Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-05-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Maioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin jekinhsoyme thn enhmerwsh, qa hqela na apanthsw se ena erwthma poy exei qesei h ka Koyroynis, sxetika me to an yphrje kakometaxeirish apo astynomikoys newn tsigganwn sthn perioxh toy Mesologgioy. H apanthsh sto qema ayto einai oti exei epilhfqei h Kybernhsh, exei diataxqei ereyna apo ton Arxhgo ths Astynomias, prokeimenoy na doyme pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata. Oson afora thn politikh ths Kybernhshs apenanti stoys tsigganoys periorizomai na anaferqw sthn "karta maqhtoy", thn opoia edw kai para poly kairo exoyme qespisei. Epeidh, opws gnwrizete, ta tsigganopoyla zoyn nomadika me toys goneis toys -metakinoyntai apo perioxh se perioxh- den einai eykolo na parakoloyqhsoyn ta maqhmata. Me ayth thn karta exoyn th dynatothta na synexizoyn tis spoydes toys apo to ena sxoleio sto allo. Opws, epishs, para polles einai oi prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei se pragmatiko, alla kai symboliko epipedo. Qymizw oti sta kalanta poy ecallan fetos ston Prwqypoyrgo, metajy twn allwn, eixame kai mia omada mikrwn newn tsigganwn. H Ellhnikh Astynomia, gia na apodwsoyme kai ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari, to Pasxa, sth Qessalonikh, moirase dwra sta mikra tsigganopoyla. Yparxei h storgh ths Politeias, yparxei endiaferon. Sthn Ellada ta qemata ayta antimetwpizontai me enan tropo, o opoios einai paremferhs me th symperifora kai twn allwn kratwn sthn Eyrwph, oson afora ta dikaiwmata koinwnikwn omadwn h meionothtwn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOGIANNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh tis xqesinobradines dhlwseis toy Ekproswpoy toy Steit Ntipartment, me tis opoies oysiastika epimerizei tis eyqynes gia to nayagio ths prospaqeias toy k. Xolmproyk metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw an antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Exw, omws, ypoch moy pws diakineitai mia plhroforia peri dhlwsewn poy exei kanei o k. Miler kai alloi ajiwmatoyxoi twn HPA, gia to oti o k. Roympin den htan eparkws enhmerwmenos peri twn qesewn poy exoyn oi HPA, oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema. Kai eipe o k. Miler oti oi eyqynes barynoyn thn toyrkikh pleyra. Den milhse mono gia ton Ntenktas, milhse gia thn Toyrkia. Ayto, an etsi exoyn ta pragmata, qa prepei na epishmanqei. Pisteyoyme pws einai logos dikaios kai antikeimenikos o logos twn ajiwmatoyxwn poy apodidoyn eyqynes sthn Toyrkia gia th mh proodo twn syzhthsewn sthn Kypro kata thn prosfath episkech toy k. Xolmproyk. H dhlwsh toy k. Roympin, pisteyw oti hdh exei anaklhqei, meta tis dhlwseis twn allwn ajiwmatoyxwn ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs. Kata ta alla oi qeseis poy diatypwnoyme paramenoyn oi idies kai einai sto plaisio twn sxoliasmwn poy ekane kai o k. Klhridhs, meta tis epishmes dhmosies dhlwseis toy k. Xolmproyk. Gnwrizete oti o k. Klhridhs eceje ton k. Xolmproyk gia tis dhlwseis aytes kai sth synexeia eixame dhlwseis Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn poy apedidan eyqynes sthn Toyrkia, h opoia me th stash ths empodise thn ejelijh twn syzhthsewn sthn Kypro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete ayta poy leei o Toyrkos Ypoyrgos Amynas, o Sesgkin, oti einai proqesh ths Agkyras na diapragmateyqei me thn Ellada ellhnika kyriarxika dikaiwmata.

