmatos, den antimetwpizoyme ws Kybernhsh mia allagh ths qeshs, h opoia sas einai gnwsth. Me ayth th qesh paramenoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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