REPPAS: Den qa elega oti einai proqesh ths Toyrkias, einai apaithsh ths Toyrkias. Einai h politikh thn opoia akoloyqei systhmatika h Toyrkia, idiaitera thn teleytaia periodo. H politikh ayth einai gnwsth kai antimetwpizetai apotelesmatika kai apofasistika apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. H ejwterikh politikh ths xwras mas einai safws prosdiorismenh. H prospaqeia mas gia mia bhma pros bhma proseggish me thn Toyrkia exei sygkekrimeno periexomeno. Perilambanei protaseis, idees kai qeseis, oi opoies qa prepei na ajiopoihqoyn kai apo thn Toyrkia, poly perissotero poy yposthrizontai kai apo ton dieqnh paragonta, idiaitera thn E.E.. Lypoymeqa, giati h Toyrkia den exei antapokriqei se ayth thn protash mexri twra. Dikh ths einai h eyqynh gia to oti oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis paramenoyn se ayto to cyxro klima. Pisteyoyme, oti h Toyrkia qa allajei politikh, giati ayto epiballei -peran olwn twn allwn- kai to diko ths symferon.

LAKOPOYLOS : Se allo qema. Kat' arxhn, mhpws mporeite na mas peite ti syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Arxiepiskopo;

REPPAS : O Prwqypoyrgos me ton Arxiepiskopo, sthn prwth synanthsh toys, antallajan genikes apoceis gia ta diafora qemata kai prosdiorisan to plaisio entos toy opoioy ejelissetai h synergasia metajy ths Kybernhshs kai ths hgesias ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados.

SOYRMELIDHS : Poio einai ayto;

REPPAS : Oti o kaqenas, opws exw pei kat' epanalhch , exei sygkekrimena kaqhkonta kai roloys. Yparxei o Ypoyrgos Paideias o opoios einai armodios gia ta qemata twn qrhskeymatwn. Aytos qa apotelei to syndesmo ths Kybernhshs me thn hgesia ths Ellhnikhs Orqodojhs Ekklhsias. H Kybernhsh, opws mexri twra etsi kai sto mellon, qa synexisei -epeidh ayto epiqymei kai epidiwkei- na exei mia aristh synergasia me toys foreis ths Ekklhsias, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata ths Ekklhsias me ton kalytero tropo.

KIAOS : Symfwnhse o k. Xristodoylos;

REPPAS : Exoyn kanei dhlwseis oi dyo andres meta th synanthsh toys. Den epitrepetai egw na pw perissotera gia to periexomeno ths syzhthshs, doqentos oti den hmoyn parwn. Kanw ena geniko sxoliasmo. Oi dhlwseis tis opoies exoyn kanei einai safeis kai mporeite na bgalete ta symperasmata sas.

LAKOPOYLOS : Epeidh o profylakismenos Dhmarxos Peiraiws k. Logoqeths se dhlwseis toy omilei gia eyqynes sygkekrimenoy Ypoyrgoy gia thn profylakish toy, xwris na ton katonomazei, qelw na sas rwthsw, logw kai toy idiazontos ths ypoqesews, ean thn Kybernhsh thn exei apasxolhsei ayto to qema.

REPPAS : H prwtoboylia poy analhfqhke apo eisaggeliko leitoyrgo den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me th qesh ths Kybernhshs, oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema, doqentos oti h qesh ths Kybernhshs einai pagia- kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ayth th qesh sthrizei h Kybernhsh- na mhn epembainei sth Dikaiosynh kai sta osa exoyn sxesh me armodiothtes dikastikwn organwn. Ayto to opoio h Kybernhsh epiqymei -to eipa kai to epanalambanw- einai to syntomotero dynato na lamcei h alhqeia. Epiqymoyme to syntomotero dynato o armodios Eisaggeleas na diatypwsei thn protash toy, na synelqei to Symboylio Plhmmeleiodikwn kai na labei thn telikh apofash gia to pws qa antimetwpisqei o k. Logoqeths. Emeis epiqymoyme na lamcei h alhqeia. Ayto einai ekeino to opoio qeloyme kai to leme kai dhmosiws.

XASAPOPOYLOS : Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn ypochfiothta toy k. Abramopoyloy sto Dhmo Aqhnaiwn.

REPPAS : O k. Abramopoylos einai Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn. Anakoinwse oti qa einai gia mia oloklhrh tetraetia Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn, efoson eklegei me thn chfo toy aqhnaikoy laoy. Ayto, bebaiws, einai poly prowro na to pei kapoios, doqentos oti oi ekloges einai akomh makria kai ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn oydeis ta gnwrizei. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi epomenes ekloges mporei na epifylajoyn dysarestes ekplhjeis ston k. Abramopoylo, eyxaristes ston aqhnaiko lao, efoson einai dynaton na prokycei mia dhmotikh arxh h opoia qa mporesei pio apotelesmatika na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn shmera toys Aqhnaioys kai thn Aqhna.

KIAOS : Th dhlwsh sas ayth thn kanete ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos h ek meroys toy PASOK;

REPPAS : Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

KIAOS : Giati ayto einai faoyl...

REPPAS : Kaqoloy faoyl , ke Kiao. Exoyme pei kat' epanalhch oti epiqymoyme stis dhmotikes arxes na einai epikefalhs proodeytikoi syndyasmoi , oi opoioi mporoyn me to programma toys na antimetwpisoyn ta diafora problhmata sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs. To exoyme pei ayto, exoyme parei safh qesh kai den yparxei opoiadhpote -qa moy epitrecete na pw- problhmatikh katastash, logw toy oti epanalambanoyme ayth th qesh. Ola ayta ta opoia texnientws diadidontai h kapoioi prospaqoyn na ta paroysiasoyn ws stoixeia mias yperkommatikhs ypochfiothtas, den mas briskoyn symfwnoys, giati den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Kai prepei na eimaste eilikrineis, epiteloys, s' ayton ton topo.

KACAMPELHS : Dhladh, h Kybernhsh exei problhma sth synergasia ths me ton Dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn, mexri twra, kai gi' ayto eyxetai na dexqei dysarestes ekplhjeis, giati eipate oti ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kanate to sxolio;

REPPAS : Kyrie Kacampelh, eipa kai epanalambanw oti mporoyn oi proodeytikoi syndyasmoi me to programma toys na antimetwpisoyn kalytera ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn Aqhna kai toys Aqhnaioys. Aytomatws, ayto shmainei pws xwris na exoyme kapoio problhma synergasias, pisteyoyme oti h Aqhna kai oi Aqhnaioi mporoyn na exoyn mia poly pio apotelesmatikh dhmotikh arxh.

MIXAHL: Efoson lete oti den yparxei kanena problhma synergasias me ton k. Abramopoylo, alla, par' ola ayta pisteyete oti enas proodeytikos syndyasmos qa einai ekeinos, o opoios qa dwsei lysh sta problhmata ths Aqhnas, na symperanw oti h yposxesh poy eixe labei peri 40 dis draxmwn qa doqei s' ayton ton proodeytiko syndyasmo;

REPPAS: Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo, k. Mixahl; Kalh synergasia exeis kai me foreis me toys opoioys den briskesai se apolyth symfwnia. Yparxoyn Nomarxes, oi opoioi -gnwrizete oti- exoyn mia allh politikh h kommatikh taytothta. Ayto den empodizei na exei h Kybernhsh h Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs kalh synergasia mazi toys. Opws, epishs, kai se diaforoys alloys foreis, koinwnikoys foreis. Exoyn eklegei hgesies, oi opoies exoyn yposthrixqei apo politikes dynameis, ayth einai h pragmatikothta, oi opoies einai peran twn politikwn dynamewn poy sthrizoyn ayth thn Kybernhsh. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti den yparxei synergasia mazi toys. Oyte h kalh synergasia me toys foreis aytoys shmainei oti h Kybernhsh den exei mia -kata thn apoch ths- kalyterh epilogh gia tis hgesies aytwn twn forewn h aytwn twn topikwn kai perifereiakwn arxwn. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

MOYRTZHS: Ypoqetw pws otan anaferete oti h ka Damanakh hgeitai enos proodeytikoy syndyasmoy, se antidiastolh apokaleite to syndyasmo toy k. Dhmarxoy synthrhtiko. Dhladh, qelw na rwthsw, epanerxeste sto gnwsto synqhma peri toy "skotoys kai toy fwtos", to "Koytsogiwrgio synqhma";

REPPAS: Eipate para polla gia ta opoia egw den eipa tipote. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw einai oti xreiazontai proodeytika programmata, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys topikoys plhqysmoys. To idio xreiazetai kai gia thn periptwsh ths Aqhnas. Den ekana opoiodhpote allo sxolio. Eseis to phgate para poly makria to qema. Egw qelw na eimai poly pio sygkekrimenos kai poly pio ypeyqynos. Gi ayto den qa kanw yperboles, prokeimenoy na dhlwsw th qesh mas, poy einai: Stis ekloges Ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs na anadeixqoyn proodeytikoi syndyasmoi poy mesa apo to programma toys qa exoyn th dynatothta na antimetwpizoyn me kalytero tropo ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys topikoys plhqysmoys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Se synexeia toy synadelfoy einai h erwthsh. Pragmatika, endexomenws na eipe polla opws lete, alla na mas peite eseis jekaqara: Ti einai ayto to stoixeio poy sas kanei na jexwrizete toys syndyasmoys se proodeytikoys kai mh; Efoson miloyme thn ellhnikh glwssa, kata antidiastolh den einai proodeytikos o Abramopoylos;

REPPAS: Oi paratajeis h oi syndyasmoi xarakthrizontai apo to programma toys, apo tis qeseis toys kai apo ton tropo me ton opoio exoyn prohgoymenws efarmosei to programma toys. Pisteyoyme, loipon, pws h Aqhna exei anagkh -makari ayto na symbei enocei twn eklogwn se oloys toys Dhmoys ths xwras- apo mia proodeytikh dhmotikh arxh.

LAKOPOYLOS: Mia aplh dieykrinish; H apanthsh poy dwsate sthn erwthsh poy aforoyse ton k. Abramopoylo isxyei kai sthn periptwsh toy k. Mpeh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi ayta ta qemata. O ellhnikos laos kai o aqhnaikos, en prokeimenw, qa exei th telikh krish. Gnwrizw oti to programma, to opoio exei anakoinwsei h ka Damanakh, einai ena programma oysiastiko, plhres. Den gnwrizw kapoios allos, peran toy k. Aydh, na exei anakoinwsei programma, oson afora tis dhmotikes ekloges ths Aqhnas. An diatypwqoyn tetoioy eidoys programmata, qa mporeite na ta krinete ki eseis kai egw. Giati qa prepei me tampeles kai ek twn proterwn na prosdiorizoyme to periexomeno toy; Egw milw me bash ta programmata, ta opoia exoyn diatypwqei. Kai ta programmata poy exoyn diatypwqei dinoyn th dynatothta -epikaloymenos ayta ta programmata- na pw ayta ta opoia eipa prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, o syndyasmos toy k. Mpeh den einai proodeytikos;

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin s' ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den einai.........

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin s' ayto. Eseis poy eiste, loipon, proodeytikos qa chfisete mallon ton k. Mpeh, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti doyleia exw egw twra; Egw allo pragma rwthsa.

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin.

KACAMPELHS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, otan h ka Damanakh katachfizei nomosxedia ths Kybernhshs sth Boylh pairnei proodeytikes h mh proodeytikes apofaseis;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti syzhtoyme gia tis dhmotikes ekloges kai gia ta programmata twn ypochfiwn kai twn syndyasmwn. Den syzhtoyme gia thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Gnwrizw oti panta para polloi qeloyn na kanoyn ayth th sygxysh, gia diaforoys logoys qeloyn na diaplekoyn to ena me to allo. H qesh mas einai krystallinh qesh poy afora tis dhmotikes ekloges kai thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai h politikh mas den exei opoiodhpote allo stoxo para mono na bohqhsei thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai toys katoikoys se kaqe perioxh, se kaqe dhmo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn ta problhmata toys. Tipote allo.

Eyxaristw poly

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